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Sept 10, 2007 22:11:55 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 10, 2007 22:11:55 GMT -5
Are we really worried about spoilering the show/movie for people who haven't seen them? I, for one, will probably forget that courtesy in about 6 minutes.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:18:10 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 10, 2007 22:18:10 GMT -5
Ok, no spoiler: "Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die..." Seems appropriate. Wash has the best lines.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:19:42 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 10, 2007 22:19:42 GMT -5
So is there anything to really do at the beginning of the Day other than wait for someone to slip up or randomly vote for someone? How do we know it's random for you? How would you think it was random for someone else? It's not random for everyone. Those who know who is who would know precisely what they were doing.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:22:22 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 10, 2007 22:22:22 GMT -5
Oh, and I just noticed I have karma, yeah ha!
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Sept 10, 2007 22:28:51 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 10, 2007 22:28:51 GMT -5
*Dripping with jaded cynicism that could only come from slogging through M3 & M5* Aw look. The noobs already scrapping it up. How cute. We win by team, not by surviving. The way I figger it, it's better for the town, at game-end, to have more veteran players amongst themselves than new players. My (or any other first time player's) strategies during the game are entirely a wildcard, while we've all seen what you, or Mad the Swine does. I think scumtells would be a lot more easy to unearth by diligent townies at the end of the game based on past actions.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:33:12 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 10, 2007 22:33:12 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has not seen the movie or the show (except the Train Job, once) - spoil away. I don't intend to watch the series anytime soon.
Now, my usual plea - please don't hold a grudge against anyone for their roles in the last game. It could easily wind up hurting your side.
Fortunately this board offers some stress relief in the form of the Exalt | Smite buttons...
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Sept 10, 2007 22:43:30 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 10, 2007 22:43:30 GMT -5
I hold no grudges, but with 10 days of Day 1, I do think some fluffy decompression post-M5 is unavoidable.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:47:12 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 22:47:12 GMT -5
Okay. Let's do this, guys. :puts out cigarette on the ground and steps up to the bar: I've got several issues/words of advice here: 1. The Closed Set-Up actually HEAVILY favors Town @ First. -- So those of you freaking out about it, don't. -- Don't try to fish for roles, or try to freak out with probabilities on what's included in the game. At night we'll know how many killing groups there are. My guess: I'm gonna say 1-2 scum factions, 1 SK type, 1 possible Vig as well. Probably 1 Cop, 1 Doc, maybe a backup to them. But those are guesses, and just my own opinions, I will not be trying to push the agenda for it, nor should you. As I'm really anti Mod-Guessing now. [IE: See Mafia VI: The 2 outta 3 Fake Mafia pick @ the end, where it was acutally 1 outta 3 to be mafia, thank god you picked that one right -_-) ]So now you're asking: HOW Does The Closed Set Up Benefit Town? -- If you're not Scum and not a newbie, You've already got an idea for the answer to that Q. If not... well. It'll be brought up later in the day. No need to help out Scum so quickly. But knowing my patience, I'll prolly just wait an hour and then post my thoughts anyways (Damn, my lack of patiences!) 2. There was a second thought. However I forgot it. 3. I have two people I'm suspicious of: So here's my FOS List: 1. Diomedes. 2. DnooMan First Diomedes: If we get lucky and nail an Alliance member with a lynch early, the hammering players votes will help distinguish Crew from Scum. (this, of course, is based on my understanding that the loss of a scum early in the game is less helpful than an excuse later in the game for the scum). If there are any Reavers in this game, I'll bet credits to crackers that there's one, and he's a Psychopath. Now, as far as first day voting goes: I've only ever played this game live, and first votes tend to be based on hearing some slight shifting as Scum try to silently inform the Mod who they want to sha.
I'm going to go out on a limb and throw out an initial vote, based on nothing. (If anyone wants to instruct me what I'm supposed to be looking for in first day scumtells, I'll be happy to listen) Vote: whatthefrak * I dislike this post for a variety of reasons: The idea that the "hammering votes are more likely to be not-scum" not really true. Scum will do whatever it takes to appear townie. If Sacrificing one of their own, I'm sure they'd be willing to join in on the bandwagon to do so. Some may even sell out their brethren to appear more town (Idle/Zuma anyone ) *You feel the later voters will be more townie. I'm just saying that's probably not true. I'm not gonna call you out as scum for it. Because you do point out you're new to the game (Dotchan had this same issue). But I will watch you for it. Because it's a way to allow scum to be the later voters and appear less suspicious. I say "Don't Trust Anyone" is the best advice I ever got from ST about how to play this game. That and play every day as if its gonna be your last. It's best to leave plenty of info for the town. A silent townie is a useless townie. Point #2: The Reaver Issue. I don't have much here. I just dislike the speculation, but its just that. So the SK could be a reaver. The reavers could also be a cult (from what people are saying about a potential recruit ability), they could also be a scum group in thier own w/ a recruit power. They could do lots of things. I'm not gonna try to nail them down to any one thing, but rather just try to be aware that other possibilities are out there: Basically: Just more advice: Don't get TunnelVision.Point #3: first votes tend to be based on hearing some slight shifting as Scum try to silently inform the Mod who they want to sha.
What?? ( ) Are you saying Scum are Daykillers? If someone dies today during the day, I'll be looking at you REAL hard for that. It's just... an odd statement. So I guess i'll just ask you: "What did you mean by this statement?" I is Confused. Point 4: I dislike your last statement "where you're asking for scumtells to follow on your own. To me that seems like the perfect way for a NoOb Scum to hide. Just to try to follow someone else's ideas, and so if they lynch a townie "Well they were just doing what they were told." --Independent thinking is good. Band wagoning w/o reasons- Bad. So i've given you some advice, since you did state you're new. Maybe you're town and just unsure what to do. So there ya go. But I'm letting you know w/ my FoS I've got my eye on you too. Next post will be you Dnoo!
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Sept 10, 2007 22:47:40 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 10, 2007 22:47:40 GMT -5
Very true.
Plenty of time to unwind before the serious business of looking for the next candidate for defenestration.
Oh wait, that might be a bad idea.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:55:31 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 22:55:31 GMT -5
DnooMan! Here's why I'm Suspicious of you now: Honestly, It's cuz of one post during the night last night. It's not big. But it's something that I was wondering about, and wanted to say something, but held my mouth shut. So, all we know is our own role, that some people sha other people, and what our win condition is right? There may be more than one group of "town" and more than one group of "scum". If there are numerous win conditions, couldn't we end up with a situation where "an enemy of my enemy is my friend, but also an enemy of mine"? I'm assuming that there will be at least some type of good guys versus bag guys element to the game (that is the point of the game isn't it?), or is this version more of an "every man for him/her self"? I guess you could divide us into killers and non-killers, but I'm not sure that would help any of us get our win condition. Also, I have no problem believing that there could be some sort of gray area 'twixt the two as well. I'm corn-fused. I'm just suspicious of that post because to me it looked like 2 things: 1. It seemed to obfuscate the game at such an early point. It seemed like you were unsure what was going on, and perhaps fishing for answers. --However , Diomedes was the one to reply to your queries. I disliked his post, cuz I felt like it was giving away alot of information. And actually on second thought. Congrats Diomedes. You're Not as big of a Suspect for me.... But i still got my eye on you. 2. Also i really really disliked your line that I bolded (i'll underline it to be safe too). That line made me suspicious of you, because... I'm curious to know why you would think such a thing?It makes me think you didn't get a clear-cut message about who the good guys are, or at least that your role is not as clearly worded as my own. That's why I'm suspicious of you. But I'm down for listening to your thoughts on what you were thinking at night when you were speculating of all the different possible win conditions.
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Sept 10, 2007 22:59:08 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 22:59:08 GMT -5
oh. And just for my own sake.... Can you guys each point out who's completely new to the FF world and who's a fanatic of the series? Just so I don't like slip up on something silly by going "wait, where did they know that info from" if its just something that's known in the show.
I myself Am a FF newbie. I've only seen serenity, and it was an eh action movie for me. For your own references.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:02:06 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 10, 2007 23:02:06 GMT -5
We win by team, not by surviving. The way I figger it, it's better for the town, at game-end, to have more veteran players amongst themselves than new players. My (or any other first time player's) strategies during the game are entirely a wildcard, while we've all seen what you, or Mad the Swine does. I think scumtells would be a lot more easy to unearth by diligent townies at the end of the game based on past actions. From one new player to another, I kind of see your point about this. However, there's just as good a chance that a veteran can make a mistake as a new player making a mistake. Veterans may have the experience of past games, but new players give a fresh outlook on old faces. Plus, veteran scum know what veteran townies might look for, and thus new townies might be helpful because they bring different ideas to the table. Not that veterans stop bring new ideas once they become veterans, but sometimes people get into a rhythm when playing these types of games. And plus, what if a new person is *completely* new, and haven't read any of the past Mafia games? They don't know the reputations of such-and-such or how so-and-so was a nifty scum in that one game. They just see what happens in this game and play off that, which could be invaluable later on.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:05:28 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Sept 10, 2007 23:05:28 GMT -5
*looks up from notepad*
To make life easier for those of us playing along at home, please be clear on who you are voting/unvoting and FoSing/UnFoSing.
Thanks, all!
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Sept 10, 2007 23:06:05 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 10, 2007 23:06:05 GMT -5
Fanatic.
I'm re-watching the series currently, probably for the 3rd (maybe 4th?) time. I've seen Serenity as many times. I've read the graphic novel (yesterday).
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Sept 10, 2007 23:09:14 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 10, 2007 23:09:14 GMT -5
oh. And just for my own sake.... Can you guys each point out who's completely new to the FF world and who's a fanatic of the series? I guess you could say I'm a fanatic. Watched the entire series I think 3 times over since I got it. Watched Serenity at least 5 times total, I think.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:18:52 GMT -5
Post by Captain Klutz on Sept 10, 2007 23:18:52 GMT -5
oh. And just for my own sake.... Can you guys each point out who's completely new to the FF world and who's a fanatic of the series? I'm newish, I've only just finished the series and the movie. I'll probably watch all of them again over the next few weeks.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:22:22 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 10, 2007 23:22:22 GMT -5
oh. And just for my own sake.... Can you guys each point out who's completely new to the FF world and who's a fanatic of the series? Just so I don't like slip up on something silly by going "wait, where did they know that info from" if its just something that's known in the show. I myself Am a FF newbie. I've only seen serenity, and it was an eh action movie for me. For your own references. Umm... it's in my Netflix queue? *Hoping I don't get 40 lashes* Hey, it's the next one at least, I swear!
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Sept 10, 2007 23:22:32 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 10, 2007 23:22:32 GMT -5
Scum will do whatever it takes to appear townie. If Sacrificing one of their own, I'm sure they'd be willing to join in on the bandwagon to do so. Some may even sell out their brethren to appear more town (Idle/Zuma anyone ) Just a minor nitpick--nobody really "sold" anyone out in that. The plan, in advance, was to do that originally. As for the whole new player/vet player discussion. Who cares? I don't think it matters much. I know I make mistakes all the time in this game and I've been playing in every game since III. I also think new people have the advantage of being harder to read. So if they're scum, town wouldn't know how they usually act and if they're town, the baddies won't know what to make of their posts in this closed set up.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:23:44 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 10, 2007 23:23:44 GMT -5
Oh, and I know nothing about Firefly.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:24:58 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 23:24:58 GMT -5
[[Really? So Zuma's drunken posting and then you calling him a mason was planned! !?! That was one of my fav. things. I always pictured it as You coming up with the idea, and dragging Zuma into it quickly, and him just waking up and shrugging his shoulders and going, alright, let's run with it.]]
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Sept 10, 2007 23:28:26 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 10, 2007 23:28:26 GMT -5
[[Yeah...actually it was the other way around. They had to drag ME into it (and we left off on that Night me saying I wouldn't be doing it--but in the end, I did NOT KNOWING that he'd be trying to set up that Apprentince thing).]]
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Sept 10, 2007 23:29:34 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 23:29:34 GMT -5
[[Awesome! I love these behind the scenes info things]]
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Sept 10, 2007 23:32:04 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 10, 2007 23:32:04 GMT -5
Scum will do whatever it takes to appear townie. If Sacrificing one of their own, I'm sure they'd be willing to join in on the bandwagon to do so. Some may even sell out their brethren to appear more town (Idle/Zuma anyone ) Just a minor nitpick--nobody really "sold" anyone out in that. The plan, in advance, was to do that originally. As for the whole new player/vet player discussion. Who cares? I don't think it matters much. I know I make mistakes all the time in this game and I've been playing in every game since III. I also think new people have the advantage of being harder to read. So if they're scum, town wouldn't know how they usually act and if they're town, the baddies won't know what to make of their posts in this closed set up. I, for one, have never made a mistake in this game.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:32:18 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Sept 10, 2007 23:32:18 GMT -5
-- If you're not Scum and not a newbie, You've already got an idea for the answer to that Q. If not... well. It'll be brought up later in the day. No need to help out Scum so quickly. Good to see you haven't changed your posting style from last game Roosh the good old "I know something good and juicy, but I ain't telling you till later (if at all) Neena Neena" ;D As to what I think about the setup, this is more just fluffy pondering then strategising or anything, but IMO, 1. We have the townies as passengers, with the crew as power roles. What power roles exactly, I don't know, and I don't want to discuss, in case someone lets something drop accidently, I just like the fluff idea of the crew as the power roles. 2. Alliance agents are the scum, would seem to be the natural way to go. 3. Reavers? Not sure, within the fluff context of the Firefly universe could a reaver hide within normal people for very long? I don't think they would be a seperate scum faction. Maybe there is a Reaver in a serial killer-type role? 4. I'm trying to think up a fluffy group that could do service as a Masons? Maybe some shepherds?* That'd work. That's about it that I can think of from a fluff perspective of what groups are what. I haven't played a closed set up before either (in fact I have only ever played one Mafia game before, where I went periously close to being lynched on my very first day ) So this is all complete spitballing on my part. Oh and in answer to Roosh I've watched the series & movie once and liked it immensely, but have not studied the show. * - For non FF watchers, shepherds are like christain missionaries, travelling the galaxy to spread their religion.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:33:53 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 10, 2007 23:33:53 GMT -5
Anyway, back to this game. Vote Roosh for trying to get this game off topic to talk about the other one. Hahaha, I kid, I kid. But I'm going to try to switch up my playing style some so I'm going to fire that vote of for starters. Although on a serious note, one scum thing I learned was all off topic talk was good for us and we tried to make it that way as much as possible. So it'll make me, at least, wary if I see a lot of it during Day in these games. Also, I think it'd be very dangerous if analytical players who type a lot (such as Roosh or Storyteller) were scum. Yes, I'm in that group too, I modestly put myself in. But I don't think town can afford being lulled into a sense of security just because someone posts the most or the longest. I dunno if my vote will be on Roosh for long, I'll keep my mind open and my eyes watching.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:34:59 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 23:34:59 GMT -5
Good to see you haven't changed your posting style from last game Roosh the good old "I know something good and juicy, but I ain't telling you till later (if at all) Neena Neena" ;D Hey, I learned it from Mad
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Sept 10, 2007 23:37:37 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Sept 10, 2007 23:37:37 GMT -5
I'm already seeing this game being a lot of work to follow. Between hitting the reply button, and submitting my post, there is suddenly 12 more posts.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:47:08 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Sept 10, 2007 23:47:08 GMT -5
I'm already seeing this game being a lot of work to follow. 'twixt hitting the reply button, and submitting my post, there is suddenly 12 more posts. This game has 28 players. Even if everybody just posts 5 times, that's 140 posts to slog through in Day 1. And of course there's those of us in the Peanut Gallery laughing at you behind your backs. ;D
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Sept 10, 2007 23:52:49 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 10, 2007 23:52:49 GMT -5
Wow. Okay, maybe posting a lot early isn't very helpful. I've gotten an FOS and a suspicion already, and half the players haven't even said anything! Lemme take care of Roosh's post, and maybe it will take care of Dnooman's concerns. Roosh said: Point #3: first votes tend to be based on hearing some slight shifting as Scum try to silently inform the Mod who they want to sha. What?? () Are you saying Scum are Daykillers? If someone dies today during the day, I'll be looking at you REAL hard for that. It's just... an odd statement. So I guess i'll just ask you: "What did you mean by this statement?" I is Confused. I was referring to a live game, where night is held by everyone closing their eyes, and the scum will point towards the people they want to night-kill. You can hear 'shifting' from one direction or another, and that's your first clue as to whom you want to lynch the first day. I can't even imagine a game with a daykill for the Mafia, (or even for the town. Daykills?) so I'll take responsibility for any deaths during the day. Excepting mod-kills like in M5, if people start dropping like flies mid-day, feel free to lynch my butt. Point 4: I dislike your last statement "where you're asking for scumtells to follow on your own. To me that seems like the perfect way for a NoOb Scum to hide. Just to try to follow someone else's ideas, and so if they lynch a townie "Well they were just doing what they were told." --Independent thinking is good. Band wagoning w/o reasons- Bad. Yep, you're right. It's less of actually appealing for direction (just as likely to come from active scum) than it is for me questioning DopeMafia's prejudice against random voting on Day One. I've always thought that random voting when there aren't vote records to go through helps the town. This, of course, is given that scum generally will avoid voting for fellow scum in a random, early vote. But I'm letting you know w/ my FoS I've got my eye on you too. Are you one of them sly* fellows? * I've watched the series many times, and seen the movie.
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Sept 10, 2007 23:53:23 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 10, 2007 23:53:23 GMT -5
Yeah. And note. Apparently we're not allowed in the Peanut gallery. I just learned that by visitation.
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