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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 13, 2011 14:35:25 GMT -5
Unvote: Archangel
I meant to do that at the end of my last post...
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Post by guiri on Jun 13, 2011 14:50:32 GMT -5
At this point I think we pretty much have no option but to get rid of the only non-town among us and hope to God that my reasoning exonerating him from being scum yesterday was flawed through scum miscommunication or something. Therefore, Vote: Guiri. Sorry dude. I'm not the only non-Town among you. Moley, didn't you listen to guiri one Night? you only heard silence, right? Moley eavesdropped on me Night 5 and didn't hear anything. Septimus protected MHaye that Night and Gnarly claimed to have killed CIAS. However, there is presently also no evidence that guiri is not simply the last Scum. Is there? Moley's result is an indication that I took no action Night 5. Given my role and almost null chances of meeting my wincon without being confirmed as 3rd part survivor, I wish either Moley or MHaye had checked me out last Night. The fact that Archangel's vote was purchased, ostensibly by the Scum Politician, and that she subsequently posted and took a two-vote penalty for it, strongly argues that Archangel was not in league with the Scum Politician... ie, is non-Scum. I made this point on D4 and agree that it strongly suggests she is not scum. I also would like Gnarly to explain his role in more detail. Between a confirmed Cop and Vig, mutually confirmed lie detector and eavesdropper, and (what I'd consider mod-confirmed) Day Vig, I'm not seeing an additional vig/cop combo as likely Town.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 13, 2011 17:05:13 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Archangel (3,2): gnarlycharlie [4], Suburban Plankton [26,30] guiri (3,3): Honest Moley [9], storyteller [11], Ma'at [18]
With these votes, archangel will be lynched.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 13, 2011 18:27:32 GMT -5
Vote Guiri
I'm not scum. I'm plain old vanilla town.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 13, 2011 18:41:30 GMT -5
I don't want to vote you, Guiri. I'm suspicious of GnarlyCharlie. Purely gut. But I'm town so I have to try to save myself.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 13, 2011 19:21:20 GMT -5
Evening all. First things first, the quoted PMs. Sister C's reply : So there you have it. The reason I checked Moley is simple; I didn't believe his power claim. Sorry Moley, but I did not. Your power belongs on the Mafia team. (Also, you're a threat to any PFK now I've checked you over.) I did not check Archangel for one reason. She has to go even if she's Town. The Mafia won't kill Archangel for us, and if she survives to the last three or four, the two final votes will mean the last surviving Mafiate can come out and vote for her and win. Mhaye, don't worry about it. Here's a few things I couldn't believe before this game: - That a player would be able to look at ANY private communication between players and mods, which to me is utterly sacred; - That there'd be a role like the "lie detector", which seems to be created for the specific purpose of making as many people jump through as many different-coloured hoops as possible; - That there'd be any role by which a player can interfere with another player's vote. Don't think I've come across any one of these roles before, let alone all three in the same game; which is why I think this game has (up until now) been completely gastardly. Although in my own twisted way, that's sort of a compliment to you, Sis C... it should be impossible for a game with a role-set that's as sadistic as this one to be as fun as it has been, and yet somehow you've managed it. So well done for that anyway. ;D But here's what I've learnt from this game for the future: - Whenever I write a communication to the mod, I will preface it with at least ten lines of utter garbage for every line of real content that's in it, to throw off possible eavesdroppers. (Given the average length of one of my confessionals, I suspect that this may get my account banned for spamming, and put a few encyclopedia-writers out of business in the process.) - I will always insist that everyone write the phrase "I am town or third-party" at the start of each and every day. If anybody shows any sign of not cooperating to the letter, I will lynch them immediately. Good precedents to set! Anyway, final thoughts: I agree with Storyteller. Guiri's the one proven non-town, and while he doesn't look like a great bet, neither does anybody else at the moment. I certainly think he's better than Archangel, AKA Metallic Squink's personal punching bag. If it turns out that both Guiri and Archangel are innocent, then I might end up lynching myself on pure principle.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 13, 2011 19:27:01 GMT -5
Eh. I keep forgetting about the two penalty votes. You're right that I can't be the last town at endgame because of them.
Unvote Guiri
Vote Archangel
I keep forgetting about the two goddamn penalty votes. Whoever said it (I can't find the post now) is right. I can't be the last town at endgame or scum will win.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 13, 2011 19:29:47 GMT -5
NETA: Sorry for repetitive reasoning. I thought I'd deleted the first line.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 13, 2011 19:31:09 GMT -5
Hi Moley. (Forgot to mention you so you could post again if you wanted.)
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 13, 2011 19:32:36 GMT -5
At this point I think we pretty much have no option but to get rid of the only non-town among us and hope to God that my reasoning exonerating him from being scum yesterday was flawed through scum miscommunication or something. Therefore, Vote: Guiri. Sorry dude. I'm not the only non-Town among you. Moley eavesdropped on me Night 5 and didn't hear anything. Septimus protected MHaye that Night and Gnarly claimed to have killed CIAS. Moley's result is an indication that I took no action Night 5. Given my role and almost null chances of meeting my wincon without being confirmed as 3rd part survivor, I wish either Moley or MHaye had checked me out last Night. The fact that Archangel's vote was purchased, ostensibly by the Scum Politician, and that she subsequently posted and took a two-vote penalty for it, strongly argues that Archangel was not in league with the Scum Politician... ie, is non-Scum. I made this point on D4 and agree that it strongly suggests she is not scum. I also would like Gnarly to explain his role in more detail. Between a confirmed Cop and Vig, mutually confirmed lie detector and eavesdropper, and (what I'd consider mod-confirmed) Day Vig, I'm not seeing an additional vig/cop combo as likely Town. I agree with all of this. The trouble is that I don't think we're up against a PFK here, I think we're up against scum. (I say "I think", but it seems like pretty much an absolute certainty at this point.) My role proves that you took no night-actions via PM to the mod on one night. The trouble is, neither did the two actual scum that I investigated. And neither of them knew about my role before I investigated them (I didn't claim until after I'd checked both Lightfoot and Meeko, don't forget). So my point is, I could have as many "silent" readings on you as you like; it tells us precisely nothing. Scum don't PM the mod in this game (or at least, if any of them were doing it before I claimed, I think it's pretty safe to assume they aren't doing it afterwards!) Or to put it another way: give me an alternative theory, and I'll go with it. I can see GnarlyCharlie as a scum strongman, but we already have a dead one of those. Every single role on the list is accounted for, including doc and roleblocker, among either the known town, PFKs, or scum. So I'm guessing we're looking for vanilla scum at this point. Other than the double-strongman conundrum and the fact that Story's not used his power until now, do we have any independant confirmation that Storyteller isn't scum? He seems to be the one person that everyone's ignoring, and again it's for role-related reasons (and you know how I hate relying on them).
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 13, 2011 20:49:10 GMT -5
@Moley -
1. No, other than analysis of my role, you have no particular reason to dismiss the possibility that I am Scum. I'm not - God, if I was Scum I'd at least have been right about something, sometime, in this game - but you can't prove it. But I don't see anything particularly wrong with role-based analysis, especially this late in the game. For example:
2. I think you're definitely wrong about there being no PFK. I think there is one, and I think it's gnarlycharly. There are two reasons. One is your role. To be frank, I had some suspicion of your role since you claimed it, simply because it appears to be freaking useless. In nearly every game I've played that I can recall, the Scum have placed kill orders on their own board. In many cases, Scum can also place orders for non-kill orders in the same way. Your power made no sense. And yet, there you are, and unless MHaye is lying (I don't think he is), you must be explained. The only way your role makes sense is if its intent is to catch malicious PFK (because who cares about catching non-malicious PFK?) - and we have not seen one of them yet. As you note, guiri does not appear to have done much per your power. But we do know that gnarlycharly has killed twice, and appears to have other powers (including one he describes as "Informational;" I don't remember this from before, but this has been a long game!). And honestly, I haven't had a chance to sit down and really assess the balance of this game yet (I will before this Day is out). But we are currently sort-of assuming that there were five Scum to start, including a Godfather, a Politician, a Strongman with unspecified powers, and a Watcher. Almost definitely no Role-Blocker. Look at the horde of pro-Town roles we've seen so far, and then decide if the array of powers charly has claimed makes sense as another Town role.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 14, 2011 3:32:47 GMT -5
SP, i'd rather keep scum in the dark about what powers i have left. i will state the corresponding penalties for the powers i've used. Informational -- Vote does not count Killing -- Vote does not count, One Penalty Vote my vote didn't count after i investigated Squink. my vote didn't count and gained a penalty vote when i took out Lightfoot and CIAS. since i didn't any power last Night, i regained my vote and lost the penalty vote as can be seen in the last vote count. Wait, I think I missed this at some point. Investigate? You investigated Squink? You are a combination Investigator/Vigilante? I also would like Gnarly to explain his role in more detail. Between a confirmed Cop and Vig, mutually confirmed lie detector and eavesdropper, and (what I'd consider mod-confirmed) Day Vig, I'm not seeing an additional vig/cop combo as likely Town. i mentioned investigating maybe two or three Days ago. man, it feels like no one's actually reading what i say except when i use my powers. so step back for a minute and ask yourselves, what is a JOAT? isn't that role supposed to have multiple powers? i'd really prefer to leave it at that so to give the remaining scum something to think about. Town has such an overwhelming numerical superiority that perhaps you can cut me some slack toDay. i will post my full PM Tomorrow if anyone still wants to know.
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Post by guiri on Jun 14, 2011 4:42:14 GMT -5
i mentioned investigating maybe two or three Days ago. man, it feels like no one's actually reading what i say except when i use my powers. On Day 5 you made a partial claim in D5#103 and stated that you'd killed Lightfoot. On Day 6 you said you'd killed CIAS in D6#2 and clarified that the mystery vote on D4 was caused by your investigation of Metallic in D6#73. MHaye's lie detector result on Moley is a good reason to evaluate your claim at this point. Your D4 play, as it relates to Metallic: In D4#123 you voted Moley, who was voting Metallic, because he built a case against you but decided to vote Metallic instead because Bill suspected her. You claim you had investigated Metallic on Night 3 so you knew she was scum on Day 4, why place an OMGUS vote on Moley or did you actually suspect Moley was bussing Metallic? At the time of your vote Archangel had three votes to Metallic and Septimus' two. In D4#189 you comment that Metallic: "keeps going after Archangel even if the reasoning seems week. leaning toward scum." OK, so here you express a suspicion of Metallic, for the first time (I think), when she's tied with Archangel at three votes. Of Moley you say: "considered him Town earlier but got my goat toDay. wouldn't vote for him if i didn't think he was scum." In D4#246 you state that you believe Metallic to be scum and, as your vote doesn't count, you vote CIAS to make a point. This is consistent with your claim and came just before MHaye's claim. so step back for a minute and ask yourselves, what is a JOAT? isn't that role supposed to have multiple powers? Yes, according to the wiki: "The Jack of all trades is a Town power role with several one-shot night abilities - typically investigating, protecting, blocking and killing. Once he has used an ability, he cannot use the same ability again. A variation is when The Jack of all trades is aligned with Scum or is a PFK. My doubts aren't related to you having multiple powers, that's to be expected, but the specific powers and the two kills. Given that we already have 3 Town-aligned investigative roles, 2 Town-aligned killing roles and 3 town-aligned protective roles, an additional Cop/Vig combo looks out of place. i'd really prefer to leave it at that so to give the remaining scum something to think about. Town has such an overwhelming numerical superiority that perhaps you can cut me some slack toDay. i will post my full PM Tomorrow if anyone still wants to know. Can you state why you took no action last Night? Was it by choice or a limitation on your power usage?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 14, 2011 7:10:50 GMT -5
i mentioned investigating maybe two or three Days ago. man, it feels like no one's actually reading what i say except when i use my powers. On Day 5 you made a partial claim in D5#103 and stated that you'd killed Lightfoot. On Day 6 you said you'd killed CIAS in D6#2 and clarified that the mystery vote on D4 was caused by your investigation of Metallic in D6#73. MHaye's lie detector result on Moley is a good reason to evaluate your claim at this point. Your D4 play, as it relates to Metallic: In D4#123 you voted Moley, who was voting Metallic, because he built a case against you but decided to vote Metallic instead because Bill suspected her. You claim you had investigated Metallic on Night 3 so you knew she was scum on Day 4, why place an OMGUS vote on Moley or did you actually suspect Moley was bussing Metallic? At the time of your vote Archangel had three votes to Metallic and Septimus' two. In D4#189 you comment that Metallic: "keeps going after Archangel even if the reasoning seems week. leaning toward scum." OK, so here you express a suspicion of Metallic, for the first time (I think), when she's tied with Archangel at three votes. Of Moley you say: "considered him Town earlier but got my goat toDay. wouldn't vote for him if i didn't think he was scum." In D4#246 you state that you believe Metallic to be scum and, as your vote doesn't count, you vote CIAS to make a point. This is consistent with your claim and came just before MHaye's claim. Yes, according to the wiki: "The Jack of all trades is a Town power role with several one-shot night abilities - typically investigating, protecting, blocking and killing. Once he has used an ability, he cannot use the same ability again. A variation is when The Jack of all trades is aligned with Scum or is a PFK. My doubts aren't related to you having multiple powers, that's to be expected, but the specific powers and the two kills. Given that we already have 3 Town-aligned investigative roles, 2 Town-aligned killing roles and 3 town-aligned protective roles, an additional Cop/Vig combo looks out of place. i'd really prefer to leave it at that so to give the remaining scum something to think about. Town has such an overwhelming numerical superiority that perhaps you can cut me some slack toDay. i will post my full PM Tomorrow if anyone still wants to know. Can you state why you took no action last Night? Was it by choice or a limitation on your power usage? let me try to remember my thoughts of that Day. that's quite far back. 1. i was hoping that Town would lynch scum other than Squink so i could vig her later that Night. so i was trying to find someone else who might have been scum. Moley was my choice for a couple of reasons. first, he voted for Squink only because of Bill's suspicion despite building a case against me. it wasn't so much the case but his not putting a vote to back it. so my vote actually wasn't an OMGUS. second, his role seemed more something scum rather than town would have. based on what i've seen on these boards, i had assumed that scum had their own board and would not need to PM the mod. i really thought he was scum who was bussing Squink. however, later i felt CIAS was scummier so i switched my vote to him. based on one observation made by someone, it seems his role was to sniff out 3rd party players. 2. i see what you mean that i duplicate several roles. 3. i did not use my any power because i couldn't.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 14, 2011 9:30:02 GMT -5
3. i did not use my any power because i couldn't. Hang on a minute...what's this? So, let me get this straight. Night 1 - you did nothing Night 2 - you did nothing Night 3 - you 'investigated' SquinkNight 4 - you killed LightFootNight 5 - you killed CIASNight 6 - you were unable to use your power Is this accurate, or is there something else you haven't yet mentioned? What exactly is the nature of your investigative power? That is, what information are you able to discover? What is it that made you unable to act last Night?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 14, 2011 10:07:14 GMT -5
Night 4, LightFoot was killed, and Suburban was targeted for death, surviving only because I'm a Scotsman. gnarlycharlie has claimed responsibility for LightFoot, which seems reasonable, since I doubt the Scum would kill one of their own. That makes charlie Town or 3rd Party. Night 6, septimus was killed, but Honest Moley tells us that charlie did not communicate with the Mod, which means that 'someone else' killed septimus. So we have either another remaining Scum or another malicious 3rd Party responsible for last Night's kill. So far we have positively identified through death reveals the following 'killing roles': Scum Godfather Scum Politician Scum Watcher Scum Strongman 3rd Party Stalker 3rd Party 'Politician/Mad Bomber' Town Optional Vig And we have claimed 'killing roles': Town one-time Day Vig Town Jack of all Trades (Investigator/Vig) So we either have a 5th Scum, or a 6th non-Scum 'killing role'. I think that the former is far more likely, given that we have had no 'unexplainable' deaths so far in 6 Nights. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean that gnarlycharlie is Town; he could still be a 3rd Party JOAT and a 'threat to Town'. But it does suggest that there is still another Scum to find. Ma'at has been identified my MHaye as "Town or 3rd Party", MHaye and Moley have effectively confirmed each other, gnarlycharlie is explained above, and Suburban has been Mod-confirmed. So the last Scum should be among the set Archangel storyteller guiriArchangel is currently voting for herself, under the theory that her two permanent penalty votes will be a liability at end-game. I don't think this is a Scum ploy. storyteller demonstrated his day Kill ability, which I think suggests he is not Scum, but I could be mistaken. guiri is admittedly non-Town, with no evidence whatsoever to 'prove' he is not actually Scum. I think that given the above reasoning, guiri is the obvious choice. But for some reason, I just don't trust storyteller, and I fear that he's putting one over on all of us. story, you really should take that as a compliment, because I think you're actually capable of pulling off such a thing
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 14, 2011 10:08:06 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Archangel (4,2)*: gnarlycharlie [4], Suburban Plankton [26,30], Archangel [36] guiri (3,4): Honest Moley [9], storyteller [11], Ma'at [18], Archangel [33,36]
With these votes, archangel will be lynched.
Edited because the mod still can't add.
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Post by guiri on Jun 14, 2011 10:44:27 GMT -5
Night 6, septimus was killed, but Honest Moley tells us that charlie did not communicate with the Mod, which means that 'someone else' killed septimus. So we have either another remaining Scum or another malicious 3rd Party responsible for last Night's kill. Maybe. Moley, what would you learn if Gnarly submitted his N6 action before the end of Day 6? Archangel is currently voting for herself, under the theory that her two permanent penalty votes will be a liability at end-game. I don't think this is a Scum ploy. You don't think what's a scum ploy - the self-voting or getting the final votes in the first place? guiri is admittedly non-Town, with no evidence whatsoever to 'prove' he is not actually Scum. Not for the want of trying!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 14, 2011 11:56:47 GMT -5
Night 6, septimus was killed, but Honest Moley tells us that charlie did not communicate with the Mod, which means that 'someone else' killed septimus. So we have either another remaining Scum or another malicious 3rd Party responsible for last Night's kill. Maybe. There are a couple other possibilities. Honest Moley could have received 'bad information', or he could be lying. Both of those explanations have their own problems, however; I think it's more likely at this point that gnarlycharlie did not send any message to the Mod last Night. I must say I hadn't considered the possibility that gnarlycharlie would have a day action with a Night result. Now that I have considered it, I still don't think it's likely. The self-voting specifically, though I don't think getting the final votes was a Scum-ploy, either. I thought it might have been a Scum mistake, but I never thought it was intentional.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 14, 2011 14:58:43 GMT -5
There are a couple other possibilities. Honest Moley could have received 'bad information', or he could be lying. Both of those explanations have their own problems, however; I think it's more likely at this point that gnarlycharlie did not send any message to the Mod last Night. No no no no NO. There are many, many reasons to exonerate GnarlyCharlie from being scum, not least because he's single-handedly responsible for killing one of them. But this is NOT one of those reasons. Let me go through my investigations again (colour to denote alignment of player, not votes, Sis C): Night 1: I investigate Meeko. I get no result. Night 2: I investigate Colby. I get no result (and Colby, coincidentally, gets the chop. I didn't do that!) I start to develop a small bald patch. Night 3: I investigate Lightfoot. I get no result, and start to pull my hair out in clumps. Night 4: I investigate MHaye. I get a sentence of him talking about what happens if Guiri is scum, which I don't need to post because MHaye posted it himself the following day. My hair gets a brief respite, which ends when... Night 5: I investigate Guiri. I get no result. I begin to resemble Richard O'Brien, hirsutically-speaking. Night 6: I investigate Gnarly. I get repetitive brain injury, a brand new wig, and no result. There are two confirmed scum in that list, people, and I doubt both of them ignored their roles for the entire night. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that scum can't use their role-actions by posting on the scum board rather than via PM to the Mod, which is all I can check.Otherwise I agree with Plankton completely about us looking for one more scum. If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. A couple of other points: GnarlyCharlie, not that it makes any difference now, but I didn't make a "case" on you so much as list some things that bothered me and looked suspicious. (Subtle distinction, I know.) I did the same with Lightfoot later on and didn't vote her either. The plain truth is that I wasn't sure of either of you at that point. I was, however, sure of Metallic Squink (and for reasons that had nothing whatsoever to do with BillMC by the way, so please stop saying that I "followed" him just because I happened to mention in my post that he'd been right once before. It was flippin' obvious what Squink was from the moment Meeko flipped scum!) and both of you seemed to fit rather well as a possible partner to that particular suspect. Archangel, stop voting yourself, please. If we lynch you at f4, we lose a lynch. If we lynch you now, we still lose a lynch. I'd prefer to get it right this time out, if that's ok with you. I ignored my better judgement with Rysto because there didn't seem to be any other options at the time, I'm not about to do the same thing with you.
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Post by guiri on Jun 14, 2011 15:38:18 GMT -5
If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. I don't think you answered my question: what result would you receive if Gnarly submitted a Night kill target before Night started?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 14, 2011 15:51:10 GMT -5
If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. I don't think you answered my question: what result would you receive if Gnarly submitted a Night kill target before Night started? I'd get a "confirmed" notification from Sis C in that case. Basically the same as I've had every time I've submitted a night action. You might be able to submit a night action before nightfall, but it wouldn't be confirmed until afterwards.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 14, 2011 15:51:20 GMT -5
Otherwise I agree with Plankton completely about us looking for one more scum. If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. You are overlookig Guiri's point. It is common practice around here for Mods to allow players to submit Night action PMs early - that is, before the Night to which they relate has started. Suppose Gnarly sent his kill order in close to the end of the Day. Would you pick it up, or not? Have you asked? If not, why not? If we leave Archangel alive until the final 4 we lose the game. We cannot allow her to survive that long, even if she is Town, because her two final votes effectively mean that a single threat to Town has to post a vote for Archangel before anyone votes for them and it's game over. If we deal with her Today, there will be one or two more Days to deal with the hunting. Maybe you'll get lucky with the eavesdropping. Unless a threat to Town is clearly identified: - Vote: Archangel Sorry Archangel.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 14, 2011 15:57:24 GMT -5
I don't think you answered my question: what result would you receive if Gnarly submitted a Night kill target before Night started? I'd get a "confirmed" notification from Sis C in that case. Basically the same as I've had every time I've submitted a night action. You might be able to submit a night action before nightfall, but it wouldn't be confirmed until afterwards. What Guiri is asking is this. "If a player were to submit a Night action PM prior to the end of the Day, and you eavesdropped on that player, would you, at the end of the Night, receive a sentence from the action PM sent before the end of Day?" While I'm thinking about it. Sister Coyote, can we have an updated vote count please? My eyes thought one of the votes on Angel didn't count.
Thanks.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 14, 2011 16:19:02 GMT -5
I'd get a "confirmed" notification from Sis C in that case. Basically the same as I've had every time I've submitted a night action. You might be able to submit a night action before nightfall, but it wouldn't be confirmed until afterwards. What Guiri is asking is this. "If a player were to submit a Night action PM prior to the end of the Day, and you eavesdropped on that player, would you, at the end of the Night, receive a sentence from the action PM sent before the end of Day?" While I'm thinking about it. Sister Coyote, can we have an updated vote count please? My eyes thought one of the votes on Angel didn't count.
Thanks. [/color][/quote] Sister Coyote, Sister Coyote, magical mod of mystery and... oaty. [/color](Damn, I knew that rhyme wouldn't work out.) Your humble Eavesdropper asks you this: assuming that a player does not have access to a hidden forum for communication (eg, scum board) - can that player successfully submit a night action during the day before the night in question, via PM to a mod? Or to put it more simply: are night actions accepted during the day?[/b]
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 14, 2011 16:26:32 GMT -5
Otherwise I agree with Plankton completely about us looking for one more scum. If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. You are overlookig Guiri's point. It is common practice around here for Mods to allow players to submit Night action PMs early - that is, before the Night to which they relate has started. Suppose Gnarly sent his kill order in close to the end of the Day. Would you pick it up, or not? Have you asked? If not, why not? If we leave Archangel alive until the final 4 we lose the game. We cannot allow her to survive that long, even if she is Town, because her two final votes effectively mean that a single threat to Town has to post a vote for Archangel before anyone votes for them and it's game over. If we deal with her Today, there will be one or two more Days to deal with the hunting. Maybe you'll get lucky with the eavesdropping. Unless a threat to Town is clearly identified: - Vote: Archangel [/color] Sorry Archangel.[/quote] I won't get lucky with the eavesdropping if there's one scum left. It's ridiculously trivial to avoid being caught out if you don't have to send a mod PM to perform a night action. Seriously, does ANYBODY think Archangel is scum? Given how she's voted and who's been voting for her? MHaye, we lose a round either way, either now or at the end. I'd rather spend what few lynches we have on lynching actual scum suspects. Right now Archangel is lower down on my list than some supposed town power roles. Killing off Archangel now means that you die tonight, and we're no closer to finding scum, plus we've just lost a lynch. Either way, we have one mislynch left, or we're dead. Here's another possibility though. GnarlyCharlie, would you be able to kill Archangel tonight? I hope to God the scum can't roleblock Mhaye or yourself, but that brings us down from eight suspects to five, it solves the Archangel problem, and means that we gain an extra mislynch to boot.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 14, 2011 16:39:53 GMT -5
Otherwise I agree with Plankton completely about us looking for one more scum. If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. You are overlookig Guiri's point. It is common practice around here for Mods to allow players to submit Night action PMs early - that is, before the Night to which they relate has started. Suppose Gnarly sent his kill order in close to the end of the Day. Would you pick it up, or not? Have you asked? If not, why not? If we leave Archangel alive until the final 4 we lose the game. We cannot allow her to survive that long, even if she is Town, because her two final votes effectively mean that a single threat to Town has to post a vote for Archangel before anyone votes for them and it's game over. If we deal with her Today, there will be one or two more Days to deal with the hunting. Maybe you'll get lucky with the eavesdropping. Unless a threat to Town is clearly identified: - Vote: Archangel [/color] Sorry Archangel.[/quote] Actually that would work. Eight people left. Day Seven: we lynch Guiri. Night Seven: if GnarlyCharlie is able to kill Archangel, he does so. Sorry, Archangel, but your sacrifice would not be in vain. Scum kills somebody (probably MHaye, but it could also be GnarlyCharlie. Which is why MHaye spends the night investigating a direct TOWN claim by either Gnarly or Storyteller. That way, if scum decides to switch, we still get extra information.) Five people left. Day Eight: we lynch Storyteller. (Sorry Story. But you totally deserve it for all the "lynch Moley" suggestions earlier. ;D) Night Eight: assuming the game hasn't ended by then, me, Ma'at or Plankton are toast. That leaves three people left, TWO OF WHOM WILL BE CONFIRMED TOWN OR NON-MALEVOLENT THIRD-PARTY. Day Nine: we lynch whoever's left ( GnarlyCharlie, presumably). So unless someone who seems confirmed really isn't, it's a guaranteed win. Which obviously depends on GnarlyCharlie killing off Archangel tonight, even if she's town. Boy, this is a weird game. Success depends on night-killing someone who I believe is town...
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Post by Archangel on Jun 14, 2011 17:26:56 GMT -5
Otherwise I agree with Plankton completely about us looking for one more scum. If GnarlyCharlie is PFK then he's not responsible for the kill last night, so I feel safe ruling him out in that respect. You are overlookig Guiri's point. It is common practice around here for Mods to allow players to submit Night action PMs early - that is, before the Night to which they relate has started. Suppose Gnarly sent his kill order in close to the end of the Day. Would you pick it up, or not? Have you asked? If not, why not? If we leave Archangel alive until the final 4 we lose the game. We cannot allow her to survive that long, even if she is Town, because her two final votes effectively mean that a single threat to Town has to post a vote for Archangel before anyone votes for them and it's game over. If we deal with her Today, there will be one or two more Days to deal with the hunting. Maybe you'll get lucky with the eavesdropping. Unless a threat to Town is clearly identified: - Vote: Archangel {Bleached} Sorry Archangel. No, I'm the one who's sorry. It was a boneheaded move and I'm the one who put myself in this position. Moley, MHaye is right. I have to be out of the way unless we definitively catch scum today. I would like everyone who does vote for me, though, to state who they would vote for if they were not voting for me, to avoid having a waste of voting records. I'd be voting Storyteller or GnarlyCharlie. I'm not sure which yet but I'll post when I decide.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 14, 2011 17:31:24 GMT -5
NETA: I mean, I have to be lynched to get out of the way, unless we definitively catch scum today, in which case that should take precedence.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 14, 2011 17:34:28 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Archangel (5,2)*: gnarlycharlie [4], Suburban Plankton [26,30], Archangel [36], Merestil Haye [52] guiri (3,4): Honest Moley [9], storyteller [11], Ma'at [18], Archangel [33,36]
With these votes, archangel will be lynched.
The Mod's standard for All Games is to allow Early Submission of Role Actions (within reason), and also to allow the Changing of Minds up until PM Deadline.
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