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Post by julie on Apr 17, 2011 19:11:25 GMT -5
The sun rises. The guests gather, yawning, in the foyer.Guest 1: ( sounding tired) I heard screams again. I don't know how much longer I can take this! Guest 2: From the library again. Velma: And look! She holds up a sheet with two holes cut, as if for eyes.Velma: Joanie is gone and left this behind! Everyone looks around expectantly, but nothing else happens. Disappointed, they shuffle away.Joanie, AKA Lou Bradley, AKA Scum Ghost, shuffled off this hotel coil and into the night.
*** Day 4 will end April 22 at 3 pm.
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Post by Joanie on Apr 17, 2011 19:28:45 GMT -5
Bummer!
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Post by Joanie on Apr 17, 2011 19:29:50 GMT -5
Spoilers please
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 17, 2011 19:37:12 GMT -5
Joanie is town which puts gnarlycharlie at the top of my suspect list. He voted for BillMc on day 1 and Paranoia (sp?) on day 2 and now the dearly departed Joanie on day 3.
Over the night I have been looking back at the voting and I will change my potential town list. If I believe Septimus which I am not saying I 100% do, this puts Renata on the top of my suspicion list.
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Post by special on Apr 17, 2011 19:47:24 GMT -5
Joanie is town which puts gnarlycharlie at the top of my suspect list. He voted for BillMc on day 1 and Paranoia (sp?) on day 2 and now the dearly departed Joanie on day 3. Over the night I have been looking back at the voting and I will change my potential town list. If I believe Septimus which I am not saying I 100% do, this puts Renata on the top of my suspicion list. So you vote based solely on if people vote for Town or Scum? Really? and, not to blow holes in your suspicion list, but Joanie sure looks Scummy from here.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 17, 2011 19:54:36 GMT -5
Joanie is town which puts gnarlycharlie at the top of my suspect list. He voted for BillMc on day 1 and Paranoia (sp?) on day 2 and now the dearly departed Joanie on day 3. Over the night I have been looking back at the voting and I will change my potential town list. If I believe Septimus which I am not saying I 100% do, this puts Renata on the top of my suspicion list. So you vote based solely on if people vote for Town or Scum? Really? and, not to blow holes in your suspicion list, but Joanie sure looks Scummy from here. I don't vote based on any one thing. I know scum can vote for scum and town vote for town all the time. I place people on my suspect list based on it, doesn't mean I vote for them. I know that words can tell a tale as well. Just putting my thoughts out there.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 17, 2011 19:57:03 GMT -5
Really confused. SCUM was NKilled. So SCUM was blocked from their target. and another killed JOANIE. Am I reading that right?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 17, 2011 20:05:42 GMT -5
Not always, Lightfoot. Scum do have the option of choosing not to kill anyone, too. It's possible they chose to not Night kill (although what good that would do, I have no idea).
So that's four scum down, so far. I wouldn't expect any more than five in a game of this size. Actually, with 22 players and five scum, that strikes me as being a lot of scum (If I were modding a game, I'd give a 22 player game four or even three scum--but that's just personal preference, I guess).
At the start, the rules said there was limited recruitment, so it makes me wonder if there were 4 original scum and the chance to recruit someone else. If that's the case, they had to have recruited then, otherwise the game would be over (or there could just be five original scum--but that wouldn't explain the "limited recruitment" line).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 17, 2011 20:07:19 GMT -5
Joanie is town which puts gnarlycharlie at the top of my suspect list. He voted for BillMc on day 1 and Paranoia (sp?) on day 2 and now the dearly departed Joanie on day 3. Over the night I have been looking back at the voting and I will change my potential town list. If I believe Septimus which I am not saying I 100% do, this puts Renata on the top of my suspicion list. So you vote based solely on if people vote for Town or Scum? Really? and, not to blow holes in your suspicion list, but Joanie sure looks Scummy from here. She (as Town) did this in my game too (which was her first game). I kept slapping my forehead each time she (and others--many others did it too, since they were all newbies) did it. Yeah, Scuzzlebutt..it's not a smart move to vote just based on who voted for who.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 17, 2011 20:07:52 GMT -5
Dammit, I typed what I wanted to say inside the quote above. Julie, think you can fix it, please?
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Post by julie on Apr 17, 2011 20:11:02 GMT -5
Dammit, I typed what I wanted to say inside the quote above. Julie, think you can fix it, please? I altered the post to bring your reply to the bottom. Please double check that to make sure I did it correctly?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 17, 2011 20:19:13 GMT -5
You did, thanks much!
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Post by Renata on Apr 17, 2011 20:28:10 GMT -5
Well OK. I think that makes you look rather good actually, at least from a probable-scum standpoint. I don't follow your reasoning.
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Post by Renata on Apr 17, 2011 20:30:43 GMT -5
Really confused. SCUM was NKilled. So SCUM was blocked from their target. and another killed JOANIE. Am I reading that right? More complicated than that potentially, since we had one night with three kills. I think it's fairly safe to chalk Joanie's death up to a vig, but the lack of other kill(s) is ambiguous.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 17, 2011 20:33:49 GMT -5
As I said yesterDay with additional
scuzzlebutt 1. edited Day 1 (can't vote) 2. D2 followed Storyteller bussing (is that the right term?) on FCOD 3. D3 Happy birthday ( will not be involved with this DAY) 4. later D3 Voted Cap Pinkies before the band wagon ( a safe vote for TOWN cred /or SCUM already knew he was going to self destruct?) 5. The post beginning of this day is just.... looks like a poorly written CYA comment without addressing my earlier vote reasoning
Vote scuzzlebutt
Not a power role I don't think but still SCUM
@ JULIE I posted in the wrong thread. can I delete or shall you (D3)
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Post by Renata on Apr 17, 2011 20:36:57 GMT -5
She (as Town) did this in my game too (which was her first game). Are you referring to Scuzzlebutt here? Also, about the limited recruitment, I've been taking it as a reference to Daphne's potential kidnapping. I'm not sure that's correct. And hypothetically speaking the game could still be continuing due to PFK(s) alone, though I see no reason to expect that's the case unless I missed something in the rules saying there aren't any.
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Post by Renata on Apr 17, 2011 20:40:14 GMT -5
Lightfoot --
Scuzzlebutt referred to Joanie as town and produced a case which depends on her having been town, only 22 minute after the start of the day. One minute after that, Julie edited the dawn post in some fashion.
Occam's Razor says Julie made a mistake and Scuzzlebutt didn't realize it was wrong, ergo Scuzzle isn't scum.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 17, 2011 20:43:55 GMT -5
I cannot think of a reason why SCUM would NOT try to NK someone . And there is no benefit that I can see to them killing their own. So either they tried to NK me, Or another player that was protected.
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The NK of Joanie is a bonus for TOWN but if it was not a one shot deal we have a SK , right?
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Post by septimus on Apr 17, 2011 20:44:57 GMT -5
Blowing my own horn, let me remind fellow Townies that I was first to identify the scummy Story: There's one player who's posted but seven times in the entire game, and most of these posts were fluff. The only long post was to vote me, after drawing the oppostie inference from story's smudge of me: ... This is big metagame comment, but Storyteller had a real helpful and really insightful post early in the day. I know Storey is one hell of a good mafia player, and I always think back to one of the games where he was the mostly helpful insightful poster in the whole game............and was scum. Sorry Storey, not trying to suggest that is the case here, and please no one take it as a smudge, it is just more of a personal comment about the mental gymanstics going on in my head right now, and interesting things your mind leaps to when you get paranoid and have little to no info. ... Vote septimus. I'm doubtful that Greedy is actually Scum, but propose we force the inactive player to role-claim: Vote: Greedy Smurf
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Post by special on Apr 17, 2011 20:46:41 GMT -5
Let's see how this looks
Day 1 Vote Count[/size]
Archangel 4 Renata (245 355), Mental Guy (319), BillMc (331), FCOD (349), Mr Special Ed (382) FCOD 3 Archangel (377), septimus (404), Lightfoot (477)
Mr Special Ed 2 Suburban Plankton (92), Mental Guy (147 194), Joanie (156), Idle Thoughts (166 187), Special Ed (179 248), Archangel (217 252), Renata (225 245), Captain Pinkies (227 256)
Paranoia 2 Renata (94 195 200 225 469), guiri (272)
BillMc 2 Captain Pinkies (400), gnarlycharlie (471)
Lightfoot 1 Renata (355 469), Inner Stickler (401)
septimus 1 romanic (412)
scuzzlebutt 1 Sister Coyote (457)
Inner Stickler 0 Lightfoot (402 477)
Captain Pinkies 0 Mr Special Ed (49 179)
Mental Guy 0 Renata (195 200)
Renata 0 Archangel (252 358)
Sister Coyote Suburban Plankton BobArrgh gnarlycharlie Greedy Smurf Joanie storyteller romanic guiri
Not Voting Bobarrgh Idle Thoughts Greedy Smurf Scuzzlebutt storyteller Paranoia
Snack Transfers
Septimus Idle thoughts +1
Special Ed Archangel +2
romanic Septimus +1
Mental Guy Special Ed +1
Archangel Special Ed +1
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Post by julie on Apr 17, 2011 20:47:26 GMT -5
Lightfoot -- Scuzzlebutt referred to Joanie as town and produced a case which depends on her having been town, only 22 minute after the start of the day. One minute after that, Julie edited the dawn post in some fashion. Occam's Razor says Julie made a mistake and Scuzzlebutt didn't realize it was wrong, ergo Scuzzle isn't scum. I had done the result in bold red, and it had the role of "Ghost." I edited it to say "Scum Ghost" just to be as clear as possible.
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Post by special on Apr 17, 2011 20:47:45 GMT -5
I would suggest that we all claim at this point.
I;m not demanding it, but I do think it will be helpful. Especially if any investigators have any results
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 17, 2011 20:49:29 GMT -5
Lightfoot -- Scuzzlebutt referred to Joanie as town and produced a case which depends on her having been town, only 22 minute after the start of the day. One minute after that, Julie edited the dawn post in some fashion. Occam's Razor says Julie made a mistake and Scuzzlebutt didn't realize it was wrong, ergo Scuzzle isn't scum. It proves nothing to me Renata May I have this verified Julie?
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Post by julie on Apr 17, 2011 20:51:24 GMT -5
Lightfoot -- Scuzzlebutt referred to Joanie as town and produced a case which depends on her having been town, only 22 minute after the start of the day. One minute after that, Julie edited the dawn post in some fashion. Occam's Razor says Julie made a mistake and Scuzzlebutt didn't realize it was wrong, ergo Scuzzle isn't scum. It proves nothing to me Renata May I have this verified Julie? I am not sure what you want me to verify.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 17, 2011 20:54:12 GMT -5
Joanie is town which puts gnarlycharlie at the top of my suspect list. He voted for BillMc on day 1 and Paranoia (sp?) on day 2 and now the dearly departed Joanie on day 3. Over the night I have been looking back at the voting and I will change my potential town list. If I believe Septimus which I am not saying I 100% do, this puts Renata on the top of my suspicion list. i finally get one right and i still get grief. but due to Renata's observation that Julie edited the opening post after Scuzzle posted, i will ask: Were the changes you made in the first post related to Joanie's alignment?
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Post by Renata on Apr 17, 2011 20:56:13 GMT -5
I would suggest that we all claim at this point. I;m not demanding it, but I do think it will be helpful. Especially if any investigators have any results I agree with this.
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Post by julie on Apr 17, 2011 20:56:56 GMT -5
As I said in post 20: I had done the result in bold red, and it had the role of "Ghost." I edited it to say "Scum Ghost" just to be as clear as possible.
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Post by special on Apr 17, 2011 20:57:06 GMT -5
I think I might regret posting vote counts.
Let me make a request of everyone.
Please, don't vote for someone jsut because they voted for Town every Day over someone who voted for Scum.
See, Scum can easily vote for fellow Scum, and will, to make that type of analysis worthless.
A more involved analysis that takes into consideration that Scum is motivated to vote for other Scum as well as might be motivated to save a teammate from time to time or bus them as they see fit.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 17, 2011 21:00:43 GMT -5
As I said in post 20: I had done the result in bold red, and it had the role of "Ghost." I edited it to say "Scum Ghost" just to be as clear as possible. Red denotes SCUM. neither alliance was mentioned but it was implied. I still think scuzzlebutt should speak for herself on this
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Post by julie on Apr 17, 2011 21:04:41 GMT -5
@ JULIE I posted in the wrong thread. can I delete or shall you (D3) I deleted your post.
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