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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 12:10:17 GMT -5
Ok, so I am not even going to pretend at this point. Do not waste a lynch on me. I would Day Vig me and go after 3rd party. I did really delete my PM, but I had posted it a while back on another board and that is where I got the timestamp from. ;D Here is a snippet and all you need to know. « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. There is no way you're painting the damn roses, so you've got a plan. A malicious, vicious plan, and by god you're going to see it through to the end. You are the Scum Godfather. It is hard playing SCUM. Yes MOLEY you were right... FOR ONCE!!!! Go ahead and VIG Me!!!! I like being TOWN much better!!!!!!!! and there you were picking on me for being unusually quiet.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 12:12:30 GMT -5
Not that this really needs to be said with my user name, but Ginger is a she!
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 12:13:56 GMT -5
Not that this really needs to be said with my user name, but Ginger is a she! yeah, the scummy godmother.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 12:22:47 GMT -5
Ok, so I am not even going to pretend at this point. Do not waste a lynch on me. I would Day Vig me and go after 3rd party. I did really delete my PM, but I had posted it a while back on another board and that is where I got the timestamp from. ;D Here is a snippet and all you need to know. « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. There is no way you're painting the damn roses, so you've got a plan. A malicious, vicious plan, and by god you're going to see it through to the end. You are the Scum Godfather. It is hard playing SCUM. Yes MOLEY you were right... FOR ONCE!!!! Go ahead and VIG Me!!!! I like being TOWN much better!!!!!!!! Oh, I am going to be insufferable after this. ;D Not going to take your advice, sorry... Unvote: Ma'atVote: JustBeingGinger
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 1, 2011 12:23:50 GMT -5
Not that this really needs to be said with my user name, but Ginger is a she! See, and I thought it just meant you were a redhead.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 12:33:33 GMT -5
Ok, so I am not even going to pretend at this point. Do not waste a lynch on me. I would Day Vig me and go after 3rd party. I did really delete my PM, but I had posted it a while back on another board and that is where I got the timestamp from. ;D Here is a snippet and all you need to know. « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. There is no way you're painting the damn roses, so you've got a plan. A malicious, vicious plan, and by god you're going to see it through to the end. You are the Scum Godfather. It is hard playing SCUM. Yes MOLEY you were right... FOR ONCE!!!! Go ahead and VIG Me!!!! I like being TOWN much better!!!!!!!! Oh, I am going to be insufferable after this. ;D Not going to take your advice, sorry... Unvote: Ma'atVote: JustBeingGingerreverse the colors why don't you.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 12:35:29 GMT -5
Ok, so I am not even going to pretend at this point. Do not waste a lynch on me. I would Day Vig me and go after 3rd party. I did really delete my PM, but I had posted it a while back on another board and that is where I got the timestamp from. ;D Here is a snippet and all you need to know. « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. There is no way you're painting the damn roses, so you've got a plan. A malicious, vicious plan, and by god you're going to see it through to the end. You are the Scum Godfather. It is hard playing SCUM. Yes MOLEY you were right... FOR ONCE!!!! Go ahead and VIG Me!!!! I like being TOWN much better!!!!!!!! and there you were picking on me for being unusually quiet. You were quiet and if I was TOWN, I still would of gone after you.
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Post by septimus on Jun 1, 2011 12:38:08 GMT -5
Can't say that I've ever seen that claim made before. I composed a fake PM to poke fun at Mahaloth's posted blurred PM in the Halloween game: tinyurl.com/scumgod(I tested it on Mod and Masons, got not smiley back ... so never posted it in the game thread.)
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 1, 2011 12:56:43 GMT -5
the lack of smiley's may have had something to do with the huge boobie in the background, lol. Perhaps they were so distracted, they never even looked at the blurred PM ;D
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 12:58:34 GMT -5
the lack of smiley's may have had something to do with the huge boobie in the background, lol. Perhaps they were so distracted, they never even looked at the blurred PM ;D Where as I never saw the Boobie!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 13:22:14 GMT -5
This is probably a dumb question, but if you deleted your role pm and copied and pasted from the vanilla template, why does your post say you received it on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm?? Yuuup. Unvote: BillMc [/color] Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color] By the way, I want to point out that I can Day kill only once. I will almost definitely do so toDay, by the way, leaving me vanilla come the morning. [ETA By SisC: Apparently Story Can't Code, clown will eat him][/quote] I'm seriously disinclined to not lynch Ginger, whatever she says. The main danger I can see here is that she's possibly trying to stop attention from being placed on other scum power players. Which suggests that Ma'at is scum (well, d'uh). My question, though, is whether there's a scum power that they're itching to use. Roleblocker maybe? It's a lot more effective than an outed Godfather. My second concern is that we have another BLAM situation here. (That was when Blastermaster deliberately got himself lynched knowing that he could take out one player who voted for him.) Any opinions? Story, if it were me, I'd take out Ma'at today, on the assumption that he's scum and that Ginger's confession could have been made with the intention of keeping somebody in the game who might have a more dangerous power, maybe.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 13:31:18 GMT -5
Story, if it were me, I'd take out Ma'at today, on the assumption that he's scum and that Ginger's confession could have been made with the intention of keeping somebody in the game who might have a more dangerous power, maybe. that's just wrong. i totally disagree. Ma'at is a she not a he.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 1, 2011 14:44:32 GMT -5
As I’ve said, I am vanilla town, so if Story is going to use his Day vig power on someone, I would be a “safe” choice for town, as town would not be losing a power role, but my personal preference would be for him to use it on someone else (obviously, since I know I’m town, I know it will be wasted on me, other than to make a certain dormouse, who shall remain namelss and therefore hopefully voiceless, eat his words). If Story and the rest feel I’m more scummy than anyone else, so be it I suppose. As for the lynch or day vig Ginger question…as Godfather (if she is), it’s been pointed out she may be immune to a Day Vig, but would she also be immune to a lynching? (I don’t know how these things work). If it’s unlikely she would be immune to a lynching, then I say we lynch her and use the Day Vig power on someone else. If she’s potentially immune to either/both, then I don’t see how it matters which way we try to kill her. And Gnarley, thanks so much for defending my sexuality
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 15:01:59 GMT -5
Story, if it were me, I'd take out Ma'at today, on the assumption that he's scum and that Ginger's confession could have been made with the intention of keeping somebody in the game who might have a more dangerous power, maybe. that's just wrong. i totally disagree. Ma'at is a she not a he. Oooooooooooops.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2011 17:46:21 GMT -5
A godfather, erm godmother claim - that's certainly unusual. I guess that makes me Story's other godparent So based on the claims, the folk that remain in my pool of suspicion are: Rysto - Vanilla CatInaSuit - Vanilla Septimus - Vanilla Guiri - Survivor Scum: Ginger + 1 Unknown Town: Moley, Story, Mhaye, Plankton, Charlie, Archangel, Ma'at, Billmc Charlie - as JOAT, you may or may not have powers left. Your discretion whether you want to reveal any more info. So our choice is really - have story vig ginger, or lynch ginger and agree on another target for story. If the latter, and the doc is in the suspicion pool, then they may want to consider claiming.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 1, 2011 18:32:18 GMT -5
I'd like to see Ginger vigged and CIAS lynched.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2011 18:40:54 GMT -5
Current vote count:
JustBeingGinger (6,6): BillMc [104], Ma'at [115], CatInaSuit [128], septimus [134], storyteller [135], Honest Moley [153] Archangel (2,0) Ma'at (1,2): Rysto [4], Honest Moley [7,153] gnarlycharlie (1,0) CatInaSuit (1,1): gnarlycharlie [16], Archangel [57] BillMc (0,1): storyteller [64,135]
With these votes, JustBeingGinger will be lynched.
ToDay will end in approximately two days and one and one-half hours. Assuming the mod's done her math right.[/color]
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 19:45:59 GMT -5
A godfather, erm godmother claim - that's certainly unusual. I guess that makes me Story's other godparent So based on the claims, the folk that remain in my pool of suspicion are: Rysto - Vanilla CatInaSuit - Vanilla Septimus - Vanilla Guiri - Survivor Scum: Ginger + 1 Unknown Town: Moley, Story, Mhaye, Plankton, Charlie, Archangel, Ma'at, Billmc Charlie - as JOAT, you may or may not have powers left. Your discretion whether you want to reveal any more info. So our choice is really - have story vig ginger, or lynch ginger and agree on another target for story. If the latter, and the doc is in the suspicion pool, then they may want to consider claiming. Mind telling me why you think Ma'at is town? Apart from his putting a vote on Archangel AFTER Ginger put one on Meeko during Day 3 (you could argue that if the scum had agreed to bus Meeko, he wouldn't vote for the next vote-leader) I don't see a single piece of evidence exonerating him. Ginger's early vote for Paranoia when Ace looked certain to be lynched (conveniently taken off when a couple of people followed her, and placed on me instead) looks like a fairly obvious example of distancing. I also don't like Ginger's convenient capitulation. Looks like the scum would rather she be lynched than Ma'at. Also, you seem to regard GnarlyCharlie as confirmed town. I don't - I think he could be third-party, although I think he's unlikely to be scum after killing Lightfoot. If we're dealing with a PFK though, Charlie is probably it. I could also be way off base here, but I see CIAS as likely if unconfirmed town.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 1, 2011 23:34:03 GMT -5
I can't speak for Bill, and there's little point in explaining my votes *again*. My reasoning seems valid enough to me.
Personally I think you're holding a grudge against me for not voting Lightfoot when Meeko was about to get voted off. You're only argument to me was, "I think Lightfoot is the best option we have right now. Of all the townies who haven't helped very much in scumhunting and aren't giving off town tells, (s)he seems to be the most prominent after BillMC". Obviously I'm not going to vote for someone that doesn't seem too scummy to me based on that.
Since you basically refused to tell me why you think I'm "a lock", I'm left to try to draw my own conclusions. You're refusing to see any of my townieness and interpreting things to see me as scum. Your choice - live and learn ;D
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 2, 2011 3:49:57 GMT -5
Ok, so JBG claims Godfather. Fair enough. I see several people have been drinking really heavily from the WIFOM. If it didn't say in the rules that it specifically didn't exist, I would swear someone would raise the possibility that killing the godfather meant the killer or someone on the lynch was recruited to the scum. *...adds to next game...* JBG may or may not the Godfather, but she is a claimed scum and as such she needs to go and for one very good reason. If she is the Godfather, it effectively means MHaye is a full blown cop and whatever he returns tomorrow can be used to further reduce the unknown pool. My View is that JBG should definitely be Day Killed to give us time to work out our next steps and because it confirms precisely what role JBG has. Merestil Haye: Do you have enough statements on everyone in the game, confirmed or otherwise do be able to test someone tonight? If JBG is the godfather and storyteller does carry out a Day kill, I believe it will look like this and putting my paranoid hat on: Confirmed: BillMc, MHaye, Suburban Plankton, storyteller Likely town: gnarlycharlie, Honest Moley Unconfirmed: Rysto, Ma'at, CIAS, Septimus, Archangel, guiri I seriously doubt there is a scum roleblocker in the game, because MHaye did get a result last Night, otherwise what was the scum roleblocker doing, if one actually existed. It is very likely that gnarlycharlie is non-scum due to the NK of Lightfoot, although he could be 3rd party. I would also consider it unlikely that Moley is scum because they had a very similar role with Meeko as a Watcher. Doubling up on this kind of role would not really be balanced. @ma'at: There is no point sitting there saying your town, but have no problems dying for the cause because it doesn't help. If you don't want to be lynched, make a strong case for someone I'm going to look back over the vanilla claimants.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 2, 2011 5:24:31 GMT -5
Ok, so JBG claims Godfather. Fair enough. I see several people have been drinking really heavily from the WIFOM. If it didn't say in the rules that it specifically didn't exist, I would swear someone would raise the possibility that killing the godfather meant the killer or someone on the lynch was recruited to the scum. *...adds to next game...* JBG may or may not the Godfather, but she is a claimed scum and as such she needs to go and for one very good reason. If she is the Godfather, it effectively means MHaye is a full blown cop and whatever he returns tomorrow can be used to further reduce the unknown pool. My View is that JBG should definitely be Day Killed to give us time to work out our next steps and because it confirms precisely what role JBG has. Merestil Haye: Do you have enough statements on everyone in the game, confirmed or otherwise do be able to test someone tonight? Tuesday and Wednesday tend to be low-participation days for me, so I'm a little behind. I shall reread tonight, and maybe ask one or two people for statements of Towniness. Things were so bad yesterday I don't remember seeing JBGinger's confession. I may have folded before starting the page it's on. I did have one oddity related to the vanilla PM claims; that JBG, and only JBG, had the entire sentence "You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote" appear in blue. Everyone else had only the first three words in blue, but the rest in regular text. I think, on reflection, it would be best to have Storyteller use his power on JBG. That will force us to discuss who to lynch Today, and add to the information pool. Oh yes, and some people are overstating what I discovered about Guiri. All my power learned was that Guiri is not Town. I refuse to go any further than that. He could be Mafia-aligned or self-aligned. Back this evening.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 2, 2011 6:58:27 GMT -5
Vote CountsAdding in confirmed Suburban Plankton and scum JBGDay 1ace093 (8,9): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller [115], metallicsquink [127], archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173], Meeko [250], septimus [287,287]Honest Moley (3,3): Rysto [243], BillMc [314], JustBeingGinger [316] Captain Pinkies (2,2): ace093 [227], septimus [287,287], Suburban Plankton [291] CIAS (1,1): colby11 [102,168], septimus [206,234], Honest Moley [324] Paranoia/Ma'at (1,3): JustBeingGinger [237,316], colby11 [257], septimus [287,287]fluiddruid (1,2): justbeingginger [153,160], MHaye [304], Honest Moley [313,324]archangel (1,2): Honest Moley [179,226], CIAS [199] septimus (1,1): guiri [233] guiri (1,1): septimus [234,287,287] gnarlycharlie (0,1): suburban plankton [79,93]BillMc (0,1): Suburban Plankton [93,291]colby11 (0,1): CIAS [110,199]Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127]storyteller (0,1): archangel [129,144]Meeko (1,1): Dirx [302] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Day 2 - please note the EOD vote count from Sis C is incorrect. Captain Pinkies (9,9)*: Special Ed [4], Suburban Plankton [47,198,209], septimus [88,381], Meeko [156], LightFoot [161, 264], JustBeingGinger [228,382], Storyteller [269], guiri [304], CatInaSuit [317], colby11 [341] Fluiddruid (8,7): Archangel [30,203,246], gnarlycharlie [227], BillMc [343], LightFoot[363], Merestil Haye [374], Honest Moley [379], JustBeingGinger[382] Archangel (2,3): CatInaSuit [26,317], metallicsquink [37], Captain Pinkies [90,376] Paranoia/Ma'at (0,1): colby11 [176,313]JustBeingGinger (0,1): Honest Moley [263, 379]colby11 (2,1): Ma'at [389] guiri (1,1): Rysto [321] Meeko (1,1): Dirx [371] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Archangel [203,246]CatInaSuit (1,1): septimus [60,88,381] Special Ed (0,1): Suburban Plankton [198,209] Pinkies: +2 votes for moving vote during Day Fluiddruid: Started Day with 1 vote. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Day 3Meeko (7,7) BillMc [72] Guiri [108] Archangel [116] JustBeingGinger [215], gnarlycharlie [233], septimus [237], Dirx [238] septimus (3,3) Suburban Plankton [239], Merestil Haye [252], storyteller [255] Archangel (2,3) Metallic Squink [121], Ma'at [232], Suburban Plankton [235,239]Lightfoot (2,2) CatInASuit [165] Honest Moley [211] Guiri (1,1) Rysto [171] Rysto (1,1) Lightfoot [183] BillMc (0,2) Honest Moley [81 196] Ma’at [103 193]Metallic Squink (0,1) Septimus [112,237]GnarlyCharlie (0,1) JustBeingGinger [173 215]JustBeingGinger (0,1) CatInASuit [64 165]CatInASuit (0,1) Septimus [47 112]colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13] Archangel: +2 votes for not voting in first post ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Day 4Day 4 Vote Count prior to MHaye's claim #D4.251Archangel (4,1): metallic squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] metallic squink (3,3)*: BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] Gnarlycharlie (1,1): JustBeingGinger [18] Ma'at (1,1): Rysto [35] CatInaSuit (1,1): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarleycharlie[246] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] BillMc (1,1): Lightfoot [205] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183]Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180]Day 4 Final Metallic Squink (8,8): BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151], Merestil Haye [251], Rysto [257], Ma'at [272], JustBeingGinger [292], storyteller0910 [313,314,319] Archangel (4,2): Metallic Squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] CatInaSuit (2,2): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarlycharlie [246], LightFoot [312] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] Gnarlycharlie (0,1): JustBeingGinger [18,292]Ma’at (0,1): Rysto [35, 257]Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183]Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180]BillMc (0,1): Lightfoot [205,300]Archangel: +2 votes for not voting in first post I think these are accurate.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 2, 2011 7:48:16 GMT -5
Just one thought keeps occuring to me. If JBG is scum as claimed, that middle vote on Meeko changes a few things. At that point, at least one of the scum is expecting Meeko to be lost. It would make no sense for another scum to vote somewhere else at that point with all that town cred on offer, and that is one of the major points of Rysto's case against Ma'at. OTOH, it also means that septimus' later switch could well be a town cred grab, despite what others may think. I also spotted two scum on Day 3 and then let them get away If I had to rate the unconfirmed. Archangel - reluctantly townie - despite a mass of personal scum tells, but interaction with others show otherwise. guiri - non-scum mainly for pursuing lightfoot while trying to stay below the radar Rysto - the case against Ma'at is good, but flawed by JBGs reveal. Ma'at - partly for the reasons above, although some of rysto's case does hold septimus - those vote switches are looking more and more scummy. If I had to make a choice for a new lynch victim, septimus is where I would start.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 2, 2011 8:50:56 GMT -5
Confirmed: BillMc, MHaye, Suburban Plankton, storyteller Likely town: gnarlycharlie, Honest Moley Unconfirmed: Rysto, Ma'at, CIAS, Septimus, Archangel, guiri Ah, this is killing me. Other than Plankton, no one is (or will be) confirmed Town in this game. If JustBeingGinger dies toDay and if she is the Godfather as claimed - and maybe this is me in my paranoid hat, but I'm not sure why everyone is assuming she's being honest here - then that (in my view) confirms Bill as non-Scum. At that point, the only way he could be non-Town is if he is an investigation-proof third-party, which is not impossible but seems like a stretch. My successful execution of a Day kill will not confirm me definitively (to anyone but myself, ;D). MHaye is unconfirmed. Frankly, of MHaye, Moley, and gnarlycharly I think there's a fair chance that one is non-Town. Essentially, once Ginger is dead, we need to start over, from scratch, and continue to play Mafia. --- I am strongly inclined to lynch Ginger and Vig someone else. I think it's very important that Ginger actually die toDay. A Godfather with Night- or Day-kill immunity is not out of the question, but I think Scum with lynch resistance is probably a bit rarer. A dead Ginger will confirm that she was, indeed, the Godfather, which clears Bill of any remaining suspicion of being Scum. Here's what I recommend. Everyone vote for Ginger. Everyone also vote, using purple text, for the non-Ginger player to be Daykilled. While I will not commit absolutely to following the results of this vote (especially if the vote is for me!), I will most likely kill the purple vote leader at the end of the Day. This allows accountability for votes in the same way that the lynch usually would.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 2, 2011 9:37:14 GMT -5
Confirmed: BillMc, MHaye, Suburban Plankton, storyteller Likely town: gnarlycharlie, Honest Moley Unconfirmed: Rysto, Ma'at, CIAS, Septimus, Archangel, guiri Ah, this is killing me. Other than Plankton, no one is (or will be) confirmed Town in this game. If JustBeingGinger dies toDay and if she is the Godfather as claimed - and maybe this is me in my paranoid hat, but I'm not sure why everyone is assuming she's being honest here - then that (in my view) confirms Bill as non-Scum. At that point, the only way he could be non-Town is if he is an investigation-proof third-party, which is not impossible but seems like a stretch. My successful execution of a Day kill will not confirm me definitively (to anyone but myself, ;D). MHaye is unconfirmed. Frankly, of MHaye, Moley, and gnarlycharly I think there's a fair chance that one is non-Town. Essentially, once Ginger is dead, we need to start over, from scratch, and continue to play Mafia. --- I am strongly inclined to lynch Ginger and Vig someone else. I think it's very important that Ginger actually die toDay. A Godfather with Night- or Day-kill immunity is not out of the question, but I think Scum with lynch resistance is probably a bit rarer. A dead Ginger will confirm that she was, indeed, the Godfather, which clears Bill of any remaining suspicion of being Scum. Here's what I recommend. Everyone vote for Ginger. Everyone also vote, using purple text, for the non-Ginger player to be Daykilled. While I will not commit absolutely to following the results of this vote (especially if the vote is for me!), I will most likely kill the purple vote leader at the end of the Day. This allows accountability for votes in the same way that the lynch usually would. Wow, all this talk about "Ginger Dies toDay" I am going to have to dodge buses when walking and make sure I arrive home safe... Kind of creepy!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 2, 2011 9:45:20 GMT -5
I am strongly inclined to lynch Ginger and Vig someone else. I think it's very important that Ginger actually die toDay. A Godfather with Night- or Day-kill immunity is not out of the question, but I think Scum with lynch resistance is probably a bit rarer. A dead Ginger will confirm that she was, indeed, the Godfather, which clears Bill of any remaining suspicion of being Scum. Here's what I recommend. Everyone vote for Ginger. Everyone also vote, using purple text, for the non-Ginger player to be Daykilled. While I will not commit absolutely to following the results of this vote (especially if the vote is for me!), I will most likely kill the purple vote leader at the end of the Day. This allows accountability for votes in the same way that the lynch usually would. I'm not entirely comfortable with this plan (not that you asked). Bill has a partial Night Kill immunity, in that he has to be 'killed' twice in order for him to die. The Scum Strongman seems to have been put in the game specifically to counter that, giving the Scum the opportunity to target him twice in a single Night. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to think the Day Vig was put in the game for the same reason; to give Town an opportunity to strike at the same target twice in a Day. Thus, I think there might be someone on the Scum team with a limited Lynch immunity, and that storyteller's Day Kill could be needed in order to counter that. And the Godfather would seem to be the most likely person to have such an ability. Of course, as I'm typing this, I'm already doubting myself. Such a power could possibly result in an unkillable Scum. We do have the single Day Kill/Lynch combo, and we did have at least three other non-Scum roles with Night Kill abilities, so there would theoretically have been plenty of opportunities to identify and kill such a role, but as it stands, if such a role is in play we're down to our last possible chance to win the game. I'm not sure that's 'fair'. At this point, I'm thinking that the best course of action might be for us to lynch Ginger, and for story to hold off on his kill for today until we see the result of our Lynch. Then the Doc can protect story Tonight, and we can pick up again Tomorrow. Of course, this plan only works if there is, in fact, a Doc in the game. I would imagine there is, but we have no evidence of such, and I don't know that I'm entirely comfortable leaving story hanging out to dry. Then again, we have no evidence that story is telling the truth in the first place. He could be stringing us along with no intention of using his ability, because he hasn't got it. Of course, that would just get him lynched Tomorrow, so I don't think it's a terribly likely scenario, but it's not an impossibility.
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Post by septimus on Jun 2, 2011 9:48:57 GMT -5
I had some suspicions of Rysto but the same mechanical PM argument used against Ginger would seem to prove that she and Rysto don't communicate on the secret board: Rysto posted a correct Vanilla Town PM just a few minutes after Ginger posted her fake. I confess that I'm still slightly worried about Moley. I'm not getting any scum vibes from him but, given that Scum seem not to use PM's to communicate in this game, his role would make more sense as a Scum role than Town role. But his reveals don't make sense as Scum, so I'm left just confused here. And so we're left with just two suspects; the same two parties have been pursuing all game: Ma'at and CIAS. (Perhaps I belong in this list too, but I am very sure that I'm Town.) Applying the dictum "Vote early and vote often" I'll write: Recommend Kill: Ma'atRecommend Kill: CatInaSuitThese are more by process of elimination than conviction that either is really Scum. But between this Day-Kill and a MHaye Lie Detection result toMorrow, Town should win real soon! When does the next game start? Can I play?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 2, 2011 9:52:37 GMT -5
One more thing...I don't think story should wait until "the End of the Day" to make his kill. We need to make sure that there is sufficient time left in the Day that we can react to the results should they be 'unexpected'. Also, he needs to state his intended target early enough that we can discuss the inevitable "wait. I'm the Doctor" claim that's sure to follow (unless we want to get that over with now).
The more I think about it, the less I'm in favor of the Town 'voting' on story's target. Especially when he tells us up front that he "will not commit absolutely to following the results of this vote". story is the one with the Power, so he needs to take full responsibility for using it. He needs to tell us who he plans to kill, and let us discuss it after he has designated a target, or he just needs to take it upon himself and do the deed. Doing it the other way absolves him of any responsibility for what is, in the end, a unilateral decision.
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Post by septimus on Jun 2, 2011 10:02:20 GMT -5
At this point, I'm thinking that the best course of action might be for us to lynch Ginger, and for story to hold off on his kill for today until we see the result of our Lynch. Then the Doc can protect story Tonight, and we can pick up again Tomorrow. Of course, this plan only works if there is, in fact, a Doc in the game. I would imagine there is, but we have no evidence of such, and I don't know that I'm entirely comfortable leaving story hanging out to dry. I've been wondering about the Doc myself, but I think there's a meta-argument that a Doc or Blocker (or someone like a Doc/Blocker) probably exists. Isn't Doc one of the most standard roles? We've had three flavors of Detective show up, and at least three flavors of Killer. But, other than colby, I don't think any role that's a variation of Blocker or Doctor has shown up yet. But if there is a Doctor, he/she might want to protect MHaye who has a good chance of winning the game with his Detection toNight. So I'd argue opposite to Suburban -- having revealed his Power, Story should "use it (now) or (risk to) lose it."
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 2, 2011 10:05:17 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton: You're asking a doc, should one exist to choose between storyteller and MHaye, given their claims. I think thats a bad move. Of course, the reverse of this is that storyteller is lying out his proverbial.
I don't like an End of Day kill for storyteller just too many problems with it.
Sod it. Storyteller, it's your power, and using us to absolve yourself from the responsibility is not ok. Make a choice and announce it.
You have all the arguments there, you want clarification, then ask.
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