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Post by Sister Coyote on May 1, 2011 17:00:55 GMT -5
For those who are watching and don't necessarily want spoilers. If you DO want spoilers, probably best to drop me a note here, as I expect my PMs are going to be somewhat busy.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on May 2, 2011 12:37:47 GMT -5
I'll take spoilers, please.
(Sorry sent you a PM first before reading this.)
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 2, 2011 12:38:45 GMT -5
No problem -- you should have the spoilers.
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Post by Duvsie on May 2, 2011 14:04:29 GMT -5
I'd like to be spoiled too please.
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Post by miami2k2 on May 2, 2011 20:40:20 GMT -5
I would like the spoilers also please.
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Post by special on May 16, 2011 17:43:55 GMT -5
Dirk
It's a cross between Dirx and dick
I like it!
Kidding, I'm kidding!
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Post by LightFoot on May 30, 2011 10:55:27 GMT -5
Hello all. SisC you can spoil me now too
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Post by Dirx on May 31, 2011 21:04:48 GMT -5
Dirk It's a cross between Dirx and dick I like it! Kidding, I'm kidding! Heh, yeah, my name's been warped to "Dick" by schoolyard teasers more times than I can count. But that was intentional. I have no idea where "Dirk," "Dirks" and the bizarrely capitalized "DirX" keep coming from.
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Post by special on May 31, 2011 21:06:03 GMT -5
Dirk It's a cross between Dirx and dick I like it! Kidding, I'm kidding! Heh, yeah, my name's been warped to "Dick" by schoolyard teasers more times than I can count. But that was intentional. I have no idea where "Dirk," "Dirks" and the bizarrely capitalized "DirX" keep coming from. too many problems with DirectX, perhaps
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 31, 2011 21:32:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it's DirectX and ActiveX that end up having me cap that last X.
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Post by Dirx on May 31, 2011 21:42:51 GMT -5
Ahh, I see.
I could make a plugin joke, but I'm above that.*
*No I'm not, I just can't think of a good one on the fly.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jun 1, 2011 0:57:52 GMT -5
I wish to be like manna on the sabbath- spoiled.
Please?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 3, 2011 19:29:11 GMT -5
I guess I'll be dead in ~30 mins and board my flight back to blighty in about 25. Spoilers please.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 3, 2011 19:44:16 GMT -5
You can spoil me as well. Thanks!
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 6, 2011 3:11:39 GMT -5
Spoil me please, I want to know just how far wrong I was.
If anyone wants to ask me anything while waiting, feel free.
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Post by sachertorte on Jun 6, 2011 15:23:35 GMT -5
Not much discussion here but I'll state my thoughts here so storyteller can read them later if he bothers to read this thread.
I completely agreed with his decision to kill Bill. Last week I was skimming the thread (yes I skim), and I kept telling myself that storyteller should vig Bill. I knew it was a hard thing to do and I was convinced that storyteller wouldn't do it, but every point storyteller made was bothering me as well. It's too easy for me-out-or-game to see that Bill needed to die. I'm much more impressed that storyteller-in-game bit the bullet and went ahead and did it.
Bill's claims were clearly motivated by the desire to live... the need to live to the endgame. That screams PFK far more than someone who "is Town" or "has already won." In other words, Bill was clearly not being honest and that is reason enough for storyteller to have killed him.
Now if storyteller turns out to be scum, then I'll be less impressed. But either way, killing Bill was the correct move... ESPECIALLY since Town were utterly unwilling to lynch Bill... ever.
On Bill's part, he probably did the right things too. It was only storyteller pushing against Bill, and if storyteller didn't have the power to kill Bill, Bill probably would have survived to endgame. Claiming survivor would have been an option too, especially with the investigation results breaking his way. Claiming survivor would probably lead to a Guiri lynch, which if also a survivor would make Bill look bad, but it would be a viable but risky strategy. Sticking with an "I'm Town" claim would be bad for Bill as he rightly realized that scum were in a position to kill him at night.
Anyway, I'm on storyteller's side on this one and I don't understand Moley's problem with what storyteller did.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 10, 2011 3:18:10 GMT -5
Well I *WAS* Town, and there was no need for town to lynch me, ever. And no, I did not need to be alive at the end game.
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Post by sachertorte on Jun 10, 2011 9:45:52 GMT -5
That's all fine and good, but no one else can know that. Your explicit behavior in the game indicated a strong predilection for staying alive to the point that you were taking actions that were anti-town. In other words, the most plausible explanation for your night-kill saga was that you didn't want scum to attempt to kill you. That leads to an inconsistency in your story.
If you were Town and had nightkill immunity, you should have stayed silent about it and hoped that scum would kill you. You didn't do that, and storyteller could not explain it. A PFK announcing nightkill immunity makes far more sense.
Sometimes Town kills a Townie because of stupidity on the part of the Town. Sometimes the Townie hands out ample reason to get themselves lynched. In this case, I feel that storyteller had sufficient reasons to justify his action.
That you were Town and didn't need to survive makes me wonder why on Earth did you false claim nightkill immunity?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 10, 2011 16:25:59 GMT -5
That you were Town and didn't need to survive makes me wonder why on Earth did you false claim nightkill immunity? I never falsely claimed anything.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jun 11, 2011 16:57:09 GMT -5
Sach,
Bill never he said he had any kind of nightkill resistance or immunity once he became town. He claimed he had resistance before he became town when he was still looking for Alice, and lost that upon becoming town.
Now, whether he's being truthful I won't comment on.
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Post by sachertorte on Jun 12, 2011 10:06:09 GMT -5
Huh.
That's weird. Then what was storyteller going on about? This is what sucks about third party roles. There is little reason to believe them and a whole bunch of reasons to kill them off 'just in case,' which seems to be what happened here. Frankly, I'm surprised guiri is still alive.
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Post by septimus on Jun 12, 2011 22:49:17 GMT -5
I completely agreed with his decision to kill Bill. Interesting. I've moved to the opposite view, and now think Story is Scum. (One tell is that he pretended to ask me for advice! ) Sister Coyote, please spoil me.
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Post by sachertorte on Jun 13, 2011 8:29:14 GMT -5
Well, my "complete" agreement with storyteller was based on a skim read which apparently misunderstood the details of Bill's night immunity claim. Without that piece, I don't know what was going on in storyteller's head. I suppose a "just in case" case could be made, but that isn't how I skimmed it.
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Post by sachertorte on Jun 13, 2011 12:37:46 GMT -5
Wow. I'm really not paying attention. So this gnarlycharlie dude has an 'informational' and 'killing' power? Even with drawbacks, that sounds like a crazy power for town. PFK, not so much.
Kill him!
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Post by special on Jun 13, 2011 16:24:07 GMT -5
Wow. I'm really not paying attention. So this gnarlycharlie dude has an 'informational' and 'killing' power? Even with drawbacks, that sounds like a crazy power for town. PFK, not so much. Kill him! There is a set list of potential roles someone could have. In the rules: Roles will be drawn from the following list. There may be some role duplication, and any variant of any role is possible, from the straightforward to non-standard developments of the Mod's. - Watcher
- Vigilante
- Vanilla
- Survivor
- Strongman
- Serial Killer
- Scotsman
- Roleblocker
- Politician
- Mad Bomber
- Lie Detector
- Jack of All Trades
- Gossip
- Godfather
- Doctor
- Cop
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Post by sachertorte on Jun 14, 2011 9:40:47 GMT -5
[ There is a set list of potential roles someone could have. ? So the role exists. That doesn't prove Townness. My point is that the role Investigator+Killer is extremely powerful -- so powerful that I doubt gnarlycharlie is Town. However as a PFK operating all on his own, it is not over-powered and makes more game sense.
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Post by special on Jun 14, 2011 17:22:27 GMT -5
[ There is a set list of potential roles someone could have. ? So the role exists. That doesn't prove Townness. My point is that the role Investigator+Killer is extremely powerful -- so powerful that I doubt gnarlycharlie is Town. However as a PFK operating all on his own, it is not over-powered and makes more game sense. I guess it depends on the powers the Scum has as to how it can balance. And any limitations on the use of the power.
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