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Post by texcat on Dec 21, 2010 13:10:59 GMT -5
I want to go back for a re-read on Inner, but a few comments in the meantime.
I agree that if crazypunker was suspicious yesterDay, he's still suspicious toDay. We've pretty much confirmed that he was truthful about his role, but we know nothing about his alignment.
I am inclined to believe Hockey Monkey's claim for the moment, and think she does not appear particular dangerous to town, and see no urgency to lynch her.
Total, weren't you just playing in Evil Dead 2? Mrs. McG had a role that allowed her to set a trap. Odd that you would claim never to have seen a role like that before.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 21, 2010 13:37:37 GMT -5
Total, weren't you just playing in Evil Dead 2? Mrs. McG had a role that allowed her to set a trap. Odd that you would claim never to have seen a role like that before. I went back and checked. You're right. It was such a complex game with so many weird powers and I didn't pay attention as I should have in that game. But you're right. There was a trap in that game.
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Post by brewha on Dec 21, 2010 16:46:03 GMT -5
I was happy to see Crazypunker hang Yesterday, and I don't see as anything's really changed. I was hoping more would be revealed during the lynch attempt, but regardless, I think we need to see this through.
Vote Crazypunker
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Post by Paranoia on Dec 21, 2010 17:46:22 GMT -5
I think lynching Crazypunker may end up being a waste of a lynch - NAF was none too broken about him potentially lynched two days in a row, and from a meta point of view I have a hard time believing any mod'd give a Scum Team member a lynch/NK 1 shot immunity. Punker is at best, from my estimation, a PFK - and there are bigger fish to fry from my point of view.
Plus my primary fos (HI PLANKTON) was none too broken over that prospect either, and was quite happy for the wasted lynch that left us with no info from the day.
Inner Stickler has somehow professed knowledge of what killed NAF - I'm curious as to what they in particular mean by shooting being what did NAF - regarding how they explain that they may or may not be worth a vote.
And really, I still find Plankton attacking me full blast day 2 and then backing off me how he did day 3 really bad, and really suspicious. He was so bleeding sure day 2 that I was scum. Zero points for consistency. Same deal with NAF - and he died and flipped scum last night. I'm also going to Fos Charr based on how NAF was doing everything in his power to avoid attention coming his way. Maha's votes on him, imo, votes of opportunity. Charr was almost never in danger of dying when he voted him, and they sometimes provided him with an easy out. He also never really did much in the way of trying to get charr lynched. Factor in the fact that Charr has taken almost no stance one way or the other on anything said this game other than to pop up to defend himself and then disappear again, it's pretty likely He's scum.
So at the moment, I'm going to Vote: Suburban Plankton.
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Post by Paranoia on Dec 21, 2010 17:54:11 GMT -5
On a note - I also find the idea that whoever Killed NAF was a serial killer who was blocked the first few Nights dubious at best - considering Metalicsquink claimed to have blocked different people those three nights, we've zero reason to believe a serial killer would choose to not kill at all. That is all.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 21, 2010 18:22:18 GMT -5
Paranoia, I think you're overestimating my interest in you just a bit. Let's look back at my "full blast attack" on you... Day 2, Post 21. This is the first time I mention your name. ParanoiaI gotta ask, are you going to give us more than one post Today? It looked like you were heading toward a lynch Yesterday for non-participation until you rescued yourself with a long and detailed breakdown of Night 0. I hope you don't plan to wait until close to Dusk again before you give us your thoughts on Day 1. Skip forward to Post 100, just short of 24 hours later. This is the next time I mention your name. Thank you storyteller for the clarification. I no longer feel like the slow kid in the back of the class. Of course, it potentially opens up another can of worms. I do hope the conversation does not now turn into a game of "let's all guess everybody's posting restrictions!" And, having given it a day: vote paranoiaMaybe he just has a very odd posting style, but it's rubbing me the wrong way. So far we've gotten an in-depth review of Night 0, and that's it. No analysis of anything that's transpired in the last 9 days, no vote last Night, and nothing of substance Today. The town needs participation from all in order to succeed. If a person is not going to participate, then they are a liability, and we're better off being shed of them. Skip forward two more full days before I mention you again ( Post 198), when I discuss who I am suspicious of. I mention storyteller, Charr, and you. Later that afternoon, I sum up my vote for you as a 'lynch the lurker' vote, and mention that I wich I had a stronger case to make against someone. ( Post 236) And my last post of the Day, about 2 hours before Dusk, in which I go over the Day's leading candidates: I'm not seeing the case against Hockey Monkey. Yeah, she came down kind of hard on brewha (not Rysto), but that doesn't scream Scum to me. crazypunker, thanks for the smudge. You don't think it's enough to vote me for...that's pretty decent of you, since I didn't do anything different that you, and Rysto, and Mahaloth, and who knows who else has done. I'm still suspicious of story's 'claim', but I can't figure out why he would have come out with it in the first place if he wasn't Town. I'm OK with letting my vote stand on paranoia Today; he still seems to be trying to fly under the radar. I wasn't exactly losing sleep trying to put together a case against you. I felt like the content of your posts was intended "to make sure we all know you're here contributing" rather than "to catch Scum", and I said as much. I thought your posts were mostly devoid of content. In fact, I find your last couple posts in which you completely mischaracterize my 'pursuit' of you to be more suspicious than anything else you've actually posted.
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Post by bufftabby on Dec 21, 2010 18:37:13 GMT -5
Vote Count
inner stickler (4): mr ed [12], guiri [13], total ullz [15], crazypunker [18]
crazypunker (2): hockey monkey [27], brewha [32]
suburban plankton (1): paranoia [33]
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 21, 2010 19:56:58 GMT -5
Paranoia, I've played in a game with a scum scotsman, so you can mark that off your list of reasons not to lynch ]crazypunkerr.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 21, 2010 20:59:45 GMT -5
suffice it to say that i am skeptical that scum have/had a rb a gf and a scotsman. i mean i'll certainly listen but that is a whole pee pot of scum power.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 21, 2010 21:08:17 GMT -5
And I don't think we have a Vig. While the death of NAF is a boon to us, it is probably not the work of a Vig. A Pro-Town Vig would not likely be firing into a pool of total unknowns, at risk of hitting an investigator or doctor, when two much better, safer targets - Hockey Monkey and crazypunker - were available. Right now my lynch list, in rough order of preference, is: 1. crazypunker 2. Hockey Monkey (why are we leaving her alive again? If the death of NAF was not the work of a Vig, then it was the work of a third party. Hockey Monkey is a claimed third party. Is there any reason to believe that she may not be the killer)? 3. Stickler 4. Catinasuit <snipped> big problem with 1 as noted in my previous post. hey shoot if hm is knocking off scum i really have no complaints. the other two, meh. and if we do have a dick it's getting close to come out of the closet time depending on what in the world you have been doing. i still think you are scum. vote storyand if you are not, blame it on my paranoia and myopia.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 21, 2010 21:57:04 GMT -5
If crazypunker is a scum scotsman, he's now deflowered and we didn't mislynch. If there are any killing charges left for whomever killed NAF, and they feel so compelled, they can potentially take care of crazy for us. Or he could be investigated and conserved as a partially confirmed vanilla Townie.
I'm willing to leave crazy alone for now.
Inner Stickler's day-opening posts did seem weird and potentially soaked in PIS (heh), but an innocently weird statement such as that would also provide a nice opportunity for scum to either drum up a case against him, encourage a case against him, or sit back and watch a case build against him.
The shooting comment referring to NAF is one thing, and it was an odd thing to say. But Mahaloth's original "Shoot!" was already weird to begin with. We are expecting Townies to die when we wake up in the Mornings around here, and we had the bad news that we lost Bill bundled up with a lovely present of the scum Godfather.
Ed, are you alluding to the possibility that a scum player is more likely to get confused as to what Day it is because they have to keep track of both Day and Night threads? And if so, do you really think it is that egregious of s slip to go after him after only a couple of posts and not much being said by anyone else?
Why skip over Mahaloth and start wagon-training on Inner? That's a question to everyone, not just Ed.
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Post by special on Dec 21, 2010 22:15:26 GMT -5
Ed, are you alluding to the possibility that a scum player is more likely to get confused as to what Day it is because they have to keep track of both Day and Night threads? And if so, do you really think it is that egregious of s slip to go after him after only a couple of posts and not much being said by anyone else? No, I'm contending that: 1. Inner made a claim that he had found NAF suspicious. 2. I questioned him to support that claim. 3. He countered with a comment he made after NAF was revealed. After thinking about it, I consider it likely that he was just trying to be funny. If not, maybe he did actually search his own posts for evidence and came back with his comment that he had made toDay. In any case, that's just a minor point. I'm not even considering the 'shooting is what NAF did' PIS. My suspicion comes from his comment that he was suspicious of NAF while not making any comments about that during the previous 3 Days. Also, in looking over his posts, he really hasn't made too much noise. He voted for Rysto on Day 1 later for his defense of pleonast. There was no vote on Day 2. Not much contribution on day 3 other than to vote crazypunker with this comment, " I will join the group wishing to test crazypunker's scotsman ability." It's not the most solid case, and I'm still suspicious of storyteller, but I think his claim that he found NAF suspicious was just something a Scum might say to be saying something without actually saying anything. I also think his relative dearth of participation is because it is often more difficult to play as Scum and create cases you can get yourself motivated to defend.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 21, 2010 22:53:01 GMT -5
If crazypunker is a scum scotsman, he's now deflowered and we didn't mislynch. If there are any killing charges left for whomever killed NAF, and they feel so compelled, they can potentially take care of crazy for us. Or he could be investigated and conserved as a partially confirmed vanilla Townie. I'm willing to leave crazy alone for now. I don't understand you people. Why lynch me in the first place if you are just going to leave me alone the next Day? What in the world do you think you accomplished? To me that's just a wasted day. You don't get nearly as much information from a lynch that doesn't result in a death. ...I do think that the people who are citing 'test his claim' as their sole reason for voting for crazy are doing the Town a disservice and if he ever dies and flips as Town, they will be getting hairy eyeballs from me. Does this seem like a weird post to anyone else? If I ever die?
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Post by special on Dec 21, 2010 23:13:08 GMT -5
If crazypunker is a scum scotsman, he's now deflowered and we didn't mislynch. If there are any killing charges left for whomever killed NAF, and they feel so compelled, they can potentially take care of crazy for us. Or he could be investigated and conserved as a partially confirmed vanilla Townie. I'm willing to leave crazy alone for now. I don't understand you people. Why lynch me in the first place if you are just going to leave me alone the next Day? What in the world do you think you accomplished? To me that's just a wasted day. You don't get nearly as much information from a lynch that doesn't result in a death. ...I do think that the people who are citing 'test his claim' as their sole reason for voting for crazy are doing the Town a disservice and if he ever dies and flips as Town, they will be getting hairy eyeballs from me. Does this seem like a weird post to anyone else? If I ever die? nope. It's remotely possible that you may live until EndGame. Why are you suddenly advocating your own lynch?
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Post by texcat on Dec 21, 2010 23:37:11 GMT -5
We have (mostly) confirmed crazypunker's role, although nothing else. I voted crazypunker before the claim, and I hate moving my vote because of claims. If I thought you were suspicious before the claim, why would I believe you when you claim scotsman, doc, cop whatever? But now I am believing at least, crazypunker's role claim. The alignment is totally still up in the air. I never thought I'd say it, but I tend to agree with peeker that we already know that the scum had a roleblocker and a godfather. How many roles do we expect them to have? A scotsman is definitely possible, but it moves crazypunker down on my list. Re-reading, I was struck by Inner's first post of the day, Well. That is really interesting. A vig? A serial killer? A redirect or weird sort of protection? At any rate, if a detective has some usable investigations, now might be a good time to claim as you could semi confirm some players. I trust dectectives to claim in their own time. I don't like it that Inner is encouraging them to claim. As a side note, I noticed on my re-read, that NAF encouraged the masons to claim after the death of sachertorte, although I didn't see any pressing reason for them to claim. Inner's encouragement so early in the day smells to me like something that was discussed overnight on the scum boards. No proof, just a smell. I would really like to see Inner's explanation of the shooting remark. It's odd that it was in response to dead-scum Mahaloth. Could Inner have been confused which board he was posting on? Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 22, 2010 5:51:53 GMT -5
I don't understand you people. Why lynch me in the first place if you are just going to leave me alone the next Day? What in the world do you think you accomplished? To me that's just a wasted day. You don't get nearly as much information from a lynch that doesn't result in a death. Does this seem like a weird post to anyone else? If I ever die? nope. It's remotely possible that you may live until EndGame. Why are you suddenly advocating your own lynch? I'm not advocating my own lynch. I just don't understand why you would lynch me in the first place. If you aren't voting me today then you don't think I am the most scummy. If you don't think I am the most scummy then why vote me yesterday? (I'm using you in a general sense, not you specifically.)
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Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 22, 2010 5:54:22 GMT -5
Was I voted just to test my claim?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 22, 2010 6:00:59 GMT -5
Crazy:
It is hard to build a case against people early in the game. As I tried to explain at the close of yesterDay, it was not a foregone conclusion that you'd be lynched today, because new information could come to light. New information such as a dead Godfather, and people posting oddly after the Dawn reveal. This game changes quite quickly. It is possible that you are no longer seen as the most scummy player by some people, perhaps enough people to keep you from being lynched.
Do you not see that by trying to lynch you, we didn't mislynch a townie? We quite possibly would have done just that if we hadn't voted to try to lynch you.
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Post by metallicsquink on Dec 22, 2010 8:36:03 GMT -5
<snip> Why skip over Mahaloth and start wagon-training on Inner? That's a question to everyone, not just Ed. Mahaloth?
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 22, 2010 10:13:59 GMT -5
Ok catching up again. In that post, I asked Cat and Stickler a question, which follows: Each of you voted for Rysto yesterday, Stickler in particular at a sensitive time when it was entirely possible your votes might send him to the gallows; they were not throwaway votes. Neither of you has voted for him today [ie, Day Two]. What has changed?I thought I had answered this here. To those wondering why my vote switched, its simple, storyteller appeared scummier on Day 2 than rysto and I stated why. However, given Mahaloth's side, I'm going back to review again. No, I hadn't forgotten about rysto, but then I did get dragged into an argument with Cookies. Having thought about it, I'm not sure what to make of storyteller. Does he have a vote restriction, I don't know and I'm loathe to completely assume it. I still don't like the way the end of Day 2 voting went with Mahaloth though as to me it looks as though it tries to save both Mahaloth and storyteller from a lynch (even though it didn't) Looking at the reasoning for the crazypunker lynch, I can see that nothing has changed as to why he should not be lynched today. I agree with these reasons around the EOD2 lynch with his vote for Hockey Monkey. It also adds more to any saving of Mahaloth and storyteller or possibly just getting Mahaloth out of trouble. Looking through the details against Inner Stickler from this morning's reveal (Yay for dead NAF, boo for Dead BillMc), it does look like someone trying to show they were suspicious of someone which wasn't been mentioned before. the call out for a detective to possibly reveal is also slightly worrying as well. While I would like to see storyteller lynched, I'm not going ignore good cases which also make sense. I'm going to vote crazypunker, because I think his vote actions towards the end of Day 2 are likely scummy, as it certainly pushed a known scum further down the lynch list at EOD. cross posted from Day 3.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 22, 2010 10:23:54 GMT -5
If crazypunker is a scum scotsman, he's now deflowered and we didn't mislynch. If there are any killing charges left for whomever killed NAF, and they feel so compelled, they can potentially take care of crazy for us. Or he could be investigated and conserved as a partially confirmed vanilla Townie. I'm willing to leave crazy alone for now. Inner Stickler's day-opening posts did seem weird and potentially soaked in PIS (heh), but an innocently weird statement such as that would also provide a nice opportunity for scum to either drum up a case against him, encourage a case against him, or sit back and watch a case build against him. The shooting comment referring to NAF is one thing, and it was an odd thing to say. But Mahaloth's original "Shoot!" was already weird to begin with. We are expecting Townies to die when we wake up in the Mornings around here, and we had the bad news that we lost Bill bundled up with a lovely present of the scum Godfather. Ed, are you alluding to the possibility that a scum player is more likely to get confused as to what Day it is because they have to keep track of both Day and Night threads? And if so, do you really think it is that egregious of s slip to go after him after only a couple of posts and not much being said by anyone else? Why skip over Mahaloth and start wagon-training on Inner? That's a question to everyone, not just Ed. I believe because Mahaloth is already dead and we know he was scum.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 22, 2010 10:29:44 GMT -5
Also, I'm leaning toward switching my vote over to Inner Stickler. I keep reading the beginning of the day and I think Stickler posted his response to Mahaloth thinking he was on the scum board. That's what I make of it anyway. I need to mull on it some more before deciding. I think crazy is scum too. I've seen games where scum had multiple power roles. Basically, trying to second guess the mod is dumb. Vote based on actions, not what you think the mod has set up.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 22, 2010 12:30:05 GMT -5
I admit I'm at a bit of a loss right now figuring out who is 'most Scummy'. My top three at the moment are:
crazypunker I thought he was Scum yesterday. Nothing has changed to make me think he's not Scum today. I see peeker's point about the Scum having lots of power roles, but it looks like we're pretty flush with them in general. Of 7 deaths so far, only 1 has been vanilla.
Inner Stickler It's certainly not without precedent for someone to mistakenly post to the game board instead of the Scum board. If that's the case here, that would suggest that NAF was killed by some sort of 'retaliation' when performing last night's kill. That would provide an explanation for the 'extra' death, but it does seem a bit odd that the Godfather would perform the kill himself this early in the game...you'd think he would try to avoid doing do for exactly this sort of reason.
storyteller I still have a bad feeling about him. His argument makes logical sense, but the way he drew out his 'claim' didn't help the Town one bit. His posts Yesterday did start making a whole lot more sense than those before, as he seemed to decide he should start helping rather than distracting Town. But that really doesn't tell us what his alignment is.
We have an extra-long Day Today, which is good because I'm going to be spending the better part of the next 4 days involved in various Christmas-related activities. It may be the weekend before I'm able to come back with a reasoned vote.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 22, 2010 12:33:44 GMT -5
I have a question for storyteller:
You began the day Yesterday with CatinaSuit, Inner Stickler, and Mr. Ed as your "primary suspects". Today, your lynch list is crazypunker, Hockey Monkey, Stickler, Catinasuit
What happened to move Ed off of your list? Near the end of Day 2 you said "I will lean either Town or Scum on NAF and/or Mr. Ed depending on paranoia's eventual alignment." Since NAF has since been shown to be Scum, how does this affect your views on Ed and paranoia?
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 22, 2010 12:46:31 GMT -5
Also, I'm leaning toward switching my vote over to Inner Stickler. I keep reading the beginning of the day and I think Stickler posted his response to Mahaloth thinking he was on the scum board. That's what I make of it anyway. I need to mull on it some more before deciding. I think crazy is scum too. I've seen games where scum had multiple power roles. Basically, trying to second guess the mod is dumb. Vote based on actions, not what you think the mod has set up. ok, i certainly understand your pov but i guess i just come at it from a different angle. other than trying to catch scum part of the enjoyment i get from this game is trying to figure out the set up. because to some extent, at least for me, determining, or at least getting some wild ass guess, as to set up influences my choices of actions and trying to figure out why someone might be doing what they are doing. think how much easier this game would be if we knew the roles in play and how many of each. to each his own, i guess.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 22, 2010 12:54:28 GMT -5
Hey, can anyone tell me why we're trying to identify the Vig? Wouldn't that make it easier for scum to dispose of him/her? the full extent of her/his contribution thus far toDay. hmmmm.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 22, 2010 13:44:49 GMT -5
Ah, apologies. I didn't realize I'd gotten so used to parsing all non-purple text as from living players. So nevermind about my astute (ahem) observations about Mahaloth.
It also lends more weight to the mistaken scum cross-post angle.
I'm willing to vote Inner Stickler at this point. The least attractive part of the case against Stickler, IMHO is dinging him for the post-mortem comment that he had earlier suspicions about NAF but had never posted them. I think down that bath lie lots of false positives. Personally, I think things that I don't write down anywhere all the time, usually in the hunch area, and sometimes I honestly forget what was thought or posted in the game, or posted in journal entries or Mod conversations. The rest of the case is sufficient though.
Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 22, 2010 15:00:18 GMT -5
Also, I'm leaning toward switching my vote over to Inner Stickler. I keep reading the beginning of the day and I think Stickler posted his response to Mahaloth thinking he was on the scum board. That's what I make of it anyway. I need to mull on it some more before deciding. I think crazy is scum too. I've seen games where scum had multiple power roles. Basically, trying to second guess the mod is dumb. Vote based on actions, not what you think the mod has set up. ok, i certainly understand your pov but i guess i just come at it from a different angle. other than trying to catch scum part of the enjoyment i get from this game is trying to figure out the set up. because to some extent, at least for me, determining, or at least getting some wild ass guess, as to set up influences my choices of actions and trying to figure out why someone might be doing what they are doing. think how much easier this game would be if we knew the roles in play and how many of each. to each his own, i guess. I don't know about being easier, but open set-up games are fun too. I think it's been a very long time since we've (collective we including this board and SDMB) had an open game.
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Post by special on Dec 22, 2010 15:21:33 GMT -5
nd how many of each. to each his own, i guess. I don't know about being easier, but open set-up games are fun too. I think it's been a very long time since we've (collective we including this board and SDMB) had an open game.[/quote] Last year around Christmas/New Years, I ran Colorless on SDMB which was not only open, but Colorless as well.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 22, 2010 21:07:16 GMT -5
nd how many of each. to each his own, i guess. I don't know about being easier, but open set-up games are fun too. I think it's been a very long time since we've (collective we including this board and SDMB) had an open game. Last year around Christmas/New Years, I ran Colorless on SDMB which was not only open, but Colorless as well.[/quote] holy crud, you are right. you know what that means, don't you? we are one year fracking older. happy holidays to you suckers.
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