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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 30, 2011 7:46:45 GMT -5
Well it's been quite a while since I've seen a Day 5. I would guess that the Joat had a one shot kill and took out Lightfoot. Town: Plankton, MHaye Most Probably Town: Story, Moley, Archangel, Ma'at So that leaves probably two scum from: Rysto, Ginger, Charlie, Cais, Septimus, Guiri I see Guiri has now claimed 3rd party survivor. Guiri is very good at this game and I find it very difficult to get a read on him either way. Personally, I prefer a statement of "I am not scum" for the LD, as a false reading of "I am town" does not clarify whether someone is scum or 3rd party. Assuming there are two scum left, and if someone does have a day vig power, we *could* win this toDay. I propose a mass claim, and would suggest the following order: Rysto Ginger CAIS Charlie Septimus Archangel Ma'at Story i'm amenable to a mass claim although it will likely end an exciting game. ;D any reasons for the order? it seems the one you trust the most are last. wouldn't you want it the other way around? masons would be first if there were in this game. Ummmm Gnarly do you know why you have a vote on your already with no one voting you so far? I curious, you're not?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 30, 2011 7:54:22 GMT -5
Ummmm Gnarly do you know why you have a vote on your already with no one voting you so far? I curious, you're not? with all the voting shenanigans, i'm not surprised anymore. besides would anyone volunteer the answer if i asked? i think a mass claim will clear that up soon enough. it's still early in the Day and i'm not lynch leader so i'm not going to fret.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 30, 2011 7:57:39 GMT -5
Ummmm Gnarly do you know why you have a vote on your already with no one voting you so far? I curious, you're not? with all the voting shenanigans, i'm not surprised anymore. besides would anyone volunteer the answer if i asked? i think a mass claim will clear that up soon enough. it's still early in the Day and i'm not lynch leader so i'm not going to fret. But, it does not seem that it is voting shenanigans. Every time someones vote has been stolen the person posts the vote before the count. This seems as if it is a penalty vote. Just because Bill wants a mass claim, and not that I am against it, but it doesn't mean that it is 100% going to happen.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 30, 2011 8:02:25 GMT -5
with all the voting shenanigans, i'm not surprised anymore. besides would anyone volunteer the answer if i asked? i think a mass claim will clear that up soon enough. it's still early in the Day and i'm not lynch leader so i'm not going to fret. But, it does not seem that it is voting shenanigans. Every time someones vote has been stolen the person posts the vote before the count. This seems as if it is a penalty vote. Just because Bill wants a mass claim, and not that I am against it, but it doesn't mean that it is 100% going to happen. i don't think i've violated any rules so it must be something else. while i do agree that the mass claim may not happen, i can't worry over something i can't control. if i am in danger of being lynched, of course, i would try to save myself. but for now it's wait and see.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 30, 2011 8:08:57 GMT -5
But, it does not seem that it is voting shenanigans. Every time someones vote has been stolen the person posts the vote before the count. This seems as if it is a penalty vote. Just because Bill wants a mass claim, and not that I am against it, but it doesn't mean that it is 100% going to happen. i don't think i've violated any rules so it must be something else. while i do agree that the mass claim may not happen, i can't worry over something i can't control. if i am in danger of being lynched, of course, i would try to save myself. but for now it's wait and see. And yet you vote that you placed on CIAS is not being counted either. It bothered you in Day 4, now it doesn't. I find it odd that you are not curious about it one bit and didn't mention it. I guess we will have to wait and see...
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 30, 2011 8:36:27 GMT -5
I am in favor of a mass claim. At this stage, we can probably leverage a finish to this on force of numbers and confirmables alone.
I don't think the claim order matters very much, to be honest. Happy to do it in Bill's order, if folks prefer, but a claim-when-you-are-online approach might speed things up and get the claim over with more quickly.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 30, 2011 8:48:05 GMT -5
Since I am 2nd on BillMc's list and I have no patience waiting for Rysto...
Mafia in Wonderland « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm »
You are the Five of Hearts.
You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off.
You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.
You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated.
I will also add for the LD:
The Role PM above is my complete original unaltered mod-provided role description.
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Post by Rysto on May 30, 2011 9:14:37 GMT -5
You are the Four of Hearts.
You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off.
You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.
You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated.
The preceding is my complete original unaltered mod-provided role.
My first vanilla role in 3 long, long years...
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Post by Archangel on May 30, 2011 9:58:47 GMT -5
Bill, I've already claimed, so do you want me to post my original role PM? Will do so. I'll wait a bit to see if the others go first in your order.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 30, 2011 10:30:24 GMT -5
first two claims and we get nilla. without prejudice to the claims, i expect scum would likely claim nilla. here's what we have so far (claimed and actual): - Watcher - Meeko
- Vigilante - Dirx
- Vanilla - Archangel, Rysto, Just Being Ginger
- Survivor - Guiri
- Strongman - Lightfoot
- Serial Killer - Bill
- Scotsman - Suburban
- Roleblocker
- Politician - Metallic Squink
- Mad Bomber - Fluid Druid
- Lie Detector - Merestil Haye
- Jack of All Trades
- Gossip - Honest Moley
- Godfather
- Doctor
- Cop - Special Ed
it can also be viewed this way: 1. Bill Mc -- Alice, Serial Killer turned Vanilla 2. LightFoot -- The March Hare, Scum Strongman - Killed Night Four 3. Honest Moley -- Dormouse, Eavesdropper/Communication Specialist 4. gnarlycharlie 5. Special Ed -- The Cheshire Cat, Town Cop - Killed Night Two 6. Captain Pinkies -- Ten of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day Two 7. colby11 -- Mary Ann, Vanilla Town - Killed Night Two 8. ace093 -- Six of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day One 9. septimus 10. Archangel -- Vanilla 11. metallic squink - Dodo Bird, Scum Politician - Lynched, Day Four 12. Dirx -- Ace of Hearts, Town Optional Vig - Killed, Night Three 13. storyteller0910 14. Ma'at 15. Suburban Plankton -- White Rabbit, Scotsman 16. JustBeingGinger -- Five of Hearts, Vanilla 17. fluiddruid -- King of Hearts, Third Party Mad Bomber/Politician - Killed Night Two 18. guiri -- Bill the Lizard, Third Party Survivor 19. Meeko -- Knave of Hearts, Scum Watcher - Lynched Day Three 20. Rysto -- Four of Hearts, Vanilla 21. Merestil Haye -- Caterpillar, Lie Detector 22. Cat in A Suit
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Post by Ma'at on May 30, 2011 10:51:12 GMT -5
I'm for a mass claim though won't be on my computer for a few hours so can't post my PM til later in th day. I think bill wanted that order (most to least suspicious) so if a scum tries to claim a card number already held by a townie, the townie can call them out on it. (will admit I was hoping to do that with Rysto but no such luck). Typing from my phone, so no formatting.
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Post by BillMc on May 30, 2011 15:27:17 GMT -5
Bill, I've already claimed, so do you want me to post my original role PM? Will do so. I'll wait a bit to see if the others go first in your order. Yes, please post it, tho I would prefer you wait till those proceeding you have claimed.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 30, 2011 16:09:51 GMT -5
Bill, can you elaborate on why you prefer the rigid claiming order, which will probably result in the mass claim finishing up much later in the Day?
I would personally prefer to claim sooner than last, for a few different reasons.
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Post by BillMc on May 30, 2011 16:13:54 GMT -5
Bill, can you elaborate on why you prefer the rigid claiming order, which will probably result in the mass claim finishing up much later in the Day? I would personally prefer to claim sooner than last, for a few different reasons. I'm not too bothered about the claim order - tho given the first two claims, I would prefer that Archangel wait before posting her PM.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 30, 2011 16:32:17 GMT -5
first two claims and we get nilla. without prejudice to the claims, i expect scum would likely claim nilla. here's what we have so far (claimed and actual): - Watcher - Meeko
- Vigilante - Dirx
- Vanilla - Archangel, Rysto, Just Being Ginger
- Survivor - Guiri
- Strongman - Lightfoot
- Serial Killer - Bill
- Scotsman - Suburban
- Roleblocker
- Politician - Metallic Squink
- Mad Bomber - Fluid Druid
- Lie Detector - Merestil Haye
- Jack of All Trades
- Gossip - Honest Moley
- Godfather
- Doctor
- Cop - Special Ed
it can also be viewed this way: 1. Bill Mc -- Alice, Serial Killer turned Vanilla 2. LightFoot -- The March Hare, Scum Strongman - Killed Night Four 3. Honest Moley -- Dormouse, Eavesdropper/Communication Specialist 4. gnarlycharlie 5. Special Ed -- The Cheshire Cat, Town Cop - Killed Night Two 6. Captain Pinkies -- Ten of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day Two 7. colby11 -- Mary Ann, Vanilla Town - Killed Night Two 8. ace093 -- Six of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day One 9. septimus 10. Archangel -- Vanilla 11. metallic squink - Dodo Bird, Scum Politician - Lynched, Day Four 12. Dirx -- Ace of Hearts, Town Optional Vig - Killed, Night Three 13. storyteller0910 14. Ma'at 15. Suburban Plankton -- White Rabbit, Scotsman 16. JustBeingGinger -- Five of Hearts, Vanilla 17. fluiddruid -- King of Hearts, Third Party Mad Bomber/Politician - Killed Night Two 18. guiri -- Bill the Lizard, Third Party Survivor 19. Meeko -- Knave of Hearts, Scum Watcher - Lynched Day Three 20. Rysto -- Four of Hearts, Vanilla 21. Merestil Haye -- Caterpillar, Lie Detector 22. Cat in A Suit (Well, technically my name IS in this quote... sorry Sis C.) Quick thoughts because I don't have time to do a long, detailed analysis here: 1) I would expect a scum Godfather and Roleblocker, and a town Doc. I wouldn't necessarily say any of them were certain except possibly the Godfather (in "Smasher Mansion", I was essentially a scum doc pretending to be a town one). If we're looking for two remaining scum, it wouldn't surprise me if they were a roleblocker and Godfather. I'm inclining to the opinion that we're actually looking for three, though, just because the town PRs are SO powerful. I'd actually be fairly surprised if there wasn't some kind of scum cop role, although "watcher" may fulfil that role in itself to some extent. 2) If the vanilla townies are all named playing cards, I'd bet good money that the scum have been given a selection of "innocent" identities that nobody else has, like in "Arkham Knights". Otherwise the game would be totally broken. 3) Not exactly relevant to deducing anything, but I still like the Queen of Hearts as the Godfather, especially since we've had a confirmed scummy King of Hearts.
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Post by Archangel on May 30, 2011 16:57:20 GMT -5
All right, I'm back and I see they haven't claimed yet. I'll check in again in an hour or so.
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Post by Ma'at on May 30, 2011 16:58:28 GMT -5
Going to go ahead and post mine since I'm impatient. You are the Seven of Hearts.You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote. You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. a big fat to Rysto and Moley
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 30, 2011 21:21:35 GMT -5
Howdy folks...I'm just popping my head in to say how happy I am to still have a head to pop in...
Just in case it can be of any use to anyone, here is my full PM:
I'm in the midst of a busy Memorial Day, so I probably won't be online again until tomorrow morning.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 31, 2011 5:08:04 GMT -5
So, let's see what has happened since I was last around.
Well, looks like I was wrong about squink and BillMc is a much better player than I could hope to be.
BillMc: Any possibility the Day Killer you keep going on about was DirX?
I wonder who did get blocked last night if it wasn't moley.
PM as follows: ------------------------------------------------------------
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So BillMc, who do we vote for next?
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Post by septimus on May 31, 2011 6:31:28 GMT -5
I do not understand why we are claiming.
There are thirteen living players: 1 confirmed Town - Suburban 2 semi-confirmed Town - Bill Mc, MHaye 2 odd claims - Moley, guiri 8 unknowns (gnarlie, septimus, Archangel, story, Ma'at, Ginger, Rysto, CIAS)
With our Cop dead, the Godfather is about the same as Vanilla Mafia, right? And with the Vig dead, our Doc, if we have one, is going to claim Vanilla, right? (Hidden, he or she can protect MHaye; exposed he/she will obviously self-protect.)
So the 8 unknowns, which include perhaps 2 Scum and a Doc(*), will all claim Vanilla Town -- what is the purpose of the claiming? (* - every game I've seen has had a Doc. Is it safe to assume there is one in this game?)
Claiming is good when it leads to an easy win, but I don't see that here. If we can't prioritize the 8 unknown Players, it will take us 8 Days to Lynch them all. It will take only 3 Days for Scum to NK our 3 confirmed or semi-confirmed Townies.
What am I missing?
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 31, 2011 7:14:44 GMT -5
Well, for one thing, me. I am the Queen of Hearts.I am not the Scum Godfather, nor the Doctor (who should claim vanilla! The Doctor PLEASE SHOULD NOT CLAIM RIGHT NOW). I am also not third party. I am claiming earlier than my place in Bill's order because: (1) I know that there will be some who want to lynch me for my name alone; and (2) I have a power that can be used to help in the present situation. My role PM follows. I have redacted two sentences describing exactly how my power is activated, as I would prefer to keep anyone from having the opportunity to mess with it via role-block or (god forbid) redirect. I'll reveal the exact mechanism by which the power is used if absolutely necessary, but I hope it will not be necessary. I have not used my power yet. It is my own role that has led me to maintain a certain level of suspicion that BillMc is, in fact, Alice the Godfather. if the Queen of Hearts is Town - and she is - then Alice as the leader of the Scum makes a certain sort of sense. More on this a bit later.
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Post by Renata on May 31, 2011 7:51:17 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Ma'at (2,2)*: Rysto [4], Honest Moley [7] Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,0) CatInaSuit (0,0): gnarlycharlie [16]
With these votes, Ma'at will be lynched.
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Post by Rysto on May 31, 2011 8:23:42 GMT -5
I wonder who did get blocked last night if it wasn't moley. Who said moley got blocked?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 31, 2011 8:37:36 GMT -5
It is my own role that has led me to maintain a certain level of suspicion that BillMc is, in fact, Alice the Godfather. if the Queen of Hearts is Town - and she is - then Alice as the leader of the Scum makes a certain sort of sense. More on this a bit later. that's a possibility. however, it would seem strange that Bill would both be the Godfather and SK. also he already has 2 PMs. that would imply they are fakes, pretty good ones at that. if that's how you feel, why haven't you killed him? at any rate, Town has numerical superiority. a mass claim i believe would be advantageous.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 31, 2011 8:51:18 GMT -5
that's a possibility. however, it would seem strange that Bill would both be the Godfather and SK. When did we learn, for sure, that Bill was an SK? As far as I've seen, we have only his self-report that he killed colby, right? It is entirely possible that he is telling the truth; it's also possible that the now deceased Scum "Strongman" had an extra kill and used it on colby, and Bill used the death of colby to generate a convincing vanilla alibi. Or any number of equally compelling possibilities (Bill as sleeper Godfather who became a full fledged member of the Scum team upon killing a Townie, as just one of dozens of examples). The danger of the situation with regard to Bill is that a lot of players have - now that a lot of time has passed - begun to regard his claims as facts. You have illustrated this is your post above, assuming that Bill was indeed a pseudo-SK as claimed. This is a very bad idea. The provision of fake PMs to Scum is not exactly unheard of in this game. "Maintaining a healthy suspicion of a player who has proven nothing" is not the same as "certain enough that a player is Scum to unilaterally kill him." Don't you think? Though honestly, in light of this morning's death reveals, my suspicion of Bill's various claims has deepened considerably. Does no one else think it at least somewhat worthy of note that, if Bill is to believed, Town has now been given two Scotsmen?
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Post by Rysto on May 31, 2011 9:15:17 GMT -5
that's a possibility. however, it would seem strange that Bill would both be the Godfather and SK. also he already has 2 PMs. that would imply they are fakes, pretty good ones at that. What concerns me more is that if story is telling the truth, who on earth killed Lightfoot? I'm going to have a very hard time believing in three pro-Town killing roles. I'm having a hard time believing in two, to be honest.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 31, 2011 9:35:37 GMT -5
that's a possibility. however, it would seem strange that Bill would both be the Godfather and SK. When did we learn, for sure, that Bill was an SK? As far as I've seen, we have only his self-report that he killed colby, right? It is entirely possible that he is telling the truth; it's also possible that the now deceased Scum "Strongman" had an extra kill and used it on colby, and Bill used the death of colby to generate a convincing vanilla alibi. Or any number of equally compelling possibilities (Bill as sleeper Godfather who became a full fledged member of the Scum team upon killing a Townie, as just one of dozens of examples). The danger of the situation with regard to Bill is that a lot of players have - now that a lot of time has passed - begun to regard his claims as facts. You have illustrated this is your post above, assuming that Bill was indeed a pseudo-SK as claimed. This is a very bad idea. The provision of fake PMs to Scum is not exactly unheard of in this game. "Maintaining a healthy suspicion of a player who has proven nothing" is not the same as "certain enough that a player is Scum to unilaterally kill him." Don't you think? Though honestly, in light of this morning's death reveals, my suspicion of Bill's various claims has deepened considerably. Does no one else think it at least somewhat worthy of note that, if Bill is to believed, Town has now been given two Scotsmen? i agree that Bill isn't confirmed. only Suburban is. however he is in my probably Town list unless we keep missing scum the next rounds. i don't think he was ever a Scotsman. i saw it as WIFOM for scum. anyway, in the meantime what do you suggest?
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Post by Archangel on May 31, 2011 9:44:28 GMT -5
When did we learn, for sure, that Bill was an SK? As far as I've seen, we have only his self-report that he killed colby, right? It is entirely possible that he is telling the truth; it's also possible that the now deceased Scum "Strongman" had an extra kill and used it on colby, and Bill used the death of colby to generate a convincing vanilla alibi. Or any number of equally compelling possibilities (Bill as sleeper Godfather who became a full fledged member of the Scum team upon killing a Townie, as just one of dozens of examples). The danger of the situation with regard to Bill is that a lot of players have - now that a lot of time has passed - begun to regard his claims as facts. You have illustrated this is your post above, assuming that Bill was indeed a pseudo-SK as claimed. This is a very bad idea. The provision of fake PMs to Scum is not exactly unheard of in this game. "Maintaining a healthy suspicion of a player who has proven nothing" is not the same as "certain enough that a player is Scum to unilaterally kill him." Don't you think? Though honestly, in light of this morning's death reveals, my suspicion of Bill's various claims has deepened considerably. Does no one else think it at least somewhat worthy of note that, if Bill is to believed, Town has now been given two Scotsmen? i agree that Bill isn't confirmed. only Suburban is. however he is in my probably Town list unless we keep missing scum the next rounds. i don't think he was ever a Scotsman. i saw it as WIFOM for scum. anyway, in the meantime what do you suggest? That's how I saw it too. Bill was instrumental in getting Metallic Squink and Lightfoot killed. He could be scum godfather bussing his way to a win, but it seems much more likely that he's town. In the meantime, Vote CatInASuitwho appears to me to have been in collusion with Metallic Squink for days
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Post by septimus on May 31, 2011 10:22:08 GMT -5
I think I'm supposed to wait for Charlies's claim according to the ordained order. (Did I miss your claim, or why aren't you cooperating, gnarlycharlie? ). But I'll go ahead and post my role PM now since I'm soon going off-line and to bed. Anyway I'm just the lowly Deuce. The Role PM above is the complete original unaltered role PM I received from sister coyote. As to whom we should Lynch ... as usual I get confuseder and confuseder as the game goes on. BillMc certainly seems Town, leading us to the destruction of three Scummies and posting PMs which only a CIA agent with nerves of steel could dare to forge. I'm sure he probably is Town.... But could he be going for a Special Oscar -- Greatest Performance Ever by a Mafia Godfather ?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 31, 2011 10:47:54 GMT -5
I think I'm supposed to wait for Charlies's claim according to the ordained order. (Did I miss your claim, or why aren't you cooperating, gnarlycharlie? ). i can't help it if you're impatient. besides, just because Bill preferred that order, it doesn't mean i do. i'll wait for Archangel to claim first, thank you. by the way, interesting claim. it's the lowest card. i don't think i've seen all the other card numbers and yet we have the Two of Hearts.
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