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Post by guiri on Jun 3, 2011 2:47:58 GMT -5
I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 3, 2011 2:58:53 GMT -5
I think you need to change either the color or the action here... Fair enough, that should be Vig: septimusMy vote will quite happily remain on JBG, I don't think there is a bomb, or anything else exciting going to happen. Let's dissect MY reason for exonerating Ma'at (while at the same time subtly hinting to CIAS that he should smash himself in the face with a watermelon for his blatant plagiarism). I do not think that word means what you think it means. Congrats on saying Ma'at is town while then going on to say later she is the most scummy. Here's your watermelon back.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 3, 2011 4:56:34 GMT -5
I think you need to change either the color or the action here... Fair enough, that should be Vig: septimusMy vote will quite happily remain on JBG, I don't think there is a bomb, or anything else exciting going to happen. Let's dissect MY reason for exonerating Ma'at (while at the same time subtly hinting to CIAS that he should smash himself in the face with a watermelon for his blatant plagiarism). I do not think that word means what you think it means. Congrats on saying Ma'at is town while then going on to say later she is the most scummy. Here's your watermelon back. Hmmmmmmmmm I think you missed my point somewhat. I said I thought others might say that Ma'at wasn't scum - thereby exonerating her - because of that reason. I also said I didn't think it held water - meaning that I didn't exonerate her because of it. But thanks for the watermelon, I'll need it if Ginger should flip town.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 3, 2011 5:23:03 GMT -5
*stuffs Dormouse back in its teapot with a watermelon, then bangs on the side with a spoon*
Personally, I think you are overthinking the level of scum planning that appears to have gone on or possibly not in this game.
Vig Votes:
septimus: Ma'at or CIAS Rysto: Ma'at CIAS: septimus Archangel: CIAS Ma'at: CIAS MHaye: CIAS or Ma'at
Totals CIAS(4), Ma'at(3), septimus(1)
Anyone else want to leave an opinion.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 3, 2011 7:10:32 GMT -5
Anyone else want to leave an opinion. ... hey man, that's harsh. Leave the poor dormie alone. Mellow out, have some of this... The person who's opinion matters most has promised to say who they will employ their claimed power on within the next four hours. They could decide to off Ma'at, or go for someone else altogether.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 3, 2011 7:34:11 GMT -5
But he's enjoying it, can't you hear the squeaks, that means he likes it ;D But since you're offering tea, I accept. I think the details of using this DayKill as a lynch marker and getting people to put down some opinions for future note, hasn't quite worked as well as it might. But hey, let's see how good storyteller is - no pressure
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 8:23:22 GMT -5
OK. Let's see. At the moment I have, in my mind, four potential targets, listed here in my personal order of preference (from want-to-kill-most to want-to-kill-least).
1. Ma'at: A fair number of votes for. Her death would help with vote analyses, I think. Also, she's done a few things throughout the game that have pinged me a bit (though, admittedly, nothing especially egregious).
2. guiri: No one has voted for. I'm not entirely sure why. Apologies to guiri, but here's a player who is admittedly non-Town, and there is zero proof that he is what he says he is. He could be a PFK-type third-party, or even Scum. I guess my general question to the assembly is - have we, collectively, decided to leave Guiri alive until endgame? If not, why are we letting him hang around now?
3. BillMc - I know my opinion is unpopular here, and Bill's going to accuse me of out-of-game whatever, but I'm not dropping this. Bill's claims have shifted around like mad. He's Third Party turned Vanilla Town. No, he's Third-Party turned Night-Kill Immune. No, he was just funning, he WAS Night-Kill Immune, now he's just Vanilla. Oh, but he has already won the game on Night Two, no matter what else happens, so he's just playing out the string.
But he's also "effectively Vanilla Town." Gah, this makes no sense. He's already won, but he also wins and loses with the Town?
Something is fishy here.
4. CatinaSuit - I'm not totally wrapping my head around this case.
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MHaye and septimus, I would really like, for the record, if you would both take a stand on the Cat vs. Ma'at question.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 3, 2011 8:36:48 GMT -5
storyteller, there is one piece of info which is very useful. MHaye's result on BillMC was he was truth on the fact he was now town. If MHaye is town, then BillMc is now town.
Unless he is a lie-detector evading PFK win stealing mo-fo in which case this game is gastardly.
and of course, that also depends on MHaye being town.
guiri: I think the point is to concentrate on removing scum threat at least toDay. His actions have been fairly anti-scum/pro-town albeit while trying to stay as unnoticed as possible.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 3, 2011 9:39:35 GMT -5
storyteller, there is one piece of info which is very useful. MHaye's result on BillMC was he was truth on the fact he was now town. If MHaye is town, then BillMc is now town. Unless he is a lie-detector evading PFK win stealing mo-fo in which case this game is gastardly. Bill might also be the Godfather and would read as Town. that was one theory. well, we can also do this: 1. lynch someone, in this case, Ginger2. vig someone, whoever Story chooses 3. neuter another toNight (i'll see if i have something in my bag of tricks ) 4. lynch someone, whoever is most suspicious, if it's not over yet
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 3, 2011 10:02:36 GMT -5
Current vote count:
JustBeingGinger (9,9): BillMc [104], Ma'at [115], CatInaSuit [128], septimus [134], storyteller [135], Honest Moley [153], Rysto [181], Archangel [183], guiri [185] Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,0) CatInaSuit (0,1): gnarlycharlie [16], Archangel [57,183] Ma'at (0,2): Rysto [4,181], Honest Moley [7,153] BillMc (0,1): storyteller [64,135]
With these votes, JustBeingGinger will be lynched.
ToDay will end in approximately ten hours. Assuming the mod's done her math right.[/color]
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 3, 2011 10:44:25 GMT -5
Storyteller.
On CIAS vs Ma'at. I'm suspicious of Ma'at primarily because I found the case Rysto built up plausible. My suspicion of CIAS is more a gut feeling. Consequently if you have to pick one, pick Ma'at.
On Bill. I share your unease about the way Bill's claimed PMs talk about him having "won the game." That makes him sound like a third party - and even then, I wouldn't write it like that. Balanced against this is that Bill's declaration "I am now Town" in Day 3 was true; if Bill is not Town, your theory has to explain how he duped my investigation without being the Mafia Godfather, if JBG's claim is true.
If JBG is a Mafiate but false-claiming Godfather to hide the real Godfather, then Bill is a good candidate for the Godfather. We're lynching JBG Today, it seems.
On Guiri Let's suppose we eliminate the Mafia Today. If the game ends, Guiri was not a threat to Town. If the game continues, Guiri should be a prime lynch candidate.
On who to kill. Your power, your responsibility. If it were mine, I'd be thinking of Ma'at or Bill right now. My reasoning to kill Bill ( ;D) would be to resolve the doubts and clear the field for the rest of us to Mafia-hunt.
Whoever you kill though, and even if you follow my advice, it's you who will be held accountable.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 3, 2011 10:54:32 GMT -5
Oh well, that's all from me for toDay.
Good luck storyteller.
See you all on the flipside, or possibly not, as the case may be.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 3, 2011 11:27:40 GMT -5
@storyIf you decide to kill me, I won’t hold it against you ;D (I would hate to be in your shoes, because I would hate knowing I vigged the wrong person). I think town is in a pretty good position to win regardless of who you select. I think you should just pick the player that will help town learn the most, whether that’s Ma'at, CIAS, Septimus, Bill or Moley (ok, I don’t really think we would learn a lot from vigging Moley, but I certainly wouldn’t mind hearing off with his head from you )
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 11:36:35 GMT -5
Have a major project underway - will be finished in around a half hour and will wrap up my end of this thing then.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 11:37:16 GMT -5
Major real-life, work project, I should say.
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Post by septimus on Jun 3, 2011 12:21:47 GMT -5
My thoughts. (But I doubt they're worth $0.02 even with inflation.) I have trouble picking between CIAS and Ma'at, especially since any gut anti-CIAS feeling might be OMGUS: CIAS has been calling me scum-like the whole game. I don't know if the voting record helps: Neither of these two has placed any non-trivial votes on Scum, and confirmed Scum hardly voted for them. (An exception is that Lightfoot made a very unlikely-to-matter vote on CIAS in Day 4 ... but that was the only time Lightfoot ever voted for Scum or scum suspect, so if it's a tell it's a very weak one.) It sure seems like victory will be easy unless there's some sort of strange Bomb something. I agree Bill Mc's role PM seems weird, but so does Moley's. That he shows as Town to Lie Detector and did so much to help us identify Scum makes it extremely unlikely he is Scum. ... And since Guiri probably is just a Survivor it would almost seem spiteful to Kill him before we get desperate. I'm off to bed. If you get a good result, story, please give full credit to the Townies who advised you. If not, I hope you take all the blame.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 12:23:34 GMT -5
sep:
Is there a non-Ma'at-or-Cat candidate that you would have Daykilled, if it were up to you?
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Post by guiri on Jun 3, 2011 12:31:40 GMT -5
ToDay's lynch and the vig choice are pretty much make or break for my chances to meet my wincon. If Ginger's the last scum or if there are 2 left, we have a chance of a shared win toDay. If Story doesn't vig scum and the game isn't over, I expect to be on the line toMorrow as I doubt scum will kill me over the alternatives.
With that said, I think Ma'at is the best choice for vigging. I agreed with most of Rysto's case yesterDay and I think Ginger's fake claim is an indication that either she's on her own or at least there are no experienced players remaining on the scum team.
Vig Ma'at
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Post by septimus on Jun 3, 2011 12:47:27 GMT -5
sep: Is there a non-Ma'at-or-Cat candidate that you would have Daykilled, if it were up to you? No, I've been fully forthcoming on my advice. I really am off to bed very soon, but will look for your response within 4 minutes, since it sounds like you want to point the FOS at someone else.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 12:52:25 GMT -5
Not at all. I am interested in your opinion, specifically, because if, in the long run, CatinaSuit turns out to be Scum but Ma'at does not, or vice versa, people's positions in this discussion will have value.
(I think, by the way, that there are two Scum left after Ginger dies, and that people expecting the game to end here are way too optimistic).
OK.
First off, I hate this situation. Not because, as the various people posting variants of this sentiment have gone to great pains to emphasize, I am “accountable” for the final decision – seriously, if I was afraid of being accountable for the kill I’d have either not said anything about it or used it on JustBeingGinger. But rather because I think I’ve lost any ability to identify Scum in these games. I really don’t know why, but there it is. I’m much better at picking out Townies, by and large… but that doesn’t do me a fat lot of good here.
So forgive me if I, for a bit, do a little review.
13 players left.
1. Bill Mc 2. Honest Moley 3. gnarlycharlie 4. septimus 5. Archangel 6. storyteller0910 7. Ma’at 8. Suburban Plankton 9. JustBeingGinger 10. guiri 11. Rysto 12. Merestil Haye 13. Cat in A Suit
Coloring myself blue because I know my own alignment. Coloring Ginger red because she is almost certainly Scum; if she flips as non-Scum third-party my mind will be officially blown. So, neither I nor Plankton nor Ginger will be my target toDay.
That leaves ten players. Of these, five have made unadorned vanilla claims: CatinaSuit, Ma’at, Archangel, septimus, and Rysto.
Four have outstanding power role claims: Moley, gnarlycharly, and MHaye.
One has claimed, well, everything: BillMc
One has claimed third party: guiri
My strong inclination is to kill BillMc toDay. His claims just don’t make any sense to me – particularly the one where he’s already won the game but he’s hanging around, participating and helping Town, just because he… I don’t know. Mitigating against that is MHaye’s read on him… but I: (1) don’t know for certain that MHaye is above-board; (2) see no reason why a third-party could not be immune to investigation; (3) haven’t seen Ginger’s role flip yet.
This is exacerbated by the fact that I don’t view the case against CIAS as compelling at all and think that Ma’at’s reaction to the pressure on her toDay seems consistent with a Townie.
More presently.
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Post by septimus on Jun 3, 2011 12:59:43 GMT -5
I really am off to bed now, so story: please follow your intuition. I am the worst scum-hunter in the galaxy. I've no real case against Ma'at or Cat except elimination. And ... If you fail to follow your heart, and your heart was right, you'll regret it forever.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 13:43:39 GMT -5
Dying inside here, just so you all know.
I really REALLY want to kill Bill. Of the players on the table, he is the one of whom I have legit suspicion, and also the one I feel least confident that the Town will eventually lynch (especially if I am eventually killed). BUT - killing Cat or Ma'at provides the Town as a whole with more useful information.
I'm taking a walk; I'll decide when I get back, no later than 3EST.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 13:59:21 GMT -5
Fuck it. Faint heart, fair maiden, etc.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 14:00:06 GMT -5
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 14:02:54 GMT -5
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Now I can't take it back.
Well, if I'm right, I'll sleep well tonight. If I'm wrong, Bill, I'm really sorry and it was genuinely nothing personal, but your claims stink.
AAA.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 3, 2011 14:21:07 GMT -5
[completely oog]
Is it wrong of me to be amused that, while Storyteller cogitated, I watched a film on the BBC's iPlayer.
Called "Kill Bill."
(vol 1 : the one with all the fights.)
[/completely oog]
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 3, 2011 14:42:43 GMT -5
Not at all. I am interested in your opinion, specifically, because if, in the long run, CatinaSuit turns out to be Scum but Ma'at does not, or vice versa, people's positions in this discussion will have value. (I think, by the way, that there are two Scum left after Ginger dies, and that people expecting the game to end here are way too optimistic). OK. First off, I hate this situation. Not because, as the various people posting variants of this sentiment have gone to great pains to emphasize, I am “accountable” for the final decision – seriously, if I was afraid of being accountable for the kill I’d have either not said anything about it or used it on JustBeingGinger. But rather because I think I’ve lost any ability to identify Scum in these games. I really don’t know why, but there it is. I’m much better at picking out Townies, by and large… but that doesn’t do me a fat lot of good here. So forgive me if I, for a bit, do a little review. 13 players left. 1. Bill Mc 2. Honest Moley 3. gnarlycharlie 4. septimus 5. Archangel 6. storyteller09107. Ma’at 8. Suburban Plankton9. JustBeingGinger10. guiri 11. Rysto 12. Merestil Haye 13. Cat in A Suit Coloring myself blue because I know my own alignment. Coloring Ginger red because she is almost certainly Scum; if she flips as non-Scum third-party my mind will be officially blown. So, neither I nor Plankton nor Ginger will be my target toDay. That leaves ten players. Of these, five have made unadorned vanilla claims: CatinaSuit, Ma’at, Archangel, septimus, and Rysto. Four have outstanding power role claims: Moley, gnarlycharly, and MHaye. One has claimed, well, everything: BillMc One has claimed third party: guiri My strong inclination is to kill BillMc toDay. His claims just don’t make any sense to me – particularly the one where he’s already won the game but he’s hanging around, participating and helping Town, just because he… I don’t know. Mitigating against that is MHaye’s read on him… but I: (1) don’t know for certain that MHaye is above-board; (2) see no reason why a third-party could not be immune to investigation; (3) haven’t seen Ginger’s role flip yet. This is exacerbated by the fact that I don’t view the case against CIAS as compelling at all and think that Ma’at’s reaction to the pressure on her toDay seems consistent with a Townie. More presently. Erm... you realise that for Bill to be scum or even 3rd party, MHaye must have been lying, right? No question of roleblocks, MHaye made it clear that Bill's statement "I am now town" was unambiguously confirmed as "Truth". And for MHaye to have been lying, assuming there aren't three scum left including myself, he would have had to 1) anticipate that I was going to investigate him last night (after I'd not said a word to suggest I was suspicious of him, and actually put him on my "almost clear" list), and 2) faked his PM to Sis C so that I'd get an innocent-sounding sentence that he could then quote back as part of a larger PM the next day. Of course, he'd have to repeat that sentence enough that it would be practically certain that I'd get the fake one and not his actual scummy role action. How exactly did that fake PM go, I wonder? *** Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later. Guiri it is; if he is Mafia, he's good at it, and if he's not he's a good Mafia hunter that the Mafia will have to deal with, sooner or later.
Actually, on second thoughts, ignore that: I choose to roleblock Rysto, and Bill will kill Suburban Plankton.*** Yes, Storyteller, if you are town, you are quite literally betting your one and only claimed kill on THAT PM, or one very much like it, having been sent to Sis C by MHaye. On the plus side, whatever Ma'at's alignment really is, you have just made her very, very happy. ;D Now I'm going to go back to my teapot, cower in there for a while, and ruminate on how ironic it is that Sis C has apparently given EVERY BLOODY IDIOT a killing power except THIS BLOODY IDIOT RIGHT HERE!Agh, the freakin' dormouse... All I want is to decapitate somebody... is that too much to ask? **grumbles...**
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Post by BillMc on Jun 3, 2011 15:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 3, 2011 16:07:15 GMT -5
Is that really where you want to take things, Bill? What an asshole you ever are.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 3, 2011 16:07:54 GMT -5
particularly the one where he’s already won the game but he’s hanging around, participating and helping Town, just because he… I don’t know. ...because he likes to play, despite being killed off at every opportunity.
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