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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 9, 2011 12:51:23 GMT -5
Moley, indeed makes some good points. as i said earlier it's either Rysto or guiri. i'll be pragmatic and side with the majority of votes. it also helps that my gut says i should: Vote RystoVote Hammermy vote will not count but it may for the hammer if we reach the required number. I have to say to everyone: your total lack of confidence that the game's going to end tonight is not exactly comforting. Oh well...
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 9, 2011 13:07:54 GMT -5
Before we invoke the hammer, do you think it’s a good idea to wait until MHaye can request people to make statements? Doesn’t seem like many were made today, other than by Guiri, and if by chance Rysto is not the last scum, this will likely be the last night MHaye will get to lie detect (Septimus will probably be NK'd toNight, and then MHaye on the next Night).
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 9, 2011 14:55:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the thought Ma'at.
I was planning on waiting until the consensus on who to vote firmed up a bit before asking for statements to test. I am a bit behind on absorbing votes though; the last one I recorded was Septimus's in post 50.
I'll catch up and decide. Can't be caught by a hammer, can I?
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I'm fine with instituting the hammer from Day 7.
I'd rather not go to the hammer Today. Just my feeling about changing the rules in the middle of the Day.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 9, 2011 15:39:06 GMT -5
I have not done this, and do not intend to. We already know the answer. The results gained by my lie-detection power can be "spoofed" by the powers of other players in this game. Therefore they are subject to alteration by other player's powers. This is proven by BillMc's initially being revealed as a Townie, and only reverting to Third Party after his death, when his power ceased operation. ...And this isn't worth checking out? No. All that will tell us is that it is possible to make my investigation return a false result. Sister C is not repeat never going to tell me if someone did spoof my power. She should not even confirm, at this stage, that Bill's power could spoof mine; and it seems quite clear that it did. (This is a deduction from death reveals.) At this point, Ma'at is low on my suspicion list, and frankly I don't believe she is Mafia aligned. She might be PFK. That is not an indicator of guilt. Mafia should conflict from time to time, or people will get suspicious. Your starting point is an assumption that Mafia team members will not fight in the game thread unless it's unavoidable. This is simply not true, and thus you traipse happily down the garden path. At this point, what we need to do is lynch one of the unconfirmeds, and your current vote (current as at the post I quoted, anyway) is helping that. Ma'at should be way down on the suspicion list, although not eliminated from it. More later, as I read through.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 9, 2011 16:14:01 GMT -5
It looks as if the Town consensus is to lynch Rysto and see what happens. Rysto is certainly in my list of unknowns, and eliminating an unknown is what we need to do right now. I hope Rysto is one of the threats to Town, although my gut says there are two, one of which is a PFK. Vote: Rysto As for the test statement, I would like a post containing the sentence "I am Town or Third Party," preferably on a single line, from the following players. - Archangel
- Gnarlycharlie
- Honest Moley
- Septimus
- Storyteller
I'm OK with what Guiri has already posted; however he can make a post with the same statement if he wishes. I will remind you that Sister Coyote uses Third Party to mean self-aligned players who can share the win with other teams; self aligned winstealers she refers to as PFK. Therefore the statement I wish players to make can be tested to determine whether a player is a threat to Town or not. (Assuming they can't spoof the investigation, of course.)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 9, 2011 16:16:28 GMT -5
I am Town or Third Party.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 9, 2011 16:34:31 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Rysto (8,8) Honest Moley [22,38], septimus [50], suburban plankton [56], Honest Moley [58], storyteller [78], gnarlycharlie [79], guiri [82], Archangel [83], Ma'at [85], MHaye [94] Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,1) septimus [12,50] Moley (1,0) Guiri (0,1) Honest Moley [52,58] Storyteller (0,1) Archangel [30,42]
With these votes, Rysto will be lynched. ToDay will end in approximately one day, three and one-half hours.
Side Note: The mod will be OFFLINE from ~6:00 - 10:00 PST as Thursday League has started again.
Hammer (6): guiri [11], gnarlycharlie [79], Archangel [83], storyteller [87], septimus [88], Honest Moley [89], MHaye (not counted in total; starting Day 7) [92]
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Post by guiri on Jun 9, 2011 16:39:08 GMT -5
I am Town or Third Party.
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Post by guiri on Jun 9, 2011 16:40:08 GMT -5
Rysto did not vote himself in #94, it was MHaye
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 9, 2011 16:44:44 GMT -5
You are correct and it is corrected.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 9, 2011 17:17:42 GMT -5
I am Town or Third Party.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 9, 2011 17:18:16 GMT -5
As for the test statement, I would like a post containing the sentence "I am Town or Third Party," preferably on a single line, from the following players. I'm just curious, why "I am Town or Third Party"? Why not just "I am Town"? Wouldn't that work just fine for everyone but guiri? If we have a PFK masquerading among us as a Vanilla Townie, then telling us he is "Town or Third Party" isn't going to help a bit, and if someone is Scum, then "I am Town" should be sufficient. Is there some subtlety here that I'm not getting? (It certainly wouldn't be the first time...)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 9, 2011 17:25:36 GMT -5
As for the test statement, I would like a post containing the sentence "I am Town or Third Party," preferably on a single line, from the following players. I'm just curious, why "I am Town or Third Party"? Why not just "I am Town"? Wouldn't that work just fine for everyone but guiri? If we have a PFK masquerading among us as a Vanilla Townie, then telling us he is "Town or Third Party" isn't going to help a bit, and if someone is Scum, then "I am Town" should be sufficient. Is there some subtlety here that I'm not getting? (It certainly wouldn't be the first time...) I think MHaye is trading on the distinction made by Sister Coyote between "Third Party" (a non-Town, non-Scum player with a nonexclusive win condition) and "PFK" (a non-Town, non-Scum player who can steal the win from the rest of the players). I'm not really sure it's advisable, honestly, because there may be loopholes. I'd much rather establish firmly who is Town and then go from there. But it's MHaye's power, and he'll use it as he thinks best.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 9, 2011 17:48:49 GMT -5
I'm just curious, why "I am Town or Third Party"? Why not just "I am Town"? Wouldn't that work just fine for everyone but guiri? If we have a PFK masquerading among us as a Vanilla Townie, then telling us he is "Town or Third Party" isn't going to help a bit, and if someone is Scum, then "I am Town" should be sufficient. Storyteller has it right, basically. To Sister Coyote, there is an important distinction between Third Party and PFK. PFKs are winstealers, and therefore a threat to Town. Third Parties are not winstealers, and therefore are not a threat to Town. We don't have to lynch third party players, whereas we do have to lynch PFKs (unless the Mafia can be persuaded to get rid of them because they're just about to steal the win from the Mafia.) We can't afford to have me ask two questions of a player to determine whether they are a threat to Town. We need a single question to convey as much information as possible. This question should, in the absence of any further spoofing roles, enable us to tell the good from the bad with one question, maximising the number of investigated.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 9, 2011 17:57:59 GMT -5
I think you're being a bit over-sure that this distinction is so rigidly defined, but I guess that's your decision to make. But even so, since everyone has claimed Town with the exception of guiri, I still think "I am Town" would be a better phrase by which to judge, since it leaves nothing open to interpretation.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 9, 2011 18:43:13 GMT -5
I am Town or Third Party.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 9, 2011 18:54:50 GMT -5
It looks as if the Town consensus is to lynch Rysto and see what happens. Rysto is certainly in my list of unknowns, and eliminating an unknown is what we need to do right now. I hope Rysto is one of the threats to Town, although my gut says there are two, one of which is a PFK. Vote: Rysto [/color] As for the test statement, I would like a post containing the sentence "I am Town or Third Party," preferably on a single line, from the following players. - Archangel
- Gnarlycharlie
- Honest Moley
- Septimus
- Storyteller
I'm OK with what Guiri has already posted; however he can make a post with the same statement if he wishes. I will remind you that Sister Coyote uses Third Party to mean self-aligned players who can share the win with other teams; self aligned winstealers she refers to as PFK. Therefore the statement I wish players to make can be tested to determine whether a player is a threat to Town or not. (Assuming they can't spoof the investigation, of course.)[/quote] First off... didn't I write a VERY expansive sentence on Day Four I believe, encompassing not only my power and alignment but also my first three investigation results? Can you not use that? That notwithstanding... I am town.There's no need to put "or third party" because I am simply that, town. If you check that statement you'll get a "true" result and zero ambiguity. No need to complicate things. But if you INSIST on this, here you go: I am either town or third-party.I'd seriously advise checking "I am town" though. Or how about this? I am the Dormouse, a town-aligned eavesdropper.Also true, if you want to be totally sure. How about adding a conditional? Does that spoil things? If I see one more request for the bloody Lie Detector to test something or someone, I will envision choking the requester to death with a haddock.You see, that last one is technically true but unprovable; and I think the "if" at the beginning might cause a null result. Anybody care to post an opinion? FTR, I officially HATE the lie-detector role, with a passion I usually reserve for members of all-male bands that are chosen based on the flexibility of their hairstyles and marketed towards thirteen-year-old girls. It should be fairly obvious as to why (in both cases). And on a more serious point... I've spent the best part of a small essay arguing that there's probably no PFK left because 1) we've already gotten rid of two, and 2) there doesn't seem to have been any unexplained actions that could be attributed to one. What exactly do you think the PFK, if they're still in the game, has done?
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 9, 2011 19:18:42 GMT -5
Moley - I believe MHaye can only check things at night said during the previous day. So only things said toDay can be checked toNight. Hence the new requests everyDay
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 9, 2011 21:15:52 GMT -5
Moley - I believe MHaye can only check things at night said during the previous day. So only things said toDay can be checked toNight. Hence the new requests everyDay Don't blame the playuh, blame the game, eh?
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Post by septimus on Jun 9, 2011 23:17:59 GMT -5
I sure agree that "I am Town" is less ambiguous. Granted that a "Third Party" is not a Winstealer, is it clear that he cannot be a "threat to Town"? We are reduced to looking for threats in unlikely places, and I for one will waste time wondering about those who "are Town or Third party."
I am Town. I am the Town Doc. I may have saved your life last Night, MHaye.
But I'll play along.
I am Town or Third Party.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 10, 2011 8:51:13 GMT -5
It looks as if the Town consensus is to lynch Rysto and see what happens. Rysto is certainly in my list of unknowns, and eliminating an unknown is what we need to do right now. I hope Rysto is one of the threats to Town, although my gut says there are two, one of which is a PFK. Vote: Rysto [/color] As for the test statement, I would like a post containing the sentence "I am Town or Third Party," preferably on a single line, from the following players. - Archangel
- Gnarlycharlie
- Honest Moley
- Septimus
- Storyteller
I'm OK with what Guiri has already posted; however he can make a post with the same statement if he wishes. I will remind you that Sister Coyote uses Third Party to mean self-aligned players who can share the win with other teams; self aligned winstealers she refers to as PFK. Therefore the statement I wish players to make can be tested to determine whether a player is a threat to Town or not. (Assuming they can't spoof the investigation, of course.)[/quote] Ok, Rysto hasn't checked in, posted an away message, or tried to find any kind of an alternative theory here. Anybody want to bet against me if I say that the game will in all likelihood end in just under twelve hours? I don't see another win-stealer or scum in the entire lot of us right now... Always premature to celebrate victory before you know you've won, so all I will say is that I hope I'm right. And the worst part, if this happens, is this: MHaye will never get to use all of these lovely Lie Detector statements.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 10, 2011 10:26:05 GMT -5
Moley - I was thinking the same thing. Keeping my fingers crossed...
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 10, 2011 16:40:58 GMT -5
No change in vote count. Rysto is still facing the noose.
ToDay will end in approximately three hours and twenty minutes
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Post by Meeko on Jun 11, 2011 22:51:17 GMT -5
OOG / From the Grave ((Does that need to be said?)) Alice in Wonderland motion picture short from 1903 posted to YouTube. youtu.be/5ehHsSY78i0
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