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Post by Renata on Feb 1, 2011 9:54:13 GMT -5
Well, no wonder Renata likes them. She uses them when she plays scum. That's very interesting. Bite me.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 1, 2011 10:00:45 GMT -5
I wonder if Mahaloth needs to be slapped with a trout as part of some arcane win condition...
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Post by special on Feb 1, 2011 10:12:44 GMT -5
Vote Count with approximately 5 days, 17 hours and 45 minutes until DayEnd
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Invalid (1)(1) peekercpa [15]
Not voting (23) KidVermicious, Renata, Merestil Haye, BillMc, Sister Coyote, Captain Pinkies, Romola, Eleanor / Sinjin, Paranoia, Hockey Monkey, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, bobarrgh, texcat, Romanic, Mahaloth, Suburban Plankton, timmy, naturallylazy, guiri, pedescribe, harmless little bunny, Natlaw, Red Skeezix
With these votes, peeker will be lynched purely out of spite.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 1, 2011 10:14:03 GMT -5
Well, we can't have that. Lets lynch peeks cuz we want to, not because the mods said so.
Vote: peeker
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2011 10:30:35 GMT -5
You need to put spaces between the vote code and peeker's name.
And are you really planning to vote peeker just because the mods are going to lynch him for his joke vote? Wouldn't it be better to look for, oh, I don't know, Scum?
Which is not to say peeker couldn't be scum, just that joke voting for joke voting for the mods' kill threat seems...well, overkill.
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Post by naturallylazy on Feb 1, 2011 10:43:21 GMT -5
Heh, just teasing, NatLaz. i was thinking more along the lines of lyla. but whatever. Oooh, I like this one. Pretty. =) *continues Day One observing*
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 1, 2011 10:56:35 GMT -5
Hey, coming out of the gate with guns-a-blazin'...nice! I choose not to comment on whether or not I 'approve' of the mods' rules. They are the rules and if I am going to play this game, I must follow them. I choose to remain in the game under those rules, and that's all I will say on the matter. If you would like to find that Scummy, you are by all means entitled to do so. That's a nice twist but I didn't say that you 'just following the rules' is scummy. My thought was that since you had a recent experience where the quality of a fake PM made a difference, you would have more to say about it. For what it's worth, I'm treating the issue more as a discussion starter for this game than some rule dispute that is tangential to the game proper. In short the quality of the PM is a null tell this game and a definite plus for scum. So we need to be aware of that and use other things (claim timing, counter claims) to validate a claim. I think I like the rule (it's the first time I play with it) but if KidV won't play for the win because of it then it's better to ask for a sub now. I don't think the rules were posted when the sign ups were so I don't blame KidV in anyway (just to be clear). What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior...no, wait, that's not it... What I object to is that you were fishing for information from me specifically, and for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with this game. I may be reading more into it than you intended, but I tend to play this game fairly close to the vest, and I do dislike suggestions that I should divulge any information 'just because'.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 1, 2011 11:02:17 GMT -5
Well, we can't have that. Lets lynch peeks cuz we want to, not because the mods said so. Vote: peekerYou need to put spaces between the vote code and peeker's name. And are you really planning to vote peeker just because the mods are going to lynch him for his joke vote? Wouldn't it be better to look for, oh, I don't know, Scum? Which is not to say peeker couldn't be scum, just that joke voting for joke voting for the mods' kill threat seems...well, overkill. KidVermicious, I would like to know at this point if your vote on peeker is: - A serious vote
- A 'joke vote' in the same vein as the Mod vote on peeker
- An example of you 'not taking the game seriously' as you stated would be the case
If it's the first, some justification is in order. If it's the second, then that's fine; we can just ignore it. If it's the third, then you need to make that clear so that we can know how to deal with you from this point forward.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 1, 2011 11:14:10 GMT -5
regarding the whole fake role stuff.
i personally don't like the idea of mod provided fake claims. if someone needs to or decides to make a fake claim then they need to do it on their own.
i can kind of get down with a publicly provided vanilla town pm. but nothing to the point of being able to dream up an uber cool town role for scum or third party to obfuscate things.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 1, 2011 11:16:15 GMT -5
neta: however, i understand the rules and it's not my game so i don't have a problem with it since we are all operating under the same rule set.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 1, 2011 11:21:37 GMT -5
I may be reading more into it than you intended, but I tend to play this game fairly close to the vest, and I do dislike suggestions that I should divulge any information 'just because'. The 'just because' would be to have something to talk about on Day One but if this specific topic it too meta-game let's just drop it. I had no intention at all to make you feel inferior/force you to talk about things not directed related to this game.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 1, 2011 12:59:48 GMT -5
I interpreted the mod-help with writing to be color specifically: so the players would have to specify the name and/or the powers beforehand, lest the mods screw them over.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 1, 2011 13:56:48 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">You need to put spaces between the vote code and peeker's name. And are you really planning to vote peeker just because the mods are going to lynch him for his joke vote? Wouldn't it be better to look for, oh, I don't know, Scum? Which is not to say peeker couldn't be scum, just that joke voting for joke voting for the mods' kill threat seems...well, overkill. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Well, we can't have that. Lets lynch peeks cuz we want to, not because the mods said so.
Vote: peeker You need to put spaces between the vote code and peeker's name.
And are you really planning to vote peeker just because the mods are going to lynch him for his joke vote? Wouldn't it be better to look for, oh, I don't know, Scum?
Which is not to say peeker couldn't be scum, just that joke voting for joke voting for the mods' kill threat seems...well, overkill. KidVermicious, I would like to know at this point if your vote on peeker is: - A serious vote
- A 'joke vote' in the same vein as the Mod vote on peeker
- An example of you 'not taking the game seriously' as you stated would be the case
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> If it's the first, some justification is in order. If it's the second, then that's fine; we can just ignore it. If it's the third, then you need to make that clear so that we can know how to deal with you from this point forward. I borked the tag on purpose. It was a joke vote, peeks and I have something of a history and I wanted to get the party started. That probably would have been more evident had I not been sulking in the corner over rules I don't like. I've given it some thought, and decided that I am here and will treat this like any other game. Any issues that come up regarding fake role PMs can be addressed after the game is over. Apologies for the ruckus.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 1, 2011 14:27:00 GMT -5
I have no issue with Ulla writing fake PMs.
I think we should call naturallylazy Lazy and Natlaw Nat.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 1, 2011 14:42:57 GMT -5
I borked the tag on purpose. It was a joke vote, peeks and I have something of a history and I wanted to get the party started. That probably would have been more evident had I not been sulking in the corner over rules I don't like. I've given it some thought, and decided that I am here and will treat this like any other game. Any issues that come up regarding fake role PMs can be addressed after the game is over. Apologies for the ruckus. 'nuff said, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 1, 2011 14:53:42 GMT -5
I may be reading more into it than you intended, but I tend to play this game fairly close to the vest, and I do dislike suggestions that I should divulge any information 'just because'. The 'just because' would be to have something to talk about on Day One but if this specific topic it too meta-game let's just drop it. I had no intention at all to make you feel inferior/force you to talk about things not directed related to this game. It's not that it's "too metagame"...it's just that I originally had no plans to comment on the rule at all, and the only comment I plan to make is the one that I already made, so it's not much of a subject of conversation as far as I'm concerned. I have no problems with anyone else discussing it, and I can understand how some people could have a problem with it, but I personally choose not to comment on the mod's rules.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 1, 2011 15:48:06 GMT -5
bill, bill, bill why? ?? WHY? must you shrink the town pool? If you are truly a vanilla it is your job to hide town power roles.... And from what I read, you did this other games... So this isn't someting new for you.... before getting the get rope... any insights you wish to provide? ?? "must you shrink the town pool" - so that implies you believe that I am town. "your job is to hide town power roles" - no, the job of town is to lynch scum. relying on power roles is a weak strategy "this isn't something new for you" - really? "before getting the rope" - so here we have the contradiction - if you believe I am town, that I am vanilla, then by lynching me an confirming that i am vanilla, you have actually shrunk the pool. To throw some spam, spam, spam out there, and a great big shrubbery, instead of the usual wifom: My life expectancy in the last 6 or 7 games has been, shall we say, short. If my crystal coconut is working, then my life expectancy is this game is probably less than the wing span of an african swallow. The scum will, of course, know whether I am scum or not, but will not know whether I am pfk, 3rd party, town power or vanilla. So if there is a town watcher, and they so decide to watch by back, so to speak, then if the scummy scum take me out, then it will likely be a 1 for 1 trade. If the scum have a watcher, then of course, they may play the same game. Whether watchers see each other is at the whim of the mods, but they would see any cop or doc that wandered in my general direction. So that would be a bad move by the town. If I am scum or third party or pfk, of course, such wifom makes it risky for an investigation for exactly the same reasons. And if I am scum, well it certainly would time for something completely different. First, some questions: How the heck could we be confident that you're Town yet? And what Townie in their right mind would vote for you if they thought you were Town? The more likely scenario is people voting for you because your unprompted claim has made them suspicious of you. Who's responsible for shrinking the unknown pool in that scenario? Some questions of a more conceptual nature... Do you agree that it would be rather pointless for everyone to start the game with "I am Vanilla Town" claims? There is only one exception that I can think of, and that is with a Town-aligned lie detector role in play, but those are some long odds. Assuming for a moment that optimal play would be for one or two Vanilla Town players to make unprompted claims for, perhaps to try and diffuse suspicion or set out some wine for scum. Those scenarios would be situational. I think Idle's claim in the International game meets that criteria. Not so sure about the Heroes game just yet. Now, you seem to believe that you are in a situation that warrants using up one of those slots, and you might be right. I have no idea if you're right though, or what your alignment is, and no one else even had a chance to weigh their own individual scenarios and perhaps come to the same conclusion for themselves before one of those slots has already been taken. I also think that the situation you are in, getting killed quite early as Town in recent games, probably made you a somewhat attractive candidate for Scum to actually leave alive for WIFOM effect.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 1, 2011 15:52:58 GMT -5
+ "if you're Town" to that last line.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 1, 2011 16:27:44 GMT -5
I wonder if Mahaloth needs to be slapped with a trout as part of some arcane win condition... I am the winner!!! I am the winner! Wait. This really is too silly. Seriously, folks, whether we support or don't support the idea that the mods will help aid people that need fake PM's, I don't see the point of discussing it too much more. It's in the rules and that's the way it is. Just move on.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 1, 2011 16:53:40 GMT -5
I wonder if Mahaloth needs to be slapped with a trout as part of some arcane win condition... I am the winner!!! I am the winner! Wait. This really is too silly. Seriously, folks, whether we support or don't support the idea that the mods will help aid people that need fake PM's, I don't see the point of discussing it too much more. It's in the rules and that's the way it is. Just move on. oh goody. does that mean that we can start debating the merits, or lack thereof, of a mass name claim?
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Post by Romola on Feb 1, 2011 17:07:42 GMT -5
Well, before we move on from that, I will vote. Bill, you haven't said why you need find custom made fake PM's an issue now, or whether you've mentioned your objections in previous games which had exactly the same function. It could be a way to get Town cred, objecting to a feature that some think gives an advantage to scum, thus leading people to think 'ah, so Bill's Town'. I see it as a no-tell with KidV, as I gather that he hasn't come across the feature before. Bill certainly has.
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 1, 2011 17:07:57 GMT -5
That probably would have been more evident had I not been sulking in the corner over rules I don't like. I've given it some thought, and decided that I am here and will treat this like any other game. Any issues that come up regarding fake role PMs can be addressed after the game is over. @ KidV ... I really like the change in your attitude. It says a lot about you. @ BillMc ... I have observed several games now and the whole "claim-right-out-of-the-gate" debate seems to be about as strong as the debate between Mac and PC users. While I totally agree with Cookies's question about what would happen if everybody claimed Vanilla Town, I do like the points you raised with regards to the possible presence of Watchers. It actually answered some questions in my mind about the relative merits of starting out that way. Maybe not my personal cup of tea, but hey, we all play the game the way we feel best. Having said that, though, don't you run the risk of setting yourself up for a "Lynch all Liars" campaign, though, if you claim Vanilla Town and then turn out to be a Town power role or even a scum? Wouldn't it make it difficult to come out later and claim a power role? Obviously, if you start acting scummy your life expectancy would be short, but it seems to me that if you try to claim to be a power role, you won't be believed.
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Post by Romola on Feb 1, 2011 17:08:42 GMT -5
dammit Vote BillMc
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Post by Romola on Feb 1, 2011 17:09:37 GMT -5
Vote BillMc
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 1, 2011 17:11:27 GMT -5
@ Romola ... third time's a charm?
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Post by special on Feb 1, 2011 17:36:16 GMT -5
Vote Count with approximately 5 days, 17 hours and 45 minutes until DayEnd
Player (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed]
BillMc (1)(1) Romola [113] Invalid (1)(1) peekercpa [15]
Trying to vote but not succeeding (1) KidVermicious
Not voting (21) Renata, Merestil Haye, BillMc, Sister Coyote, Captain Pinkies, Eleanor / Sinjin, Paranoia, Hockey Monkey, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, bobarrgh, texcat, Romanic, Mahaloth, Suburban Plankton, timmy, naturallylazy, guiri, pedescribe, harmless little bunny, Natlaw, Red Skeezix
With these votes, BillMc will be lynched
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 1, 2011 17:38:54 GMT -5
oh goody. does that mean that we can start debating the merits, or lack thereof, of a mass name claim? You keep quiet, Kirk.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2011 17:48:51 GMT -5
I have observed several games now and the whole "claim-right-out-of-the-gate" debate seems to be about as strong as the debate between Mac and PC users. And once again, those of us who are bicomputeral are vanished. Sigh. I'm not sure what to think of your vote, Romola; either Bill is telling the truth, or he's lying. If he's telling the truth, he's Town, and we need him. If he's lying, he'll be caught out eventually and we'll get rid of him. But in my experience both playing in and running games where someone's outed themselves at the get-go...it's a null tell, and not worth a vote.
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 1, 2011 18:04:00 GMT -5
Hey ... I'm bicomputeracious ... I use Windows and Linux!
Romola's vote on Bill does seem a little strange this early in the game. It may say more about her than him.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 1, 2011 18:56:03 GMT -5
oh goody. does that mean that we can start debating the merits, or lack thereof, of a mass name claim? You're hilarious. Don't make me go "ushimi" on your ass, now. ;D
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