|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 8, 2011 20:53:43 GMT -5
dark in here.
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 21:55:22 GMT -5
good night to all! it's nearly 4am in my part of the world. Singapore? Hongkong? It's only 3 AM in Thailand, but I'll also sign off. Philippines, GMT +8, an hour away from you.
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 21:56:34 GMT -5
Your part of the world? I used to live in Indonesia, oh so many years ago. Anywhere close to that? Septimus, are you in Thailand? Close enough. I believe Indonesia is also an hour away, GMT +7.
|
|
|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 8, 2011 22:57:09 GMT -5
I hope peeker is OK. Since the parallel was drawn a few times ... I am looking forward to really playing a game with him ('cause I have no clue what the parallel is/ I wonder if "I " will see it)
Or you all get to laugh
I don't see the use of the OOG reference from you folks so thought I would add this here . And I am bored
|
|
|
Post by septimus on Apr 9, 2011 2:37:21 GMT -5
The story of my life has more than a few zigs and zags -- I'm not sure if the details would read like tragedy or farce. I used to joke that I'm an idiot-savant, mostly idiot, but now realize that I must have had the syndrome now called Asperger's. That may even manifest in my Mafia play. I also became a computer programmer, circuit designer and patented inventor; developed spastic colon while working for one of the biggest assholes in Silicon Valley; had the good luck to marry Miss Wonderful; retired to Thailand; and have two wonderful children, of whom the older is already choosing college. I know only a few Farangs out here in Middle-of-Nowhere, and many of them seem to be worse misfits than me. We've taken to calling each other "Mister ___" (though I might be the one who started that), so I apologize if my unthinking use of that honorific gave any offense.
|
|
|
Post by septimus on Apr 9, 2011 11:47:53 GMT -5
Julie wrote: Again, sorry, and if you want to poke me with sharpened sticks, I'll... well, I'll run away. But in theory I'll support it! NETA: Sorry if the above is taken as strategizing..I posted before I thought. :headsmack: I'll use you as a human shield if the pointy sticks come out. Miss Julie Scarlett did it, at Piggy's Spectacle's Island with a candlestick.
|
|
|
Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 9, 2011 13:44:15 GMT -5
Just popping in to say hello. Now that I know I have a job to go to on Monday, I can be around more. Yeah for a APPROVED BUDGET!
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
|
|
|
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 9, 2011 14:41:31 GMT -5
The story of my life has more than a few zigs and zags -- I'm not sure if the details would read like tragedy or farce. I used to joke that I'm an idiot-savant, mostly idiot, but now realize that I must have had the syndrome now called Asperger's. Not necessarily. Asperger's sits on the functional side of the Autsim spectrum and is characterized by a lack of empathy. You don't come across as lacking empathy. However, you might have what I have. It carries similar social interaction issues as Asperger's but comes from a different place. The syndrome is called "Nonverbal Learning Disability" (NVLD). It afflicts 1% of the population, and is equally split between males and females. The social interaction issues arise because anywhere from 60%-80% (depending on the study) of social interaction is visual, and people with NVLD usually lack the ability to quickly process visual cues. It's also why we tend to not be very good at sports that require quick reactions to visual stimuli. E.g. I suck at basketball, but I've got great hand-eye coordination and could hit a target with a bow-and-arrow in high school better than the bow-hunters in my class could. I also have lousy penmanship, can't draw to save my life, and hated writing growing up. All of these require visual feedback. I also struggled academically in both college and grad-school (high-school was a breeze). I also never was a fast reader. My girlfriend encouraged me to get tested a couple years ago. It turns out my verbal ability tests in the highest portion that Learning Disability tests can test for. However, my visual processing is dead average. Now having a visual processing ability that's completely average isn't bad in of itself, but when contrasted against a 3 standard deviation higher verbal ability, it ends up creating a huge disconnect in the overall processing of the brain. I read slowly, I take tests slowly, I write slowly, but given extra compensation timewise, I can do all of them very well. And I, too, do computer programming. The nice thing is, I might not be able to crank out code as fast as many others, but usually I have considerably fewer bugs. Because programming a computer really just comes down to how well you can process language. I find that good writers make good programmers.
|
|
|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 9, 2011 14:49:56 GMT -5
My daughter has aspergers we just found out. the bit that Hoopy referenced is part of it but not all
|
|
|
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 9, 2011 14:51:13 GMT -5
Also, another thing about people with NVLD:
93% of male adults who have tested positive with the condition have served time in jail.
And of the women who have tested with it, something like 70% of them have been.
It is an incredibly frustrating LD. Because you know something's wrong, but you don't know what. I was lucky in that I had a pretty good support system growing up, and had high-executive level processing, which helped me compensate.
My girlfriend's sister interestingly enough has the same LD. She, too, was blessed with a great support system.
But without that, I can understand why people with it tend to enter lives of crime. You don't feel like you fit in society, so you end up on the fringes. Society failed you, so why shouldn't you fail it?
|
|
|
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 9, 2011 14:54:01 GMT -5
My daughter has aspergers we just found out. the bit that Hoopy referenced is part of it but not all True. There's a lot more to it than just the lack of empathy. But that plays a significant portion. Unless Septimus really feels he lacks empathy, he probably has something else. Unfortunately, LD testing is expensive. I did it because I needed to know. Being that I was already set in my career, and grad school (which I did while working since the company paid for it) was over, there really wasn't any financial or career incentive for me to get tested. But I did it for the self knowledge.
|
|
|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 9, 2011 15:02:28 GMT -5
Lack of empathy (in our case) is not really a major issue. It is the response to other's problems that is a larger issue
|
|
|
Post by special on Apr 9, 2011 16:42:26 GMT -5
From an educational viewpoint, Asperger's used to be considered a Non-Verbal Learning Disability. Maybe a decade ago or so, it was moved to the newly created Autism Spectrum. I think maybe people diagnosed with Asperger's actually have NVLD. However, I think there are some significant overlaps. This is a famous article from maybe a decade ago when the divide between Asperger's and NVLD was really coming into popularity educationally. www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneous/asperger_nonverbal_learning.html
|
|
|
Post by special on Apr 9, 2011 16:48:10 GMT -5
Lack of empathy (in our case) is not really a major issue. It is the response to other's problems that is a larger issue In my experience with Asperger's it's often not the lack of empathy, but a difficult reacting appropriately to serious/kidding situations. As a building team, when we hear more than 1 person describe a student as acting 'paranoid' that makes us start suspecting Asperger's as a possibility. it's often not the lack of empathy, but the frustration and insecurity the student has with how to react socially that clues us in. And it's not real paranoia, but thats just how others see it when a student is so unsure of how to react. Much in the same way a teacher will start describing 'problem behaviors' in a student when the real cause is a learning disability that is frustrating the child and causing them to act out because they can't do the work.
|
|
|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 9, 2011 18:28:33 GMT -5
Lack of empathy (in our case) is not really a major issue. It is the response to other's problems that is a larger issue In my experience with Asperger's it's often not the lack of empathy, but a difficult reacting appropriately to serious/kidding situations. As a building team, when we hear more than 1 person describe a student as acting 'paranoid' that makes us start suspecting Asperger's as a possibility. it's often not the lack of empathy, but the frustration and insecurity the student has with how to react socially that clues us in. And it's not real paranoia, but thats just how others see it when a student is so unsure of how to react. Much in the same way a teacher will start describing 'problem behaviors' in a student when the real cause is a learning disability that is frustrating the child and causing them to act out because they can't do the work. You hit one of the nails on the head. My daughter is 11 and her dad died a bit over 2 years ago it is almost always "edgy" here. Frustration/ insecurity/ combined with a highly intellegent person ( tests high) arg
|
|
|
Post by BobArrgh on Apr 9, 2011 18:55:41 GMT -5
I have to say this Night conversation beats drink recipes. LightFoot, Septimus, Ed, and Hoopy Frood ... thanks for sharing.
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 9, 2011 18:56:22 GMT -5
so much for light fluff here. interesting discussion. very EDucational. it's good that in the cases mentioned there's was support from family. that makes a big difference.
|
|
|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 9, 2011 19:30:16 GMT -5
gcharlie remember where you got that phrase ( PPending)
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 9, 2011 20:14:07 GMT -5
gcharlie remember where you got that phrase ( PPending) ha ha ha! EDucation soon be trademarked?
|
|
|
Post by BobArrgh on Apr 10, 2011 9:39:32 GMT -5
@FCoD: A few weeks ago I created an account on your Mafia wiki site. I cannot figure out how to create a player profile page for "BobArrgh". Any pointers?
|
|
|
Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 10, 2011 11:23:46 GMT -5
Find a game of mine you played in, click your name (which should be a link) and it will tell you there is "no such page" and should ask if you want to generate one.
After that, I look at the coding for a pre-existing player profile page for tips.
|
|
|
Post by BobArrgh on Apr 10, 2011 13:09:47 GMT -5
Well, the only game of yours I've played in is on Giraffe. When I click on my name in this game, I just get taken to my profile on this board. I've created a "User" page on FCoD's wiki, but I don't see how to publish it: wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/User:BobArrgh
|
|
|
Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 10, 2011 13:16:24 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by LightFoot on Apr 10, 2011 15:45:08 GMT -5
gcharlie remember where you got that phrase ( PPending) ha ha ha! EDucation soon be trademarked? yep I may need ED's permission,but I am working on it
|
|
|
Post by julie on Apr 10, 2011 18:15:03 GMT -5
|
|