Hockey Monkey!
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 19:19:43 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 19:19:43 GMT -5
And just so we're clear, lynching me won't "hurt" the town per se, but it won't help you advance your win condition. If I get lynched, there is no way for me to claim a win like team members of the town or scum do. Townies don't have to be concerned about being lynched because even if they are dead, they win if Town does. Same for scum. Not for me. And I'd really like to win once for a change.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 20:21:28 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Dec 14, 2010 20:21:28 GMT -5
I posted my PM yesterDay.
You are Temperance by nature, and a roleblocker by destiny.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 20:23:08 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Dec 14, 2010 20:23:08 GMT -5
<snip> A genuine error, or does Crazy know more about Story than the rest of us? When I read this yesterDay, I thought crazypunker was talking about testing my claim. Are you thinking he meant story?
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 20:27:22 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 14, 2010 20:27:22 GMT -5
<snip> A genuine error, or does Crazy know more about Story than the rest of us? When I read this yesterDay, I thought crazypunker was talking about testing my claim. Are you thinking he meant story? I think crazypunker has claimed that he was confused. He thought it was story who had claimed and not you.
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Dec 14, 2010 20:31:23 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 20:31:23 GMT -5
Yanno, I knew that people would get hung up on that nature/destiny thing and I could have changed the wording of my PM. I did think about it. But in the end I decided to post exactly what was sent to me. It's not a slip. If I had fabricated the whole thing I would have used the vanilla pm as a model, or even squink's. I posted all of the PM communications in an effort to be as upfront and transparent as possible.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 20:34:29 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Dec 14, 2010 20:34:29 GMT -5
<snip> I've got to agree that Blockey, and Bill bot seem quite likely Town at this point, for their late votes that put Mahaloth away. I still need to take another look at the discussion surrounding brewha's statement from early Yesterday. I already said that I suspect the major players in that were all Town, but I'm pretty sure that there were Scum in there trying to help stir the pot. Of course, late votes putting Mahaloth away could also be Scum bussing a buddy in order to get Town cred. I'm not saying that's what happened here (I need to go back through yesterDay and I'm not sure when I'm going to have a chance to do that, meatspace is really kicking my ass), but I'm not willing to give either of them a pass based solely on the criteria of a late vote on Scum. Are you two saying that you don't believe BillMc's claim? Suburban, you are saying BillMc looks townie because of his votes which seems to dismiss his claim. And SisterCoyote , you are saying you don't want to give him a pass just because of that vote, again seemingly dismissing the claim. We have a dead mason, two claimed masons and no counter claims so I don't see much reason to question their claims at this point.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 20:35:50 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Dec 14, 2010 20:35:50 GMT -5
When I read this yesterDay, I thought crazypunker was talking about testing my claim. Are you thinking he meant story? I think crazypunker has claimed that he was confused. He thought it was story who had claimed and not you. I see. All the confusion at the end of yesterDay is, well, confusing.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 20:54:25 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 14, 2010 20:54:25 GMT -5
Whew. Lot of info, relatively early in the Day. Hockey Monkey shouldn't be lynched yet, though she'll almost certainly have to die at some point before the game ends (sorry, HM - if you're being truthful I sympathize with your situation, but we have literally nothing but your word on which to base belief of you and are unlikely to get anything more than we have now). If the Scum get far enough ahead, they may eventually kill her for us, to eliminate any danger that she will steal their win. If we get far enough ahead, we will lynch her. At the moment, I am satisfied with doing nothing wrt hockey and assuming that if she is found to act in any way against the Town, we will lynch her immediately.
For toDay, CatinaSuit, Inner Stickler, and Mr. Ed are my primary suspects, for a variety of reasons. I will begin my own investigations with a closer reading of all three.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 22:10:48 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 14, 2010 22:10:48 GMT -5
Shoot! I posted this in the wrong place first. I'll post here too: I had confused the names before. I was reading story as squink for some reason. For the same reasons I voted her in Day 2 post #244 : Vote CometothedarksidewehavecookiesShe seems to be playing overly safe and I still haven't noticed much in the way of meaningful contribution. After learning about Mahaloth being scum I reread the previous days/nights. A couple of things caught my eye. I'm going to repeat my Day 1 vote and hope to have more success in getting mahaloth lynched. My original case is in post D1-113 but to summarize: - I believe it was an opportunistic vote in reactoin to crazypunker's vote on Pleo (who we now know made himself an easy lynch candidate for lazy scum) - He claimed to have simulposted with crazypunker when in fact he made his two-sentence vote post 13 minutes later - He seemed to know that Pleo wasn't vanilla scum - He accused Pleo of either being scum/3rd party OR vanilla Town (not much of an accusation) but voted anyway for making the claim - He voted Pleo for his unforced claim but then backtracked and stated ( more than once) that he'd reconsider the vote if Pleo explained why he'd made the claim After that mahaloth continued to ping my scumdar albeit to a lesser extent: - prodding non-participants without actually naming them - asking if scum can talk during the Day and if the rules said so! - Ignoring my request to share his opinion on Pleo's explanation, and ignoring Pleo's explanation itself, despite his insistence that his vote was a prod, until prodded- asking how many non-voters there are - claiming that the same thing happened again (leaving the PC whilst composing a post, posting it and then reading the thread noticing charr's vote on Rysto) His play since the vote on Charr hasn't stood out in any particular way but, between my initial reaction to his vote and his subsequent play, I'm comfortable to: Vote Mahaloth Guiri and Bill feel like town to me right now. Of course I could be wrong about either one, but they feel town. I'm quite familiar with the phrase "help out", and in any context other than Mafia that would have been the first (and probably only) interpretation to come to mind. But in this forum, the word "out" has a specific connotation, such that the first (and only) interpretation that came to mind when I read Mahaloth's post was the "bad" one. But I think the only thing that points out is the fact that I (along with many others) get so hung up in trying to catch others making slips that we fail to consider alternate explanations, even when those alternatives make a lot more sense. As I said earlier, my reaction to reading the post was "why the hell is Mahaloth saying he wants to out Town Power roles?!? that's suicide!" I figured there must be some other explanation, because nobody would make that big of a mistake, but it never occurred to me that my interpretation of the post was incorrect. Once it was pointed out that "help out" has a different meaning, it became perfectly clear in my mind what Mahaloth actually meant, and I'm no longer concerned about it. Of course, if he turns out to be Scum I'm going to feel like a complete idiot, but I'm used to that by now. I'm going to be accused of smudging again, but this post seemed a bit off to me. Suburban knew that there must be another explanation, but it never occurred that the interpretation might be incorrect? Then he finishes with " if he turns out to be scum..." It seems a little convenient for my liking. I don't really know how to feel about him. He seemed to post a lot of good stuff in Day 2, so I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'll keep an eye out for more.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 22:39:21 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 22:39:21 GMT -5
crazypunker and suburban plankton get a hairy eyeball from me right now for both saying that Bill "feels" like town. Bill is about as confirmed as it gets without being dead. Did scum forget to make a master claim list?
crazypunker seems to be laying groundwork for town cred rather than actually building a case against suburban plankton. Why vote for cookies over plankton? Neither reason seems particularly compelling, but perhaps punker isn't voting for plankton right now because they are both scum and he wants to wait to see which way the wind blows. He's worried about smudging and goes on to make the same sort of accusation that started the whole brewha thing. I think he's stirring the pot. Plankton may turn out to not be scum, but I think crazypunker is.
vote crazypunker[/b]
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 23:08:55 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 14, 2010 23:08:55 GMT -5
Apparently my playstyle these days allows for a nice spot to place loosely defined subjective votes based on terms like 'fluff' and 'meaningful'.
As much as I appreciate the perspective of our claimed 3rd party as to the insult of my town integrity, I will not be OMGUSing at this time, though I am tempted.
Since being attacked by my own scum-buddy Santo Rugger over the use of 'the scum investigator' vs 'a scum investigator' [[within a hypothetical that included a scum investigator, ergo usage of 'the' was (as I still firmly defend, even though I was a scum investigator) not a slip]], Plankton's post does continue to read like a pretzel of logic to me, but that does not speak to crazy's alignment for calling it out.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 5:37:48 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 15, 2010 5:37:48 GMT -5
crazypunker and suburban plankton get a hairy eyeball from me right now for both saying that Bill "feels" like town. Bill is about as confirmed as it gets without being dead. Did scum forget to make a master claim list? crazypunker seems to be laying groundwork for town cred rather than actually building a case against suburban plankton. Why vote for cookies over plankton? Neither reason seems particularly compelling, but perhaps punker isn't voting for plankton right now because they are both scum and he wants to wait to see which way the wind blows. He's worried about smudging and goes on to make the same sort of accusation that started the whole brewha thing. I think he's stirring the pot. Plankton may turn out to not be scum, but I think crazypunker is. vote crazypunker [/b] [/quote] I'm never going to say somebody is town unless I have a role that can prove it for certain. The best you are ever going to get from me in any game is that somebody feels like town. I didn't build a case against Suburban Plankton because I don't feel like there is a good case against him. I just wanted to put my thoughts out there so everyone can see. If people see something in my post that they haven't thought of they may go back and look harder and maybe somebody can put together a good case based on something I may have missed.
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Dec 15, 2010 5:44:46 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 15, 2010 5:44:46 GMT -5
Hockey Monkey shouldn't be lynched yet, though she'll almost certainly have to die at some point before the game ends (sorry, HM - if you're being truthful I sympathize with your situation, but we have literally nothing but your word on which to base belief of you and are unlikely to get anything more than we have now). If the Scum get far enough ahead, they may eventually kill her for us, to eliminate any danger that she will steal their win. If we get far enough ahead, we will lynch her. At the moment, I am satisfied with doing nothing wrt hockey and assuming that if she is found to act in any way against the Town, we will lynch her immediately. I agree with this for now. I tend to believe Hockey Monkey!'s claim and don't feel the need to lynch her right away. However if we have a Town Vig, I think that might be a great place to shoot.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 7:18:42 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 15, 2010 7:18:42 GMT -5
Vote Count
cometothedarksidewehavecookies (1): crazypunker [38]
crazypunker (1): hockey monkey [39]
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 8:04:43 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 15, 2010 8:04:43 GMT -5
Day One - excluding those who got just a single vote- pleonast(5):
crazypunker [103-207], mahaloth [104-236], metallicsquink [165], darksidecookies [169], brewha [213], peekercpa [216], rysto [238]
- rysto (4): hockey monkey [164], catinasuit [176], inner stickler [221], charr [230]
- mahaloth (3): guiri [113], mhaye [225], sistercoyote [240]
- mr ed (2): renata [200], texcat [224]
Out of those voting Pleo, we have a mason ( Peeker), and a third party, Rysto. Plus a claimed town blocker Squink. Out of those voting Rysto we have a claimed 3rd party ( Hockey) Guiri looks pro-town for his vote on Mahaloth while SisC's late vote could be viewed as being a safe vote after it was clear Pleo would be lynched. It is a reasonable assumption that at least one of the voters for Pleo or Rysto is scum. Lynched on 5 out of 26 votes is a pretty low number. Day Two - excluding those who got just a single vote- mahaloth (5): guiri [109], texcat [248], sistercoyote [266], mister blockey [300], billmc [301]
- hockey monkey (4): renata [160], total ullz [256],
billmc [264-301], mahaloth [270], crazypunker [276]
- storyteller (3): peekercpa [115], catinasuit [124], mr ed [242],
mahaloth [269-270]
- paranoia (2): naf1138 [23], suburban plankton [100],
metallicsquink [108-199]
- metallic squink (2):
total ullz [176-223], mr ed [188-242], brewha [194], rysto [286]
As I've said previously Blockey & Story looked non-scum. As did Hockey, who has since claimed 3rd party. I'm not convinced over this claim as it seems an unfair role to have - survive and while you are at it, find someone else and kill them. What if Rysto had died before you found him? Investigating the dead is not something anyone would normally think of, so would Hockey automatically have lost if Rysto died before she found him? Of course, late votes putting Mahaloth away could also be Scum bussing a buddy in order to get Town cred Since I was the one who swung the vote to Mahaloth that would imply that you don't believe that Peeker and I are masons? Plankton and CrazyPunker both appear to have some doubts about the validity of the mason claim. CAIS and IS'svotes on Rysto on Day 1 look suspect since no followup on Day 2 and no real explanation - so I'm still in agreement with Story on this - I'll try and not make a habit of it :-) Looking back at Day1 and the start of Mahaloth's downfall - the "cross post" - if we ignore the actual "cross post" then both CrazyPunker and Mahaloth's posts look fine - why did Mahaloth feel the need to say "cross post" -- did he accidently post this on the main board rather than the scum thread? Then there is the Day 2 vote. Mahaloth's vote on Hockey puts her in the lead, and then comes along CrazyPunker to pretty much seal her fate. His vote was "confused" -- reasoned that he should vote Hockey over Story as he didnt want to test Story's claim -- he mixed up Story with Squink. When the error was pointed out by Ed he said his vote still stood - despite it being flawed reasoning. Vote: CrazyPunker
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 8:22:52 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 15, 2010 8:22:52 GMT -5
Vote CometothedarksideUpon reread most of her posts toDay have been fluff and/or observations that contribute nothing to the game. Page 1 - two posts, neither significant. Page 2 - a post about whether a PFK would choose to not kill. Page 3 - a couple of fluff posts and some inside jokes. Page 4 - a post about not having time to post. Fair enough. Page 5 - a safe post asking Char and "the people who don't believe story" to explain themselves. Then a post about how she thinks somebody climbing naked on a limb ( story) is more likely to be town. Then she posts that she wasn't defending story. It really just seems like it. Page 6 - A post about Brewha asking if he had added something would it still feel like PIS. Then a vote for Catinasuit because she feels smudged. She feels like Catinasuit is trying to trap her. Page 7 - Nothing Page 8 - Nothing Now, it's pages 5 and 6 that caught my eye: The PIS post really added nothing. I don't like how it was posed as a question. It makes it too safe. It feels like the defense that's not really a defense is a way to seem like she is participating while causing as little friction as possible. Again, playing it safe. The vote against Catinasuit doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. She votes without setting up much of a case against Catinasuit. She feels smudged and and so she votes back. It's almost like an OMGUS, but not really. I am not a huge fan of the fluff. I also think it is safe for scum to post early in a day and disappear for the end. That way you aren't a lurker because you were there early, but you avoid any more controversy at the end of the day. I realize that she posted that she would not have a lot of time. The disappearing wouldn't be as suspicious if not for the lack of contribution and over playing-it-safe-edness of other posts. My vote against Catinasuit was because it seemed like a 'gotcha' case based on something quite subjective: alleged defense of another player. As I explained yesterday, my statements were intended as 'convince me this person is scum, because you're not convincing me' not 'this person is not scum, so you should stop attacking them'. The gotcha part comes in because no mater what happens with the player that I'm allegedly defending, if they die before me there is a pro-scum angle that can be found by continuing to refer to the alleged defense. They flip scum, it is spun as if I'm caught defending scum. They flip town, it is spun as if I'm caught defending a townie because I knew they weren't scum in the first place. But that was just a portion of your case, most of which seems to be that I'm not contributing enough and/or that what I am contributing is safe. I've been working a lot for the past couple of weeks, and you've already had it explained that people don't consider it likely that I would lie about such things, and you unvoted me yesterDay after that. Was there something that I did between now and that unvoting that has brought me back to the top of your list? If the meat of your argument against me is an absence of enough to form an opinion about, while Suburban has actually said something that could be seen as a suspicious but you don't consider the case against me as stronger, I'd counter that basing a case on something that is there might be better than basing a case on something that is missing. It is early and I've been busy. There will be more content from me.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 8:26:37 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 15, 2010 8:26:37 GMT -5
NETA: If the meat of your argument against me is an absence of enough to form an opinion about, while Suburban has actually said something that could be seen as a suspicious but you don't consider the case against me as stronger, I'd counter that basing a case on something that is there might be better than basing a case on something that is missing. It is early and I've been busy. There will be more content from me.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 10:03:45 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Dec 15, 2010 10:03:45 GMT -5
Oh grief - where to start - good to see Mahaloth lynched, and it looks like Rysto's death was not beneficial to the scum, so it's probably a good thing. ;D
To those wondering why my vote switched, its simple, storyteller appeared scummier on Day 2 than rysto and I stated why. However, given Mahaloth's side, I'm going back to review again. No, I hadn't forgotten about rysto, but then I did get dragged into an argument with Cookies.
Cookies, yes, I am interested in why you appeared to defend brewha, so I'm going note it down and try to follow it up. Yes, the same applies to SP and yes it is subjective. Of course, the one issue I would like to point out that your case depends on brewha also being dead before your reading of my intentions mean anything.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 10:29:56 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 15, 2010 10:29:56 GMT -5
Are you two saying that you don't believe BillMc's claim? Since I was the one who swung the vote to Mahaloth that would imply that you don't believe that Peeker and I are masons? Um. No, actually -- to both of you -- remember that part where meatspace is kicking my ass? I keep my notes in my head and I completely forgot that you, Bill, had claimed Mason. Also, NETA. A quick search shows that our masons never posted their PMs. And, I don't want to ask them to. I'm just wondering if a power role as the phrase "by nature" used twice. Something like Stonecutter by nature, Pro town Mason by nature. If there is any reason you don't wish to reply, no biggie. "If there is any reason..." Picture me over here with my eyebrows raised and my jaw on the floor. Aren't you lucky we have a claimed Town Power who did quote their PM? (OOG: Some of you will remember that last year at about this time I was diagnosed with a pituitary tumor and that I ended up having brain surgery in January of this year. Well -- this year I may have tumor(s) in my adrenal glands; I've been undergoing a whole bunch of tests over the past month or so to try and figure out what the hell's going on with me now. Including an MRI today. And even if the MRI doesn't turn anything up there's still something going on with my adrenals and we don't know what. Yet. So I am a little scatterbrained, and for that I apologize.)
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 10:40:41 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 15, 2010 10:40:41 GMT -5
So I am a little scatterbrained, and for that I apologize.) I hope things turn out well for you.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 10:55:23 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Dec 15, 2010 10:55:23 GMT -5
So I am a little scatterbrained, and for that I apologize.) OOG: All the best Note to all, please stop posting in the Day 2 thread. Please.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 11:05:12 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 15, 2010 11:05:12 GMT -5
Note to all, please stop posting in the Day 2 thread. Please. Hmm, sorry... I can't believe I'm getting lynched for practically nothing and when I'm not here to defend myself. I can't mount a defense in the time I have or on the equipment at hand. Have you defended yourself against the votes you received yesterDay? I was curious and went back to review your posts relevant to brewha's statement. With metallic claiming roleblocker and you claiming 3rd party, I can see why both of you questioned his statement - however your interactions seem more in line with a killing 3rd party - especially since, according to your claim, you'd already found rysto. Only one death? That's good - I think. So, can we assume that there's no vigs/SKs? Or did our protection roles do what they needed to do? I don't think we can assume that we have no vig or SK since we don't even know if MHaye was killed by scum, unless you know something that I don't. Indeed, Brewha, what leads you to the conclusion that scum made the kill last night? I think this post is quite informative. We have brewha asking his question, our claimed roleblocker - who may have felt responsible for the single death - picking up on potential PIS and then our claimed "competitive third party survivor" - whose existence was in question - sticking her nose in. Shortly after she says: Three nights in a row with only one kill, and I'll concede there is probably only one killing faction, though in a game with this many people there are usually provisions for multiple deaths to occur so we aren't still playing come Spring. I would still have to wonder if there weren't a non-compulsory vig in play or some other role(s) with a one shot killing ability. Here she mentions a "one shot killing ability". Someone wanted clarification of why people were even discussing it and I laid out my thoughts. Scum could have killed AND a third party could have been blocked. I don't see how you could not acknowledge that you made a faulty assumption. Now it's a third party who could have been blocked (by mahaloth or metallic?) My PM in it’s entirety – typos and all: Destrot, eradicate, vanquish? In Evil Dead I was a survivor with a PFK win condition (be in posession of the book and one of the last 4 alive): @ Hockey, why didn't you attempt to make a better case against Rysto on Day 2 seeing how close he was to being lynched on Day 1? Instead you just posted this: At this point there are a few people who haven't posted much - myself included, so I am loathe to single out one person to vote for on the lurker principle. I am going to be out of town this weekend and will miss the end of the Day. I want to have a vote on record in case I can't get back to the board. I have gotten scummy vibes from 2 different people and won't mind voting for either. charr for the no reason vote at the end of yesterDay with a lame explanation of it toDay, and Rysto came across as very defensive about the votes he received yesterday, especially since they were "Day One don't really have much to go on" votes. I think I'm going to let my vote from yesterDay ride for a little while. I don't see you making much of an attempt to get him lynched and the fact that he just happened to turn up dead the following Day makes me doubt your claim. Did you kill him? @ Metallic, can you tell us who you blocked last Night? @ sister, good luck, I hope it all turns out fine.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 11:15:54 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 15, 2010 11:15:54 GMT -5
<snip> I've got to agree that Blockey, and Bill bot seem quite likely Town at this point, for their late votes that put Mahaloth away. I still need to take another look at the discussion surrounding brewha's statement from early Yesterday. I already said that I suspect the major players in that were all Town, but I'm pretty sure that there were Scum in there trying to help stir the pot. Of course, late votes putting Mahaloth away could also be Scum bussing a buddy in order to get Town cred. I'm not saying that's what happened here (I need to go back through yesterDay and I'm not sure when I'm going to have a chance to do that, meatspace is really kicking my ass), but I'm not willing to give either of them a pass based solely on the criteria of a late vote on Scum. Are you two saying that you don't believe BillMc's claim? Suburban, you are saying BillMc looks townie because of his votes which seems to dismiss his claim. And SisterCoyote , you are saying you don't want to give him a pass just because of that vote, again seemingly dismissing the claim. We have a dead mason, two claimed masons and no counter claims so I don't see much reason to question their claims at this point. I had forgotten at the time I posted that, that Bill had claimed Mason. So no, I was not intentionally dismissing his claim. I see no reason to doubt that Bill and peeker are Masons. My participation here has been a bit spotty over the past few days and is likely to continue in the same manner for a few days more as I'm dealing with a family member in the hospital. I've been finding enough time to stay caught up reading the thread, but having an opportunity to post has been a bit more challenging, and I've had no time to go back and reread Days 1 and 2 as I hoped to be able to do.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 11:43:13 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 15, 2010 11:43:13 GMT -5
Note to all, please stop posting in the Day 2 thread. Please. Hmm, sorry... Have you defended yourself against the votes you received yesterDay? I was curious and went back to review your posts relevant to brewha's statement. With metallic claiming roleblocker and you claiming 3rd party, I can see why both of you questioned his statement - however your interactions seem more in line with a killing 3rd party - especially since, according to your claim, you'd already found rysto. I don't think we can assume that we have no vig or SK since we don't even know if MHaye was killed by scum, unless you know something that I don't. Indeed, Brewha, what leads you to the conclusion that scum made the kill last night?[/quote] I think this post is quite informative. We have brewha asking his question, our claimed roleblocker - who may have felt responsible for the single death - picking up on potential PIS and then our claimed "competitive third party survivor" - whose existence was in question - sticking her nose in. Shortly after she says: Here she mentions a "one shot killing ability". Now it's a third party who could have been blocked (by mahaloth or metallic?) [/quote] Destrot, eradicate, vanquish? In Evil Dead I was a survivor with a PFK win condition (be in posession of the book and one of the last 4 alive): @ Hockey, why didn't you attempt to make a better case against Rysto on Day 2 seeing how close he was to being lynched on Day 1? Instead you just posted this: At this point there are a few people who haven't posted much - myself included, so I am loathe to single out one person to vote for on the lurker principle. I am going to be out of town this weekend and will miss the end of the Day. I want to have a vote on record in case I can't get back to the board. I have gotten scummy vibes from 2 different people and won't mind voting for either. charr for the no reason vote at the end of yesterDay with a lame explanation of it toDay, and Rysto came across as very defensive about the votes he received yesterday, especially since they were "Day One don't really have much to go on" votes. I think I'm going to let my vote from yesterDay ride for a little while. I don't see you making much of an attempt to get him lynched and the fact that he just happened to turn up dead the following Day makes me doubt your claim. Did you kill him? @ Metallic, can you tell us who you blocked last Night? @ sister, good luck, I hope it all turns out fine.[/quote] I didn't make a better case against Rysto because I didn't want to tip my hand to him that he had been found by me. Really, there was nothing to base my vote on other than that and making an absurd case would do nothing but paint me as scum. Since I'm not, and need to stay alive, I didn't want him to figure it out and start making a case against ME. Rysto is much better at this game than I and if I were to make an inane case against him, he damn well would have gotten me lynched for it. I did not kill him though. I have no ability to do that. I posted all of my PM's to illustrate that I did ask that question and received the answer that the only effect my guess would have is that I would know I had guessed right. The defense of the votes I got yesterDay is me claiming toDay. Your PFK win condition in another game bears no relevance to my role or win condition in this game. I'm not PFK. I do not steal a win for myself alone. I can only claim victory beside the winning team if I am alive. To BillMC: Yes this role seems extremely unfair to me. Any survivor role does, but the added condition of this one is extreme. I got really lucky. Really really lucky with my first guess. Had he died before I "investigated" him, I'm not sure what would have happened. If his role had been posted like it was at his death, I would have picked up on it and asked the Oracle. I don't know if buff would have revealed as much had I not already known. And I doubt she would tell me now which way she would have gone either.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 11:49:13 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 15, 2010 11:49:13 GMT -5
well that big quote got borked. Everything above "I didn't make a better case" is quoting what guiri posted.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 12:35:50 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 15, 2010 12:35:50 GMT -5
Also, NETA. A quick search shows that our masons never posted their PMs. And, I don't want to ask them to. I'm just wondering if a power role as the phrase "by nature" used twice. Something like Stonecutter by nature, Pro town Mason by nature. If there is any reason you don't wish to reply, no biggie. "If there is any reason..." Picture me over here with my eyebrows raised and my jaw on the floor. Aren't you lucky we have a claimed Town Power who did quote their PM? I'm not sure what you're so shocked about. I was just wondering if a power role has the whole nature/destiny thing like the vanilla PM or if it has the nature/nature thing like Hockey Monkey's claim. I'm not fishing for other Masons if that is what you're implying. And if answering my question reveals something that shouldn't be revealed, I would hope that i get no answer. That is why I added teh "if there is any reason" line. OOG I wish you the best of luck on your tests. I hope you get good news.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 12:45:36 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 15, 2010 12:45:36 GMT -5
So...it didn't occur to you that Town power roles probably don't want to out themselves and that therefore the end result of your query would be a deafening silence? Really?
To all: Thanks for the well-wishes.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 12:59:26 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 15, 2010 12:59:26 GMT -5
To all: Thanks for the well-wishes. (Add me to the list of those who wish you well.)
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 13:02:44 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 15, 2010 13:02:44 GMT -5
When I said "our masons" I meant the two that have already outed themselves. That's all. Everyone already knows taht Peeker and BillMc are Masons, but they didn't post their role PMs. I was just asking if they could corroborate HM's nature/nature thing or if they had nature/destiny. Of course I'm not asking hidden power roles to out themselves.
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Day 3
Dec 15, 2010 13:07:48 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 15, 2010 13:07:48 GMT -5
So...it didn't occur to you that Town power roles probably don't want to out themselves and that therefore the end result of your query would be a deafening silence? Really? I'm still not understanding your point here. Our Masons have already 'outed themselves'. brewha is asking if the structure of their PMs match what Hockey Monkey posted. I don't see how that's an unreasonable question. The Masons wouldn't be revealing anything more than they already have...and if it turns out that HM is the only person to have "you are [identity] by nature, and [role] by nature" in their PM, then that would shed doubt on her claim. Now, if the Masons have a reason why they don't want to reveal this information, I'm not going to push them on it...but I don't think the question by brewha was out of line.
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