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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 16, 2011 16:53:11 GMT -5
Well, I was hoping I'd last a little longer, but I hope I was able to help in the short time I was in the game. KidV, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I voted for you was largely influenced by the fact that you made a late claim and didn't put vote on the table. If you had cast a vote for anyone, I probably would have unvoted you. But I think it wouldn't have made much difference, because I think most of the people who lynched you weren't around after you claimed anyway. Didn't you vote for me before my claim? Or am I confused? Doesn't matter. My first game in a while, and I think I made the mistake of playing my old style without stopping to evaluate how the atmosphere here had changed. I'll confess to being fairly annoyed at several players that I believe came over from Facebook - I never did like that playstyle, and this game feels alot like a Facebook game, the more I see. Still, my bad I think. Did you see this part?
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 19, 2011 5:58:15 GMT -5
Actually I think the only players from facebook involved in this game is Ed, Bill and me. Most of the "new" players are from Giraffe (Bobarggh and SisterCoyote) and I don't know what board paranoia, natulazy and... texcat (?) are from.
Hockey, Natlaw and Suburban (I think) are from the Dobe.
But I know what you mean by facebook-style and I truly don't think we have reached that level on this board ;D
I mean... Star Wars on facebook still makes me physical ill to think of...
But is the eavesdropper-role really that impossible to balance as have been suggested? I know it was used in Ragnarok and Bill (playing the role) later complained about how the information he got was absolutely worthless.
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 19, 2011 6:55:32 GMT -5
Texcat is the one who dragged me here. I was a Spies player and I used to play at EM.
Nat is from the mafia alliance neck of the woods and is also playing in an aliased mafai game elsewhere that is eating up her time since it's partially played over aim.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 19, 2011 11:04:42 GMT -5
But is the eavesdropper-role really that impossible to balance as have been suggested? I know it was used in Ragnarok and Bill (playing the role) later complained about how the information he got was absolutely worthless. You answered your own question with that following statement. I don't know anything about the role other than what's been discussed here, but look at what Bill said. The information he got was absolutely worthless. Therefore, his role was no better than vanilla. So the role is pointless. Or should he get better information? Okay, so now he can find out what scum are actually saying. Names, plans, etc. How do you avoid that being overpowered? How do you as a mod choose what information to reveal. You are creating a role that isn't player driven, but moderator driven. This is bad. Bill didn't have a role to play, he was just a vessel for the moderator's whims. It's horrible design.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 19, 2011 13:52:14 GMT -5
But is the eavesdropper-role really that impossible to balance as have been suggested? I know it was used in Ragnarok and Bill (playing the role) later complained about how the information he got was absolutely worthless. You answered your own question with that following statement. I don't know anything about the role other than what's been discussed here, but look at what Bill said. The information he got was absolutely worthless. Therefore, his role was no better than vanilla. So the role is pointless. Or should he get better information? Okay, so now he can find out what scum are actually saying. Names, plans, etc. How do you avoid that being overpowered? How do you as a mod choose what information to reveal. You are creating a role that isn't player driven, but moderator driven. This is bad. Bill didn't have a role to play, he was just a vessel for the moderator's whims. It's horrible design. Yeah, ultimately it was little better than vanilla - it really boiled down to the snippet of information being sufficient to spot nuances in folks posting style/grammar - the PM was: "You're the Town Eavesdropper. Every Night you will receviev a PM with a bit of information from the scum-thread." A scummy Pinkies claimed Eavesdropper in another game - but the information he was claiming to get was way to useful by comparison.
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Post by special on Feb 19, 2011 14:08:07 GMT -5
oops
nothing to see here, carry on.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2011 15:07:02 GMT -5
Actually I think the only players from facebook involved in this game is Ed, Bill and me. Most of the "new" players are from Giraffe (Bobarggh and SisterCoyote) and I don't know what board paranoia, natulazy and... texcat (?) are from. Hockey, Natlaw and Suburban (I think) are from the Dobe. But I know what you mean by facebook-style and I truly don't think we have reached that level on this board ;D I mean... Star Wars on facebook still makes me physical ill to think of... But is the eavesdropper-role really that impossible to balance as have been suggested? I know it was used in Ragnarok and Bill (playing the role) later complained about how the information he got was absolutely worthless. I don't wanna name names, there's no point to that. I'm just saying that the playstyle in the current game is ... different from what I'm used to. If it's not because of recent Facebook transplants, then I apologise to our Facebook transplants. ETA - Hockeymonkey has been around longer than I have, Natlaw has been playing since at least Evil Dead on the Dope, and I think Suburbans first game was Alpha Centauri on Giraffe.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 20, 2011 5:00:25 GMT -5
I think I see what your are saying. We don't have all the "heavy" players like Story and NAF in this game - and MHaye is somewhat quiet here as well.
There is more just "playing along" right now than actually trying to figure out a way to play that will ensure a win.
In a lot of games "scum-hunting" is just people looking for a typo or a misspell and suddenly everyone is pleased there is a "case" and don't bother to stop looking at what is going on.
I remember subbing into CatInASuits game on Domebo and reading to catch up and Story had made this really cool, cool post about when votes came in Day 1 and where they were leading and posting as he caught up and could see patterns develop. It was a new way for me the re-read and it worked. I think that was what in the end made Town win that one.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 20, 2011 18:57:28 GMT -5
Stop channeling me, peeker!
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 21, 2011 5:07:43 GMT -5
Stop channeling me, peeker! I love some of his points about "general" mafia. When I wrote the color I almost changed "what are you going to do? Bleed on me??" to "What are you going to do? Fos me??". I never got all the fos'ing. Seems kind of pointless to me.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 21, 2011 8:19:07 GMT -5
Oh - and we need a sub for the game. So if anyone wants to join in the fun (and haven't been spoiled or played in the game so far) - feel free to PM Mr. Ed and/or me
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 21, 2011 22:06:23 GMT -5
Gah! My first time at being a Scum and I couldn't have fouled it up any worse!
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 22, 2011 5:45:34 GMT -5
I don't think you should be so hard on yourself. I have seen scum makes a LOT bigger mistakes and actually I have seen Town make even bigger (just ask Romanic about Evil Dead II ;D ). Once a scum made a slip and asked in the game if "her kill" had worked. She was lynched in a hurry. Now that's a mistake
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 22, 2011 16:54:01 GMT -5
Actually I think the only players from facebook involved in this game is Ed, Bill and me. Most of the "new" players are from Giraffe (Bobarggh and SisterCoyote) and I don't know what board paranoia, natulazy and... texcat (?) are from. Hockey, Natlaw and Suburban (I think) are from the Dobe. But I know what you mean by facebook-style and I truly don't think we have reached that level on this board ;D I mean... Star Wars on facebook still makes me physical ill to think of... But is the eavesdropper-role really that impossible to balance as have been suggested? I know it was used in Ragnarok and Bill (playing the role) later complained about how the information he got was absolutely worthless. I don't wanna name names, there's no point to that. I'm just saying that the playstyle in the current game is ... different from what I'm used to. If it's not because of recent Facebook transplants, then I apologise to our Facebook transplants. ETA - Hockeymonkey has been around longer than I have, Natlaw has been playing since at least Evil Dead on the Dope, and I think Suburbans first game was Alpha Centauri on Giraffe. It wasn't me in Alpha Centauri... I was actually in "Werewolf", the very first game way back when on the Dope. I played in the first 2 games there then disappeared for a few years, until Lord of the Rings a few months ago. Since then I've come over here and to Giraffe, both at peeker's invitation...so now you have another thing to blame him for And Bob, don't feel bad. You lasted one Day longer than I did last time I was Scum...
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 25, 2011 5:15:49 GMT -5
Exactly, Ulla. I'm used to games with, perhaps heavier analysis? Until the point I got lynched, this game felt more like a popularity contest.
Can't say about since then, I haven't been following too closely.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 1, 2011 7:30:20 GMT -5
The mass-block idea that seems to be in a lot of games lately. I have never played having the power and I am not sure if I would use it.
Of cause if all protectors are dead - I guess it could make sense to use it. But it would still block all towns power roles as well. And without a mass claim how can one judge when the "right" time would be?
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 1, 2011 10:49:00 GMT -5
It's hard to know when to use the power because it's self-balancing, in a way. By blocking everything, it hurts the team the most that has the most powers.
Probably the best use is end-game. The town investigator should typically reveal in mid-game. After that, once they're killed, there's likely no remaining town powers that are more important than the gain from blocking the scum kill.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 8, 2011 23:37:09 GMT -5
Xxxxx'x x xxxx xxxxxx xxx xx xxxx. Xxxx xxxx. It's exciting!
(EDIT: Spoiler alert!)
Mod note: I didn't expect that!
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Post by BobArrgh on Mar 12, 2011 10:39:14 GMT -5
Man, peeker's #48 in Scene 6 cracked me up!
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Post by Renata on Mar 12, 2011 22:47:38 GMT -5
Well, that was annoying.
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 14, 2011 12:55:39 GMT -5
I've started a small Mafia game on the SDMB " SS Incorrigible", if anyone is interested.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 14, 2011 14:20:56 GMT -5
The revenge of not advancing their win condition as a result of killing me is just not sufficiently satisfactory. *grumble*
Can I please be spoiled?
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Post by texcat on Mar 15, 2011 17:17:05 GMT -5
A fun game. The color is brilliant!! Now if I can just get that intermission music out of my head.
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Post by Natlaw on Mar 19, 2011 12:05:55 GMT -5
Good game so far, liked the color very much. And yes, that intermission music is a treat . Sloppy play by me D2+3 that resulted in my lynch hurts . I relied too much on my claim to save me (thinking the greater power would be out there to support it). No clue at all when my kill would have triggered. If I had to bet it kills third party only but that seems just unfair to them since their chances are low already. Maybe just to kill peeker if he is a rabbit Serial Killer since then it would match the color perfectly . MHaye is obviously scum with that last minute vote (only reason to wait that long is to avoid people switching to him for a self-defense vote). I guess Peeker will be blocked so he'll be lynched Tomorrow. The other scum are, I think, Red Skeezix and Romola but I really worry CIAS simply bussed bob. I think town wins in the former case (unless peeker SK then he has a good shot at it) and loses in the later (or guiri/SC/Romanic is the scum busser).
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 24, 2011 11:20:48 GMT -5
Well Darn,
Go on spoil me, I deserve to be repressed no longer.
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Post by Natlaw on Mar 24, 2011 15:07:23 GMT -5
Was she expecting a dead scum? Also voting for Romola for not claiming when Yesterday she said Romola was on vacation... Still with CIAS dead my bets for scum are Red Skeezix and romola as well.
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