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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 17:17:00 GMT -5
@lightfoot, what led you to believe that Archangel was Town by post 477 of Day 1? In your vote for FCOD, you stated that he was voting for someone (Archangel) who you thought was Town. In a cursory search of your prior votes, all I saw was you referring to the Renata/Archangel situation as a possible smokescreen. Here's the post for reference. If I missed where you indicated why you trusted Archangel at that point, please forgive me and point them out WoW literally, I don’t think I have ever felt so analyzed. (thank you for your unvote of confidence) I shall jump off the couch now. TRUTH I came in here knowing I was going to be playing with the “Big Kids” and there is a lot about the game itself I don’t know yet. If I annoy you (although not my intent), maybe you will listen when I have a good idea? Will remember the ‘scum tells’ mentioned Never thought of it that way. Now to the meat of the matter In an effort to make my vote count (hopefully against a SCUM) Unvote Vote FCOD
FCOD was one I had doubts about early on, and the fact that he is voting for a player I think is TOWN helps change my vote. It also narrows the margin on the top
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 17:34:04 GMT -5
NOt trying to confuse anyone any more than I am confused myself..... (not working) Part of the process was (is) me thinking out "loud" and seeing if it sounds right to me or anyone else.
Perhaps in a different manner than the veteran players are accustomed to?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 5, 2011 17:39:16 GMT -5
Ouch, we're not starting this game off on a good foot are we? In my defense, I stated yesterday that my vote was weak and based on only the slightest suspicion. I agree that it looks bad for me given who the other voters for the lynch were... It seems to me we should take a closer look at the players who didn't vote yesterDay: Mahaloth, peekercpa, Greedy Smurf, scuzzlebutt, and storyteller. Mahaloth: So far has posted basically nothing except saying he believes Ed's claim and that he's extremely busy at work. peekercpa: Was participating, voted and unvoted Ed, seems to have disappeared since March 30. Greedy Smurf: Apologized for lurking due to RL issues scuzzlebutt: Was not allowed to vote due to editing infraction storyteller: Didn't vote because name changes were too confusing. Lots of IRL distractions, except for peeker. peeker, where are you? --FCOD Post 24 from today is what’s keeping my vote on FCOD. The day one stuff is so blatantly out there in its “well I just don’t find anyone scummy” comments that it’s almost hard to credit it coming from an experienced (scum) player. (Don’t you know that gets you in trouble, FCOD?) But post 24 today with the “we’re not starting off well” comment, plus the appeal-to-look-at-nonvoters with no actual effort expended in doing so, and all of it together just rather adds up to scum. Did you really just say "Scum wouldn't do that?" With that out of the way I am inclined to Vote: FCOD at this point, largely on the strength of this point and your WOW on him. In addition, I really dislike the implied "excuse" given for Scuzzlebutt -- Just because scuzzlebutt was under Mod Penalty doesn't prevent him/her from voting or participating, which point I tried to make to scuzzlebutt yesterDay before my brain apparently went all to hell. Not that I've ever seen one "in the wild", but a Voteless Townie also wouldn't have an excuse for not participating, either -- whether or not we can vote, we can hunt Scum.
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Post by Renata on Apr 5, 2011 17:41:14 GMT -5
Hey, I did say "almost".
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 5, 2011 17:42:46 GMT -5
Okay, that's true.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 5, 2011 17:43:58 GMT -5
There was supposed to be a winky at the end of that. OH NOES FLUFF.
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Post by Renata on Apr 5, 2011 17:47:04 GMT -5
OH NOES.
S'all right, I'm in the end of day rut, a little punchy at the moment.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 17:52:04 GMT -5
@lightfoot, what led you to believe that Archangel was Town by post 477 of Day 1? In your vote for FCOD, you stated that he was voting for someone (Archangel) who you thought was Town. In a cursory search of your prior votes, all I saw was you referring to the Renata/Archangel situation as a possible smokescreen. Here's the post for reference. If I missed where you indicated why you trusted Archangel at that point, please forgive me and point them out WoW literally, I don’t think I have ever felt so analyzed. (thank you for your unvote of confidence) I shall jump off the couch now. TRUTH I came in here knowing I was going to be playing with the “Big Kids” and there is a lot about the game itself I don’t know yet. If I annoy you (although not my intent), maybe you will listen when I have a good idea? Will remember the ‘scum tells’ mentioned Never thought of it that way. Now to the meat of the matter In an effort to make my vote count (hopefully against a SCUM) Unvote Vote FCOD
FCOD was one I had doubts about early on, and the fact that he is voting for a player I think is TOWN helps change my vote. It also narrows the margin on the top That I can answer correctly I believe. As to the ‘pissing match’ (my words) you referenced. Their exchange voting/unvoting struck a nerve with me . I thought it would with other players but it seems it didn’t. Then later The pattern of votes on archangel to me seemed an indication that she was most likely town. The vote leader Day one near end of Day . Just the thing for SCUM to do and claim innocence since “I didn’t know s/he was town!” is a great excuse. Since TOWN will plead their case with the same words.
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 18:00:17 GMT -5
That I can answer correctly I believe. As to the ‘pissing match’ (my words) you referenced. Their exchange voting/unvoting struck a nerve with me . I thought it would with other players but it seems it didn’t. Then later The pattern of votes on archangel to me seemed an indication that she was most likely town. The vote leader Day one near end of Day . Just the thing for SCUM to do and claim innocence since “I didn’t know s/he was town!” is a great excuse. Since TOWN will plead their case with the same words. How did the pattern of votes indicate that she was Town?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 18:34:56 GMT -5
@ Ed We are both reading the same pages , so I won't quote chapter and verse. About the time you 'unvoted' yourself the majority swung to archangel and stayed there. MY take on it as stated D2 # 127 stands
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 18:52:42 GMT -5
@ Ed We are both reading the same pages , so I won't quote chapter and verse. About the time you 'unvoted' yourself the majority swung to archangel and stayed there. MY take on it as stated D2 # 127 stands Understood. You saw the swing in votes as an indication that Archangel was Town, but never mentioned it until mentioning it in passing while voting for FCOD. Is that a correct?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 21:13:48 GMT -5
this has become labouring Ed and guiri asked and answered (too many times if you ask me)
I have gone with my gut You can't follow my thoughts when I type them ..got it.
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 21:42:14 GMT -5
this has become labouring Ed and guiri asked and answered (too many times if you ask me) I have gone with my gut You can't follow my thoughts when I type them ..got it. Does that mean you're unwilling to answer my question. Again, I apologize if I've failed to understand you. That's why I've asked clarifying questions.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 21:49:38 GMT -5
this has become labouring Ed and guiri asked and answered (too many times if you ask me) I have gone with my gut You can't follow my thoughts when I type them ..got it. Does that mean you're unwilling to answer my question. Again, I apologize if I've failed to understand you. That's why I've asked clarifying questions. I think I have been quite willing to answer questions. BUT answering the SAME questions over and over is labouring.. If you have NEW questions by all means, Which question do you have for me that you feel I didn't answer?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 21:50:35 GMT -5
here goes my post count. Where is the hall monitor
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 22:01:27 GMT -5
here goes my post count. Where is the hall monitor You saw the swing in votes as an indication that Archangel was Town, but never mentioned it until mentioning it in passing while voting for FCOD. Is that a correct? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Again, I apologize if you stated it somewhere. I don't mean to put you to extra work. I just want to be sure that I'm basis my decisions on facts and not assuming that you stated it somewhere in a way that I didn't understand
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Post by Renata on Apr 5, 2011 22:01:48 GMT -5
@ Ed --
"I have gone with my gut "
I believe that's the closest to an answer you're going to get on the Archangel/town thing.
As for the earlier comment on me and Archangel, I think Lightfoot is saying she thought it looked like intra-scum sniping for a while there. I think.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 5, 2011 22:04:41 GMT -5
Also, without his claim, MentalGuy may not have had to claim, and certainly would not have had to claim to have more to his role that is not Daphne related. Did MentalGuy have to claim that last, though? Or did he choose to do so, throwing additional WiFoM in the mix? I didn't have to claim that last part, but I thought it would be better to let players know there was more to my role, so that if for some reason I needed to reveal it later, it wouldn't look like I just coming up with something out of the blue. Wait a minute, why would him being a bomb have anything to do with whether he should be lynched or not. Some bombs kill one of the players voting for them if they are lynched (often the last player to vote for them). I highly doubt there is a bomb in the game, though, and I find it hard to believe that FCoD was seriously contemplating that. While I agree with Storyteller that there was likely a scum on the Ed bandwagon, I am finding FCoD scummier than any of those voters(although I wouldn't really be opposed to a lynch of any of them or of a couple of other players). I find his response to the Ed claim scummy. His contribution to the discussion has not been substantial, which he seems to want to correct in his first post today, but doesn't wind up doing much with it. His vote for Archangel wasn't a self-preservation vote since he had not been voted yet, but it did seem to be a building bandwagon that would be a good scum hiding spot. Vote FCODMy second choice would probably be Lightfoot. She seems to be overflowing with scum tells.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 22:07:55 GMT -5
here goes my post count. Where is the hall monitor You saw the swing in votes as an indication that Archangel was Town, but never mentioned it until mentioning it in passing while voting for FCOD. Is that a correct? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Again, I apologize if you stated it somewhere. I don't mean to put you to extra work. I just want to be sure that I'm basis my decisions on facts and not assuming that you stated it somewhere in a way that I didn't understand[/quote During my should not be drunk typing I alluded to it (I think I remember) but I did not yell it outloud because I still think you (generic you) are more experienced and probably saw it your own selves
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 22:08:26 GMT -5
Why the hell is everyone so quick to agree that there was a Scum on my bandwagon?
And, more importantly, why are we using that as a basis for voting? Why do we use that to limit where we look?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 22:12:20 GMT -5
the quote messed up = more confusion
@ renata you got my thought process correct there... (the sniping part)
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 22:12:45 GMT -5
@ Ed -- "I have gone with my gut " I believe that's the closest to an answer you're going to get on the Archangel/town thing. As for the earlier comment on me and Archangel, I think Lightfoot is saying she thought it looked like intra-scum sniping for a while there. I think. the flip-flop is not good enough for me. it's just too Scummy
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 22:17:09 GMT -5
During my should not be drunk typing I alluded to it (I think I remember) but I did not yell it outloud because I still think you (generic you) are more experienced and probably saw it your own selves OK, so you think you mentioned it. I didn't see it. and now you think others should have seen the fact that the series of votes on Archangel indicated that she was Town? ~~~~~~~~~~~ By that logic, FCOD is likely Town because he has gotten a series of votes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. I think you 'accidentally' slipped in the accusation that FCOD was voting for someone you thought was Town because you knew Archangel was Town in an attempt to earn Townie Cred 2. I think you were gloating over the Town losses when the Day started 3. I think you intentionally tried to be misleading in stating that you didn't think the Scum could talk. You didn't even make it a question, just an assumption. 4. I have heard you continually point out how Townie you are and how awful it is that everyone suspects you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ And, one more series of questions: 1. How many games have you played? 2. Have you ever played as Scum?
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 22:18:21 GMT -5
so, obviously, my vote stands. I should have made that clear.
And, if 2 items don't constitutes a series, then damn
3. Ask peeker?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 22:28:54 GMT -5
During my should not be drunk typing I alluded to it (I think I remember) but I did not yell it outloud because I still think you (generic you) are more experienced and probably saw it your own selves OK, so you think you mentioned it. I didn't see it. and now you think others should have seen the fact that the series of votes on Archangel indicated that she was Town? ~~~~~~~~~~~ By that logic, FCOD is likely Town because he has gotten a series of votes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. I think you 'accidentally' slipped in the accusation that FCOD was voting for someone you thought was Town because you knew Archangel was Town in an attempt to earn Townie Cred 2. I think you were gloating over the Town losses when the Day started 3. I think you intentionally tried to be misleading in stating that you didn't think the Scum could talk. You didn't even make it a question, just an assumption. 4. I have heard you continually point out how Townie you are and how awful it is that everyone suspects you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ And, one more series of questions: 1. How many games have you played? 2. Have you ever played as Scum? Ed good questions My gut says I should not answer both of those questions.... Tough questions IMO on day 2 There are players here that know both answers (and I don't know which side they are playing for) so not answering you would/could be called out. Here ya go Kiddo This is my second game . I have never been SCUM . My assumption you mentioned earlier was purely lack of knowledge Your gloat comment I did not see at all I thought you were talking about another player
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 5, 2011 22:33:53 GMT -5
OOG IRL my daughter is chewing my leg off because she wants the computer. Looking forward to your (generic your) responses
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Post by special on Apr 5, 2011 22:58:16 GMT -5
You know, that made me go back and look for the gloating. And not only did I find one <font style="font-size: 12px;">Damn! @2town down in one night. I also found a second one that not only called attention to losing 2 Town power roles, but also questioned Mental's and my claim. Something that Scum might have hoped to have happened by leaving us alone <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Billmc and Paranoia were town? I was a tad off base..................for some reason I did think that Archangel was But I thought the other 2 acted a bit SCUMmy... Back to the drawing board. As this day begins there are two players I still think are SCUM (although my radar is not as accurate as I thought it was) FCOD and IStickler still need to share more. SCUM got lucky and slew 2 "power type" roles in one night Maybe they have more information than I thought. I really thought that Metal guy would be a prime target or kidnapping Daphne since that was outed.. Questions the validity of their 'claims' now. You even reassert your prior confidence in Archangel without giving any reason. Really, it does fit in with expectations of a newer Scum, but it's almost too perfect an example. I can't imagine your Scum buddies weren't coaching you to avoid these approaches.
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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 6:12:33 GMT -5
Ed, what was your criterion for giving out Scooby snacks to people earlier?
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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 6:28:57 GMT -5
Joanie, day one
6 – here 74 – nothing to contribute yet, sort of a newbie, would appreciate suggestions on finding others scummy 136 – had missed a lot, thought she could comment but will have to come back later tonight 156-7 – votes special Ed due to his chasing Captain Pinkies around
As I indicated before, this is a solid enough vote.
Day Two
18 – 3 town down already? Not a good start. Sorry not around, hospital was stressful, should be a bit better now.
That’s it.
I’d like to see more from Joanie, but for a player with only one substantive post to date – and that voting for a player I currently think is town -- and a few old-fashioned scum tells to boot, she comes off to me as rather townie. It’s all in that vote on Special Ed, the tone and length and details of which feel perfectly honest and straightforward. Shading down toward neutral on the whole due to mere absence of input, but there’s nothing here I’m interesting in voting for.
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 7:14:39 GMT -5
Ed, what was your criterion for giving out Scooby snacks to people earlier? I'll get back to you on that.
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