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Post by Archangel on Jun 6, 2011 18:41:59 GMT -5
Vote Storyteller
Whatever Bill's alignment he did more than anyone to help town in this game. You used your kill on the one person who was pointing out scum. I don't care what justification for it you claimed. That is scummy.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 6, 2011 19:10:45 GMT -5
Day 1 Final Vote Count ace093 (8,9): Special Ed [80], gnarlycharlie [97], storyteller [115], metallicsquink [127], archangel [144], fluiddruid [145], LightFoot [173], Meeko [250], septimus [287,287] Honest Moley (3,3): Rysto [243], BillMc [314], JustBeingGinger [316] Captain Pinkies (2,2): ace093 [227], septimus [287,287], Suburban Plankton [291] CIAS (1,1): colby11 [102,168], septimus [206,234], Honest Moley [324] Paranoia (1,3): JustBeingGinger [237,316], colby11 [257], septimus [287,287] fluiddruid (1,2): justbeingginger [153,160], MHaye [304], Honest Moley [313,324] archangel (1,2): Honest Moley [179,226], CIAS [199] septimus (1,1): guiri [233] guiri (1,1): septimus [234,287,287] gnarlycharlie (0,1): suburban plankton [79,93] BillMc (0,1): Suburban Plankton [93,291] colby11 (0,1): CIAS [110,199] Suburban Plankton (0,1): metallicsquink [111,127] storyteller (0,1): archangel [129,144] Meeko (1,1): Dirx [302]
Day 2 Final Vote Count Captain Pinkies (9,9)*: Special Ed [4], Suburban Plankton [47,198,209], septimus [88,381], Meeko [156], LightFoot [161, 264], JustBeingGinger [228], Storyteller [269], guiri [304], CatInaSuit [317], colby11 [341] fluiddruid (7,6): Archangel [30,203,246], gnarlycharlie [227], BillMc [343], LightFoot[363], Merestil Haye [374], Honest Moley [379] Archangel (2,3): CatInaSuit [26,317], metallicsquink [37], Captain Pinkies [90] Paranoia (0,1): colby11 [176,313] JustBeingGinger (0,1): Honest Moley [263, 379] colby11 (2,1): Ma'at [389] guiri (1,1): Rysto [321] Meeko (1,1): Dirx [371] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Archangel [203,246] CatInaSuit (1,1): septimus [60,88,381] Special Ed (0,1): Suburban Plankton [198,209]
Day 3 Final Vote Count Meeko (7,7) BillMc [72] Guiri [108] Archangel [116] JustBeingGinger [215], gnarlycharlie [233], septimus [237], Dirx [238] septimus (3,3) Suburban Plankton [239], Merestil Haye [252], storyteller [255] Archangel (2,3) metallic squink [121], Ma'at [232], Suburban Plankton [235,239] Lightfoot (2,2) CatInASuit [165] Honest Moley [211] Guiri (1,1) Rysto [171] Rysto (1,1) Lightfoot [183] BillMc (0,2) Honest Moley [81 196] Ma'at [103 193] metallic squink (0,1) Septimus [112,237] GnarlyCharlie (0,1) JustBeingGinger [173 215] JustBeingGinger (0,1) CatInASuit [64 165] CatInASuit (0,1) Septimus [47 112] colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13]
Day 4 Vote Count prior to MHaye's claim Archangel (4,1): metallic squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] metallic squink (3,3)*: BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] Gnarlycharlie (1,1): JustBeingGinger [18] Ma'at (1,1): Rysto [35] CatInaSuit (1,1): Suburban Plankton [183] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] BillMc (1,1): Lightfoot [205] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180], Suburban Plankton [175,183] Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180]
Day 4 Final Vote Count metallic squink (8,8): BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151], Merestil Haye [251], Rysto [257], Ma'at [272], JustBeingGinger [292], storyteller0910 [313,314,319] Archangel (4,2): metallic squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] CatInaSuit (2,2): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarlycharlie [246], LightFoot [312] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] Gnarlycharlie (0,1): JustBeingGinger [18,292] Ma'at (0,1): Rysto [35, 257] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183] Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180] BillMc (0,1): Lightfoot [205,300]
Day 5 Final Vote Count JustBeingGinger (9,9): BillMc [104], Ma'at [115], CatInaSuit [128], septimus [134], storyteller [135], Honest Moley [153], Rysto [181], Archangel [183], guiri [185] Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,0)
(By the way, I've made the assumption that we're down to 1 scum, so Ma'at must be Town regardless of MHaye's alignment. Feel free to challenge me on that one).
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Post by Rysto on Jun 6, 2011 19:11:48 GMT -5
Shoot, CIAS should be in blue Day One...
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 6, 2011 19:21:23 GMT -5
Vote StorytellerWhatever Bill's alignment he did more than anyone to help town in this game. You used your kill on the one person who was pointing out scum. I don't care what justification for it you claimed. That is scummy. That's not sound reasoning. If someone is Scum, or otherwise a threat to Town, it ultimately doesn't matter how much they help Town during the game - they have to die eventually. "I don't care what justification for it you claimed" is a good way to not find Scum. Do you really think that I, as Scum, had a Daykill and held on to it all this time? An extra kill for Scum is hugely powerful - why would I have held it and risked being Night killed by one of the various Night killers with that still in my pocket? If I were actually Scum with a Daykill, I'd have used it far earlier.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 6, 2011 19:37:40 GMT -5
I won't vote until we hear from MHaye. PLEASE tell me we've got a definite result on Ma'at. I have a definite result on Ma'at. Storyteller, your big advantage in this game is that you have the most torturous mind EVER when it comes to things like roleclaims. On the other hand, your big disadvantage in this game is that you have the most torturous mind EVER when it comes to things like roleclaims. For example, this:What? What? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? I have two questions - and this isn't pointing suspicion, it's trying to work out what world your head is in right now, because I'm sure it ain't the same one that I currently inhabit... 1) While I freely admit that even now MHaye's alignment isn't proven, in what kind of ultra-paranoid state of mind would you have to be to consider him looking bad twelve hours ago? I mean, how does that even work? The guy has proven his role - a role that is extremely unlikely to apply to a malicious PFK - by confirming the case against a scummy player, and pointing out a now-admitted third party! Was he in league with both Guiri and Squink? Is "Lie Detector" a scum role? I don't understand... 2) And by the same rationale, how does BillMC's alignment at the time of his death change anything? I mean, everybody's been asking whether MHaye could've had a wrong reading. I don't think anybody's asked whether he's deliberately lied on BillMC's behalf, which is what that question implies... which would mean that either MHaye, after investigating BillMC, concocted a lunatic scheme to shield him from suspicion, for God knows what reason; or else the Lie Detector was in league with the Stalker / Serial Killer from the start, have their own private method of communication, their own win condition that somehow both roles have to help fulfill, and... ok my brain just exploded. Seriously, how do you even come up with this stuff? Does it extend into real life? Do you walk down the street and wonder if old ladies are secretly in league with teenagers on skateboards to steal candies from babies? It must be hell being you! Anyway, on a more serious point... I can't speak for Septimus, but my worry about Charlie is that of everybody who could be a malevolent PFK, he fits by far the best. I doubt he is one, but it's in no way been proven that he isn't. I don't think he's scum, for much the same reasons as you don't.
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Post by septimus on Jun 7, 2011 2:59:43 GMT -5
We need to hunt for Scum in unlikely places; charlie may be unlikely but the fact he asked for any Doc to claim after Town used up its presumably last Kill still seems quite odd, if not suspicious. My vote is probably wrong, but the Day is young so I'll wait for a better candidate before doing the Unvote. There's something else I'm suspicious of: I'm for a mass claim though won't be on my computer for a few hours so can't post my PM til later in th day. I request that both Rysto and Ma'at post their exact role PM's again, and also copy the time stamps. Yes, you've both posted the PM's already, but not inside quote tags, and not with the timestamp. Moley, you are also on my list of unlikely Scum candidates; what do you think of that?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 7, 2011 4:38:13 GMT -5
We need to hunt for Scum in unlikely places; charlie may be unlikely but the fact he asked for any Doc to claim after Town used up its presumably last Kill still seems quite odd, if not suspicious. My vote is probably wrong, but the Day is young so I'll wait for a better candidate before doing the Unvote. There's something else I'm suspicious of: I'm for a mass claim though won't be on my computer for a few hours so can't post my PM til later in th day. I request that both Rysto and Ma'at post their exact role PM's again, and also copy the time stamps. Yes, you've both posted the PM's already, but not inside quote tags, and not with the timestamp. Moley, you are also on my list of unlikely Scum candidates; what do you think of that? Well I take it to mean that you think I'm quite capable of lying my ass off and fooling everybody here, but in this case I'm probably not doing so. So I'm actually rather flattered.
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Post by guiri on Jun 7, 2011 12:29:59 GMT -5
@ Archangel, Story's character and Day Vig power were confirmed by the mod in the N5 color. I've never heard of a vig being anything other than Town.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 7, 2011 14:42:22 GMT -5
Moley, you are also on my list of unlikely Scum candidates; what do you think of that? I'll tell you one other thing as well. Well, two other things. Firstly, looking at Rysto's interactions with Lightfoot, I'm going to Unvote: Rysto for now. The difficulty is that there isn't a single person left who hasn't been either voted by or voted for a now-confirmed scum when they were "unconfirmed". Ok, I got two requests to make here. First off, I've looked back over everything, and I STILL think Ma'at looks like scum. But MHaye's role tells me that Ma'at is town or non-malevolent third-party. Here's the problem I have with this. I look at what various pieces of role information has told me, and I get this: - Meeko is a vanilla townie (start of day 2). - BillMC is scum trying to frame Meeko (start of day 3). Now I look at my own deductions and what they've told me. And I get this: - Meeko is most likely to be scum (night one). - Ace and Cap'n Pinkies are town (days one and two). - Other than presumed townie Meeko, Lightfoot is the most likely to be scum (day three). - Metallic Squink is scum due to her interactions with Meeko (night three). - Ginger is scum due to her voting patterns and lack of conflict with Metallic Squink (day four). - CatInASuit isn't scum during to his strong, if erroneous, scum-hunting (day five). So basically when it comes to actual deductions, I've pretty much been ahead of the curve the entire time on most things; but when it comes to role-related stuff, I've been way off. Or to put it another way: I prefer to trust my own brain and what comes out of it, it's served me pretty well in this game so far. All of which leaves me VERY reluctant to trust MHaye's role in this case when I still think that JustBeingGinger could have sacrificed herself to save Ma'at because she knew she had a power role. I thought role-blocker, but maybe it's actually the power to alter a role-related PM from Sis C or something. Sounds gastardly, but so does a role where you can read others' role-related PMs, and that one exists. Trust me on this. MHaye, can you indulge me here and please ask Sis C if there's any possibility that the result you got from your lie-detector check could be wrong or tampered with.(Oh yeah, and while I'm reminiscing on past successes / failures, on the subject of Ginger... in retrospect, it's actually embarassing that I ignored the gigantic clue of her assigning some kind of deadly power to anybody saying my name, and in the same sentence saying it twice herself. As dead giveaways that somebody is being blatantly dishonest go, that's kind of a big one!) As for Guiri's repeating my point about Storyteller being "vigged" not "killed", I think I'd like to get some mod confirmation on that one. So here we go: Sis C, can you please confirm if the term "Vigged", as used in BillMC's death post, definitely refers to the action of a "Vigilante" or town-sided killing role?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 7, 2011 14:50:05 GMT -5
Color is just color and should not be interpreted confirmation or disavowal of anyone's role, claimed role, alignment, claimed alignment, beer preference, or shoe size.
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mod.
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Post by special on Jun 7, 2011 14:55:04 GMT -5
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mod.[/b][/quote] Nah Nah
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 7, 2011 15:17:44 GMT -5
/me chases ghosts out of the thread.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 7, 2011 15:49:29 GMT -5
Unvote Storyteller
In spite of SisC's response, I'm going to have to go with that being correct (subconsciously).
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 7, 2011 18:17:27 GMT -5
Current vote count:
gnarlycharlie (2,1) septimus [12] Archangel (2,0) Moley (1,0) Rysto (0,1) Honest Moley [22,38] Storyteller (0,1) Archangel [30,42]
With these votes, gnarlycharlie will be lynched.
Hammer (1): guiri [11]
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 7, 2011 19:07:35 GMT -5
@ Moley, Bill was not Town but 3rd party Mary Ann impersonating Alice: " You need to find and Kill Alice, so you can take over for her with no one the wiser, since the two of you are so alike." He apparently investigated as Town to a cop or lie detector because Mary Ann looked like Alice. I had a similar 3rd party-but-investigates-as-Town power in Scooby-Doo mafia as unwatchable-godfather-3rd party/PFK-SK-bomb. Ok, we have: Honest Moley - town eavesdropper. Septimus, Archangel, Rysto, Ma'at - claimed vanilla town. Plankton - confirmed town Scotsman. GnarlyCharlie - claimed town Jack Of All Trades. MHaye - claimed town lie-detector, soft-confirmed not scum by me. Storyteller - claimed town one-shot day vig. Guiri - claimed 3rd party survivor, confirmed as not having used a role action last night via PM to the mod. We have two survivors, one claimed, one confirmed. We also have no doc and no roleblocker. Having very successfully played a scum doc, and won as such, I don't want to assume the alignment of either role; yet I'd USUALLY associate doc with town and roleblocker with scum. WE HAVE NO EXPLANATION OF WHY THE SCUM DIDN'T KILL LAST NIGHT. If any townie has an explanation, they need to come forward. If anybody - particularly myself, Charlie or MHaye - were protected last night, it makes a HUGE difference. If there's a malevolent third-party out there, they need to do something to forward their win condition. One point that's occurred to me: if this is GnarlyCharlie and he's some sort of killer PFK, why would he come straight out and admit that he killed CIAS? Why not just let the townies assume that it was a scumkill gone wrong, or say he redirected the kill from a townie with a role, or something? If there's a town doc, it could really only be one of four people. If one of those people is scum, they can narrow the suspects down to 1/3. Without wanting to give away ideas to the scum, there's a fairly obvious way to reduce the odds still further. Not claiming will not keep you safe from the scum. Guiri could still be scum. I've been assuming that he isn't because of his role in Meeko's lynch, but all we know for definite is that he didn't PM anybody last night and he isn't town. Any of the vanillas, with the apparent exception of Ma'at, could be scum. My big issue there is that Ma'at fits the role far better than any of the rest, yet he's the one who MHaye has cleared. I'm going to try and see if I could be wrong about anybody else in that group. I don't think four scum, with the powers that we know of, are balanced against the group of town and third-parties that we have. So I'd assume we have at least one more scum to find. A malicious third-party could still be out there also, but if it's not Charlie or Story, what the hell have they been doing all this time? Any ideas? Somebody else PLEASE give us some ideas here, in particular what happened last night to apparently stop a scum night-kill.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 7, 2011 20:38:34 GMT -5
Taking a quick break from studying and wanted to post a thought before i lose it.
Is it possible Guiri is scum, not 3rd party, and did not NK last night in case Moley was listening (assuming a PM needs to be sent for a NK, not sure if that's the case)? I can't remember, and don't have time to check if Guiri was confirmed 3rd party, or just lying with the I'm town statement (per MHaye).
And Moley, I'm taking your continued suspicion of me as evidence that you are just as lost as I am at this point in the game ;D
Septimus - not sure how to quote a PM as you requested in a previous post, but I can copy and paste it. It's not formatted as it appears in my PM, since I already did that with my first post, and you seem more interested in the time stamp (which comes from when I subbed in). Here:
Re: Mafia in Wonderland « Message sent on May 13, 2011, 10:04am » You are the Seven of Hearts.
You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off.
You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.
You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. Back to Top Logged Yes, Virginia, sometimes you do have to vote to lynch yourself.
Yes, I do think that other players should vote for who I think is the scummiest. -- Redskeezix
Mod record: Town 1 Scum 2 Third Party 1
And for anyone else that cares to listen, I will be looking at Bill's suspicion list that he left before he was vigged and likely just pick the best candidate from there, for lack of a better strategy at this point.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 7, 2011 22:41:17 GMT -5
first of all, i apologize if i hurt anyone's feelings directly or indirectly with my previous post. specifically addressing Septimus' vote, let me categorically state that i do not think he is stupid, only his vote. a lot of intelligent people have made stupid things. in retrospect, i should have just said his reasoning was very flawed. i was frustrated since i didn't get scum and i was lynched in another game. again, my apologies to all. Wooow... well, it was obvious you were responsible for CIAS, but I thought you'd done it by redirecting a scum-kill. Didn't think you'd actually pulled the trigger yourself! Mind telling me why you chose CIAS over Ma'at? Moley, two reasons: 1. he was the one who most players wanted vigged. 2. in Alice in Wonderland, the cards mentioned are 2, 5 and 7. 5 was at odds with the others. since Ma'at claims to be 7, i chose not to take her out. with MHaye's result it seems Ma'at is Town. we now have to options: 1. lynch someone from the vanilla pool. Rysto would be my 1st choice. he has been flying fairly under the radar. 2nd would be Archangel since she has a number not actually mentioned in the story. she feels like Town though. 3rd would be Septimus. like Archangel he feels like Town. he ranks better than her only because 2 is actually mentioned in the story. last then would be Ma'at who is cleared (or as close to being cleared without actually dying) and 7 is also mentioned in the story. 2. lynch someone who isn't vanilla. Guiri would be my first and maybe only choice. he is claimed 3rd party and i'm not convinced we have two survivors. also the lack on an NK and Guiri's lack of a PM with SisC last Night is a plausible combination. i repeat the call for any person responsible for the non-NK last Night to come out. we need the info. it may well spell victory for Town. if no one admits, we go back to the two options i mentioned earlier.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 8, 2011 7:00:45 GMT -5
OK, regarding the single-kill Night. I'm going to list all the possibilities I can imagine, even the ones that seem unlikely to me:
1. Scum killed CatinaSuit (and so did gnarlycharly, who is telling the truth): I can't think of a reason why Scum would kill CatinaSuit. He was under considerable suspicion (a fair number of players wanted me to Vig him, and it was entirely possible or even likely that he'd be lynched toDay had he survived the Night). septimus posits that Cat might have been killed because the Scum thought Cat was the Doctor, but this sounds crazy to me. Why would Cat, as the Doctor, sign off for the last time, knowing that I could decide to Vig him at any moment, and not claim. However, if septimus believed Cat to be a potential Doc enough to mention it, then maybe the Scum did, too (especially if septimus IS Scum). This cannot be ruled out as a possibility.
2. Same as above, only gnarlycharly is lying Scum: This still leaves the question of "who killed Lightfoot" with which to contend. I think charly could be third party, even malicious third party, but I think he is definitely not Scum.
3. The Scum failed to place a Night kill order: Highly unlikely. All living players have been active participants in the game, enough so that missing a kill order would be a surprise.
4. The Scum intentionally chose to not-kill for whatever reason: Possible.
5. A Scum kill was blocked: If this happened, the player responsible should claim. We have passed the point where the value of a hidden power role outweighs the value of a potentially confirmable (or at least partially confirmable) player. I don't think this is it, though, because I don't think we have any more power roles.
6. There are no Scum left: Possible. A no-kill Night toNight would make this extremely plausible. If there are no Scum left, then we must start targeting third parties... and I think guiri is where we'd have to start.
More to come.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 8, 2011 7:03:08 GMT -5
Is it possible Guiri is scum, not 3rd party, and did not NK last night in case Moley was listening (assuming a PM needs to be sent for a NK, not sure if that's the case)? I can't remember, and don't have time to check if Guiri was confirmed 3rd party, or just lying with the I'm town statement (per MHaye). Yes, it's possible. MHaye got only a "False" in response to an "I am Town" type statement from Guiri, I am pretty sure. The scenario you propose is possible.
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Post by guiri on Jun 8, 2011 7:07:16 GMT -5
Is it possible Guiri is scum, not 3rd party, and did not NK last night in case Moley was listening (assuming a PM needs to be sent for a NK, not sure if that's the case)? I'm not scum but if I were, not submitting a NK would certainly avoid the eavesdropper but would not prevent the claimed lie detector from investigating one of my statements. I can't remember, and don't have time to check if Guiri was confirmed 3rd party, or just lying with the I'm town statement (per MHaye). I lied about being Town. Firstly, looking at Rysto's interactions with Lightfoot, I'm going to Unvote: Rysto for now. Rysto would be my 1st choice. he has been flying fairly under the radar. Rysto: - didn't mention Meeko before he was lynched, Metallic before MHaye claimed, or Ginger before she claimed apart from an comment related to another game - was poked by Lightfoot on D2 for lurking - was voted by Lightfoot on D3 for continuing to lurk - made a case against Ma'at that would implicate Lightfoot if Ma'at flipped scum - posted his VT PM shortly after Ginger with formatting that matched subsequent VT PMs 2nd would be Archangel since she has a number not actually mentioned in the story. she feels like Town though. Archangel- was voted by Metallic D2, D3 and D4 - accused Dirx of smudging Meeko- voted Meeko 3rd to protect Bill/bait scum - got 2 final votes D4 for not voting in first post - said she was fairly confident Metallic was scum D4, partly because Bill said so, but couldn't move vote 3rd would be Septimus. like Archangel he feels like Town. he ranks better than her only because 2 is actually mentioned in the story. Septimus- voted Metallic D3 - switched his vote from Metallic to Meeko towards the end of the Day - voted Metallic D4 making a tie with Archangel- voted Ginger D5 for her PM and voting record Rysto does look worse but the PM gives me pause.
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Post by septimus on Jun 8, 2011 8:47:25 GMT -5
Hello all. My internet has been down for 20 hours; I cannot get ISP to acknowledge there is a problem let alone schedule a fix. I'm writing this from an Internet cafe which is uncomfortable and inconvenient for me. I will try to check-in once tomorrow and once Friday though, as usual, I'll probably be asleep for the Lynch which is Saturday morning my time. Oh. By the way, I am the Town Doc. I'm surprised the rest of you haven't guessed this, with me writing things like "The Town Doc will claim vanilla unless he's a nitwit, right?" I had good reason to fear the Town Doc in this game was a nitwit. I protected MHaye last Night. I'll post my earlier protects tomorrow if others deem it wise. I think 3rd parties pretending to be Town should 'fess up and MHaye should detect straightforward statements like one of the following. I am Town. I am the Town Doc. Proving someone is "Town or 3rd Party" doesn't do it for me. A 3rd Party can be a threat even if he/she is not a winstealer. By the way (though without explanation): Unvote: gnarlycharlieVote: Rysto
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Post by Rysto on Jun 8, 2011 9:17:20 GMT -5
My PM, as requested:
Mafia in Wonderland Role « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 5:50pm » [Reply]
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 8, 2011 9:36:23 GMT -5
Is it possible Guiri is scum, not 3rd party, and did not NK last night in case Moley was listening (assuming a PM needs to be sent for a NK, not sure if that's the case)? I'm not scum but if I were, not submitting a NK would certainly avoid the eavesdropper but would not prevent the claimed lie detector from investigating one of my statements. I lied about being Town. Rysto: - didn't mention Meeko before he was lynched, Metallic before MHaye claimed, or Ginger before she claimed apart from an comment related to another game - was poked by Lightfoot on D2 for lurking - was voted by Lightfoot on D3 for continuing to lurk - made a case against Ma'at that would implicate Lightfoot if Ma'at flipped scum - posted his VT PM shortly after Ginger with formatting that matched subsequent VT PMs Archangel- was voted by Metallic D2, D3 and D4 - accused Dirx of smudging Meeko- voted Meeko 3rd to protect Bill/bait scum - got 2 final votes D4 for not voting in first post - said she was fairly confident Metallic was scum D4, partly because Bill said so, but couldn't move vote 3rd would be Septimus. like Archangel he feels like Town. he ranks better than her only because 2 is actually mentioned in the story. Septimus- voted Metallic D3 - switched his vote from Metallic to Meeko towards the end of the Day - voted Metallic D4 making a tie with Archangel- voted Ginger D5 for her PM and voting record Rysto does look worse but the PM gives me pause. Honestly, none of these people look like scum to me. Archangel was the scum designated goat for the first half of the game, Septimus switched his vote from one scum to another scum on Day 3 and voted Ginger before she claimed yesterday (although if he knew she was going to claim, this could be a good tactic). Rysto was at odds with Lightfoot for the best part of two days. Guiri was the second person to vote Meeko. As for myself: I FoS'd Ginger long before anybody else did, twice; I tried to get Lightfoot lynched instead of Meeko; I voted Squink second of everybody on the day she was killed. You know, fark it. Two survivors is one too many, and as unlikely as Guiri looks, he looks a great deal more likely than anybody else who's not been confirmed by MHaye. Vote: Guiri. Sorry dude.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 8, 2011 10:29:43 GMT -5
Oh. By the way, I am the Town Doc. I'm surprised the rest of you haven't guessed this, with me writing things like "The Town Doc will claim vanilla unless he's a nitwit, right?" I had good reason to fear the Town Doc in this game was a nitwit. finally! i did think that there was a Doc. i was leaning more towards Ma'at although you were in the mix due to your card number. by protecting Mhaye from an NK, it fairly confirms him, assuming there's still scum. if there's only a 3rd party left, that complicates things. so it's either Rysto or Guiri. i'll have to think about this.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 8, 2011 10:33:16 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,1) septimus [12,50] Moley (1,0) Guiri (1,1) Honest Moley [52] Rysto (0,1) Honest Moley [22,38] Storyteller (0,1) Archangel [30,42]
With these votes, Archangel will be lynched.
Hammer (1): guiri [11]
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2011 11:32:07 GMT -5
septimus, do you mind telling us what actions you took the first 4 Nights?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2011 12:07:31 GMT -5
My thoughts on the remaining players:
gnarlycharlie - My thinking coming in to the Day was that charlie stood a good chance of being a PFK. But his copping to the CIAS kill doesn't fit with that at all. If he were a PFK, he would have kept silent and let the Scum be credited for the single kill. So I'm inclined to believe charlie.
storyteller - I don't have a problem with his killing of Bill Yesterday. There were too many unanswered questions for there to ever be a sense of security there. I don't see any way story is Scum. There's a possibility he could be 3rd party, but I don't think he could be malicious, so I'm not worried about him.
MHaye, Honest Moley - If wither of them are Scum or PFK, then they deserve a win in this game, because they're doing an Oscar-worthy acting job.
septimus - I believe the claim at this point.
So that leaves:
Ma'at - Has been 'cleared' of being Scum, but could still be third-party
guiri - Claimed third-party
Rysto - claimed Vanilla
Archangel - claimed Vanilla
I'm going to
Vote: Rysto
His voting record:
Day 1 - Voted Honest Moley, only after ace093 was leading the voting with 7 votes Day 2 - Placed a one-off vote on Guiri Day 3 - Placed a one-off vote on Guiri Day 4 - Had a one-off vote on Ma'at for most of the Day, then switched to Squink after MHaye's Lie-Detector claim Day 5 - Had a vote on Ma'at most of the day, then move to Ginger after her Godfather claim
It's just too 'safe'. There's nothing controversial in there at all, and that just seems too much to believe at this point in the game.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 8, 2011 13:08:10 GMT -5
And Moley, I'm taking your continued suspicion of me as evidence that you are just as lost as I am at this point in the game ;D Well you can start by stopping repeating what I've already said, phrasing it slightly differently, and stating it as your own! Also tell Storyteller to stop attributing things I've said to you!Sheesh, I'm beginning to feel like the invisible man... So Septimus is the doc. I am... less than overwhelmed with shock. Hard to see how it could've been anybody except him, Archangel and Rysto, and Archangel claimed vanilla when he was under pressure three days ago... I think we're up against scum, not another malicious third-party. Again, if it's a third-party, what's he / she been doing? The only person who kinda fits is GnarlyCharlie, and even then there are inconsistencies (like his confessing to CIAS's kill, as I pointed out before). MHaye, did you ever ask SisC about how reliable your role was?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 8, 2011 13:12:31 GMT -5
My thoughts on the remaining players: gnarlycharlie - My thinking coming in to the Day was that charlie stood a good chance of being a PFK. But his copping to the CIAS kill doesn't fit with that at all. If he were a PFK, he would have kept silent and let the Scum be credited for the single kill. So I'm inclined to believe charlie. storyteller - I don't have a problem with his killing of Bill Yesterday. There were too many unanswered questions for there to ever be a sense of security there. I don't see any way story is Scum. There's a possibility he could be 3rd party, but I don't think he could be malicious, so I'm not worried about him. MHaye, Honest Moley - If wither of them are Scum or PFK, then they deserve a win in this game, because they're doing an Oscar-worthy acting job. septimus - I believe the claim at this point. So that leaves: Ma'at - Has been 'cleared' of being Scum, but could still be third-party guiri - Claimed third-party Rysto - claimed Vanilla Archangel - claimed Vanilla I'm going to Vote: Rysto [/color] His voting record: Day 1 - Voted Honest Moley, only after ace093 was leading the voting with 7 votes Day 2 - Placed a one-off vote on GuiriDay 3 - Placed a one-off vote on GuiriDay 4 - Had a one-off vote on Ma'at for most of the Day, then switched to Squink after MHaye's Lie-Detector claim Day 5 - Had a vote on Ma'at most of the day, then move to Ginger after her Godfather claim It's just too 'safe'. There's nothing controversial in there at all, and that just seems too much to believe at this point in the game.[/quote] Ah damn it. I kinda agree with you. Lightfoot could have been distancing... plainly, no matter who the last scum is, somebody must have been. Ok then. I might end up switching votes seven or eight times today it seems. I'm already up to #3. Unvote: Guiri. Vote: Rysto.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 8, 2011 13:35:08 GMT -5
While we're sort of collectively working out how to proceed, here's a thought, not an entirely nice one, worthy of discussion, I think.
At the moment, Archangel and gnarlycharly both have two permanent final votes. This is potentially a significant problem, if either is Town. Consider the following three person hypothetical endgame, at Dawn of some given Day: Archangel (confirmed by hypothetical future MHaye lie detection), Plankton (confirmed by his role), SteveTheScummer (not confirmed). At Dawn, it is obvious to Archangel and Plankton that SteveTheScummer is the last remaining Scum. They both vote for him. He, though outnumbered, sneaks in a vote for Archangel before anyone else can vote.
Guess what happens?
This same scenario could pose a problem with four players left, too, as one remaining Scum could force a mislynch against even three confirmed Townies by voting quickly.
If there are two Scum currently alive, the situation is even grimmer.
I don't know how to handle this.
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