|
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 12, 2011 20:00:41 GMT -5
Five and Seven said nothing, but looked at Two. Two began in a low voice, `Why the fact is, you see, Miss, this here ought to have been a RED rose-tree, and we put a white one in by mistake; and if the Queen was to find it out, we should all have our heads cut off, you know. So you see, Miss, we're doing our best, afore she comes, to--' At this moment Five, who had been anxiously looking across the garden, called out `The Queen!' and the three gardeners instantly threw themselves flat upon their faces. There was a sound of many footsteps, and Alice looked round, eager to see the Queen.
The Two apparently didn't fall quickly enough.
septimus, the Two of Hearts, Town Doc has been killed.
With MHaye's vote, we reached the seven votes necessary for the hammer to be activated. Therefore, toDay will end either at 6:00 p.m. Pacific on Friday, June 17, or 24 hours after any one player obtains the votes of SIX other players (penalty and other votes do not count toward the hammer).
|
|
Merestil Haye
FGM
Grudge Keeper
[on:Slumming it in the Middle-Earth][of:In the halls of Manw
Posts: 1,077
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 12, 2011 20:09:46 GMT -5
The short form, so everyone can read it now.
Honest Moley...
is.
His statement that he was Town or Third Party was a true statement.
I'll be back late Monday, or maybe Tuesday.
|
|
|
Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 12, 2011 21:36:05 GMT -5
The short form, so everyone can read it now. Honest Moley... is. His statement that he was Town or Third Party was a true statement. I'll be back late Monday, or maybe Tuesday. Ok, the results of my own investigation are a bit more interesting. Before I tell you guys what my result was, I'd like to ask everyone to say whether or not they carried out a night action, and if so, what it was. There's a good reason why I'm asking you to claim first, which of course will be forthcoming (once you've all claimed). Given that MHaye has just exonerated me of being what I still think is most likely the final scum, I'm hoping you guys will indulge me here.
|
|
|
Post by Ma'at on Jun 12, 2011 21:42:42 GMT -5
I carried out no night actions. Curious to hear your results, Moley...
Right now deciding between Archangel and Guiri, dependent, of course, on what Moley shares with us.
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 12, 2011 22:16:33 GMT -5
borrowed from SisC and added comments of my own:
1. Bill Mc -- Mary Ann/Alice, Third Party Stalker - Killed Day Five
2. LightFoot -- The March Hare, Scum Strongman - Killed Night Four 3. Honest Moley -- claimed Dormouse, Eavesdropper/Communication Specialist (cleared by Mhaye) 4. gnarlycharlie -- claimed Mad Hatter, Town Jack-of-all-Trades
5. Special Ed -- The Cheshire Cat, Town Cop - Killed Night Two
6. Captain Pinkies -- Ten of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day Two
7. colby11 -- Mary Ann, Vanilla Town - Killed Night Two
8. ace093 -- Six of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day One
9. septimus -- Two of Hearts, Town Doc - Killed Night Seven 10. Archangel -- claimed Three of Hearts, Vanilla Town
11. metallic squink - Dodo Bird, Scum Politician - Lynched, Day Four
12. Dirx -- Ace of Hearts, Town Optional Vig - Killed, Night Three 13. storyteller0910 -- claimed Queen of Hearts, Town Limited Day Vig 14. Ma'at -- claimed Seven of Hearts, Vanilla Town (cleared by MHaye) 15. Suburban Plankton -- White Rabbit, Scotsman (confirmed by SisC)
16. JustBeingGinger -- Five of Hearts, Scum Godfather - Lynched, Day Five
17. fluiddruid -- King of Hearts, Third Party Mad Bomber/Politician - Killed Night Two 18. guiri -- claimed Bill the Lizard, Third Party Survivor
19. Meeko -- Knave of Hearts, Scum Watcher - Lynched Day Three
20. Rysto -- Four of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Lynched Day Six 21. Merestil Haye -- claimed Caterpillar, Town Lie Detector
22. Cat in A Suit -- Nine of Hearts, Vanilla Town - Killed Night Five
assuming MHaye is Town and his readings haven't been tampered with, possible scum are:
1. gnarlycharlie 2. Archangel 3. storyteller0910 4. guiri
i say scum because septimus was NKd and it wasn't me. so i think we either go with Archangel or guiri. i favor lynching Archangel because of the uncapitalized 't' in her Three of Hearts claim.
since i didn't use any power last Night, my vote will now count.
Vote Archangel
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 12, 2011 22:17:16 GMT -5
I don't think it really needs saying, but I took no action and sent no messages last Night.
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 12, 2011 22:21:00 GMT -5
i see a couple of posts while i was typing my overly long post. well, as my post says above, i didn't have an action last Night.
|
|
|
Post by septimus on Jun 12, 2011 22:27:07 GMT -5
:ǝʌɐɹƃ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ¡¡¡ uʍoʇ oƃ
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 12, 2011 22:51:15 GMT -5
I took no action and sent no messages last Night.
|
|
|
Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 12, 2011 23:01:23 GMT -5
I carried out no night actions. Curious to hear your results, Moley... Right now deciding between Archangel and Guiri, dependent, of course, on what Moley shares with us. Thanks. I have what I need here. It was GnarlyCharlie I was testing. I wanted to see if he claimed to have used his role. If he did, I could've shown that he didn't do so through a PM to the Mod. Unfortunately, while this could've proved him a liar, it can't prove him - or anybody else, for that matter - to be telling the truth. I've thought for the last two days that we were up against the scum, not PFK; the regular night-kill of Septimus, and total lack of unexplained night-kills previously to associate with a serial killer-type PFK, would seem to confirm this (even if there wasn't already enough evidence to suggest that there's no other PFK out there). At this point I think we pretty much have no option but to get rid of the only non-town among us and hope to God that my reasoning exonerating him from being scum yesterday was flawed through scum miscommunication or something. Therefore, Vote: Guiri. Sorry dude. Oh, and Septimus, for the record, I never once seriously thought you were scum. Got that right at least. Kicking myself over Rysto though... my instinct, as I said three or four times, was that Lightfoot and Rysto couldn't be scum together. I ignored that because, apparently, Rysto had to be scum. Except he wasn't.
|
|
|
Post by special on Jun 12, 2011 23:27:58 GMT -5
:ǝʌɐɹƃ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ¡¡¡ uʍoʇ oƃ damn, you guys buried septimus upside down
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 8:55:15 GMT -5
OK, it seems pretty clear how this is probably going to play out. ToDay we will lynch either guiri or Archangel. If the game doesn't end, MHaye will die toNight and toMorrow we will lynch the other. If the game still doesn't end, then Plankton will be killed and the final Day will dawn with me, Moley, and gnarlycharly. Moley will be MHaye-confirmed, and I myself know myself to be Town, so at that point, the final non-Town player would have to be gnarlycharly (possible, but probably only if he is PFK). The trick there will be persuading Moley and Ma'at of same (ie, convincing them not to lynch ME), but we'll jump off that bridge when we come to it.
Vote: guiri
Nothing else really makes any sense to me for toDay.
vote hammer
|
|
|
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 13, 2011 9:59:21 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Archangel (3,1): gnarlycharlie [4] guiri (2,2): Honest Moley [9], storyteller [11]
With these votes, archangel will be lynched.
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 10:01:57 GMT -5
Current Vote Count: Archangel (3,1): gnarlycharlie [4] guiri (2,2): Honest Moley [9], storyteller [11] With these votes, guiri will be lynched. guiri will be lynched with these votes?
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 13, 2011 10:05:43 GMT -5
do we still have to vote to hammer? i thought that SisC said that it was in play from her initial post toDay. Moley, didn't you listen to guiri one Night? you only heard silence, right?
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 10:13:18 GMT -5
do we still have to vote to hammer? i thought that SisC said that it was in play from her initial post toDay. Yes, you are correct. Whoops.
|
|
|
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 13, 2011 10:47:06 GMT -5
Current Vote Count: Archangel (3,1): gnarlycharlie [4] guiri (2,2): Honest Moley [9], storyteller [11] With these votes, guiri will be lynched. guiri will be lynched with these votes? Archangel will be lynched, sorry; I'd say send more coffee but the truth is I'd read guiri's name and so that's what my fingers typed. I've updated the list appropriately.
|
|
|
Post by Ma'at on Jun 13, 2011 10:51:59 GMT -5
If archangel is the last scum, I don’t think she can win. Because she has two penalty votes on her, she is easy to vote off, so let’s assume we leave her until the end. Here’s how I see the vote going:
D7 (toDay) Guiri is voted off leaving: SubP, Ma’at, Moley, MHaye, Archangel, Story, Gnarly N7 MHaye gets NK’d D8 Let’s say we vote off Story (Gnarly or Story, doesn’t make a difference), leaving SubP, Ma’at, Moley, Archangel, Gnarly N8 SubP gets NK’d D9 Gnarly is voted off leaving Ma’at, Moley, Archangel N9 Moley is NK’d (I’m making up the vote count, so I get to live until the end :-)) D10 Archangel votes me, I vote archangel, but she already has two penalty votes, so I and the rest of town, win
For this reason, shouldn’t we leave Archangel until the end? Or is there some benefit (other than ending the game sooner if she is the last scum) to voting her off sooner? Seems like it would be better to get the unknowns out of the way first (she is also an unknown, but an unknown with 2 permanent penalty votes). I guess the only problem that I see is, if I turn out to be 3rd party (which I'm not, but of course only I know that), then I suppose the plan wouldn't work. But it still seems safer to *me* (since I know I'm town) to leave her until the end.
And sorry to be talking in such a cavalier manner about killing people – just trying to present a logical method of ensuring a town win ;D
Thoughts?
|
|
|
Post by Ma'at on Jun 13, 2011 10:52:58 GMT -5
vote guiri
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 13, 2011 11:06:54 GMT -5
gnarlycharlie, could you please explain exactly how your power works with regard to when you receive a 'penalty vote' and when your own vote doesn't count? If you just post your complete, unaltered PM, that would probably be best.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 13, 2011 11:36:21 GMT -5
Moley and storyteller,
Why guiri over Archangel at this point?
MHaye and Honest Moley have in effect confirmed each other at this point. I don't believe it's possible that they are both Scum, though it's technically possible that either could be 3rd Party. But even if either (or both) are, they don't seem to be malicious in any way, so I don't see either are being a "possible threat to Town".
Ma'at has been cleared as "Town or Third Party" guiri has claimed Survivor. As several others have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of an unknown malevolent role in this game. The Night Kills so far:
Night 1 - None Night 2 - fluiddruid (probably Vig killed by Dirx) colby11 (killed by Bill) Special Ed (probable Scum kill) Night 3 - Dirx (probable Scum kill) Night 4 - Lightfoot (killed by gnarlycharlie) Suburban Plankton (probably Scum kill, Scotsman) Night 5 - CatInaSuit (killed by gnarlycharlie) No Scum kill Night 6 - septimus (probable Scum kill)
There have been no 'extra' kills that remain unexplained. For that reason, I am inclined to believe that guiri is, as he claims, a Survivor.
If I'm not mistaken, Archangel and storyteller are the only two living players who have not been 'investigated' by either MHaye or Moley. storyteller quite clearly had a Day Kill ability; I doubt that such an ability would have been to Scum, especially since we know they had a Strongman. That leaves Archangel, who claims to be the "three of Hearts". I know that voting based on 'irregularities in posted PMs' is a sometimes controversial subject, but combined with everything ele, it might just be enough at this point.
One thing is bothering me at this point. My wincon is "You win when any possible threat to Town has been eliminated." Now maybe I'm just being overly paranoid, but the word 'possible' is bothering me there. Depending on how the word 'possible' is defined, one could argue that anyone with a killing power is a 'possible threat to Town'. That would appear to include gnarlycharlie. We don't have any evidence to support gnarlycharlie's claim that he is Town. If he is third Party, then I think he would most definitely be a 'possible threat to Town'.
At this point, I think our lynch choices are Archangel (possible Scum) and gnarlycharlie (possible Third Party 'threat to Town')
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 13, 2011 11:38:48 GMT -5
SP, i'd rather keep scum in the dark about what powers i have left. i will state the corresponding penalties for the powers i've used.
Informational -- Vote does not count Killing -- Vote does not count, One Penalty Vote
my vote didn't count after i investigated Squink. my vote didn't count and gained a penalty vote when i took out Lightfoot and CIAS. since i didn't any power last Night, i regained my vote and lost the penalty vote as can be seen in the last vote count.
|
|
|
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 13, 2011 11:50:41 GMT -5
One thing is bothering me at this point. My wincon is "You win when any possible threat to Town has been eliminated." Now maybe I'm just being overly paranoid, but the word 'possible' is bothering me there. Depending on how the word 'possible' is defined, one could argue that anyone with a killing power is a 'possible threat to Town'. That would appear to include gnarlycharlie. We don't have any evidence to support gnarlycharlie's claim that he is Town. If he is third Party, then I think he would most definitely be a 'possible threat to Town'. At this point, I think our lynch choices are Archangel (possible Scum) and gnarlycharlie (possible Third Party 'threat to Town') you may be paranoid about the use of the word 'possible' or it might refer to Bill BEFORE he found Colby. as to the lynch choices, based on your own reasoning, we should lynch Archangel. if i were a 3rd Party, then i would have needed to use my power AND send SisC a PM. Moley can confirm i did not send a PM and since i have my vote back, it shows i didn't use any powers last Night to produce an NK.
|
|
Merestil Haye
FGM
Grudge Keeper
[on:Slumming it in the Middle-Earth][of:In the halls of Manw
Posts: 1,077
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 13, 2011 11:51:06 GMT -5
Evening all.
First things first, the quoted PMs.
Sister C's reply :
So there you have it.
The reason I checked Moley is simple; I didn't believe his power claim. Sorry Moley, but I did not. Your power belongs on the Mafia team. (Also, you're a threat to any PFK now I've checked you over.)
I did not check Archangel for one reason. She has to go even if she's Town. The Mafia won't kill Archangel for us, and if she survives to the last three or four, the two final votes will mean the last surviving Mafiate can come out and vote for her and win.
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 11:58:09 GMT -5
Running out for a minute, but:
Plankton, you are right that there is no evidence of a malicious third party at work (I guess there could be a sneaky Mad Bomber, but to put something like that in the game without any evidence of its existence is bordering on Gastard Modding).
However, there is presently also no evidence that guiri is not simply the last Scum. Is there?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 13, 2011 12:11:18 GMT -5
Running out for a minute, but: Plankton, you are right that there is no evidence of a malicious third party at work (I guess there could be a sneaky Mad Bomber, but to put something like that in the game without any evidence of its existence is bordering on Gastard Modding). However, there is presently also no evidence that guiri is not simply the last Scum. Is there? True...there is no evidence that guiri is not Scum. But why guiri today instead of Archangel? do you have specific reasons?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 13, 2011 12:15:23 GMT -5
One thing is bothering me at this point. My wincon is "You win when any possible threat to Town has been eliminated." Now maybe I'm just being overly paranoid, but the word 'possible' is bothering me there. Depending on how the word 'possible' is defined, one could argue that anyone with a killing power is a 'possible threat to Town'. That would appear to include gnarlycharlie. We don't have any evidence to support gnarlycharlie's claim that he is Town. If he is third Party, then I think he would most definitely be a 'possible threat to Town'. At this point, I think our lynch choices are Archangel (possible Scum) and gnarlycharlie (possible Third Party 'threat to Town') you may be paranoid about the use of the word 'possible' or it might refer to Bill BEFORE he found Colby. as to the lynch choices, based on your own reasoning, we should lynch Archangel. if i were a 3rd Party, then i would have needed to use my power AND send SisC a PM. Moley can confirm i did not send a PM and since i have my vote back, it shows i didn't use any powers last Night to produce an NK. Your explanation seems reasonable. Vote: Archangel
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 13:54:38 GMT -5
SP, i'd rather keep scum in the dark about what powers i have left. i will state the corresponding penalties for the powers i've used. Informational -- Vote does not count Killing -- Vote does not count, One Penalty Vote my vote didn't count after i investigated Squink. my vote didn't count and gained a penalty vote when i took out Lightfoot and CIAS. since i didn't any power last Night, i regained my vote and lost the penalty vote as can be seen in the last vote count. Wait, I think I missed this at some point. Investigate? You investigated Squink? You are a combination Investigator/Vigilante?
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 13:57:56 GMT -5
Running out for a minute, but: Plankton, you are right that there is no evidence of a malicious third party at work (I guess there could be a sneaky Mad Bomber, but to put something like that in the game without any evidence of its existence is bordering on Gastard Modding). However, there is presently also no evidence that guiri is not simply the last Scum. Is there? True...there is no evidence that guiri is not Scum. But why guiri today instead of Archangel? do you have specific reasons? I do. The fact that Archangel's vote was purchased, ostensibly by the Scum Politician, and that she subsequently posted and took a two-vote penalty for it, strongly argues that Archangel was not in league with the Scum Politician... ie, is non-Scum.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 13, 2011 14:32:26 GMT -5
True...there is no evidence that guiri is not Scum. But why guiri today instead of Archangel? do you have specific reasons? I do. The fact that Archangel's vote was purchased, ostensibly by the Scum Politician, and that she subsequently posted and took a two-vote penalty for it, strongly argues that Archangel was not in league with the Scum Politician... ie, is non-Scum. Or that the Scum decided to 'buy' one of their own votes in order to throw us off, and Archangel screwed up by posting incorrectly. It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility...but I will need to give the matter more thought.
|
|