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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 31, 2011 13:35:32 GMT -5
NETA: The smiley after gnarlycharlie was unintentional. It was simply supposed to be three question marks.
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Post by Archangel on May 31, 2011 14:27:09 GMT -5
I'm not scum, and I'm not a town power either. I'm exactly what I claimed, vanilla town. (Having been a moderator, I can tell you that moderators don't always PERFECTLY homogenize PMs.)
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Post by Archangel on May 31, 2011 14:33:27 GMT -5
And, here's my PM pasted properly. The "three" was not capitalized though.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 31, 2011 14:50:50 GMT -5
(Having been a moderator, I can tell you that moderators don't always PERFECTLY homogenize PMs.) NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it isn't so!!!!
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2011 15:06:35 GMT -5
Here are the remaining players along with their claimed roles as things stand Today: Honest Moley - Eavesdropper storyteller - Day Vig MHaye - Lie Detector guiri - Survivor CatInaSuit - Vanilla Rysto - Vanilla JustBeingGinger - Vanilla Suburban Plankton - Vanilla Ma'at - Vanilla septimus - Vanilla Archangel - Vanilla? BillMc - Vanilla, immune to Night Kills? gnarlycharlie - We have 3 dead Scum in a 22-man game, so there's probably 1 more Scum remaining, and possibly a PFK. I think today's lynch should come from the following pool. CatInaSuit - because I think he's the most Scummy BillMc - because I think he might be a PFK gnarlycharlie - because his delay in claiming smells bad guiri - because Survivor is a 'safe' claim for someone who has been outed as 'not town' Of course, I haven't cast a single vote on a known Scum yet this game, so I'm not sure how much wieght you should give to my suspicions. The only thing I can guarantee is that I have the best interests of the town in mind. I'm not voting at the moment because I'd like to hear from a few more people before doing so. Then we have a problem, because I think this lynch should be between Ma'at and JustBeingGinger, with a strong preference towards Ma'at. The one thing I can find in his favour - and this is a VERY small thing - is that Paranoia, right at the start of the first day, made an offhand comment about not thinking the case against Ace amounted to much. (I'd have to go way, way back to find it.) It seemed a little too early for scum to have discussed opposing bandwagons, etc. ...And that's pretty much it. Everything else I've got on Ma'at is strongly negative. I get the same vibe from him that I did with BillMC in the first two rounds. As for Ginger, I don't know why she's being neglected right now. At the very beginning I thought she gave off an "insane town" vibe but I'm not convinced. For scum #5, I think it's between her and GnarlyCharlie, but right now I'm leaning towards Ginger. If I'm wrong about one of them, I think I'd be right about the other one whatever happens, because I can't at this point see both of these two people being town. Scum #6 - and I do think there is one - I'm not sure about. CIAS maybe, but something about the combination of CIAS - Ma'at - Ginger / Gnarly just feels a little too "easy". Like that's what we're supposed to think. Also the voting records don't tally that well. Oh, and going back to the question of BillMC... STORYTELLER! Welcome back! It seems to have been a long time since we hunted down Batman and his goons together in a bid to take over the world; I miss those days. (Incidentally, I'd like to use that sentence in an entirely different context one day.) It's fair to say that this is the point in the game at which my particular brand of scum-hunting becomes much less valuable, and yours becomes more so. This is the problem with coming from a board where roles are treated much more casually, to a game like this one. You tend to ignore vital evidence. For example, the point about the two strongmen didn't even occur to me. Then again, it's well-known that I'm crap with roles; Meeko is proof enough of that. Then again, this may be a case of being hoist with your own petard, because you'd have to have a pretty big restriction to make two voluntary vigs viable in a balanced 22-man game. I'm keeping that in mind. BillMC, I'd certainly like to see an answer to Storyteller's points. Maybe (and I apologise about asking for this in advance, but it's the easiest way I can see to clear it up) you could explain your role, claims, and general ways of thinking, from the start of the game until now? As briefly as possible anyhow. PS - everyone ask me about stuff please! It's getting harder and harder to find my name posted anywhere...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 31, 2011 15:19:00 GMT -5
Moley, do you really think we have 6 Scum in this game?
Doesn't that seem just a bit overbalanced? Especially with one confirmed 3rd party, and two other claimed?
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2011 15:36:41 GMT -5
Moley, do you really think we have 6 Scum in this game? Doesn't that seem just a bit overbalanced? Especially with one confirmed 3rd party, and two other claimed? We have two claimed vigs (one confirmed) and three claimed investigators (all of them confirmed, if you accept that I am, which you should). The only thing we seem to be lacking is a doc, but we've got a confirmed Strongman to make up for it. If there were seriously only five scum - and no serial killer bar Bill, assuming he's telling the truth - then they're seriously underpowered.
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Post by Ma'at on May 31, 2011 15:45:02 GMT -5
I’m also waiting to hear from Bill regarding Story’s fairly compelling argument (compelling arguments do not a scum make, but responses to them can be enlightening)
And waiting on a claim from Gnarley (and with everything else going on today, I could see why a mystery vote on him and his vote again not counting might not be at the top of his list to discuss, but not being concerned about it at all is odd)
Hoping posts from those two will help me make up my mind
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 31, 2011 15:45:11 GMT -5
Moley, do you really think we have 6 Scum in this game? Doesn't that seem just a bit overbalanced? Especially with one confirmed 3rd party, and two other claimed? We have two claimed vigs (one confirmed) and three claimed investigators (all of them confirmed, if you accept that I am, which you should). The only thing we seem to be lacking is a doc, but we've got a confirmed Strongman to make up for it. If there were seriously only five scum - and no serial killer bar Bill, assuming he's telling the truth - then they're seriously underpowered. Hi, Moley - A few quick responses to some stuff, plus a question, then more from me tomorrow: 1. gnarlycharly has not claimed. He might as well, because he's probably a Doctor (or JOAT) and everyone knows it. 2. If we have no Serial Killer, then based on the claims we've seen I don't understand how Lightfoot wound up dead. It puts extreme pressure on guiri, as a claimed third party, as a possible culprit. If there is a pro-Town player who can claim responsibility in any way for the death of Lightfoot, (s)he should tell us as soon as possible, as it will affect a lot about how we move forward. 3. On a related subject - while I understand the way you used your power last Night, I suggest using it on guiri toNight, and on a fairly regular basis (unless an explanation for Lightfoot's death arises). If there is an extra kill at any point and guiri has not sent a PM to the Mod, we may be reasonably confident that he is not responsible for it. If he IS a SK and he decides to keep it in his pants, metaphorically speaking, for fear of getting caught out by you, then at least we don't have extra deaths. Thoughts?
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Post by Ma'at on May 31, 2011 15:52:06 GMT -5
Oh, and I’d also like Gnarley to explain his theory on why Septimus being the Two of Hearts may indicate he’s not vanilla and why he thought Archangel was the Eight
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Post by Rysto on May 31, 2011 16:08:04 GMT -5
2. If we have no Serial Killer, then based on the claims we've seen I don't understand how Lightfoot wound up dead. It puts extreme pressure on guiri, as a claimed third party, as a possible culprit. If there is a pro-Town player who can claim responsibility in any way for the death of Lightfoot, (s)he should tell us as soon as possible, as it will affect a lot about how we move forward. Given that we can be quite confident that Bill was responsible for colby's death, he'd be my first suspect as an SK. I know that he came back clean from MHaye's investigation, but we've seen investigation-immune SKs before, too.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 31, 2011 18:58:57 GMT -5
Then we have a problem, because I think this lynch should be between Ma'at and JustBeingGinger, with a strong preference towards Ma'at. The one thing I can find in his favour - and this is a VERY small thing - is that Paranoia, right at the start of the first day, made an offhand comment about not thinking the case against Ace amounted to much. (I'd have to go way, way back to find it.) It seemed a little too early for scum to have discussed opposing bandwagons, etc. ...And that's pretty much it. Everything else I've got on Ma'at is strongly negative. I get the same vibe from him that I did with BillMC in the first two rounds. As for Ginger, I don't know why she's being neglected right now. At the very beginning I thought she gave off an "insane town" vibe but I'm not convinced. For scum #5, I think it's between her and GnarlyCharlie, but right now I'm leaning towards Ginger. If I'm wrong about one of them, I think I'd be right about the other one whatever happens, because I can't at this point see both of these two people being town. Scum #6 - and I do think there is one - I'm not sure about. CIAS maybe, but something about the combination of CIAS - Ma'at - Ginger / Gnarly just feels a little too "easy". Like that's what we're supposed to think. Also the voting records don't tally that well. ********************************************* Quote from Day 4 post #323 This hurts, because I love me some Ginger. But I gotta lay a HUGE FoS on her. I'm not at all sure she's insane town any more, nor am I sure that her questioning of me at the end of Day One was as insane/benign as it appeared to be. Reasons: - Ginger has always, up until today, accepted pretty much everything Squink said without question. Whenever she mentions Squink, which has happened fairly rarely, it's in unquestioning agreement of whatever Squink has said. **************************************************** Moley, you think I am suspicious because I never questioned Squink, but have I ever questioned Septimus, Rysto, Bill, MHaye, Guiri, CIAS, Ma'at, and Storyteller? Now I would find my behavior odd if I had questioned what everyone has said, except Squink, but I have not. To tell you the truth, up until today all the back and forth posts were making me dizzy. It was a lot of he said she said posts. I mentioned Squink's name rarely like I have mentioned Septimus, Archangel, etc...I have spoken out about 3 players in this game. 1. Being Ace - I understood why she was taking a stand and not claiming. I had seen her get lynched as scum for being too open and claiming towniness and for going with the crowd on a decision. Those were her only two games. I did not know her alignment but I understood her actions by her history. 2. Pinkies - Yes, he was Town, but he was and always does play anti-town. I will never accept his playstyle as being pro-town. I unvoted him because he did claim very late in the day. 3. Gnarlycharlie - I have played every game with him so far in our history with the mafia games. He was being way too quiet and holding back, like he is now. There is a reason he is not claiming, I don't know it, but there is a reason. He is pro in regards to claiming so why has he not done it yet? Those are the three that I have really mentioned in this game. I find your reasons weak , simply because I never dis-agreed and questioned 1 player, which I never agree'd with either... I am quiet because I am still learning the game and when you play with vets that have been around the block and back, you tend to be intimidated... Kind of like when you mention a idea and you're called insane and your idea was ridiculous...
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2011 19:06:56 GMT -5
We have two claimed vigs (one confirmed) and three claimed investigators (all of them confirmed, if you accept that I am, which you should). The only thing we seem to be lacking is a doc, but we've got a confirmed Strongman to make up for it. If there were seriously only five scum - and no serial killer bar Bill, assuming he's telling the truth - then they're seriously underpowered. Hi, Moley - A few quick responses to some stuff, plus a question, then more from me tomorrow: 1. gnarlycharly has not claimed. He might as well, because he's probably a Doctor (or JOAT) and everyone knows it. 2. If we have no Serial Killer, then based on the claims we've seen I don't understand how Lightfoot wound up dead. It puts extreme pressure on guiri, as a claimed third party, as a possible culprit. If there is a pro-Town player who can claim responsibility in any way for the death of Lightfoot, (s)he should tell us as soon as possible, as it will affect a lot about how we move forward. 3. On a related subject - while I understand the way you used your power last Night, I suggest using it on guiri toNight, and on a fairly regular basis (unless an explanation for Lightfoot's death arises). If there is an extra kill at any point and guiri has not sent a PM to the Mod, we may be reasonably confident that he is not responsible for it. If he IS a SK and he decides to keep it in his pants, metaphorically speaking, for fear of getting caught out by you, then at least we don't have extra deaths. Thoughts? Well first of all, Guiri can be tested. Second of all, I suggest people try and keep confessionals, etc, until daylight, and keep your role actions to one sentence, no matter who you are or what your alignment is. (Although scummy scum, feel free to ignore this.) Let the night-actions deal with the third-parties for now. Whoever survives the night will hopefully have more info to use tomorrow. Thirdly, I really REALLY think we need to lynch the hypothetical scum roleblocker today. I was really hoping that Squink would be It, but unfortunately that's not the case. My thoughts are these: we put the Bill / Guiri issue on the back burner and lynch the best scum choice. I'm not sure between Ginger and Gnarly; but Ma'at, right now, looks like a lock for scum. (Sorry Ma'at if I'm wrong, but I'd be very surprised if I was.) I don't want to do a Dotchan again and lynch the survivor while there's still scum about; and frankly, if we can lynch all of the scum in quick succession and then still lose because the SK survives, regardless of however many players are left, then the game's broken anyway. I'm not going to be paranoid enough to assume that's going to happen.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 31, 2011 19:09:54 GMT -5
only Archangel has yet to claim what number she is. i'm guessing she's 8 and so septimus may not be vanilla. You also haven't claimed yet. One could argue that you're waiting to see what numbers are left before making your claim. Or are you claiming that you're the Three of Hearts? Oh, and I’d also like Gnarley to explain his theory on why Septimus being the Two of Hearts may indicate he’s not vanilla and why he thought Archangel was the Eight no, i wasn't claiming Three of Hearts especially since Archangel claimed that. i just wanted to point out that claiming Two of Hearts would be 'safe' since it's the lowest number. it is even more interesting that there isn't an Eight. it just the mod's preference or could be a sign someone's lying. now, since a couple of people have hinted they know and Archangel has claimed, it's my turn. this is accurate except where i removed the nature of my powers. Suburban, sorry, i know you wanted this character. ;D by the way, *I* took out Lightfoot last night.
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:13:24 GMT -5
First things first Vote: Ginger The formatting of this vanilla claim doesn't match the others - noticeably the use of italics. It looks like someone just copied the sample pm Since I am 2nd on BillMc's list and I have no patience waiting for Rysto... Mafia in Wonderland « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. I will also add for the LD: The Role PM above is my complete original unaltered mod-provided role description.
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:15:18 GMT -5
So, let's see what has happened since I was last around. Well, looks like I was wrong about squink and BillMc is a much better player than I could hope to be. BillMc: Any possibility the Day Killer you keep going on about was DirX? I wonder who did get blocked last night if it wasn't moley. Unlikely to be Dirx, too much power in one player Where is the evidence anyone was blocked??
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Post by Ma'at on May 31, 2011 19:20:20 GMT -5
@gnarley – how were you sure enough about Lightfoot’s alignment that you felt comfortable taking her out last night? Just asking because damn I must suck at this game if Bill was sure she was scum (from his posts), and you were sure enough she was scum (since you took her out) and I really was not thinking she looked all that scummy (and I’ve played two other games with her). Not questioning you necessarily, just trying to learn…(I will let others question you if they find your post suspicious).
And I will respond to Moley in a bit (work gets in the way and all that)
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:20:29 GMT -5
Well, for one thing, me. I am the Queen of Hearts.I am not the Scum Godfather, nor the Doctor (who should claim vanilla! The Doctor PLEASE SHOULD NOT CLAIM RIGHT NOW). I am also not third party. I am claiming earlier than my place in Bill's order because: (1) I know that there will be some who want to lynch me for my name alone; and (2) I have a power that can be used to help in the present situation. My role PM follows. I have redacted two sentences describing exactly how my power is activated, as I would prefer to keep anyone from having the opportunity to mess with it via role-block or (god forbid) redirect. I'll reveal the exact mechanism by which the power is used if absolutely necessary, but I hope it will not be necessary. I have not used my power yet. It is my own role that has led me to maintain a certain level of suspicion that BillMc is, in fact, Alice the Godfather. if the Queen of Hearts is Town - and she is - then Alice as the leader of the Scum makes a certain sort of sense. More on this a bit later. You still have that broomstick up your ass from me picking out your scummy ass in the last few games. I had you marked as a probable town power in this game on day 1. If I was scum, I would have dealt with you on day 1. And given Colby's one off power was activated by his "pack of cards" comment - I'll take a stab at saying yours will also be activated by a phrase. As Dirx correctly postulated - I did meet my win con It seems awfully fortuitous that you nailed your wincon on your first successful kill. To add the last bit I withheld from my PM after killing Colby So vig me if you want, I met my win con either way.
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:23:15 GMT -5
But could he be going for a Special Oscar -- Greatest Performance Ever by a Mafia Godfather ? After a 12 hr flight with a screaming kid two rows in front of me, I'd settle for a good nights sleep And Dear Bose - your noise cancelling headphones are ineffective against kids
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:25:39 GMT -5
Town: Plankton, MHaye Most Probably Town: Story, Moley, Archangel, Ma'at Bill, I don't recall MHaye as being 'confirmed', although the evidence does seem quite strong in favor. Still, I'm interested why you chose to mark him as "Town" rather than "Most Probably Town". So you have Story accusing me of bussing 3 "fellow" scum -- and since MHaye pulled the noose around Squink's neck, he would need to have been in on it. In my book, MHaye is as close to confirmed as he can be
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Post by Ma'at on May 31, 2011 19:28:13 GMT -5
Oh! Interesting Bill. I noticed they were italicized, but thought she just added that in there herself for emphasis. Did not notice (until I just checked since you posted) that the sample PM is also italicized. My PM definitely is not, and the others that posted were not. I can sort of maybe believe Archangel (easy for a Mod to forget to capitalize), but very weird that Ginger would have italicized hers for emphasis *and* the sample PM was italicized. Unless she is one of the missing power roles? (But why would she be so quick to claim toDay, if that was the case)?
Will wait to see what Ginger has to say about this…
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 31, 2011 19:41:20 GMT -5
@gnarley – how were you sure enough about Lightfoot’s alignment that you felt comfortable taking her out last night? Just asking because damn I must suck at this game if Bill was sure she was scum (from his posts), and you were sure enough she was scum (since you took her out) and I really was not thinking she looked all that scummy (and I’ve played two other games with her). Not questioning you necessarily, just trying to learn…(I will let others question you if they find your post suspicious). i found her last vote off. that and i decided to trust Bill as well. i did ask him about what he thought about CIAS yesterDay. Oh! Interesting Bill. I noticed they were italicized, but thought she just added that in there herself for emphasis. Did not notice (until I just checked since you posted) that the sample PM is also italicized. My PM definitely is not, and the others that posted were not. I can sort of maybe believe Archangel (easy for a Mod to forget to capitalize), but very weird that Ginger would have italicized hers for emphasis *and* the sample PM was italicized. Unless she is one of the missing power roles? (But why would she be so quick to claim toDay, if that was the case)? Will wait to see what Ginger has to say about this… yes, she could be the Doc. i'm not going change my vote (albeit useless) based on the italics.
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:54:35 GMT -5
BillMC, I'd certainly like to see an answer to Storyteller's points. Maybe (and I apologise about asking for this in advance, but it's the easiest way I can see to clear it up) you could explain your role, claims, and general ways of thinking, from the start of the game until now? As briefly as possible anyhow. Full PM's below. To meet my personal wincon, I had to find and kill Alice, which meant staying alive long enough to win -- which meant I really shouldn't put any possible scum under any pressure. So while to me it seemed most likely Ace was town, I was quite happy to let her get lynched. The same with Pinkies - while his playstyle is often scummy, his "tells" are fairly predictable. Colby making the "pack of cards" statement, along with his wanting to remain alive made me suspicious of him - and when i couldnt find him on N1, and no kills, it looked like he was up to no good, so I tried again. So as of Day 3 I had met my wincon, and was now town, and could get on with scum hunting. Colby turning up dead must have spooked the scum -- he was never a good target for a vig. After Plankton's reaction yesterday to my "not night killable" comments - i was not surprised to see that he was a scotsman My Original PM: The PM I got on Day 3:
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Post by BillMc on May 31, 2011 19:55:06 GMT -5
Comments Moley?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 31, 2011 20:03:21 GMT -5
First things first Vote: Ginger [/color] The formatting of this vanilla claim doesn't match the others - noticeably the use of italics. It looks like someone just copied the sample pm Since I am 2nd on BillMc's list and I have no patience waiting for Rysto... Mafia in Wonderland « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. I will also add for the LD: The Role PM above is my complete original unaltered mod-provided role description. [/quote] Well you see what happened was, I deleted my original PM by mistake. I was cleaning out my inbox from all of the Scooby Doo messages and I must of checked the first PM from Wonderland. I searched for a "trash bin" but there is not one here. Once you delete you delete. I found the sample PM in the rules. I said that for the LD because technically it was provided by the MOD in the rules and I did not know it was any different than mine except for my role and alignment. IF you don't believe me here is this for the LD. Mhaye can test it tonight if he wants. I am town
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Post by Ma'at on May 31, 2011 21:49:23 GMT -5
First things first Vote: Ginger (bleached) The formatting of this vanilla claim doesn't match the others - noticeably the use of italics. It looks like someone just copied the sample pm Well you see what happened was, I deleted my original PM by mistake. I was cleaning out my inbox from all of the Scooby Doo messages and I must of checked the first PM from Wonderland. I searched for a "trash bin" but there is not one here. Once you delete you delete. I found the sample PM in the rules. I said that for the LD because technically it was provided by the MOD in the rules and I did not know it was any different than mine except for my role and alignment. IF you don't believe me here is this for the LD. Mhaye can test it tonight if he wants. I am town Maybe I'm different since I subbed in, but I only received *one* PM from the mod. You say above that you deleted your "first PM from Wonderland", which seems to indicate that there was more than one. So, unless everyone else who is vanilla town also received more than one email (and I'm the odd man out since I subbed in), this smells awfully fishy to me. Either you are a town power role, or you are a scum power role. If you were a town power role, why would you be so quick to claim? Why not wait it out like some of the others ( Gnarley, and maybe Archangel). (And, if scum were given hints as to fake cards to claim, then scum fake claiming town quickly doesn't seem too hard to believe) Unless someone corrects me about the multiple emails, my vote is: vote Ginger
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 31, 2011 22:47:32 GMT -5
Maybe I'm different since I subbed in, but I only received *one* PM from the mod. You say above that you deleted your "first PM from Wonderland", which seems to indicate that there was more than one. So, unless everyone else who is vanilla town also received more than one email (and I'm the odd man out since I subbed in), this smells awfully fishy to me. Either you are a town power role, or you are a scum power role. If you were a town power role, why would you be so quick to claim? Why not wait it out like some of the others ( Gnarley, and maybe Archangel). (And, if scum were given hints as to fake cards to claim, then scum fake claiming town quickly doesn't seem too hard to believe) Unless someone corrects me about the multiple emails, my vote is: vote Ginger good catch. i can't say because i'm not vanilla. maybe the others can chime in.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 1, 2011 0:33:11 GMT -5
Hi, Moley - A few quick responses to some stuff, plus a question, then more from me tomorrow: 1. gnarlycharly has not claimed. He might as well, because he's probably a Doctor (or JOAT) and everyone knows it. 2. If we have no Serial Killer, then based on the claims we've seen I don't understand how Lightfoot wound up dead. It puts extreme pressure on guiri, as a claimed third party, as a possible culprit. If there is a pro-Town player who can claim responsibility in any way for the death of Lightfoot, (s)he should tell us as soon as possible, as it will affect a lot about how we move forward. 3. On a related subject - while I understand the way you used your power last Night, I suggest using it on guiri toNight, and on a fairly regular basis (unless an explanation for Lightfoot's death arises). If there is an extra kill at any point and guiri has not sent a PM to the Mod, we may be reasonably confident that he is not responsible for it. If he IS a SK and he decides to keep it in his pants, metaphorically speaking, for fear of getting caught out by you, then at least we don't have extra deaths. Thoughts? Well first of all, Guiri can be tested. Second of all, I suggest people try and keep confessionals, etc, until daylight, and keep your role actions to one sentence, no matter who you are or what your alignment is. (Although scummy scum, feel free to ignore this.) Let the night-actions deal with the third-parties for now. Whoever survives the night will hopefully have more info to use tomorrow. Thirdly, I really REALLY think we need to lynch the hypothetical scum roleblocker today. I was really hoping that Squink would be It, but unfortunately that's not the case. My thoughts are these: we put the Bill / Guiri issue on the back burner and lynch the best scum choice. I'm not sure between Ginger and Gnarly; but Ma'at, right now, looks like a lock for scum. (Sorry Ma'at if I'm wrong, but I'd be very surprised if I was.) I don't want to do a Dotchan again and lynch the survivor while there's still scum about; and frankly, if we can lynch all of the scum in quick succession and then still lose because the SK survives, regardless of however many players are left, then the game's broken anyway. I'm not going to be paranoid enough to assume that's going to happen. Moley - can you please let me know why you think I'm a "lock" for scum? Because I voted Archangel even though I said Meeko was probably scummier (while at the same time saying Meeko looked an awful lot like Pinkies)? Or something else?
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 3:43:50 GMT -5
Ramblings of someone working out the game.... So 22 players - and taking all 3rd party claims at face value, ie, from BillMc, guiri and fluiddruid and using 5 scum. 4 I think is too small and 6 probably too large. This gives us at the start: 14 x town, 5 x scum, 3 x 3rd party Rough guess at 7 vanilla and 7 power roles to balance and give the scum somewhere to hide. Town: Special Ed -- Town Cop Dirx -- Town Optional Vig colby11 -- One-off NK Block (Vanilla) Captain Pinkies -- Vanilla Town ace093 -- Vanilla Town Scum: LightFoot -- Scum Strongman metallic squink - Scum Politician Meeko -- Scum Watcher 3rd/PFK: fluiddruid -- Third Party Mad Bomber/Politician Claims: Honest Moley - eavesdropper gnarlycharlie - joat storyteller0910 - Limited day Vig Suburban Plankton - self confirming scotsman Merestil Haye - Lie Detector Bill Mc - survivor/sk/vanilla guiri - survivor septimus - vanilla Archangel - vanilla Ma'at - vanilla JustBeingGinger - vanilla Rysto - vanilla Cat in A Suit - vanilla The following are known, all JSPs are ish. Town - Cop + Vig + One-off NK block + 2 vanilla - 11 jsp Scum - Strongman + Politician + Watcher - 17 jsp Very likely to be a single vanilla scum due to the vanilla template put down. Godfather can't claim something as they would have to prove it and given the cop/LD, it is likely one exists. Both likely to choose vanilla. I doubt the scum claimed a power role because they would have to prove it somehow. So if all claims are town it gives. claims: town approx 14 JSP + 4 vanilla - 18 scum add godfather + vanilla - 11.5 so rough townie jsp = 29 and rough scum jsp = 28.5 Throw in Stalker role, SK is pro-scum, also aimed at single town power role, but becomes vanilla town afterwards, so still slightly pro-scum (unless BillMc is playing it ) Initial thoughts, even though it looks like 6 vanilla and 8 power roles, I would guess that all the claims made are genuine. Eavesdropper role is probably more confirmation role than for specifically investigative. However, I am having draingead flashbacks. No roleblockers and no doc (although the JOAT may disagree) So, best course of action, take out the vanilla pool. end rambling - part 1
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 4:18:57 GMT -5
More Ramblings of someone still working out the game....
So 22 players - and taking only fluiddruids 3rd party claim at face value, ie, BillMc and guiri are both scum.
With one 3rd party and no SK at all, I would guess at 15/16 town and 5/6 scum. Lets try with 6 scum
This gives us at the start: 15 x town, 6 x scum, 1 x 3rd party Rough guess at 8 vanilla and 7 power roles to balance and give the scum somewhere to hide.
Town: Special Ed -- Town Cop Dirx -- Town Optional Vig colby11 -- Vanilla Town Captain Pinkies -- Vanilla Town ace093 -- Vanilla Town
Scum: LightFoot -- Scum Strongman metallic squink - Scum Politician Meeko -- Scum Watcher
3rd/PFK: fluiddruid -- Third Party Mad Bomber/Politician
Claims: Honest Moley - eavesdropper gnarlycharlie - joat storyteller0910 - Limited day Vig Suburban Plankton - self confirming scotsman Merestil Haye - Lie Detector
Bill Mc - survivor/sk/vanilla guiri - survivor
septimus - vanilla Archangel - vanilla Ma'at - vanilla JustBeingGinger - vanilla Rysto - vanilla Cat in A Suit - vanilla
The following are known, all JSPs are ish. Town - Cop + Vig + 3 vanilla - 9 jsp Scum - Strongman + Politician + Watcher - 17 jsp
So, with 3 scum remaining
So if all claims are town it gives.
claims: town approx 14 JSP + 5 vanilla - 19 scum add godfather + 2 vanilla scum - 16
so rough townie jsp = 28 and rough scum jsp = 33
Ouch.
Trying just guiri and billmc as scum gives
claims: town approx 14 JSP + 6 vanilla - 20 scum add godfather + vanilla scum - 11.5
so rough townie jsp = 29 and rough scum jsp = 28.5
Looking at it again, it really does look as though it needs all the power claims to be town. I may be self-confirming, but switching any of the claims from town to scum really throws the balance out.
eg, say Moley is scum, guiri or BillMc is 3rd party
town claim: 12 Jsp + 6 vanilla = 18 scum claim: godfather + scum eavesdropper = 13
give 27 town and 29 scum - doable, but it means the scum team is also a full set of power roles, which I think unlikely.
How peculiar, 2 different options leading towards the same result.
Once again the best course of action is probably going to be take out the vanilla pool but include BillMc and guiri in it as well.
end rambling
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