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Post by sinjin on Feb 4, 2011 22:22:57 GMT -5
can we vote for more than one person? If they both deserve it?
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Post by sinjin on Feb 4, 2011 22:23:56 GMT -5
*Note to self. Mo more wine or posting for sinjin, no matter what is going on at wokr. Even if it is Friday.*
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 5, 2011 0:23:12 GMT -5
Well dang if you wincon is to identify someone and you aren't saying it's non-exclusive vote you. I have already said that my wincon is not exclusive - see post #86
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Post by severe delays on Feb 5, 2011 9:24:42 GMT -5
Re: multiple lynches It is possible that there are mutually exclusive wincons and also possible that wincons are unconnected or reliant on other wincons. We're not going to know until we get information. It seems to me that the best way to get information is to have multiple lynches per Day. At this stage (unless you have one of those Humbug wincons) it is to our benefit to manage the voting so that we can have tied lynches. Therefore: Multiple lynches give us multiple info. I'm happy with that. zuma has stated that his wincon involves identifying a particular person. My wincon also involves identifying a number of people, so helping zuma will also help me. unvote archangel vote BillMc
I've chosen Bill because I don't think he's posted yet, so the only way to get any info is to lynch him.
Yes, that's reasonable. Until we work out if our wincons are contradictory then it's sensible to try to help one another. I'm going to unvote zumaBut I'm not sure about the wisdom of voting for Bill. By his absence he's not providing information but he's not hampering things either. This isn't a usual mafia game wherea lurker can provide valuable information if they get lynched. Or maybe it is. Gah! This is confusing. I'm not going to vote for Bill for lurking when there are other possibiities. Apart from anything else, it's not very kind to attack someone who might not even know the game has started. I think we should be trying to help one another at this stage. What if everyone withdrew their votes and we managed things so that each person has one vote? So I vote for archangel, archangel votes for sinjin, sinjin votes for...etc? That tactic falls down slightly when it comes to Bill if he doesn't turn up in time to vote but on the plus side we would gain the names of almost every player. Thoughts? Can we get a vote count, please?
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Post by zuma on Feb 5, 2011 9:58:40 GMT -5
I'm feeling impulsive, so, I'm looking for Rita.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 5, 2011 10:26:37 GMT -5
Vote Count:
Archangel (4) - Zuma #64, Sinjin #72, Renata #74, Kid V #82
BillMc (2) - guiri #106, Captain Klutz Zuma (1) - Archangel #79 Guiri (1) - bufftabby #54 Captain Klutz (1) - Septimus/Dr. Strangelove #81
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 5, 2011 10:27:24 GMT -5
can we vote for more than one person? If they both deserve it? No. I know the feeling of wanting to - but sadly only one vote
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 5, 2011 10:31:23 GMT -5
Yes, that's reasonable. Until we work out if our wincons are contradictory then it's sensible to try to help one another. I'm going to But I'm not sure about the wisdom of voting for Bill. By his absence he's not providing information but he's not hampering things either. This isn't a usual mafia game wherea lurker can provide valuable information if they get lynched. Or maybe it is. Gah! This is confusing. I'm not going to vote for Bill for lurking when there are other possibiities. Apart from anything else, it's not very kind to attack someone who might not even know the game has started. I think we should be trying to help one another at this stage. What if everyone withdrew their votes and we managed things so that each person has one vote? So I vote for archangel, archangel votes for sinjin, sinjin votes for...etc? That tactic falls down slightly when it comes to Bill if he doesn't turn up in time to vote but on the plus side we would gain the names of almost every player. Thoughts? Lynching Bill does give us information about Bill. Normally a lurker vote is not particularly useful, but this is not a normal game. As far as "trying to help one another", that is what I'm doing. I'm only aware of 2 wincons (mine and zuma's, and I only know part of zuma's), so I'm doing what I can to help both of us. If I knew other wincons I would happily help them, as long as it also helped me. And trying to engineer a multiple tie for the lynch probably won't work: it requires everyone's co-operation, and if we have that then we may as well just do a general name claim (lynching everyone would result in everyone's name being out in the open).
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 5, 2011 10:34:56 GMT -5
Vote Count:Archangel (5) - Zuma #64, Sinjin #72, Renata #74, Kid V #82 BillMc (2) - guiri #106, Captain Klutz Zuma (1) - Archangel #79 Guiri (1) - bufftabby #54 Captain Klutz (1) - Septimus/Dr. Strangelove #81 Should archangel only have 4 votes?
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 5, 2011 10:45:38 GMT -5
Whoops - my mistake. She went down to 4 when you unvoted #116.
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Post by guiri on Feb 5, 2011 11:45:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure where we go from here but I have realized that there may be some apparently non-exclusive wincons which automatically exclude other players from winning.
For example, let's say zuma finds Rita (and votes her or whatever he needs to do), he wins, right? What if someone else needs to vote zuma's character 3 different Days? They won't be able to as zuma has left the game. What happens if Rita is lynched 3 times or reaches her wincon before zuma manages to do whatever he was supposed to do?
The mod may well have predicted any sort of situation like this and taken efforts to ensure that no-one's reaching their wincon prevents others from reaching theirs but I'm a little hesitant to assume it is so...
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Post by bufftabby on Feb 5, 2011 11:47:33 GMT -5
And trying to engineer a multiple tie for the lynch probably won't work: it requires everyone's co-operation, and if we have that then we may as well just do a general name claim (lynching everyone would result in everyone's name being out in the open). I agree that it's unlikely we could successfully engineer an all-way tie, but I do like the idea of having as many ties as possible. Perhaps we could shoot for something more realistic, like a 3-way tie or something.
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Post by severe delays on Feb 5, 2011 11:53:42 GMT -5
guiri, Yes, I agree that our delightful mod is very sneaky and clever and will have thought about this carefully. But bear in mind that we only have this Day seven times over and there are 12 of us playing. The chances of anyone being lynched three times are slim. At most that can happen to only two players. I'm not saying that some of our wincons can stop others achieving their wincons but for that particular scenario it's unlikely. I also think that people who have to vote certain players or vote fast will become apparent fairly quickly.
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Post by zuma on Feb 5, 2011 11:54:48 GMT -5
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Post by severe delays on Feb 6, 2011 7:27:06 GMT -5
If you people won't post anything but music then let's have something great! I'm off to work. Hopefully someone will have posted something when I get back.
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Post by bufftabby on Feb 6, 2011 9:12:40 GMT -5
unvote guiri
vote Bill
Let's get some ties going, shall we? Knowledge is power and whatnot.
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Post by severe delays on Feb 6, 2011 9:24:25 GMT -5
Now that's more like it! OK, If I vote that will mean archangel has 4 and BillMc has 3? Can someone else vote for him so that we can get a double reveal? BillMcPossibly too much to think we will manage to co-ordinate enough to get a three-way reveal but then again, maybe we'll wake up and discover that we haven't actually played Day 1 yet and can have another go.
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Post by septimus on Feb 6, 2011 10:06:22 GMT -5
I see the logic of a double reveal. Unvote: Captain KlutzVote: BillMcBTW, what's our plan for toMorrow? ... err, I mean when toDay comes back again. Lynch toDay's two victims again, or find fresh prey? And fair warning: No one joined me on the Altruist bandwagon so (just as Bill Murray became a bank robber and womanizer as one Groundhog Day led to another), if my mood changes I may end up on the Dark Side myself.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 10:13:23 GMT -5
I'll be an altruist with you, septimus. I don't want you to feel bad. So what do you need?
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Post by septimus on Feb 6, 2011 10:38:19 GMT -5
I'll be an altruist with you, septimus. I don't want you to feel bad. So what do you need? Моля Ви донесе камшици и белезници. Аз ще докарам на лекарства и мазила.
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Post by bufftabby on Feb 6, 2011 12:18:10 GMT -5
I'll bring the cats.
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Post by severe delays on Feb 6, 2011 15:01:43 GMT -5
I see the logic of a double reveal. Unvote: Captain Klutz[colorVote: BillMc[/color][/b] BTW, what's our plan for toMorrow? ... err, I mean when toDay comes back again. Lynch toDay's two victims again, or find fresh prey? And fair warning: No one joined me on the Altruist bandwagon so (just as Bill Murray became a bank robber and womanizer as one Groundhog Day led to another), if my mood changes I may end up on the Dark Side myself. [/quote]I guess we wait to see what toMorrow brings but I think there's a lot of mileage in working co-operatively for the first couple of Days. Depending on the information we get and what we all think that means we can either go for further multiple lynchings or pursue our own aims. It might be that we want to reveal wincons rather than names. There's no reason for things to be restricted to a double-reveal only. There are currently eight of us voting in a co-operative manner. With a little planning then we could easily have a quadruple reveal today. There are two small problems with this: 1) It's the weekend and people who have voted already may not come back til the end of toDay. 2) Some wincons might mean that it is not sensible for a player to abandon one vote for another. Actually, I have just thought. If one more person unvotes archangel and votes for one of the other people carrying a vote then I shall unvote BillMc and vote for the same. That way we can get a triple reveal. Anybody willing?
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Post by guiri on Feb 6, 2011 15:35:20 GMT -5
A 3-way tie sounds good to me.
Unofficial Vote Count: Archangel (4): Zuma #64, Sinjin #72, Renata #74, Kid V #82
BillMc(4): guiri #106, Captain Klutz, Bufftabby #135, Septimus/Dr. Strangelove #137
Zuma(1): Archangel #79
Not voting: Dirx, BillMc, Severe Delays*
@ Severe Delays, your vote #136 on BillMc is most likely invalid so feel free to vote Zuma and then one of either Renata, KidV or Sinjin can follow.
@ Renata, what happened to "cooperation is for weenies"?
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Post by BillMc on Feb 6, 2011 17:43:20 GMT -5
Sorry, been one helluvaweek. I should have spent the weekend drinking but instead it was work work work.
I'm good with the concept of a multiway tie.
So
Vote: Zuma
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Post by zuma on Feb 6, 2011 18:30:40 GMT -5
Let's do 4!
unvote: archangel[/b] vote: guiri[/b]
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Post by zuma on Feb 6, 2011 18:31:05 GMT -5
More names revealed the better, I say.
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Post by guiri on Feb 6, 2011 18:37:33 GMT -5
With Bill around we could do 12 UnvoteVote ZumaThat should put the standings at: Archangel (3): Sinjin #72, Renata #74, Kid V #82 BillMc(3): Captain Klutz, Bufftabby #135, Septimus/Dr. Strangelove #137 Zuma(3): Archangel #79, BillMc #143, Guiri #146 Guiri(1): Zuma #144 Could we have an official vote count please
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Post by sinjin on Feb 6, 2011 19:21:30 GMT -5
I'll be an altruist with you, septimus. I don't want you to feel bad. So what do you need? Моля Ви донесе камшици и белезници. Аз ще докарам на лекарства и мазила. According to google you said this: Moles Wee told kamshitsi and beleznitsi. Al alkaline dokaram for drugs and muff. While I am dokaram for drugs and muff I am not at all for kamshitsi or beleznitsi. As to moles i'm meh.
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Post by sinjin on Feb 6, 2011 19:23:01 GMT -5
Oh and I don't care if the moles are wee or not. They are icky whatever size the are.
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Post by severe delays on Feb 6, 2011 19:34:42 GMT -5
unvote everything vote Guiri
Who hasn't voted? We need one more for Guiri.
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