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Post by Natlaw on Mar 10, 2011 6:44:30 GMT -5
and by the slimmest of margins idle crosses the finish line ahead by a nose breaking his leg in the process. he is summarily executed on the track. unvotevote romolaI agree that romola looks bad if lyla flips scum and since it does look like that to me at this point I agree with your vote for that reason. But I'm not sure if you actually find lyla scummy: in your previous post you acknowledge that Renata might have tracked both her and me and that she might have unvoted me because her track matched my claim. Then you say you have no datapoints on lyla and vote me. So if you find me more scummy than lyla, why aren't you voting for me or Sister Coyote who put lyla in the lead over me as you pointed out? Sidenote: if Renata did track us both then I don't think she tracked eeither of us to an actual player that was killed (or perhaps to be targeting (thus maybe blocking) crazybunny). If she had I don't think she would have switched votes between us.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 10, 2011 6:48:06 GMT -5
i don't think she tracked you because i don't believe that you killed pinkies. ipso fucto, even if she tracked you i don't believe that she saw squat.
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Post by Natlaw on Mar 10, 2011 11:41:24 GMT -5
So you are voting romola for not voting me over Skeezix and not because of the not voting lyla or idle (who she did put in the lead of the tie with a temporary vote).
So if she scummy for saving my scummy hide, why aren't you voting me first to make sure I'm actually scum (which I'm not but you want to lynch romola first before finding that out by lynching me?).
What do you think about Sister Coyote whose unvote was the one that didn't lynch me Yesterday but apparently isn't more scummy than romola for that?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 10, 2011 12:20:32 GMT -5
I don't have a history of scummy maneuvers in this game, and Romola kind of does.
Not that I actually know what peeker thinks...
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Post by Natlaw on Mar 10, 2011 13:47:51 GMT -5
I guess I'll need to reread why you voted Romola. Fifth vote on Mahaloth it decent though.
Day 1 Voting.
KidVermicious (5)(5 405) Renata [350], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [360], Sister Coyote [361], guiri [389], Suburban Plankton [405]
timmy (5)(5 436) Red Skeezix [310], Captain Pinkies [335], Hockey Monkey [380], Natlaw [408], CatInASuit [436]
bobarrgh (3)(4 247) Natlaw [213 397], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273], harmless little bunny [330]
harmless little bunny (2)(6 346) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164 366], Suburban Plankton [186 358], Sister Coyote [260 359], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286], KidVermicious [346 382] sinjin (2)(2 295) Paranoia [174], romola [295]
Captain Pinkies (1)(1 252) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1 290) Mahaloth [290] Sister Coyote (1)(1 366) Romanic [366]
Mahaloth (0)(6 282) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [156 241 256 341], harmless little bunny [168 330], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281 325], guiri [282 322] CatInASuit (0)(4 139) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160] Hockey Monkey (0)(1 140) Renata [140,141]
Not voting (4) Merestil Haye, naturallylazy, pedescribe, KidVermicious
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Day 2 Voting.
Mahaloth (8) (8 192) harmless little bunny [3], peeker [163], Suburban Plankton [167], pedescribe [180], romola [182], guiri [184], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [187], bobarrgh [192]
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts (5)(5 203) CatInASuit [41], texcat [128], bobargh [151 192], Mahaloth [178], sinjin [194], Merestil Haye [203]
Sister Coyote (1)(1 20) romanic [20] Bobarrgh (1)(1 97) Sister Coyote [97] Suburban Plankton (1)(1 121) Renata [121] Merestil Haye (1) (1 188) Natlaw [188] naturallylazy (1) (1 201) Red Skeezix [201]
pedescribe (0)(2 179) Natlaw [169 188], Merestil Haye [179,203] sinjin (0)(1 36) romola [36 111] Romanic (0)(1 47) Renata [47 72] texcat (0)(1 131) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [131 187]
Not Voting (3) Captain Pinkies, Hockey Monkey, naturallylazy
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Day 3 Voting.
Bobarrgh (15) (15 146) Sister Coyote [12], Romanic [30], Renata [31], CatInASuit [50], guiri [52], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [59], pedescribe [83], Red Skeezix [101], Hockey Monkey [102], peekercpa [104], Merestil Haye [113], harmless little bunny [127], Romola [132], sinjin [140], natlaw [146]
Captain Pinkies (1) (1 0)
Romanic (0) (1 42) pedescribe [42 83]
Not Voting (4) Captain Pinkies, bobarrgh, texcat, naturallylazy
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Day 4 Voting.
pedescribe (13) (13 138) Renata [22 78], Sister Coyote [41], Romanic [52], CatInASuit [59], guiri [64], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [82], Red Skeezix [84], peekercpa [99], romola [102], Merestil Haye [120], Natlaw [122], sinjin [123], texcat [128], Idle Thoughts [138]
Captain Pinkies (1) (1 0) Romanic (1) (1 17) pedescribe [17] naturallylazy (1) (1 78) Renata [78]
Natlaw (0) (1 80) Red Skeezix [80 84]
Not Voting (3) Captain Pinkies, harmless little bunny, naturallylazy
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Day 5 Voting.
Idle Thoughts (4) (5 152) romanic [76], guiri [115], Red Skeezix [119], Merestil Haye [148], romola [152 157] naturallylazy (4) (4 146) Renata [4 62 112], Natlaw [120], Sister Coyote [146]
Natlaw (3) (6 98) Red Skeezix [52 119], CatInASuit [59], peekercpa [60], Renata [62 112], Sister Coyote [63 146], guiri [98 115], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [134], romola [157, 158]
Renata (1) (1 28) Idle thoughts [28] Red Skeezix (1) (1 45) Natlaw [45 120], romola [164]
Romola (0) (1 51) Sister Coyote [51 63]
Not Voting (3) sinjin, texcat, naturallylazy
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Post by Romola on Mar 10, 2011 15:28:13 GMT -5
I don't have a history of scummy maneuvers in this game, and Romola kind of does. Not that I actually know what peeker thinks... I don't think I do. What I have in this game is a history of playing really badly, particularly yesterDay. I had way underestimated the amount of time and concentration that I needed to put in to keep up properly. Near the end of yesterDay, I had no clue what I was doing, hence my flobbing about. There was no wish to save anyone, just utter confusion and panic. I fully expected to be taken out by a Town vig last Night for stupidity. I still wouldn't say that I have more than an idiot's grasp on this game, and it's my own fault. I'll try to do better.
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Post by texcat on Mar 10, 2011 16:34:04 GMT -5
I wasn't around at the time, but it appeared as if Romola put Natlaw in the lead and then unvoted and voted Idle and unvoted again. Romola managed to get Idle lynched instead of NatLazy even though Romola's vote was only on Idle for a few minutes. Romola was the deciding vote while still being able to claim that her vote was elsewhere. It seemed a little shady to me on my re-read.
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Post by Romola on Mar 10, 2011 16:56:05 GMT -5
Try clueless. The basis for my wobbles was my misreading of the whole 'fake claim' situation. The vote was an absolute mistype. I went in half cocked and made a complete mess, realised it and made a bigger one. Idiocy, not scumminess.
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Post by special on Mar 10, 2011 20:17:59 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 2 days, 12 hours and 42 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] naturallylazy (9) (9 29) texcat [5], Natlaw [8], Sister Coyote [9], Red Skeezix [10], Romanic [12], guiri [17], Romola [19], CatInASuit [29] Natlaw (1) (2 27) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [20], peekercpa [27 28]romola (1) (1 28) peekercpa [28] Not Voting (2) Merestil Haye, naturallylazy With these votes, naturallylazy would be lynched.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 11, 2011 4:08:37 GMT -5
The case for lynching Naturallylazy seems to be built on two basic planks.
1. That she has not yet voted. This is an objective fact.
2. That Renata was a Tracker, and spent much time Yesterday building a case against Ms Lazy. I didn't think Renata's case was particularly well-founded, but extracurricular knowledge of the sort to be gained by an investigative role might explain it.
Now, Peeker's case on Romola. I spent some time rechecking the change of votes after Natlaw's claim (to verify Peeker's narrative). It's substantially correct, with a few omitted details and only one mistake in the analysis I can find.
Romola's vote changes had the effect of resulting in a tie between Ms Lazy and Idle Thoughts being broken in favour of Idle rather than Ms Lazy. Prior to the vote, Ms Lazy would have been lynched, because she reached 4 votes before Idle. Afterwards, Idle had a higher peak vote count than Ms Lazy. (Peeker's error is that, when Romola switched from Idle to Natlaw, Natlaw would have been lynched; he peaked at 6 votes to Idle's 5.)
This could be Mafiate manipulation to save a fellow Mafiate in danger, but if it was it was ridiculously blatant. Romola would have had to be desperate, and given that Ms Lazy has the millstone of a final vote round her neck, would be a handicap in the late game. Also, her playstyle (Ms Lazy's that is) has proved a suspicion magnet this game. It didn't go away after Idle was lynched, did it?
And what if Ms Lazy turns up Town? Then Romola would be blatantly manipulating the vote to lynch one townie over another, and that's ludicrous. Yes I know "scum would do that" but they have to have a reason. There would have to be a compelling one, and I can't see it.
If Ms Lazy turns up Town, I'd consider Romola very likely Town as well, unless someone can adduce a reason why lynching Idle over Ms Lazy was in the Mafia's vital interest. If she turns up Mafia, then Romola needs more scrutiny since it might have been one Mafiate saving another, but I don't find that likely either. Romola would have been better off staying low-profile and letting MsLazy dance the hemp fandango in that case.
I have to go out now. A vote this evening, I hope.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 11, 2011 9:35:05 GMT -5
The case for lynching Naturallylazy seems to be built on two basic planks. 1. That she has not yet voted. This is an objective fact. 2. That Renata was a Tracker, and spent much time Yesterday building a case against Ms Lazy. I didn't think Renata's case was particularly well-founded, but extracurricular knowledge of the sort to be gained by an investigative role might explain it. <snipped> 1. no argument here. 2. kind of agree and kind of disagree. ren spent the first part of yesterDay developing a case on lazy. the problem for me is that the case revolved around, basically, one post from early on Day 1. and in my mind has some meat but is also meta based on meta. and once law is scrutinized she moves there rather quickly. matter of fact, voting before giving her reasoning. and then she moves back after the claim. now, in my mind, ren is a pretty durn good player. i really think at this stage in the game if she has a result that also backs up her reasoning she is going to share it. and to some extent if she has a result it is on law because he at least admits to being out and about as well as engaging in some questionable antics (my characterization). but he, at least, comes up with a plausible reasoning for any Night time activities, whereas lazy hasn't really done *insert diminutive for richard*. does it make sense for scum to use lazy as a designated killer (if that is how it works in this game)? absolutely. i mean she has dropped off the face of the earth. she's either going to start piling up penalty votes or will get killed just out of principle. so i think if ren went down that path she would have also followed up with, "oh by the by, lazy visited *insert Night death name*". so i am much more inclined to believe that she didn't have results on either of her two candidates.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 11, 2011 9:37:00 GMT -5
I fully expected to be taken out by a Town vig last Night for stupidity. <snipped> why would you think that? you are at least participating.
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Post by texcat on Mar 11, 2011 10:40:57 GMT -5
now, in my mind, ren is a pretty durn good player. i really think at this stage in the game if she has a result that also backs up her reasoning she is going to share it. and to some extent if she has a result it is on law because he at least admits to being out and about as well as engaging in some questionable antics (my characterization). but he, at least, comes up with a plausible reasoning for any Night time activities, whereas lazy hasn't really done *insert diminutive for richard*. does it make sense for scum to use lazy as a designated killer (if that is how it works in this game)? absolutely. i mean she has dropped off the face of the earth. she's either going to start piling up penalty votes or will get killed just out of principle. so i think if ren went down that path she would have also followed up with, "oh by the by, lazy visited *insert Night death name*". so i am much more inclined to believe that she didn't have results on either of her two candidates. I think Renata did have a result on Lazy, but thought she could get her lynched without claiming. A claim by Renata at this point of the game would have meant death for sure, wouldn't it?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 11, 2011 12:04:07 GMT -5
I think Renata did have a result on Lazy, but thought she could get her lynched without claiming. A claim by Renata at this point of the game would have meant death for sure, wouldn't it? and differences of opinions are why baskin robbins sells 31 flavors. i don't think so. with two scum and a malicious 3rd party dead if she tracked lazy and got a result then i would bet that she would have done the math and said a one for one at that stage in the game was a positive town outcome.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 11, 2011 16:09:31 GMT -5
Renata was a Tracker. Trackers don't (generally, anyway) get to know what was done by the player they followed, just that Player A visited Player B in the Night (or stayed at home; you know the drill.) So, if Renata saw Naturallylazy visit someone one Night, she won't know that Ms Lazy killed her target. For all Renata knew, Ms Lazy is a Cop or Doc.
Now, if Renata saw Ms Lazy visit someone who died that same Night, that pretty much rules out the possibility of Ms Lazy being a Doc, and strongly suggests that she's a killer. But Renata couldn't rule out that Ms Lazy has a nonlethal power, and someone else visited the same person, and killed them. Therefore Renata might have decided not to claim, but instead build a case.
I'm going to Vote: Naturallylazy Today.
I believe that if she is not a Mafiate, then Romola is highly unlikely to be Mafiate, for reasons explained in D06.039 upthread. if Ms Lazy is Mafiate, then another one bites the dust.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 12, 2011 1:54:25 GMT -5
Foregone conclusions really do suck the air out of the room.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 12, 2011 7:14:49 GMT -5
Foregone conclusions really do suck the air out of the room. I don't suppose you and Peeker would consider switching to drop the hammer?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 12, 2011 8:06:10 GMT -5
actually i was kind of hoping that the rest of you would have a saul/paul road to damascus type of conversion. but in the interest of keeping this thing somehwhat semi moving i will: unvotevote lazyi mean sure we might get lucky on this one. but if we do let's not kid ourselves that it is any great piece of scum hunting. a case based on one post early in Day 1, then a shitload of lurking and then an ambiguous play from our dead tracker. since we have seen a relatively recent run of low posters being some sort of Night fodder i'd be much more inclined to actually focus on the remaining participants for a lynch. establish some additional data and votes and see if the recent "death by not playing" continues. as it is no one will get any cred for this lynch if she is scum (or at least i won't give myself any for just being another faceless body in the herd). and no one suffers any accountability if she flips town. c'mon cookies. join the rest of us lemmings. the water is fine this time of year. and on preview i have no clue what in the hell i did to mhaye's original post. i have tried to fix it so it looks right but if it doesn't parse correctly its because i was having to screw with the quote tagging.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 12, 2011 8:30:38 GMT -5
And what if Ms Lazy turns up Town? Then Romola would be blatantly manipulating the vote to lynch one townie over another, and that's ludicrous. Yes I know "scum would do that" but they have to have a reason. There would have to be a compelling one, and I can't see it. If Ms Lazy turns up Town, I'd consider Romola very likely Town as well, unless someone can adduce a reason why lynching Idle over Ms Lazy was in the Mafia's vital interest. If she turns up Mafia, then Romola needs more scrutiny since it might have been one Mafiate saving another, but I don't find that likely either. Romola would have been better off staying low-profile and letting MsLazy dance the hemp fandango in that case. <snipped> i can absolutely see this as being the correct scum play. down two power roles (probably one was used up). chance to get rid of a strong town player in idle. all the while knowing/assuming that lazy gets it in the neck at Night or becomes a viable lynch candidate for the next Day. and justifying it with oh crudinsky i am so confused. sorry, while no one goes without posting errors and what not along the way i also know that the lot of you devious shits are certainly smart enough to play the ditzy blonde card. matter of fact the smarter you are the more plausible the oops i made a simple mistake becomes (and yes, romola i do mean you). i bet if we got this group together it would be like a bunch of gomer pyles wandering around on the outside. all the while performing hawking type of calculations on the inside. and each of you working from your own secret world cabal agenda. mazalan at a cockfuggingtail party.
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Post by special on Mar 12, 2011 16:23:58 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 0 days, 16 hours and 36 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] naturallylazy (11) (11 47) texcat [5], Natlaw [8], Sister Coyote [9], Red Skeezix [10], Romanic [12], guiri [17], Romola [19], CatInASuit [29], Merestil Haye [44], peekercpa [47] Natlaw (1) (2 27) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [20], peekercpa [27 28]romola (0) (1 28) peekercpa [28 47]Not Voting (1) naturallylazy With these votes, naturallylazy would be lynched.
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Post by Romola on Mar 12, 2011 16:52:26 GMT -5
i can absolutely see this as being the correct scum play. down two power roles (probably one was used up). chance to get rid of a strong town player in idle. all the while knowing/assuming that lazy gets it in the neck at Night or becomes a viable lynch candidate for the next Day. and justifying it with oh crudinsky i am so confused. sorry, while no one goes without posting errors and what not along the way i also know that the lot of you devious shits are certainly smart enough to play the ditzy blonde card. matter of fact the smarter you are the more plausible the oops i made a simple mistake becomes (and yes, romola i do mean you). i bet if we got this group together it would be like a bunch of gomer pyles wandering around on the outside. all the while performing hawking type of calculations on the inside. and each of you working from your own secret world cabal agenda. mazalan at a cockfuggingtail party. I'm genuinely embarrassed to have buggered up and misread so badly yesterDay. I've never felt so lost in a game before. Having said that , i hope NatLazy turns up scum, not Town - I wouldn't be voting for her otherwise.
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Post by naturallylazy on Mar 12, 2011 22:11:18 GMT -5
Okay. Let me see how I can do this.
I'm not mafia. I can't visit.
I do not know why Renata was persuing me so hard, but I was prepping a case against her, sooo... *tosses out window*
My other suspicion is on Texcat, who seems to appear rather conviently with things against me, when really they probably should have been posted when she thought of them. Perhaps they could have been written down and shared earlier?
Something has been bothering me about Peeker's posts, but I can't place it.
Right now, I think CIAS is probably town, but there's just a little doubt due again to the message on my board from day one.
I am one to disagree slightly with the logic that Romola is town if I am town as presented by M.Haye. I think M.Haye is overthinking it. That said, it is possible that both M.Haye and Romola are mafia. Granted, I might be overthinking this too. Eugh. Too much thinking. I'm getting lynched in two places right now. This kind of sucks.
Uhm, I don't feel as if I can keep going without feeling like I'm walking into a mess. So I'm going to vote for me.
Sorry I could not pay more attention, town, good luck.
Vote: Natlazy
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Post by special on Mar 12, 2011 22:35:19 GMT -5
Day is over.
Final Vote Count
Player (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed]
naturallylazy (12) (12 51) texcat [5], Natlaw [8], Sister Coyote [9], Red Skeezix [10], Romanic [12], guiri [17], Romola [19], CatInASuit [29], Merestil Haye [44], peekercpa [47], naturallylazy [51]
Natlaw (1) (2 27) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCoconuts [20], peekercpa [27 28]
romola (0) (1 28) peekercpa [28 47]
Not Voting (0)
With these votes, naturallylazy would be lynched.
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