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Post by septimus on Apr 12, 2011 22:17:28 GMT -5
@ Septimus: So I guess we aren't going to get the answers to the questions that have been asked? Bummer. Would someone make a complete laundry list of the bumming questions asked but not answered? I will post my exact role PM, if/when I answer the rest of the laundry list. Will you also want my clarifying PM's to julie and her answers? I suppose you'll need to know exactly how many Snacks I received from the moderator every morning? (Other people answering similar question? Renata admits to an even-numbered increase Morning 1 and that's all.) One question I can answer very easily. sister coyote wonders why if I think she's Town, I might want to transfer Snacks to her. My assumption is that Snacks are somehow good, and that I should relinquish any I have before being misLynched or NK'ed. One question I won't try to answer is Ed's: If I were Scum, why would I play the way I have. I don't know the answer to that puzzle. I can't even tell you what I've done so wrong in this game, unless it really is as simple as just mentioning that I'm Town too often.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 12, 2011 22:36:07 GMT -5
On Septimus, in addition to the D2 case on him: He misrepresented his vote on LightfootHe never explained why he made the partial claim when he did He posted twice after FCoD's claim before commenting (on the tracker function and format of the claim), posted again before finally changing his vote when it was clear FCoD was not going to be saved from the lynch He misrepresented his role in the lynch of FCoDHe seems to have forgotten his case on me, another weak vote? His whole "I'm semi-confirmed" spiel He lied about his power being one-off but I understand that could have been an attempt at WIFOM but then why make a full claim so shortly after? On his role: We have 3 players confirming that they received Scooby Snacks from a mysterious benefactor. His claimed role is consistent with his obsession for Scooby Snacks and their purpose, quantity and distribution. We have the ability to transfer snacks openly. What purpose could secret transfers have for Town? Maybe his role was designed so he could simply transfer his own snacks, plus any snacks he received each Day, to a player who he suspected had a need for the snacks. But how would he suspect that? A breadcrumb? Surely scum would have a greater chance of picking up on a potential Town power breadcrum to make his role worthless. And if a Town power role who happened to require snacks was forced to claim, why couldn't he simply transfer his snacks openly? I'm not seeing a use for his role. As a scum power it makes sense if one or more of his scum buddies requires Scooby Snacks (Shaggy, for instance, who had a stash of snacks when he was arrested) and so he can secretly pass all his snacks without suspicion. I do think he's either misunderstood his role or is intentionally trying to pitch it as something much greater than its intended function, does he really expect people to hand over their Scooby Snacks so he can secretly redistribute them to people he thinks may need them? Vote SeptimusI agree with quiri here. Vote SeptimusIf someone actually has a Town role that would benefit from a secret transfer of Scooby Snacks to them at Night, then they should let us know. Septimus, why do you feel the need to answer the questions before you post the PM? Would the PM itself not answer some of the questions?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 12, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -5
@ Septimus: So I guess we aren't going to get the answers to the questions that have been asked? Bummer. Would someone make a complete laundry list of the bumming questions asked but not answered? I will post my exact role PM, if/when I answer the rest of the laundry list. Will you also want my clarifying PM's to julie and her answers? I suppose you'll need to know exactly how many Snacks I received from the moderator every morning? (Other people answering similar question? Renata admits to an even-numbered increase Morning 1 and that's all.) You asked how many were in her inbox that morning. Not how many were gained. It MAY be a small point............. BUT it MAY not. My PM's read " You begin the day with X# snacks"
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Post by septimus on Apr 12, 2011 23:12:38 GMT -5
I think this is every PM I've received this game. Howdy, septimus. Some kids might not remember you, but you are Scooby's brother, Yabba Doo, and you are here to fight crime and... wear a cowboy hat. Oh, but that's not all! You also have the ability to transfer Scooby Snacks during the Night, something no other player can do. You may even gain the ability to transfer them invisibly during the Day if things go your way. You may receive advice in the Night suggesting a possible target for your transfers of Snacks. You never have to take such advice. It will just be another point for you to consider. If the Scum is vanquished, you win along with the rest of the Town. Please check in: psychopathgame.proboards.com/inde....ati&thread=1599 Scooby Snacks « Message sent on Mar 27, 2011, 8:40am » You start the game with 2 Scooby Snacks. Snack transfer advice, Night 1 « Message sent on Apr 2, 2011, 5:14am » You have been given the advice to transfer Snacks to Special Ed. You may take or ignore this advice. Re: Snack transfer advice, Night 1 « Message sent on Apr 3, 2011, 1:47am » Quote: Hello julie, 1. Am I correct that no one but recipient will know anything about my snack transfer? Will those snacks be reported to him separately from any snacks he gets routinely in the morning? 2. Will my transfer advisor be the same player or faction every night? 3. Is he/they sending advice also to others or just to me? 4. Does he/they know me as Yabba Doo? And please answer any important questions I've overlooked for which the answer would be useful! ;D Best ever, septimus 1. They will know they have received Snacks. They will not know from where. 2. The same player. No comment on the other questions. Re: Snack transfer advice, Night 1 « Message sent on Apr 4, 2011, 12:51am » Quote: I intend to transfer zero Snacks toNight. (I hope toMorrow I will have a clearer idea of best action.) Noted. Scooby Snacks Day 2 « Message sent on Apr 4, 2011, 4:11am » You begin Day 2 with 7 Snacks. Re: Questions for role clarification « Message sent on Apr 9, 2011, 12:56am » Quote: If I transfer Snacks at Night, but am also killed (or driven from the Hotel) that Night, does the transfer succeed? Also: I assume I can transfer at Night to multiple people, right? Yes and yes. (Completely off-topic: Every time I see your avatar, I laugh.) Re: Questions for role clarification « Message sent on Apr 9, 2011, 9:56pm » Quote: I think I now have exactly five Snacks total in my account, right? Can I change a Transfer Order, if I do so before Dawn? If answers are Yes, please Transfer 5 Snacks to LightFoot More questions: ;D Will LightFoot get a special message about this Transfer, or will it just be included in his Morning 3 summary total? I might post an encrypted message (e.g. based on a single word like Lightfoot), perhaps using the assistance of a website like www.rot13.com/index.php . Would such a post, and its follow-up, violate the letter or spirit of the rules? Yes, you can change the order, however I do need it some time before Dawn because of other Night activities. By my calculations, yes, you have 5 Snacks. Recipients will receive a notification during the Night that they have received Snacks from an unknown source. Those Snacks will then also be included in the morning Snack PM. If you mean can you post something in the Day thread? Yes. If you mean can you send a secret message via the Snack transfer, then no. Re: Questions for role clarification « Message sent on Apr 10, 2011, 1:46am » Quote: Please revise my Transfer directions. Transfer 3 Snacks to Suburban Plankton Transfer 1 Snack to LightFoot Transfer 1 Snack to Renata (I should have waited for your answer before taking action. ) Noted. And no worries. Scooby Snacks Day 3 « Message sent on Apr 11, 2011, 6:55am » You begin the Day with 3 snacks. Re: Scooby Snacks Day 3 « Message sent Today at 10:42am » Quote: Julie, Sorry for fouling up my role in your very interesting Scooby Doo game. I'd suggest substituting me out, but that might be unfair to Scum. I still have the time and interest to play, but just play poorly). Question: Do I have your permission to repost all the PM's you and I have exchanged if I'm required to do this to avoid misLynch? (Reposting role PM itself is fine, right?) You may post anything I send you. As for the game, just play. Have fun. You aren't harming me in the slightest, okay?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 12, 2011 23:20:08 GMT -5
@ septimus D3 #149
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Post by guiri on Apr 13, 2011 4:54:25 GMT -5
Not sure what you meant by this, Guiri. I read her vote as being irritated by Lightfoot's claiming that she was Town, paraphrasing: "I'm voting you because you keep saying that you're Town. If you are Town, great, but there's no need to mention it so often."
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Post by guiri on Apr 13, 2011 5:36:08 GMT -5
Oh, but that's not all! You also have the ability to transfer Scooby Snacks during the Night, something no other player can do. It may be obvious that you needed to send a PM to the moderator with the name of the recipient and the quantity of Scooby Snacks you wished to send sometime before the end of each Night. Did you get instructions on how to use your power? Did you ever ask about this? How/when is it possible? Again, no mention of the mechanism. Did you ask how you were going to receive advice? If Bill was the sender of the advice, I wonder if he had a Day power (considering Julie sent the N1 advice less than an hour after Night fell). Why would it be unfair to scum?
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Post by septimus on Apr 13, 2011 6:58:49 GMT -5
I think this is every PM I've received this game. Let me repeat this in a larger font. "this is every PM I've received this game"It may be obvious that you needed to send a PM to the moderator with the name of the recipient and the quantity of Scooby Snacks you wished to send sometime before the end of each Night. Did you get instructions on how to use your power? Larger? "this is every PM I've received this game"Did you ever ask about this? How/when is it possible? "this is every PM I've received this game"Again, no mention of the mechanism. Did you ask how you were going to receive advice? How does this work for you: "this is every PM I've received this game"Try the "Zoom in" option of your browser if this still isn't visible. (Or try Google Translate for a rendition in your native language. )
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Post by special on Apr 13, 2011 7:06:02 GMT -5
dreaming was just color that you made up? I, myself, am the only certain Townie that I know of. I'm guessing the dream came via BillMc (Town Advisor), and implies mainly that he thought Ed was Town. I agree with this quote. So why, when you first described your visit from Bill, did you try to spin it as evidence that you were Town? All of this coupled with what I have to assume was a mild accusation that I might be a Godfather doesn't seem to add up. (I don't think you cleared that up, but I may have missed it) Things just aren't adding up. I've got to get to work and I've got a big meeting this morning. Thank goodness for student teachers! There are a couple of more things I think I'd like to research before commenting upon. Vote: septimus
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 7:16:04 GMT -5
Now I'm back to leaning town on Septimus.
In combination with Bill's role, I think it makes sense. Bill could have had a day power (or even a night power, and had to make a wild guess the first day) related to finding out who needs snacks and who does not. That would then conceivably allow the passing of snacks from townie to townie behind the scenes without the scum being any the wiser. It all fits together a little too neatly to be a scum ploy, I believe, at least a very likely one. Septimus was interested in snacks from the start, and mentioned Bill's advice (which makes sense of the role) early, not just now.
And yet he didn't put those two things together -- his best possible defense -- at all. I'm not sure he even realizes how convincing it is. Hence why it doesn't feel like something the scum cooked up.
Septimus, I'd like to see the first time you mentioned your advice from Bill, if you could find that for me. Unless there's anything there that looks not right, I expect I will unvote you.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 7:21:29 GMT -5
Not sure what you meant by this, Guiri. I read her vote as being irritated by Lightfoot's claiming that she was Town, paraphrasing: "I'm voting you because you keep saying that you're Town. If you are Town, great, but there's no need to mention it so often." Yes, I read it that way, too. It seemed you were pointing something out about that particular phrase, but you've never made it explicit. Could you please clarify?
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Post by septimus on Apr 13, 2011 7:44:09 GMT -5
1. Now I'm back to leaning town on Septimus. In combination with Bill's role, I think it makes sense. Bill could have had a day power (or even a night power, and had to make a wild guess the first day) related to finding out who needs snacks and who does not. That would then conceivably allow the passing of snacks from townie to townie behind the scenes without the scum being any the wiser. It all fits together a little too neatly to be a scum ploy, I believe, at least a very likely one. Septimus was interested in snacks from the start, and mentioned Bill's advice (which makes sense of the role) early, not just now. 2. And yet he didn't put those two things together -- his best possible defense -- at all. I'm not sure he even realizes how convincing it is. Hence why it doesn't feel like something the scum cooked up. 3. Septimus, I'd like to see the first time you mentioned your advice from Bill, if you could find that for me. Unless there's anything there that looks not right, I expect I will unvote you. 1. I agree. I felt that the storyline was so strongly "pro-Town" that it was "obvious." Indeed, what was the case against me built on? A peculiar unmotivated theft invention ?? (That argues in my favor anyway.) 2. I think you may be right. The obviousness seemed so, well, obvious, that I didn't post a Connect-the-dots dissertation. Instead I was waiting for a case to be made. Please someone. Summarize the case that was ever made against me. I think "exaggerating his import to the Lynch Fcod movement" was the strongest evidence ever presented. Only the flimsiest of possible scum motives were ever suggested. special ed was first (or only! ) to himself point out the charges suggested no motive. (And, when Townies failed to think of one, came to their rescue to claim he was worried about his being stolen.) If you're only "leaning town on septimus" don't bother to move your vote. Lynch me now; here I'll help. Vote: SeptimusI'm pretty sure Septimus is Town, and I don't want to stop playing. But if this vote means I lose 5-3 or 5-4 against whoever the other candidate is -- suburban? special ed?? -- Then so be it. I did say earlier that the scum-voting against me would be a good source of scum-hunting in future. I'm surprised, frankly, by the scum-charges against me, and ask all players (after I flip Town) what the motives were for these distractions. My biggest regret is lacking the patience to string things together (especially against a background of "Not voting Ed? Nice."), so as to make even more evidence for scum-hunting.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 7:49:21 GMT -5
Sadly, I think your behavior offers enough cover for scum to hide their votes in with confidence, if you are in fact town. The reasons I myself still have doubts haven't even been mentioned yet, but they're out there.
A little advice for the future if so -- don't exaggerate, don't embellish, and don't make vague claims if there is any chance at all that it might come back so as to make actual townies more suspicious of you.
Can you find me the location of that second quote Special Ed pulled up? I don't know where in day two it was.
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Post by guiri on Apr 13, 2011 8:00:00 GMT -5
I read her vote as being irritated by Lightfoot's claiming that she was Town, paraphrasing: "I'm voting you because you keep saying that you're Town. If you are Town, great, but there's no need to mention it so often." Yes, I read it that way, too. It seemed you were pointing something out about that particular phrase, but you've never made it explicit. Could you please clarify? The "great" seemed completely out of place. It looks like Joanie was voting Lightfoot out of irritation - irrespective of alignment - and wasn't accusing her of being scum.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 8:04:21 GMT -5
That's what I thought you meant, but you didn't quite say it. Do you think it makes her more or less likely to be scum, that she put it that way? What about her latest post?
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Post by septimus on Apr 13, 2011 8:06:28 GMT -5
My first Post on Day 2 mentioned the dream: Would passing Snacks back and forth incur some penalty? It seemed as likely to me that it might be a benefit. Sadly, I think your behavior offers enough cover for scum to hide their votes in with confidence, if you are in fact town. Can you find me the location of that second quote Special Ed pulled up? I don't know where in day two it was. Sorry for the poor behaviour. What was the quote, exactly? I'll try to find it for you. My first mention of the Advisor apart from a "dream" I think was my message of Midday April 7 (U.S.A. time). It was also the post where I first claimed, shown below in its entirety.
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Post by guiri on Apr 13, 2011 8:34:12 GMT -5
That's what I thought you meant, but you didn't quite say it. Do you think it makes her more or less likely to be scum, that she put it that way? What about her latest post? The ping I got from the reasoning, wording, timing and target of the vote makes me lean scum. The fact that she happened to post shortly after being poked bothers me - lurking or coincidence - and the fact that she has absolutely no strong feelings doesn't help but, as ever, I need a better read to determine how much is due to her newbieness and how much she's a scheming scum.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 9:45:18 GMT -5
unvote[/color]
I dont' think Septimus is scum.
1. The role PM as given, with the connection to Bill's role, makes NO sense for scum whatsoever. A town player with a role to give advice on snack-giving to a scum player would be a horrible nasty evil role and Julie would never hear the end of it. I don't see it, personally. Splitting up a town-friendly role this way, however, does make perfect sense (I had a role myself once that was like this.)
That means the question becomes, was it made up? It's worth noting that the role I refer to was in Storyteller's last SDMB game, and Storyteller was scum here. He could have helped. However, Septimus would have had no way of knowing prior to morning two that he had any chance of incorporating Bill's advice into his role for added towniness. He clearly did get a message from Bill, given his posting of it right after dawn (too little time, presumably, to cook up any grand scheme) and given no one else has claimed to get any advice from Bill.
So,
2. Septimus is only scum if Bill did send him advice, but that advice did NOT have anything to do with Septimus' actual role. (But rather was something more like my first speculation, that it was a forced protection or some such.) In which case the scum would have had to spend rather a lot of effort working on this PM to get it to match so perfectly everything Septimus and Bill have done and said. 3. They did not give a lot of effort to FCOD's PM. 4. Storyteller (the most likely person in the game to be able to make such a nice match) died at dawn. 5. Septimus took two days after that to post his PM, and 6. Even when he did, he never brought up as a defense the most convincing part of it to me, which is the connection to Bill. So in addition to producing the PM, and potentially holding off on its full prime-time release, scum would have had to caution Septimus AGAINST making an issue of the best evidence he has in his favor -- why? Just to get in my personal blind spot? I don't think so.
I'll take Occam's razor here; Septimus is town.
Also, vote: Julie[/color]
Though Guiri's right about the "great if he's town" thing, it would not be enough in itself. However, the most recent post, which in effect blames Julie's lack of catching up on scooby-snack confusion, is a bit much. You don't have to understand scooby-snacks to hunt scum.
(Also note my feeling that SP is likelier PFK than scum for why I'm not switching back to him.)
Stillworking on gnarlycharlie.
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Post by special on Apr 13, 2011 10:20:45 GMT -5
[/color] I dont' think Septimus is scum. 1. The role PM as given, with the connection to Bill's role, makes NO sense for scum whatsoever. A town player with a role to give advice on snack-giving to a scum player would be a horrible nasty evil role and Julie would never hear the end of it. I don't see it, personally. Splitting up a town-friendly role this way, however, does make perfect sense (I had a role myself once that was like this.)[/quote] Of course, a Scum making up a use for a dead Town role that cannot be accurately described makes some sense, no? I eman, do we believe that the Towna dvisor's role was as septimus describes it? [ That means the question becomes, was it made up? It's worth noting that the role I refer to was in Storyteller's last SDMB game, and Storyteller was scum here. He could have helped. However, Septimus would have had no way of knowing prior to morning two that he had any chance of incorporating Bill's advice into his role for added towniness. He clearly did get a message from Bill, given his posting of it right after dawn (too little time, presumably, to cook up any grand scheme) and given no one else has claimed to get any advice from Bill.[/qoute] Or septimus found a good use for his 'dreamt about Ed' comment. [ So, 2. Septimus is only scum if Bill did send him advice, but that advice did NOT have anything to do with Septimus' actual role. (But rather was something more like my first speculation, that it was a forced protection or some such.) In which case the scum would have had to spend rather a lot of effort working on this PM to get it to match so perfectly everything Septimus and Bill have done and said. It doesn't seem like that much effort. I especially don't like the disconnect between the dreaming breadcrumb and the PM that just stated advice was given. [ 3. They did not give a lot of effort to FCOD's PM. Therefore they couldn't have spent effort trying to save septimus? [ 4. Storyteller (the most likely person in the game to be able to make such a nice match) died at dawn. Please explain in more detail why it's such a nice match? 1. Oh look, a dead advisor. 2. Let me incorporate that into my made-up role Also, I think you're fully capable of doing something like that ;D [ 5. Septimus took two days after that to post his PM, and Yeah, he needed time. [ 6. Even when he did, he never brought up as a defense the most convincing part of it to me, which is the connection to Bill. So in addition to producing the PM, and potentially holding off on its full prime-time release, scum would have had to caution Septimus AGAINST making an issue of the best evidence he has in his favor -- why? Just to get in my personal blind spot? I don't think so. explain again why the connection to Bill is so strong? Explain again why he didn't mention it right off the bad, but only breadcrumbed something about a dream in a very fluffy fashion. [ I'll take Occam's razor here; Septimus is town. Also, vote: Julie[/color][/quote] Julie is the mod.
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Post by julie on Apr 13, 2011 10:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 10:31:06 GMT -5
LOL. That has to be about the third time I've tried to make that mistake, first time it's actually slipped through.
unvote THE MOD[/color] vote: Joanie[/color]
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Post by julie on Apr 13, 2011 10:41:32 GMT -5
Vote Count:
*septimus: 5 (Sister Coyote 135, guiri 136, MentalGuy 151, Special Ed 158, septimus 161)
greedy smurf: 1 (LightFoot 149)
Joanie: 1 (Renata 170)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 5)
Idle Thoughts: +1 (Special Ed 5)
gnarlycharlie: +1 (Special Ed 5)
Joanie: +1 (Special Ed 5)
Renata: +1 (Special Ed 5)
BobArrgh: +1 (scuzzlebutt 80)
gnarlycharlie: +1 (BobArggh 105)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 10:45:29 GMT -5
@ Ed -- well, I don't really think I'm going to win this one; Septimus' behavior has been too odd. But I'm still going to say what I think. How does it match?
-- Septimus was fishing about Scooby Snacks on day one. Remember Paranoia's FOS? Proportionally more likely to be done by town as a general rule (IMO) and supports that his role has something to do with snacks. -- Has demonstrated ability to give out snacks secretly at night. -- Was contacted by Bill overnight night one, for some purpose to do with Special Ed. -- Bill was an "advisor", and town.
Either Bill's role and Septimus' role are linked in the way that Septimus currently claims, or Bill's targeting of Septimus to help Ed was pure chance (AND all the other things I mentioned had to be done properly.) This alone would be enough for an unvote on my part, due to the long odds. Add that Bill's role was specifically "ADVISOR" and that Septimus mentions being advised (which makes MORE sense than his initial characterization of the PM as a dream, not less (as you'd expect if it had been shoe-horned into a pre-existing scum role).
I don't like Septimus' liberties with the description of the information he has. I don't like his delay in the full reveal. I don't like something else that crossed my mind and then vanished into the ether when the phone rang. I don't like lots of things. But I do think the role as described makes a great deal of sense as a town role when taken in conjunction with Bill being an "adviser". A lot more sense than my own first guess.
I'll take the compliment in the spirit in which it was meant. We need a :bow: smily around here.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 10:47:42 GMT -5
Missed a "---" point there at the end:
-- It makes sense that Bill would have been advising him on the use of his otherwise inexplicable role.
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Post by special on Apr 13, 2011 10:56:46 GMT -5
[quote author=nphase board=wati thread=1613 post=76911 time=1302709529-- Was contacted by Bill overnight night one, for some purpose to do with Special Ed. [/quote]
This is conjecture. We have no evidence that Bill actually contacted him.
it is very unlike you to take him at his word.
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Post by guiri on Apr 13, 2011 10:59:30 GMT -5
My case against Septimus, in #136, had three parts: - lots of scummy play - I believed his role is as claimed but couldn't see a Town use for it - his interpretation of his role as the Robin Hood of Scooby-Doo and the request to players who need snacks to identify themselves given his own concerns that they'd become juicy targets for scum
The incorporation of the Town Advisor's nightly suggestion on who should receive the snacks partially addresses the second part of my vote, not the other two.
However, doesn't it seem like a pretty extravagant method of giving a couple of snacks a Day to someone who may or may not need them and may or may not be scum? It really would require the Town Advisor to have some sort of investigative power (or to be an amazing player, which Bill is) to make it worthwhile, we won't know.
But then the claimed role PM has a number of gaps in it, mainly regarding mechanisms, just like FCoD's. Septimus doesn't appear to have asked for clarification or information. I would have thought that the mechanism for sending snacks, for being able to send snacks during the Day and for receiving advice would be pretty important things to ask the mod about. I think he's only sharing a part of what he knows.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 13, 2011 11:24:40 GMT -5
Regarding septimus, the decision seems very simple.
All I have to do is divine from what I know of him: is he the sort of man who would make a false claim as Scum, or a true claim as Town? Now, a clever man would make a true claim, though he would know that only a great fool would believe all claims. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not believe his claim. But he must have known I was not a great fool, he would have counted on it, so I can clearly not doubt his claim.
But septimus comes from Thailand, as everyone knows, and Thailand is entirely peopled Buddhist people, and Buddhists are used to having people not trust them (because really, who can be that gentle? c'mon...), as he is not trusted by me, so I can clearly not believe his claim.
But he must have suspected I would have known his origin, so I can clearly not doubt his claim.
He's twice voted for FCOD (AKA Shaggy the Dog Catcher), so he could've made a false claim, trusting on the strength of his voting record to save him, so I can clearly not trust his claim. But, he's also seen three players killed last Night, and in seeing that he must have learned that we are all mortal, so he would have made a true claim, so I can clearly not doubt him.
Wallace Shawn would be proud.
So, septimus can transfer Snacks secretly at Night. And he's told that someone might 'advise' him where to send Snacks. Lo and behold, he gets advice from Bill on Night 1, to send Snacks to Ed!
So, how did Bill know that Ed is Town? It doesn't make any sense that Bill could have discovered information about Ed and passed along his advice to septimus in the same Night. Was Bill given that information at the start of the game? That seems to make for an awfully powerful combination of Powers.
Or did Bill simply guess about Ed? Why is septimus so certain that Bill's advice was sound?
And assuming it is, what use does Ed have for Scooby Snacks? Is he supposed to use them to buy his way out of confinement if he is kidnapped? If he has that ability, then why would he need someone to rescue him? If Bill was so certain that Ed needed Scooby Snacks that he secretly passed that information along to septimus, then why is Ed seemingly giving all of his Snacks away? Does Ed not know what Bill knew?
I just don't buy it. Something stinks here, and I think it's Yabba Doo.
vote septimus
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 11:28:35 GMT -5
[quote author=nphase board=wati thread=1613 post=76911 time=1302709529-- Was contacted by Bill overnight night one, for some purpose to do with Special Ed. This is conjecture. We have no evidence that Bill actually contacted him. it is very unlike you to take him at his word.[/quote] It's extremely unlikely that he got nothing from Bill, given that Bill flipped as Advisor only that same morning, and given that a scum Septimus (had he gotten nothing and inexplicably decided to co-opt Bill's role for his own purposes at a point where he was not yet even under suspicion) could have had no reason to believe Bill had not contacted someone ELSE, for real, who might have counterclaimed or challenged on details that Septimus couldn' t know. Septimus getting *something* originating from Bill is about the safest assumption there is in this whole mess. You can challenge me on whatever you like, but on this point you have no grounds.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 11:32:02 GMT -5
Oh. And of course it would just occur to me that Bill might have advised a different one of the scum, in which case Septimus would know the details after all. There still stands the issue of why Septimus would choose to be the one to claim the contact (especially given a small chance it could be contradicted by a hypothetical town power in the right place at the right time), but it's not quite as clear cut as I thought. Close enough for me, though.
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Post by Renata on Apr 13, 2011 11:37:03 GMT -5
So, how did Bill know that Ed is Town? It doesn't make any sense that Bill could have discovered information about Ed and passed along his advice to septimus in the same Night. Was Bill given that information at the start of the game? That seems to make for an awfully powerful combination of Powers. This is just ridiculous, SP, and does not improve my opinion of you. By the end of day one, Mental Guy and Ed were the consensus townies, and MG the more likely of the two to be targeted by scum. Ergo -- Ed is left. There is no mystery here at all, and I think you are just stirring the pot. He wasn't. You'll note he claims to have sent no snacks that night. This has nothing to do with anything. Can somebody exert some force against this guy tonight? Please? The whole post is nothing more than a mess of word-salad to arrive at a pre-drawn conclusion.
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