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Post by Gir! on Oct 11, 2007 17:59:40 GMT -5
"Would you care for another slice?" asked the Bear. "Oh, I couldn't possibly eat another bite," replied the small fluffy bunny, "Where did you manage to find chocolate of all things on this spaceship?" "One of those charming humans tipped me off that Malcolm Reynolds was in possession of some high quality cacao. You know how I've had these wonderful apricots with no chocolate to go with them. What a terrible tragedy that would have been! So I visited Malcolm Reynolds and asked if I could have some chocolate for my apricots, and the very rude fellow refused to share." "How very rude," interjected the small fluffy bunny. "So I bit his face off," continued the Bear. "Serves him right," the small fluffy bunny pouted. "And he was a very rude and talkative meal. All this yammering on about independence and Serenity and Captains. These humans can be quite strange sometimes -- strange but tasty." "Oh well, in that case I'll have another small slice," and the small fluffy bunny cheerfully joined the Bear in another helping of Roasted Atarus with chocolate apricot dessert.
Somewhere nearby, a shadowy figure smiled at the plan's rousing success.
And a bit further away, in the midst of the port, bystanders stared in shock at the bear-mauled corpse. More than one wondered out loud how a bear managed to get on planet, much less into the port.
If asked, the shadowy figure would have pointed out that that was the beauty of the plan.
atarus aka Captain Malcolm Reynolds, a cop (Crew), has been killed.
Death scene courtesy of sachertorte.
The crowd of mourners, and some not-so-sincere mourners, heard a deafening thud and, concerned, several of the group began checking the surrounding area for the source of the noise. One of them circled around the Serenity and cried out in dismay at the sight of a large body that appeared to have recently fallen from a great height. The people craned their necks as the gazed upwards, trying to determine if the latest victim had been pushed, or simply somehow fallen from somewhere above. His identity was never in doubt after the first glance.
Flying Cow of Doom, aka Connor Phillips, a harmless bovine vanilla Crewperson, has been killed.
Day Four will end no later than Thursday, October 18 at 3:30 PM Pacific Time/5:30 PM Central Time.
Alive:
BlasterMaster (aka spaceman spiff) Captain Klutz CatinaSuit ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Diomedes Dnooman dotchanV2 (replaces CaerieD) Hal Briston Hockey Monkey Idle Thoughts Mad the Swine mhaye mtgman nesta (replaces sinjin) panamajack Pygmy Rugger Roosh Storyteller whatthefrak Zeriel v.2 (replaces Yattara)
Dead:
dotchan (nee Zuma): Lynched Day One - Ramiro: Vanilla Crew diggitcamara: Killed Night Two - Sheng Sanchez: Mason Greedy Smurf: Killed Night Two - The Operative: Serial Killer ui (nee tragic): Lynched Day Two - Badger: Vanilla Crew zeriel: Killed Night Three - Shepherd Book: Vanilla Crew drain bead: Lynched Day Three - Kaylee Fry: Alliance Roleblocker atarus: Killed Night Four - Captain Malcolm Reynolds, Crew Investigator Flying Cow of Doom: Killed Night Four - Connor Phillips, Vanilla Crew
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day will end immediately if anyone reaches 11 votes (no countdown, no unvotes will count after 11 is reached). If no one receives 11 votes by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
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Blaster Master
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Post by Blaster Master on Oct 11, 2007 18:08:27 GMT -5
Okay, first off... I think we can FINALLY say with a fair amount of certainty, in light of the deaths of drain bead and atarus, that the names of pro-crew individuals is worth precisely spit.
This also means that people who seemed to get off for major character role-claims (like CatinaSuit) should be re-examined.
And, for the case that I laid out yesterday, I'm going to open up with a vote for Pygmy Rugger.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 11, 2007 18:09:06 GMT -5
Aw, poop.
This town is humped. Bye all! I'm off to Disney World!
edit: and who the guay is Connor Phillips? Another made up person?
--FCOD
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Post by Blaster Master on Oct 11, 2007 18:10:20 GMT -5
NETA: I'm going to have to go back and do some re-reading to see if I can't find any potential crumbs from atarus. He should have had three investigations, right?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 11, 2007 18:12:01 GMT -5
But but...I'm so very pretty! I'm not allowed to die! Gorram bears. *grumble grumble*Go town!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 11, 2007 18:22:50 GMT -5
Gah! The suck I sure hope some of his (comparatively few) posts are well-crumbed. I'd wager that he had three investigations, assuming he didn't also hold a potentially killing facet toward his targets that was more potent than mine.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 11, 2007 18:26:00 GMT -5
O Captain my Captain!
So long, atarus & FlyingCowofDoom.
Also, we do have another killer. I just saw a good man die, he's going to Disney World.
I'm looking through atarus's posts, but it doesn't look to me like he dropped any major clues about scum. He did mention a few people as possibly town, but it's hard to read a lot into that yet.
I'm kind of suspicious of CatInaSuit right off the bat. He was jumping up to defend drainbead partly on the strength of her name. If he's scum, he'd know there'd be no counterclaim on her.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 11, 2007 18:26:44 GMT -5
Aw, poop. This town is humped. Bye all! I'm off to Disney World! edit: and who the guay is Connor Phillips? Another made up person? --FCOD Not made up, just from a different cannon. Talk to Kat he was her idea.
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Post by Blaster Master on Oct 11, 2007 18:58:02 GMT -5
Okay, here's a fairly quick scan of what MIGHT be bread crumbs: He does comment a lot on Cookies vs. drain bead, but he makes a repeated point of saying he's more suspicious of db than of Cookies. Is this reasoned suspicion, or investigated? One post that definitely sticks out as potential crumbing the post below which includes two fairly prominent suspects and one lesser known, including drainbead. 3.104: suspicious of "Drainbead, hockeymonkey, Klutz" Another interesting post is post 3.214 where he discusses his votes. Is it possible that his votes for Cat or WTF are crumbs? I think that's unlikely, because he didn't mention them as suspicious later, when, if he DID investigate them and find them to be scum, he should have been casting doubt on their claims in some fashion. He also expresses suspicion of MHaye, Hockey Monkey, and Idle. *Note, he voted for drain bead in 3.180. I think it's likely he had investigated drain bead or Cookies, and either would have been a reasonable investigation. If he did, he obviously found drain bead as scum and Cookies as town. Hockey Monkey is also a possible investigatee who may have shown up as scum, because he dogs her some and she was left on his list. He dogs Idle a little bit in a couple of posts, but never seems to express more than a twinging of suspicion. So I'm guessing that's probably non-investigated suspicion. For selfish reasons, I noticed he mentions me a couple of times in neutral light, but a couple times is just commenting on my involvement with Storyteller (, and the other was for people jumping on my for my math posts (of which one of them was drainbead). I think it's possible that, with nothing to go on on the first Night, he may have decided to investigate an "established" player, which would include the two of us, to either look for someone whose reasoning he could trust, to know not to trust him. So I think if he did investigate either of us (moderate probability), that we came up town. ...I'm not really willing to put in the effort to go through the Day One mess to find a convoluted crumb. So, my analysis: unlikely to be crumbs are WTF, Cat, Idle, MHaye. Potential pro-town readings are Cookies, Storyteller, and me. Potential scum readings are drain bead, Hockey Monkey, and Klutz. ...overall, I'm not sure how useful any of this information is.
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Post by Blaster Master on Oct 11, 2007 19:03:42 GMT -5
I'm kind of suspicious of CatInaSuit right off the bat. He was jumping up to defend drainbead partly on the strength of her name. If he's scum, he'd know there'd be no counterclaim on her. As you saw above, I agree. IIRC, the main thing that saved him was claiming a major character name. Clearly, that is a bunk reason at this point. Now, IF he's scum, he'd clearly have good reason NOT to want DB lynched, because not only is she a powerful tool for the scum, but the town gaining knowledge that the names are meaningless would have very much hurt his own case and potentially that of his other allies. I'm going to have to do some rereading on this guy...
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 11, 2007 19:03:50 GMT -5
As a review, here is a list of explicit name/role claims of living players, copied and edited from CatInASuit's list on Day Two (I believe there is a more comprehensive list floating around somewhere, but I'm at school right now and I don't have my notes with me)...
CatinaSuit: Wash (Vanilla) Diomedes: Mr Universe (Watcher/Tracker) Dnooman: Sherriff Bourne (Vanilla) Mad the Swine: Hector Sanchez (Mason) Roosh: Inara Serra (50% Bomb) whatthefrak: Zoe (50% Bodyguard)
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 11, 2007 19:20:19 GMT -5
Okay, first off... I think we can FINALLY say with a fair amount of certainty, in light of the deaths of drain bead and atarus, that the names of pro-crew individuals is worth precisely spit. This also means that people who seemed to get off for major character role-claims (like CatinaSuit) should be re-examined. And, for the case that I laid out yesterday, I'm going to open up with a [colorblue]vote for Pygmy Rugger [/color].[/quote] Wait, what? The case you laid out against me yesterday is exactly not the explanation Roosh gave for what I called him out on!
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Post by dnooman on Oct 11, 2007 19:24:29 GMT -5
Crap balls. Well at least they didn't get two power roles. I think Panama makes a good point about Cat. I'm gonna look at the voting sheet for a bit, hopefully something jumps out.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 11, 2007 20:08:23 GMT -5
I somehow missed this post earlier. Okay, first off... I think we can FINALLY say with a fair amount of certainty, in light of the deaths of drain bead and atarus, that the names of pro-crew individuals is worth precisely spit. This also means that people who seemed to get off for major character role-claims (like CatinaSuit) should be re-examined. I obviously agree. FWIW, Pygmy is not Mingo. And dot: you left me off your "claimed" list.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 11, 2007 20:21:28 GMT -5
Hmm....interesting.
I was just putting the overnight updates onto the spreadsheet, and something occurred to me. Over the course of the game, here are the accumulated votes of those who have been nightkilled:
atarus - 1 vote Diggit - 0 votes Greedy - 0 votes zeriel - 0 votes FCoD - 0 votes
1) There's a pretty damn clear pattern here. Often times, scum will pull a couple of "Huh...why'd they kill him?" moves. Obviously not the case here -- they're only going after the squeekiest of the squeeky clean.
2) Can I have a couple of votes, please? Not too many...maybe four or five, say? You can always unvote me later. I'd just like to get the stink of goody two-shoes offa me. It smells like death around this place.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 11, 2007 20:27:22 GMT -5
Interesting catch, Hal. Next questions, Since you've clearly done the analysis:
1) Who else has accumulated 0-1 votes? 2) What do the scum have to gain from slaying specifically the squeaky clean ones only?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 11, 2007 20:58:11 GMT -5
Vote Hal Briston
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 11, 2007 21:05:22 GMT -5
Aww, who am I kidding? If I vote Hal now, I won't be able to drop the hammer on him if he accumulates more votes later!
Unvote Hal
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 11, 2007 21:19:24 GMT -5
1) Who else has accumulated 0-1 votes? That'd be the following: hockey monkey - 1 vote mgtman - 1 vote CaerieD/dotchan2 - 0 votes Captain Klutz - 0 votes Hal Briston - 0 votes (not counting the one that pygmy just tossed my way) panamajack - 0 votes Yattara/zeriel2 - 0 votes One thing to keep in mind with all these numbers -- I'm missing some data from Day 1. If someone was voted for late in Day 1, but was subsequently unvoted, that will not be reflected on the spreadsheet and it won't be reflected here. Still, I'd doubt there was much of that. 2) What do the scum have to gain from slaying specifically the squeaky clean ones only? Woah, woah...you want data, I'm your guy. Analysis?? Beats the hell outta me. Seriously...I have no idea what they're up to. All I can say is that in just about every game I've been involved in, scum followed a definite pattern in one form or another. The games are starting to kinda blend, but I remember that in one, scum never voted for each other. In another, every time scum was lynched, every single other scum was on the bandwagon. Not sure what to make of this one, but it's there. Three things that I have no idea about: 1) Whether it means anything or not. 2) If it's intentional or not. 3) If the scum will keep following the pattern now that it's out there.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 11, 2007 21:21:07 GMT -5
I was in the middle of a response to nesta/Yattara when the hammer dropped yesterday, and I think what I had intended to say may still have some merit.
I began writing my claim post on September 26th. Though that was only the Day before Yesterday in the game, there were 12 days that had passed between then and the day that I claimed. A lot can happen in 12 days, don't you think? Like, say a claim that either didn't jive with what I knew to be true, or indicated involvement of a third party?
I was extremely surprised on Day 2 at the speed at which I was heading to the block based on the whole "the" bullshit, and discussed my "worse-case-scenario" post as a not-so-subtle reminder of: a) "is this really something y'all want to push me to claim over?" and b) as I approached 10 votes, I was well within the zone I discussed on Day 1, where scum could hammer an innocent. I didn't like being there.
And what exactly was convenient about my claim to you yesterday? You and I have very different definitions of "convenient", it would seem. I asked for clarification on my role PM way back at the beginning of the game, and anyone who received my PM would've also asked for clarification as soon as they read it.
Was I not supposed to point out an apparent contradiction in someone else's claim just because it was somewhat coincidental with some clarification that I had asked for?
And before I get roasted from the other end of the spectrum, by the people who think I should have counter-claimed as soon as I'd read drain's claim, I was not sure enough that a contradiction might have been afoot until drain followed up with her belief that she was "100% effective". I was also tempted, as I've said previously, to keep quiet on the chance that I could make it through to another Night for another chance to find/kill Mingo, even with the smear attempt against me that drain included in her claim.
There were a lot of potential issues brought to light based on the various claims and testimonies provided so far, but prior to her death, a contradiction between drain's claim and my action/result on Night 3 was not the most glaringly obvious of them, imho. I don't think I was the only one pleasantly surprised and relieved by how her lynch turned out.
I know this is basically all water under the bridge now, but there's my $0.02 anyway.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 11, 2007 21:21:11 GMT -5
Howdy, ho... Mr. Universe checking in. Last night, I discovered a town power role, so you guys won't be getting the fruits of my investigation.
And I'm now pulling my hair out that we lost Captain Malc without getting the results of our investigations. I had some very vague concerns about him, and I'm now wishing I'd pushed to lynch him. If we'd made him claim, we at least would have his info now. I'm not a particularly perceptive picker-upper of breadcrumbs (q.v. Party II on the dope, I only got theobvious stuff), but I'll start checking his posts.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 11, 2007 21:34:37 GMT -5
Updated claim list...
- Full Claims - CatinaSuit: Wash (Vanilla) Diomedes: Mr Universe (Watcher/Tracker) Dnooman: Sherriff Bourne (Vanilla) Mad the Swine: Hector Sanchez (Mason) Roosh: Inara Serra (50% Bomb) whatthefrak: Zoe (50% Bodyguard) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies: Fanty (Mingo-specific vigilante)
- Claimed Crew - sinjin/nesta (also claimed some sort of power) hockeymonkey mhaye Idle Thoughts
- Others of Note - panamajack (claimed to be attacked Night 2) Yattara/zeriel (investigated by Diomedes as sleeping on Night 2)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 11, 2007 21:39:36 GMT -5
Does Hal's Easter Bunny visit warrant inclusion in "Others of Note"?
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 11, 2007 21:46:31 GMT -5
Oh, right, right...
- Others of Note - The Easter Bunny (Hal's mysterious Night 1 visitor)
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Post by dnooman on Oct 11, 2007 22:19:05 GMT -5
Aww, who am I kidding? If I vote Hal now, I won't be able to drop the hammer on him if he accumulates more votes later! Unvote HalNow, that was funny. Also, what mean q.v. ? Me no understand. (this is in reference to Dio's post)
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 11, 2007 22:26:08 GMT -5
Okay, first off... I think we can FINALLY say with a fair amount of certainty, in light of the deaths of drain bead and atarus, that the names of pro-crew individuals is worth precisely spit. I fully agree now. Names will mean nothing to me. Unfortunately, I've got 3 exams this week, and i'm halfway done. 2 more to go. So expect not so much from me till about midweekendish? I'm sure I'll be back on Saturday. But nothing useful for now, Just gotta keep up. Though Atarus, this one's for you, homie. :pours out slushie: I know you gotta have left some crumbs, just from knowing You as a person, heh, but I'll look this weekend, and now It kinda makes sense why you haven't been voting so much, and why when I accused you of being defensive... you HAVE been defensive. =( You probably knew which people were worth defending.... But again, that's for this weekend. Abnormal Psych test for now!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 11, 2007 22:26:13 GMT -5
Okay, first off... I think we can FINALLY say with a fair amount of certainty, in light of the deaths of drain bead and atarus, that the names of pro-crew individuals is worth precisely spit. How is atarus an example here? From what I heard, Mal is a good guy? He had a good guy name and was on the good side? Or am I missing something? I agree with you, though, especailly about: She and Hockey are the two most suspicious to me, followed closely by Dio. Howdy, ho... Mr. Universe checking in. Last night, I discovered a town power role, so you guys won't be getting the fruits of my investigation. Hold on. How do we know you're not some kind of tracker for the Alliance? Or not part of it but a scum-aligned role like Sneaky Sam was? Someone who fishes for power-roles and then reveals all if they're about to get it? I've never seen FF or the movie, but I remember someone saying earlier that Mr Universe SELLS OUT the good guys in the movie (which is the only thing his character is in), doesn't he? Anyway, I know she's gone and all for now but that's not going to stop me from voting Hockey Monkeyseeing as, like DB I've felt she was suspicious since Day One and have seemingly caught and seen a lot of mistakes, suspicious behavor, and inconsistances with her. Also, any thoughts as to why Drain Bead wouldn't continually block Dio? It's possible she did keep trying and kept failing (since she had a relatively low percentage), but still.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 11, 2007 22:28:55 GMT -5
Updated claim list... - Full Claims - CatinaSuit: Wash (Vanilla) Diomedes: Mr Universe (Watcher/Tracker) Dnooman: Sherriff Bourne (Vanilla) Mad the Swine: Hector Sanchez (Mason) Roosh: Inara Serra (50% Bomb) whatthefrak: Zoe (50% Bodyguard) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies: Fanty (Mingo-specific vigilante) Hmm. If I were another player, I'd be most suspicious of dnooman and Cat in a suit, with a bias towards Cat just because we know that we're being misled by names. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Kaylee was one of the most altruistic, loyal people on the ship. That doesn't say that much, but it does make me wonder about Wash's role. Until I get better info, Vote Kitteh in da soot. I've sent packages containing feces to random " @scum.net" user addresses. Enjoy!
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 11, 2007 23:15:48 GMT -5
Hold on. How do we know you're not some kind of tracker for the Alliance? Or not part of it but a scum-aligned role like Sneaky Sam was? Someone who fishes for power-roles and then reveals all if they're about to get it? I've never seen FF or the movie, but I remember someone saying earlier that Mr Universe SELLS OUT the good guys in the movie (which is the only thing his character is in), doesn't he? You don't know if I'm a Sneaky Sam character, just like you haven't for the entire game. But with the death of our cop, my value increases exponentially for the town. And lynching me is the only way that I might start outing power roles, if I were. (A Sneaky Sam sort of character wouldn't be able to tell all if he was nightvigged, I assume) Mr. Universe only sells the crew out under pain of death from the Operative (who kills him anyways). Greedy's gone, so canon-wise, the crew is safe from my cowardly nature. But Kaylee's role shows that canon means crapola in this game. I think Drain was lying about the low percentage.. that was her made-up reasoning trying to sow misinformation about how the scum operate. Why she didn't attempt to block me in future nights... well, I have no clue. Perhaps she hoped I was a Sneaky Sam sort of role? Perhaps I was semi-clearing some town (Yatarra or Hockey are scum?) Perhaps she was hoping that by doing so, I would eventually back her, and she hoped that with my help, along with her fellow scum, that she would be able to avoid lynching?
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 11, 2007 23:22:01 GMT -5
Hmm. If I were another player, I'd be most suspicious of dnooman and Cat in a suit, with a bias towards Cat just because we know that we're being misled by names. I've been under the assumption that you've been essentially cleared based on our ridiculous metagaming of the Vanilla Role PM. Then again, I don't remember who was backing you on that, and because it was one Day One, I don't know if the people that cleared you actually turned out to be Vanillas. Cat's roleclaim as Wash, of course, is now just as suspect as anyone else. The only person that really seems cleared is Mad, as the surviving member of a Mason pair. Roosh's claim of Inara seems just as questionable. I don't see why you think that Cat's all of a sudden more lynchworthy, though.
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