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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 7:19:22 GMT -5
All righty. Could Mental Guy use any?
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 7:22:43 GMT -5
All righty. Could Mental Guy use any? I don't know.
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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 7:26:48 GMT -5
Well, I was sort of asking him, actually.
Need coffee.
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 7:32:11 GMT -5
Number of posts (Underlining indicates a noticeable lack of contribution to the game toDay. Italics indicate some gameplay contribution but no real scum hunting. My Opinions YMMV)
25-38 Renata LightFoot Mr. Special Ed
9-12 Sister Coyote Suburban Plankton
5-6 guiri Captain Pinkies gnarlycharlie
3-4 Inner Stickler Dr. Septimus Strangelove romanic FCOD storyteller
2 scuzzlebutt MentalGuy Greedy Smurf
1 Joanie
0 Mahaloth peekercpa
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 8:23:16 GMT -5
Well, I was sort of asking him, actually. Need coffee. Are you asking him for coffee too?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Apr 6, 2011 8:26:00 GMT -5
85 – response to Septimus saying IS only had one post (#186 from day one) that commented explicitly on the game, wants to know why people keep saying that, doesn’t think it’s true I wanted to know why people keep saying I'm a strong player. Cuz I don't see it. I apologize for not being clear about what I was responding to.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 6, 2011 9:15:45 GMT -5
24 – “gloating”: we’re not starting off well, are we? Why are you singling me out for "gloating" when: LightFoot - "@2town down in one night." Scuzzlebutt - "So we are down 3 town people." LightFoot - "SCUM got lucky and slew 2 "power type" roles in one night" gnarlycharlie - "damn! two?" Joanie - "Down 3 TOWN already?" To answer guiri, I'm not inclined to think Scum were behind the Edwagon anymore, no. Right now I'm getting a really scummy vibe from LightFoot. Here's why. I realize this will echo some of what Ed is saying, but I haven't been available to post significantly before now. 1) More "gloating" than anyone else. 2) Her inconsistent reasons for voting for me: "The pattern of votes on archangel to me seemed an indication that she was most likely town." What? What does that even mean? I think she is trying to gain trust by claiming "Oh yeah I knew archangel was Town all along." 3) I can't understand most of what she's trying to say. While not necessarily a scumtell (see peeker in many games), it is bad for the town to have a player that is incomprehensible. Vote: LightFoot --FCOD
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Post by julie on Apr 6, 2011 9:40:38 GMT -5
Vote Count:
*FCOD: 4 (Renata 22, LightFoot 99, Sister Coyote 122, MentalGuy 137)
LightFoot: 2 (Special Ed 66, FlyingCowOfDoom 156)
Renata: 1 (storyteller 110)
Inner Stickler: 1 (romanic 118)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Special Ed: +1 (Sister Coyote 10)
Mahaloth: +1 (Special Ed 39)
MentalGuy: +1 (Special Ed 39)
septimus: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Captain Pinkies: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Inner Stickler: +1 (Special Ed 39) storyteller: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Special Ed: +1 (septimus 77)
MentalGuy: +1 (septimus 77)
Inner Stickler: +1 (septimus 77)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by Mahaloth on Apr 6, 2011 9:47:19 GMT -5
I have requested a sub. If no sub is available, I will do my best to find time. No family emergencies or anything. I'm just busy coaching track after my school day(I'm a teacher) and have zero time to participate fully.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 6, 2011 10:00:54 GMT -5
I'm back, and have had time for the briefest of reads of the last several pages of posts. Hopefully I'll be able to find the time at work today to read more thoroughly and have something useful to contribute soon. I am glad that LightFoot was able to step in and fill the "have an ongoing argument with Ed" role while I was away
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 10:14:35 GMT -5
Julie, is the vote count correct? Both FCOD and I are voting for Lightfoot, but the tally indicates 1 vote toward lynching[/color]
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 6, 2011 10:29:47 GMT -5
@ ‘gloating’ I was surprised that 2 town could be taken in one night noticing the loss is ‘gloating’ ok I’ll make a note of that learn something new everyday AGAIN : It would be pure luck for a SCUM to be killed D1 since they hold all the cards MY reasoning is that the first lynched will most likely be TOWN. And someone will tell me that makes no sense !
@ Suburban Plankton I see where it can be a job. Not a popular role.
The other newer players and the non playing lurkers are getting quite an Education as well (with little or no stress to their characters)
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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 10:36:59 GMT -5
Again, FCOD, pointing out that other people also do a thing is not a defense against you yourself doing it. This is the second time you've done that.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 6, 2011 10:50:43 GMT -5
Julie, it appears you don't have my vote on FCoD either?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 6, 2011 12:27:36 GMT -5
As I'm trying to read through the recent posts, I have a request.
LightFoot:
Please, please, please start previewing your posts before you submit them. If you are using the 'Quick Reply' box and it doesn't let you preview, please stop. The 'Reply' button on the right-hand side of the screen below the last post will bring up the full 'Post Reply' screen, from which you can preview your post to see if it's legible before you submit it.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 6, 2011 12:36:49 GMT -5
As I'm trying to read through the recent posts, I have a request. LightFoot: Please, please, please start previewing your posts before you submit them. If you are using the 'Quick Reply' box and it doesn't let you preview, please stop. The 'Reply' button on the right-hand side of the screen below the last post will bring up the full 'Post Reply' screen, from which you can preview your post to see if it's legible before you submit it. I caught that. I'm tasking myself to remember not to 'quick reply'. Is there a particular post that you would like me to "clean up" and repost?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 6, 2011 12:52:35 GMT -5
All righty. Could Mental Guy use any? I realize you were asking Mental Guy, but Ed gave him one.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 6, 2011 13:13:14 GMT -5
All righty. Could Mental Guy use any? Not that I am currently aware of.
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 13:58:55 GMT -5
All righty. Could Mental Guy use any? Not that I am currently aware of. Now that that is out of the way, Normal, why did you ask?
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2011 13:59:27 GMT -5
and by "Normal" I mean "Renata"
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Post by julie on Apr 6, 2011 14:17:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the corrections to the vote count.
LightFoot, if you could please start previewing your posts before hitting send, that might help avoid some formatting errors. I missed your vote because it wasn't in bold blue. (The other error was just my inability to count to two.)
ETA: And now I see that you have already had that suggestion, so nevermind!
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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 14:33:03 GMT -5
and by "Normal" I mean "Renata" I was wondering if he wanted any from me.
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Post by guiri on Apr 6, 2011 14:34:57 GMT -5
Ed good questions My gut says I should not answer both of those questions.... Tough questions IMO on day 2 Sarcasm? While I agree with Storyteller that there was likely a scum on the Ed bandwagon, I am finding FCoD scummier than any of those voters(although I wouldn't really be opposed to a lynch of any of them or of a couple of other players). That would be Suburban, Joanie, Renata and Pinkies, right? Or just the ones post claim? To answer guiri, I'm not inclined to think Scum were behind the Edwagon anymore, no. So you now think that Suburban, Joanie, MentalGuy, Renata and Pinkies are not scum? 1) More "gloating" than anyone else. 2) Her inconsistent reasons for voting for me: "The pattern of votes on archangel to me seemed an indication that she was most likely town." What? What does that even mean? I think she is trying to gain trust by claiming "Oh yeah I knew archangel was Town all along." 3) I can't understand most of what she's trying to say. While not necessarily a scumtell (see peeker in many games), it is bad for the town to have a player that is incomprehensible. She had poked you for flying under the radar, for being one of the probable scum on Archangel's bandwagon and then voted you. I see no inconsistency in that vote but question her reasons for not making a case earlier giving her previous comments. Are you really voting her because, like you, she gloated and because you don't understand her? I can't believe you added that last bit. Do you have any opinions on the other players in the game?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 6, 2011 14:42:22 GMT -5
Ed good questions My gut says I should not answer both of those questions.... Tough questions IMO on day 2 Sarcasm? Mine or his? ~snip~
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Post by guiri on Apr 6, 2011 14:44:43 GMT -5
I know that Inner Stickler is a strong player, yet I see only one post from him that comments explicitly on the game: Why do people keep saying this? I don't think there's any evidence for it. 85 – response to Septimus saying IS only had one post (#186 from day one) that commented explicitly on the game, wants to know why people keep saying that, doesn’t think it’s true I wanted to know why people keep saying I'm a strong player. Cuz I don't see it. I apologize for not being clear about what I was responding to. So you have no problem with Septimus' accusation that you've only made "one post that comments explicitly on the game"?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 6, 2011 14:45:29 GMT -5
NETA not sure how Ed's questions fell off there, it was in the middle and I didn't mess with that part. (but it is in the post directly above my first reply)
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Post by guiri on Apr 6, 2011 14:49:13 GMT -5
Your response, were you being sarcastic, or do you think they were tough questions, or have I been whooshed by both of you?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 6, 2011 15:10:06 GMT -5
Your response, were you being sarcastic, or do you think they were tough questions, or have I been whooshed by both of you? By 'tough' I ment tough to respond to . He put me on the spot I felt that by answering I let everyone know how innexperienced I really am. If I had not answered I'm sure that would have not gone well either. (And like I said there are others here that could have answered the questions for me)
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Post by septimus on Apr 6, 2011 15:20:06 GMT -5
Was the following comment ever answered? If so, I missed it. It looks like we can't quote posts from the Night 1 thread, but something from Post 8 from last Night struck me... LightFoot said "since we have been having time zone conversations would y'all care to share yours?" The problem is, I don't recall seeing a conversation about time zones anywhere on this board... I suppose there's an innocent explanation, but to assure the question does get answered: Vote: LightFootInner Stickler. ... Septimus appears to be going off of Guiri’s summation alone, without looking for anything else, and that could be a problem. FWIW, I didn't use Guiri's summation, but did my own perusal using the Click / View 100 Most Recent Posts / Click option. (Whether my characterization of Mr. Stickler's participation was valid or not is another matter.) You ask a lot of questions, Miss Renata. When are you going to start passing around Snacks, and if not, why not? Why do you think no one's giving you any? ;D
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Post by Renata on Apr 6, 2011 15:24:20 GMT -5
unvote vote: Septimus[/color]
I need to sleep on this one to decide which is a better vote. But I'm really uncomfortable with Septimus so far, see below:
Septimus, day one
36 – played before but never found scum, should therefore count as newbie Note to be applied to all future comments -- Septimus DOES say this sort of thing as a townie. I have to take all such statements as a null tell for him.
77 – hoping for more fruitful discussion, assumes passing snacks appropriately is important and asks questions: what are they for, who needs them, etc This is the post that spurred Paranoia’s FOS. Paranoia being town doesn’t really change my opinion of it – on the whole I think that scum are a little less likely than townies to fish, if only because it so often causes trouble from townies, as in fact happened here. So a slight (very slight) town indicator for me, if anything.
79 – response to Paranoia’s FOS: thought metagaming and recipe posting was unproductive and antitown, wanted to talk about something else 121 – thanks peeker for giving him a snack, comments on Pinkies’ name-claiming in response to Archangel, saying he thinks town is more likely than scum in the case that Pinkies does in fact have to find someone. Also fluff about googling “strangeways”. Starting to get a tiny ping here – third post since he’s mentioned more fruitful discussion, but arcane extrapolations on an out-there theory are hardly that, not to mention the fluff.
165 – picks up on Guiri’s mention of bread-crumbing, wants a link to an example, more fluff about being “poor player, facetious, or hinky-seeming”. 246 – Septimus in response to Mental Guy, then Ed:
OK, finally some real activity. I’m not seeing anything encouraging here. The presumption that Ed was heading for a lynch is in retrospect obviously false, and arguably was false at the time, too. Secondly, given that Septimus has himself, prior to this, never commented on Special Ed, and isn’t voting for him, for him to in this post imply that Ed deserves to be lynched and probably isn’t Daphne at all – while still not placing a vote – seems very much like a scum standing to one side and hoping to give a townie a tip over the rail without anyone taking notice.
Finally, the Ed and Mental are both lying bit is just so casually laid out there, without any support or context, that it looks fake.
271 – asks Ed how it would work mechanically, scum controlling his vote Of all the questions that might be asked of Special Ed to try to get a handle on his alignment – that one?
330 – comments on way to improve Romanic’s snack-transfer plan. Wanted to give his own extra snack to someone who struck him as town, but still suspicious of everyone. 365 – sorry not to have vote in place, will do so first thing in morning. Offers vote summary. other tboughts: odd Mental Guy offered up possession of extra power so easily. Doesn’t see flaw in snack-sharing plan other than logistics. Renata’s cast six votes today, is that some special wincon? (facetious)
Oh boy. That vote summary “just to be helpful” pings pretty bad as coming from a place of self-consciousness about lack of contribution. The comment about Mental Guy is aimed at something “odd”, not something for which there is an obvious motive (nor does Septimus offer one), and the comment about me is just ten kinds of wrong. Yup, I had cast six votes. So? Is there a point there, Septimus? Is it a scummy thing to do? If not (and the bit about the wincon suggests you don’t really think it is), why even bring it up? It occurs to me that every single one of those six votes was on a townie or presumed townie, though, so dang if that wouldn’t have looked juicy to any scum who might’ve been looking on. But you can’t say so, right? So maybe just a little dig in the meantime?
I've overstating; it's not worth the level of suspicion I'm giving, but boy does it ping. How'd you even notice how many votes I'd cast?
404 – vote on FCOD. Doesn’t feel scumminess from most players, many seem to feel likewise, as indicated by votes on Archangel just for voting Special Ed. Will do lynch the lurker and vote FCOD for only doing fluff and admittedly weak vote (even though qualifies as lurker himself and his own vote is weak). For one thing, as I think I pointed out yesterDay, the votes on Archangel were mostly NOT for voting Special Ed. So we have a sort of throwaway comment here perhaps intended to make his own vote look better in context, only the throwaway comment isn’t accurate. Also – whatever happened to the apparent suspicion of Ed and Mental Guy? Now nobody’s really scummy enough for a vote and you have to resort to a lurker?
440 – After SP calls out the string of voting-for-lurkers-while-lurking votes (Romanic on Septimus on FCOD) defends self by saying none of the lynch leaders seem scummy and doesn’t want to lynch an active participant who’s probably town. But lurking plus me-too vote seems a possible scum tell. Romanic has participated as has he (has at least asked questions). Gives Scooby snack to Romanic (who just voted for Septimus) since in past suspecting Septimus has been town tell. ”I’ve asked questions, at least” gives me flashbacks to LightFoot. I count two questions: asking Mental Guy why he wanted a counterclaim from Daphne; and asking Ed how control of his vote would work mechanically. Not very useful questions. The Snack transfer is just inexplicable.
Day Two
77 -- wants to know if everyone’s getting the same number of snacks in the morning and if there’s any way to ask questions about it. Wants input from strong players, but for example Inner Stickler only has one post on the game. Doesn’t see scumminess or towniness of Ed and Mental, would like simple explanation (response to Inner Stickler). Some fluff, then gives one snack each to Mental, Ed and Inner Stickler. As I’ve mentioned, Inner Stickler actually has more contributory posts than just one, and I can only really account for Septimus’ mistake if maybe he was going off Guiri’s summation of IS toward the end of day one and didn’t look for anything else. The snack passing is once more completely inexplicable to me. Two consensus townies that he nevertheless says he doesn’t have a real read on, and one other – why?
81 – answers me that he gave snack to someone he was suspicious of (referring to me referring to IS, though it’s not clear in context if he understood what I was getting at) by saying he’s suspicious of everybody. Then sort of rolls eyes at the idea of gloating. 101 – responds to Romanic that he’s giving away snacks in response to what he thinks are small hints that certain players may need them; is probably wrong. Gave one back to Ed since he took Ed’s gift to him as a vote of confidence and wanted to return that. Septimus – what was the hint that you responded to for Romanic or IS?
Summary[/b] Septimus' approach to the Ed/Mental guy situation is the scummiest I've come across yet. He says nothing until both claims have been made, then once that's happened (but while Ed still has a pile of votes), implies that Ed's lynch is inevitable (and deserved). Asks both Ed and Mental Guy questions (or makes comments) that indicate suspicion but which are weirdly tangential to issues of their alignment. (Such as asking Ed how the scum would control his vote. Why would a town Ed be expected to know that, and why would a scum Ed not be able to answer?) But by the end of the day, and without any indication of why, is back to nobody striking him as scummy. (Yet says twice, once each day, that *everybody* is suspicious, which is approximately as useful as saying that nobody is.) Is still refusing to commit an inch one way or the other today.
Taken as a whole this looks like someone who is trying to encourage the lynching of a townie without getting his hands dirty, but who backs off to the minimum defensible position once the lynch is obviously no longer going to happen.
Most of the rest of the posts are more confusing or equivocal given that Septimus really isn't all that experienced and DOES have a habit, as town, of downplaying his own contributions. I don't know, getting tired. I think he has managed to make real contributions in the past unlike anything I've seen here -- I certainly remember that comment about Idle quite well. I might need to look up that game before making a final decision on whether to go for him or FCOD.
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