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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 4:42:46 GMT -5
Ok, let's see what we have.
To the dearly departed, sorry to see you go.
Easiest guess for Night 2, would be a Vig, SK, Scum kill combo, but given all the options, who knows.
Vote shenanigans. I see from the vote count, that there is no extra vote placed anywhere such as the one fluiddruid recevied. Let' s see if we get any more in the future or it finishes there. If fluiddruid was going to place a vote then it points at a roleblocker being around.
Meeko voting for colby11, following Pinkies voting for Archangel. Both archangel and colby11 have come under suspicion so its easy enough to see a town politician forcing a player with few posts to vote. Or even force a possible scum player to vote for another possible scum. Flipside, it's a great way for a scum politician to throw WIFOM around the place. and frankly, either is possible
However, scum politicians can be very powerful especially in endgame when every vote counts.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 5:02:15 GMT -5
Vote Counts
Day 1
ace093 (8,9): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller [115], metallicsquink [127], archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173], Meeko [250], septimus [287,287] Honest Moley (3,3): Rysto [243], BillMc [314], JustBeingGinger [316] Captain Pinkies (2,2): ace093 [227], septimus [287,287], Suburban Plankton [291] CIAS (1,1): colby11 [102,168], septimus [206,234], Honest Moley [324] Paranoia (1,3): JustBeingGinger [237,316], colby11 [257], septimus [287,287] fluiddruid (1,2): justbeingginger [153,160], MHaye [304], Honest Moley [313,324] archangel (1,2): Honest Moley [179,226], CIAS [199] septimus (1,1): guiri [233] guiri (1,1): septimus [234,287,287]
gnarlycharlie (0,1): suburban plankton [79,93] BillMc (0,1): Suburban Plankton [93,291] colby11 (0,1): CIAS [110,199] Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127] storyteller (0,1): archangel [129,144] Meeko (1,1): Dirx [302][/quote]
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Day 2
Captain Pinkies (9,9)*: Special Ed [4], Suburban Plankton [47,198,209], septimus [88,381], Meeko [156], LightFoot [161, 264], JustBeingGinger [228,382], Storyteller [269], guiri [304], CatInaSuit [317], colby11 [341] Fluiddruid (7,7): Archangel [30,203,246], gnarlycharlie [227], BillMc [343], LightFoot[363], Merestil Haye [374], Honest Moley [379],JustBeingGinger[382] Archangel (2,3): CatInaSuit [26,317], metallicsquink [37], Captain Pinkies [90,376] Paranoia (0,1): colby11 [176,313] JustBeingGinger (0,1): Honest Moley [263, 379] colby11 (2,1): Ma'at [389] guiri (1,1): Rysto [321] Meeko (1,1): Dirx [371] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Archangel [203,246] CatInaSuit (1,1): septimus [60,88,381] Special Ed (0,1): Suburban Plankton [198,209]
I think these are accurate.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 5:04:10 GMT -5
While typing, I will note that Pinkies' lynch yesterday was his own fault. If he hadn't deliberately broken his voting orders, Fluiddruid would have been lynched; the margin deciding the lynch was one vote, and Pinkies unvote garnered him two votes. That irritated me. Players should avoid self-destructive behaviour. Actually from looking at the vote counts, Pinkies had 7 votes with fluiddruid if you discount any extras. As Pinkies had been voted for first, he would still have been lynched.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 5:15:34 GMT -5
I promised Captain Pinkies I'd switch my vote if he voluntarily took the 2-vote penalty. Unfortunately I have no strong suspicions of anyone. Fluid is likely a lying 3P, but he should be useful if we keep him on a short leash. Unvote: Captain PinkiesVote: CatInaSuitI've mentioned some weak scum-tells from CatInaSuit before. My feeling is that he posts a lot of tiny suspicions, and neutral questions/comments. Enough posts so he won't incur suspicions for being inactive, but not the stronger posts that Townies often use to scum hunt. I admit that this could just be his style, and the sign of a strong player but, as I say, I'm not getting scum vibes from any others. So in other words you are quite happy for Captain Pinkies to effectively have an extra vote after you remove yours and give yourself a viable excuse to remove yourself from the Pinkies bandwagon Actually reading back, the only reason he did it was because you suggested it, #D2.311 and #D2.312
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 5:44:40 GMT -5
Ok, JustBeingGinger's vote makes me go hmm. Mafia in Wonderland Role « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 1:07pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are the Ten of Hearts. You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote. You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. Unvote: Captain PinkiesVote: FluiddruidFirst off, it's at end of Day and Pinkies is being lynched regardless of whether the unvote happens or not. Your original reason for voting him was that he should post the PM showing the forced vote. ******* I don't like Pinkies play style. I have not been quiet about it on other games. He lurks and when he comes out to post he gives us drink recipes and then throws in the one sentence remarks. He does not contribute to who he thinks is TOWN vs SCUM or how any of the mechanics work. The fact that he is a vet to these games and REFUSES to claim, tells me he has something to hide. He even posted "Why should I claim?" How is that helping town? My vote was not a I am voting you to come out to play vote, well not 100%. He saw with ACE not claiming and got lynched. So yes, he should claim at least a little bit. Post the PM that states his forced vote. He has the mind set that IF I am town then let me be lynched, as long as TOWN wins I do... All the while he does nothing to contribute to that TOWN win. Well he did that, but your post after didn't reference it and it was only at EoD2 you switched your vote. Secondly, why fluiddruid, when after what occured on Day 1 you backed off, followed by no sign of suspicion on Day 2. In fact in one of the Day 2 posts, you were criticising Honest Moley about his vote for fluiddruid. Something seems wrong here, it feels like a last minute vote switch to get off a bandwagon, when most of the posts in the Day don't appear to back up those last minute actions. for the moment. vote JustBeingGinger
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Post by septimus on May 17, 2011 5:58:50 GMT -5
So in other words you are quite happy for Captain Pinkies to effectively have an extra vote after you remove yours and give yourself a viable excuse to remove yourself from the Pinkies bandwagon I'd have had no objection to others' removing their votes, and intended to imply that in the post you cite. In any event I wasn't overly concerned about the Pinkies lynch because * I still suspected he might be scum, pfk or 3p * I didn't see the case (partly instigated by you, CatInaSuit) against Archangel. * I believed fluid and thought a cooperating 2-vote 3P would be valuable to Town. Also, fluid might be a logical Vig target, but that would seem to argue against Lynching fluid anyway: Let the Vig take him down. Do you think I'm scummy? This is about the 3rd vague smudge you've directed against me.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 17, 2011 7:08:41 GMT -5
Ok, JustBeingGinger's vote makes me go hmm. Unvote: Captain PinkiesVote: Fluiddruid First off, it's at end of Day and Pinkies is being lynched regardless of whether the unvote happens or not. Your original reason for voting him was that he should post the PM showing the forced vote. ******* I don't like Pinkies play style. I have not been quiet about it on other games. He lurks and when he comes out to post he gives us drink recipes and then throws in the one sentence remarks. He does not contribute to who he thinks is TOWN vs SCUM or how any of the mechanics work. The fact that he is a vet to these games and REFUSES to claim, tells me he has something to hide. He even posted "Why should I claim?" How is that helping town? My vote was not a I am voting you to come out to play vote, well not 100%. He saw with ACE not claiming and got lynched. So yes, he should claim at least a little bit. Post the PM that states his forced vote. He has the mind set that IF I am town then let me be lynched, as long as TOWN wins I do... All the while he does nothing to contribute to that TOWN win. Well he did that, but your post after didn't reference it and it was only at EoD2 you switched your vote. Secondly, why fluiddruid, when after what occured on Day 1 you backed off, followed by no sign of suspicion on Day 2. In fact in one of the Day 2 posts, you were criticising Honest Moley about his vote for fluiddruid. Something seems wrong here, it feels like a last minute vote switch to get off a bandwagon, when most of the posts in the Day don't appear to back up those last minute actions. for the moment. vote JustBeingGingerIn reference to my change of vote at the EofDay2, I was wanting to see the ROLE claim before I moved my vote. After he posted his role PM , I took my vote off him. I forget his two vote penalty when he unvoted Archangel. I choose Fluid because when she claimed her role as 3rd party but could not back up her statements. She stated that "She will attempt to act Pro-town". Either you are going to act pro-town or you are not. Then there was no discussion that was started by her on who to vote for in the Night, something that she said she would discuss with TOWN. She had not acted pro-town as she stated. She was the 2nd in line for lynch and that is why I placed my vote there, not taking into account that Pinkies would get the 2 penalty votes. I didn't know this at the time but the fact that she never posted in the NIGHT thread who to vote, and she did not know that she would be slain in the morning. Furthers my claim that she never intended to act pro-town in a co-op. In the second quote you referenced I was not looking for his VOTE PM, but his ROLE claim. To me there is a HUGE difference. His vote PM does not give me any information that he is town, scum or 3rd party.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 17, 2011 7:10:22 GMT -5
I have no idea what I did wrong in the above post. SisC can you please fix the double quoting?
Thanks!
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Post by Renata on May 17, 2011 7:32:39 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
CatInASuit (1,1) Septimus [47]* JustBeingGinger (1,1) CatInASuit [64] colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13]
With these votes, CatInASuit will be lynched.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 7:43:05 GMT -5
In the second quote you referenced I was not looking for his VOTE PM, but his ROLE claim. To me there is a HUGE difference. His vote PM does not give me any information that he is town, scum or 3rd party. ******* I don't like Pinkies play style. I have not been quiet about it on other games. He lurks and when he comes out to post he gives us drink recipes and then throws in the one sentence remarks. He does not contribute to who he thinks is TOWN vs SCUM or how any of the mechanics work. The fact that he is a vet to these games and REFUSES to claim, tells me he has something to hide. He even posted "Why should I claim?" How is that helping town? My vote was not a I am voting you to come out to play vote, well not 100%. He saw with ACE not claiming and got lynched. So yes, he should claim at least a little bit. Post the PM that states his forced vote. He has the mind set that IF I am town then let me be lynched, as long as TOWN wins I do... All the while he does nothing to contribute to that TOWN win. Underlining mine, you asked for the PM stating the forced vote, not his role PM.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 8:04:02 GMT -5
Do you think I'm scummy? This is about the 3rd vague smudge you've directed against me. Actually, no I don't find you that scummy. I was concerned about your partial claim, but in reality it means absolutely nothing given that an ${number} of ${suit} can be vanilla town or scum and you didn't claim that, just that you were a card of a suit. Now given that fluiddruid was the king of hearts and 3rd party, it really does hint that the above is true. But you reacted badly to me calling you vanilla, which kind of implies you are a non-vanilla card. Especially given that if you were claiming vanilla, then by your own comment on Pleonast, you should be voting for yourself. Does that make you a power role. Quite Probably. Scummy, I'll withhold judgement for the mo.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 17, 2011 8:23:18 GMT -5
In the second quote you referenced I was not looking for his VOTE PM, but his ROLE claim. To me there is a HUGE difference. His vote PM does not give me any information that he is town, scum or 3rd party. ******* I don't like Pinkies play style. I have not been quiet about it on other games. He lurks and when he comes out to post he gives us drink recipes and then throws in the one sentence remarks. He does not contribute to who he thinks is TOWN vs SCUM or how any of the mechanics work. The fact that he is a vet to these games and REFUSES to claim, tells me he has something to hide. He even posted "Why should I claim?" How is that helping town? My vote was not a I am voting you to come out to play vote, well not 100%. He saw with ACE not claiming and got lynched. So yes, he should claim at least a little bit. Post the PM that states his forced vote. He has the mind set that IF I am town then let me be lynched, as long as TOWN wins I do... All the while he does nothing to contribute to that TOWN win. Underlining mine, you asked for the PM stating the forced vote, not his role PM. You're correct, I asked him for the vote PM, at the very LEAST. Knowing that the vote PM would not tell us his alignment, I wanted more and the longer the day went, he looked more suspicious and that is why the simple vote PM was not evidence enough to save him. It irked me that he waited so late in the day to post his PM, Friday night at 8:30pm, or around not sure of the exact time, not all people are on the boards at that time. Pinkies did it to himself by changing his vote and taking the 2 penalty votes and not claiming early and letting people have a chance to think and unvote. The way he acted was very anti-town. Let me ask you this, would you have been suspicious of me if I had unvoted Pinkies after the vote PM? You inquired on why I unvoted Fluid quickly and was suspicious of that and now you are suspicious of me for not doing that? I have to run to a meeting, but I will be back later.
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Post by BillMc on May 17, 2011 8:56:41 GMT -5
On re-reading, I think it is most probable that Fluid was taken out by a Vig
It seems more likely that the Scum would have taken Ed out than Colby. For the scum to have chosen Colby over Ed that Scum would have had had to believe the Colby represented more of threat than Ed -- and since Colby flipped Vanilla, that was not the case.
So it is more likely that the Scum killed Ed; and there is no strong reason why the scum would have targetted Colby -- so he was taken out by some other mechanism.
Similarly, apart from Colby having a bit of a deathwish from previous game, there would be little strategic value in forcing a vote for him. Indeed, the Politician role is usually scum - so why force someone to vote for someone who has little strategic value.
Meeko has been playing very un-Meeko --- very quiet, little content - and generally keeping below the radar. Add to that Meeko's "whether or not colby11 has survived the Night" claim, then it all looks highly suspicious.
This feels like scum trying to buy town-cred
Vote: Meeko
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Post by CatInASuit on May 17, 2011 9:21:59 GMT -5
Indeed, the Politician role is usually scum - so why force someone to vote for someone who has little strategic value. Is it? Admittedly, the last game I ran had a vote amendment role on each side, but previous to that, I only remember it as a town role. Septimus, JBG: what has me looking at you was the switch of votes at the EoD2 and trying to work out why you did it and if it makes sense.
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Post by metallicsquink on May 17, 2011 9:41:02 GMT -5
On re-reading, I think it is most probable that Fluid was taken out by a Vig It seems more likely that the Scum would have taken Ed out than Colby. For the scum to have chosen Colby over Ed that Scum would have had had to believe the Colby represented more of threat than Ed -- and since Colby flipped Vanilla, that was not the case. So it is more likely that the Scum killed Ed; and there is no strong reason why the scum would have targetted Colby -- so he was taken out by some other mechanism. Similarly, apart from Colby having a bit of a deathwish from previous game, there would be little strategic value in forcing a vote for him. Indeed, the Politician role is usually scum - so why force someone to vote for someone who has little strategic value. Meeko has been playing very un-Meeko --- very quiet, little content - and generally keeping below the radar. Add to that Meeko's "whether or not colby11 has survived the Night" claim, then it all looks highly suspicious. This feels like scum trying to buy town-cred Vote: Meeko I've only played in one game with a politician and she was town (she was called "mayor" but it seemed like the same mechanism - forcing a vote) so I don't think we can assume the politician is scum. I don't understand the vote on meeko as it relates to his PM. What does the quote about colby surviving the Night have to do with getting town cred?
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 17, 2011 10:10:03 GMT -5
Current Vote Count: CatInASuit (1,1): Septimus [47]* JustBeingGinger (1,1): CatInASuit [64] Meeko (1,1): BillMc [72] colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13] With these votes, CatInASuit will be lynched. SisC can you please fix the double quoting? Done
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 17, 2011 12:06:41 GMT -5
I am in literal all day (7:30-6:30) meetings every day this week except Friday. I'll do what I can, but for the moment, I just want to check in to say that I am not silenced or anything like that.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 17, 2011 12:40:48 GMT -5
While typing, I will note that Pinkies' lynch yesterday was his own fault. If he hadn't deliberately broken his voting orders, Fluiddruid would have been lynched; the margin deciding the lynch was one vote, and Pinkies unvote garnered him two votes. That irritated me. Players should avoid self-destructive behaviour. Actually from looking at the vote counts, Pinkies had 7 votes with fluiddruid if you discount any extras. As Pinkies had been voted for first, he would still have been lynched. That's just it; you don't discount extras. Both Pinkies and Fluid had seven votes placed by other players, but if Captain P had not moved his vote and got two penalty votes, the vote count would have been 8 - 7 in Fluiddruid's favour, and she, not Captain P, would have been lynched, because Fluiddruid had more votes. Only if the number of votes were tied would the earliest-vote tiebreak come into play; Fluiddrud's penalty vote did not count for that purpose only.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 17, 2011 13:21:49 GMT -5
OOG/Just to let everyone know I will be away for the evening. I am taking my kid to the Circus... A bunch of smelly elephants... Hey Lightfoot I know where to find your something smelly and large!/OOG
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Post by Meeko on May 17, 2011 13:55:03 GMT -5
On re-reading, I think it is most probable that Fluid was taken out by a Vig It seems more likely that the Scum would have taken Ed out than Colby. For the scum to have chosen Colby over Ed that Scum would have had had to believe the Colby represented more of threat than Ed -- and since Colby flipped Vanilla, that was not the case. So it is more likely that the Scum killed Ed; and there is no strong reason why the scum would have targetted Colby -- so he was taken out by some other mechanism. Similarly, apart from Colby having a bit of a deathwish from previous game, there would be little strategic value in forcing a vote for him. Indeed, the Politician role is usually scum - so why force someone to vote for someone who has little strategic value. Meeko has been playing very un-Meeko --- very quiet, little content - and generally keeping below the radar. Add to that Meeko's "whether or not colby11 has survived the Night" claim, then it all looks highly suspicious. This feels like scum trying to buy town-cred Vote Snipped. Not quite sure how to respond here. But let's give it a shot. Dirx, you might want to listen also. I'm not sure how many ways I can tell you guys that I got a job. Well I guess I just did. The point remains, I have a job now. Obviously, if you don't have a 9-5 job, you can post to threads whenever you please, and in my case, admittedly, a little too much. One should not end up posting 10% of their volume on any board to one thread. Been there Done that, and frankly, don't want to go back. It would be a different story, if I had a 9-5 job, and at this point I would take the hours of 9 to 5 over the hours I have been handed. After having a week of closing [read blocking out on average 1pm-Mid] I am now on a week of openings [read blocking out on average 4am-5pm] So yes, I think my participation in LIFE let alone mafia is going to take a hit. Dirx, you accuse me of being Opportunistic with a vote I had. I would like to ask you for your definition of Opportunistic. I'll Anticipate your answer. --- Aren't you then being opportunistic yourself? I don't know, it just feels either opportunistic, or approaching a double standard as far as " my " play style goes. As to the wording on the PM, I gave it to you guys as I got it, verbatim. :: Your Vote has been purchased. You must vote for colby11 in your first post of the Day (whether said post includes other information is up to you), whether or not colby11 has survived the Night. Additionally, you may not change your vote once it has been placed. If your first post of the Day does not include this vote, and/or if you attempt to change your vote, you will accrue TWO Final Votes per offense. But I guess you can say whatever want about me, not like I can change my vote today*, in any event. More Opportunism, eh? As I said before, this week is different from last week, indeed, I am here, posting now, trying to get into the game. I guess my comment yesterday asking if we should still worry about Fluid and her win con doesn't amount to much. - There was comment on why the use of the word "Purchase" was used. It was dismissed as being nothing but color. I agree it's color, but there is a reason why that word was used above any other one. I mean, it's the reason why Sawyer got the Gun in LOST and Hurley didn't. That is to say, I think there could be value in figuring why the word purchase was used and what character be able to purchase. Is the effort worth it? Probably not. - Honest Moley, what say you? [Feel free to comment on anything, this paragraph is sectioned off, unassociated with anything. - So yes, my activity in this game has been low. Yes, I have been less Meeko in this game, then again, taking a retail cashiering job, I feel like I have been a lot less Me, period. Sorry to call you out Dirx, but it was there, and I figured I could kill two birds with one stone here. Your day 1 vote did strike me as being opportunistic, but then again, aren't all votes on Day 1 Opportunistic?- *It may not be a potato**, but damn if it isn't a pickle. ** Crap, I said I wouldn't say that word again, didn't I*** ? *** Random Asides, double spacing my entries, and rambling, Are you guys sure you want me to post more? 0. Or, you know, I could break out my outlines. 0.1 You remember the outlines, don't you? 0.0.1 Good times.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 17, 2011 14:12:44 GMT -5
*It may not be a potato**, but damn if it isn't a pickle. ** Crap, I said I wouldn't say that word again, didn't I*** ? *** Random Asides, double spacing my entries, and rambling, Are you guys sure you want me to post more? 0. Or, you know, I could break out my outlines. 0.1 You remember the outlines, don't you? 0.0.1 Good times. whatever you are, you're funny.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 17, 2011 14:31:09 GMT -5
Honest Moley, what say you? [Feel free to comment on anything, this paragraph is sectioned off, unassociated with anything. I can hardly blame you for not suffering through my wall-of-text-itis. But I disagree strongly on the "whether or not colby has survived the night" thing. I think that if Meeko was lying (in which case he'd HAVE to know that the politician didn't target anybody else, meaning both he and the politician would be scum), the absolute last thing he'd do would be to add in something like that about Colby after he'd died. He'd choose a different player instead. This is the second time I've thought you were making a point, apparently with some thought behind it, but when I think about it, it doesn't seem sensible at all. Both times it's pinged my scumdar. The first time was your agreement with CIAS's idea that I should have kept quiet all day to "prove" a post restriction I couldn't even have claimed if I had. That felt like an opportunistic vote to distance yourself from the Ace bandwagon, and this feels like you're trying to take advantage of the fact that Meeko is under more suspicion than you are. On that basis, and the fact that I'm inclined to give Meeko the benefit of the doubt right now, especially given his last post, Vote: BillMC.
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Post by guiri on May 17, 2011 15:02:02 GMT -5
@ Meeko, Fluidfruid is dead. If somehow he manages to still win the game despite being dead, that would suck but there's not much we can do about it. I wanted to see the vote count in case there was an extra vote like yesterDay. If his role PM was truthful, he had one last shot at winning by guessing toDay's lynchee. There was no extra vote so I'm no longer concerned about him in any way. You suggest that "Purchase" may be more than just color. It implies you got something in return for your vote, did you? Dirx also voted you for your poor votes, not just you lack of participation: Meeko's been lurking and laying down crapass votes. To me, that has Scum written all over it. Your Day 1 vote was a bandwagon vote on Ace accusing her of asking Pinkies for a claim (debatable) while not claiming herself (untrue). Your Day 2 vote was another bandwagon vote, on Pinkies. You voted him pending further explanation: "I could be wrong here, but until I get some more explanation from you I will: vote Pinkies" but he'd already explained that he'd been compelled to vote. Your new job may explain your lack of participation and not being yourself but these really are crappy, opportunistic votes. Assuming your vote was purchased, who would you vote for toDay if you didn't have to vote Colby?
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Post by metallicsquink on May 17, 2011 15:13:09 GMT -5
Honest Moley, what say you? [Feel free to comment on anything, this paragraph is sectioned off, unassociated with anything. I can hardly blame you for not suffering through my wall-of-text-itis. But I disagree strongly on the "whether or not colby has survived the night" thing. I think that if Meeko was lying (in which case he'd HAVE to know that the politician didn't target anybody else, meaning both he and the politician would be scum), the absolute last thing he'd do would be to add in something like that about Colby after he'd died. He'd choose a different player instead. This is the second time I've thought you were making a point, apparently with some thought behind it, but when I think about it, it doesn't seem sensible at all. Both times it's pinged my scumdar. The first time was your agreement with CIAS's idea that I should have kept quiet all day to "prove" a post restriction I couldn't even have claimed if I had. That felt like an opportunistic vote to distance yourself from the Ace bandwagon, and this feels like you're trying to take advantage of the fact that Meeko is under more suspicion than you are. On that basis, and the fact that I'm inclined to give Meeko the benefit of the doubt right now, especially given his last post, Vote: BillMC. I was thinking it was just me that didn't understand where Bill was going with his vote. Moley, what do you mean by "he would have chosen a different player instead"? I'm going to hold off on voting BillMc for now because I do want to see what he has to say about this.
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Post by guiri on May 17, 2011 15:30:32 GMT -5
I think Moley is saying that if Meeko's claim that his vote was purchased is false, both Meeko and the politician must be scum - otherwise he'd risk being counter-claimed. So, rather than adding the sentence about voting Colby whether he's alive or not, he'd simply have chosen a different player to pretend to be forced to vote for.
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Post by metallicsquink on May 17, 2011 15:43:09 GMT -5
I think Moley is saying that if Meeko's claim that his vote was purchased is false, both Meeko and the politician must be scum - otherwise he'd risk being counter-claimed. So, rather than adding the sentence about voting Colby whether he's alive or not, he'd simply have chosen a different player to pretend to be forced to vote for. I'm guessing then, that Moley doesn't agree with BillMc's assumption that the scum didn't kill colby, right? Because if BillMc is assuming that the scum did not kill colby (which is what he is saying), then a scum meeko would not have known colby was going to be alive or dead so he really could not have known to add in anything about still being forced to vote for a dead player regardless of who that player was. Does that make sense? So I guess I don't really see the choice of target making much difference but I could just be confused.
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Post by Renata on May 17, 2011 15:57:32 GMT -5
Please put votes on a separate line; I almost missed Moley’s.
Current Vote Count:
CatInASuit (1,1) Septimus [47]* JustBeingGinger (1,1) CatInASuit [64] Meeko (1,1) BillMc [72] BillMc (1,1) Honest Moley [81] colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13]
With these votes, CatInASuit will be lynched.
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Post by septimus on May 17, 2011 17:15:21 GMT -5
Do you think I'm scummy? This is about the 3rd vague smudge you've directed against me. ... But you reacted badly to me calling you vanilla, which kind of implies you are a non-vanilla card. Especially given that if you were claiming vanilla, then by your own comment on Pleonast, you should be voting for yourself. Does that make you a power role. Quite Probably. Since this didn't jibe with my memory, I went back to find the relevant post: @ septimus: You say you are a playing card, but for some reason, don't mention clubs as a possible suit? Any reason? @ septimusBut by this post, you claim something remarkably similar to the vanilla template, effectively claiming vanilla as Pleonast does. Doesn't that mean you have just nominated yourself as a lynch victim for the Day? I have no idea whether suits are correlated with alignment, or any such. I suggested that sharing such info might be fruitful, and started the discussion with a (very) partial claim. Restricting my suit to one of three seemed almost the minimal info I could offer to begin such a dialog. What suit are you? You seem to imply that you think (or think I think) that playing card == vanilla. This tells us more about you than me; three possibilities for you are: - Vanilla Town playing card;
- Power Town non-card; or
- Scum probing to determine the name/power relationship of Townies.
@ septimus - why did you state twice that you are town? #74 and #154 Are you skimming? I explained this before the second post. I still don't read how I implied whether or not I'm vanilla. (BTW, there are two types of card -- number and picture -- and I deliberately concealed for the moment which type I was.) What I do see is you specifically asking me if I'm vanilla. And with your latest post, after allegedly concluding that I'm a Power role, telling the world of this opinion! I'm relatively inexperienced at this game. If a Townie guesses who has a Power role, is it considered pro-Town to announce it in the public thread? No, it's pro-Scum: use the public thread to help confirm/reject one's Power guess and avoid a wasteful NK. To help Scum guess Power roles, especially when there is no other obvious NK candidate, seems so scummy, I'd definitely move my vote to you, were it not already on you.
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Post by septimus on May 17, 2011 17:30:20 GMT -5
... [if] scum did not kill colby ... then a scum meeko would not have known colby was going to be alive or dead so he really could not have known to add in anything about still being forced to vote for a dead player regardless of who that player was. Does that make sense? Meeko knew colby was dead when he edited his PM if it was a fake PM. It seems to me that clever scum could be trying to build cred for each other. Meeko, the politician, and whoever killed colby could all be scum, with colby chosen for target just to give cred to the remainder of this trio when one of them flips.
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Post by metallicsquink on May 17, 2011 18:39:37 GMT -5
... [if] scum did not kill colby ... then a scum meeko would not have known colby was going to be alive or dead so he really could not have known to add in anything about still being forced to vote for a dead player regardless of who that player was. Does that make sense? Meeko knew colby was dead when he edited his PM if it was a fake PM. It seems to me that clever scum could be trying to build cred for each other. Meeko, the politician, and whoever killed colby could all be scum, with colby chosen for target just to give cred to the remainder of this trio when one of them flips. I see. Then it seems like a pretty bad move on a scum meeko's part to add something to his PM that wasn't in pinkies' PM and that draws even more attention to meeko. Not that scum wouldn't do that but still, I would think if the PM was fake, he would have just taken pinkies' PM word for word.
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