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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 17, 2011 20:01:22 GMT -5
Final Vote Count: guiri (5,5): Honest Moley [9,69,82,99,100], storyteller [11], Ma'at [18], Archangel [33,36,108], Suburban Plankton [83] Archangel (4,2)*: gnarlycharlie [4,70], Suburban Plankton [26,30], Archangel [36,68], Merestil Haye [52], guiri [106] gnarlycharlie (0,3): guiri [66,106], Archangel [68,108], Honest Moley [99,100]Merestil Haye (1,1): gnarlycharlie [95] Lastly, she pictured to herself how this same little sister of hers would, in the after-time, be herself a grown woman; and how she would keep, through all her riper years, the simple and loving heart of her childhood: and how she would gather about her other little children, and make THEIR eyes bright and eager with many a strange tale, perhaps even with the dream of Wonderland of long ago: and how she would feel with all their simple sorrows, and find a pleasure in all their simple joys, remembering her own child-life, and the happy summer days.guiri, the Eight of Hearts, Vanilla Scum has been killed. Town Wins!Bill Mc, Mary Ann, Killed Alice and took her place, thereby winning (and becoming Town), on Night TwoScum BoardSetup/Spoiled DiscussionGreat game, everyone! I really, really hope y'all had fun.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 17, 2011 20:12:57 GMT -5
WOOHOO! nice one Town. for the record, i was about to post this: i think this will answer most, if not all, of everyone's questions. i would like to point out that the PM states that i give a separate PM during the Day and during the Night. I do have a couple more questions: So on Day 3 you stole Ed's power, Day 4 Dirx', and Day 5 LightFoot's; is that correct? What if anything did you do on Day 2? Day 6 you would have had the choice to steal from Ginger, Bill, or CIAS. Ginger and CIAS had no powers; did you attempt to steal from Bill, and if so, what was the result? Your PM talks exclusively about stealing from the deceased from Night Kills. Are you also capable of stealing from those players lynched or otherwise Day killed? 1. nothing on D2. 2. yes to Ed, Dirx and Lightfoot. 3. i did not attempt to steal from Bill. what i understood to be his power, to kill Alice, was useless. 4. i believe i can still take ANY deceased player's power, except maybe Story's power. lynch Story and let me find out. We successfully lynched Scum ( Meeko) on Day 3. Then on Day 4, at a point where the vote was Archangel-4, Metallic Squink-3, MHaye made his claim and announced that Squink was a liar, directly leading to her lynch that Day. So you're saying that directly off the heels of having one Scum lynched, he decided to throw a second Scum under the bus, instead of keeping quiet and hoping that the Archangel bandwagon kept rolling? It's not like Squink was beyond saving at that point. certainly possible. otherwise we would have long lynched Story for taking out Bill with the same reasoning.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 17, 2011 20:15:59 GMT -5
Great game, everyone! I really, really hope y'all had fun. nice one too, Bill! thanks SisC!!!! great theme, great color, great game. i love the effort you put in.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 17, 2011 20:17:12 GMT -5
This was one of the most fun games I've ever played, SisC. Thank you!
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 17, 2011 20:24:08 GMT -5
WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Damn me, I even said that if he was scum, he would be vanilla. ;D I think you were done in by your team getting killed off so early, Guiri; if there were five scum, there really was only one possibility left after Rysto flipped town and MHaye cleared Ma'at. (Which I should've done much earlier on by the way - a classic case of "confirmation bias" there, I missed Ma'at's early vote on Ginger. That was a big miss!)
Guiri, you played magnificently, I have to say. Even with practically everyone else cleared, and me being pretty sure there would be five scum, I still wasn't sure which way you'd flip. If MHaye hadn't investigated you when he did, I think you might very well have lasted a lot longer.
Sis C, it was a ridiculously fun game, although I wish you'd have used some of my night-stuff for when I wasn't able to talk. ;D Having said that, I never want to be in any game where there's a lie-detector, eavesdropper, or politician. (This is my first time for all three). Votes and mod PMs are sacred, and as for the Lie Detector role... well, it's just an excuse to get people jumping through as many hoops as possible!
Game MVPs... BillMC, definitely. Also kudos to GnarleyCharlie for taking out a scum single-handed. That was a pretty brave decision right there. MHaye played his role perfectly - ok, Squink was pretty obvious after Meeko left, but I would never have thought to investigate Guiri. And Archangel I think was under-rated throughout this game, especially early on, because she was under so much suspicion but was actually right about a lot of stuff. Well-played.
Lessons I have learnt:
- There's a fine balance between correctly pinning a scummy player (Squink), and overdoing it (Ma'at).
- I should trust my judgement over role-actions (seems I have to re-learn this one every single damn game). I had Meeko pinned to the wall during Night One, and outright said he was scum to Sis C in a PM. But when I didn't see any night actions from him, I thought I had to be wrong. And the worst thing was, I came close to repeating the same mistake with Lightfoot even as I was saying I wouldn't!
And most importantly, a lesson I think we could ALL learn something from:
- If X assigns a monumental and possibly fatal significance to anybody saying Y's name, and in doing so says that name herself twice, it should be taken as a clue that X is probably lying her arse off!
Good game all!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 17, 2011 20:38:50 GMT -5
This was one of the most fun games I've ever played, SisC. Thank you! ;D
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Post by Archangel on Jun 17, 2011 20:40:59 GMT -5
In general, I'm useless as town. (My scum suspects were Storyteller for killing Bill, Charlie for a claim that didn't make sense-- more about this later-- and Guiri only in third place, as "not town.") The one area where I have ability is determining people who are being scapegoated by scum, which is why I defended Septimus so stringently. Out of curiosity, I'd like to know why many people thought I was the doctor. I was strictly playing the odds-- Bill is the best scum catcher out there (and I've played scum with him before and he wasn't playiing the way he plays scum). But, when I read Charlie's claim (surreptitiously, on my phone at work) I believed him, because Ed made this claim as scum and a whole bunch of people reacted by saying "oh, that would be a cool role!" I would have changed my vote then, and I would have changed it to Guiri (as "not town," he was safe), but I can't post in color from my phone. Nevertheless, he was the person I was least suspicious of out of the three. Well played, Guiri.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 17, 2011 20:43:15 GMT -5
NETA: I mean STRIDENTLY.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 17, 2011 20:46:34 GMT -5
Oh. Now I get it. Y'all thought I was the doctor because of the comment about the night where there was no NK. If I were the doctor and protected Bill and there were no NK, I'd know he was town.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 17, 2011 21:12:08 GMT -5
Good game all! I bow to you Guiri!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 17, 2011 22:05:16 GMT -5
I have to admit, guiri, your play was pretty awesome, and that PM was inspired. And yes, I do have vague ideas for a "Through the Looking Glass" follow up, but...not for quite a while yet.
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Post by septimus on Jun 18, 2011 5:34:23 GMT -5
Congratulations to Town for victory! Congratulations to Bill for awesome scum hunting, and to Guiri for incredible scumplay. I really think the two of you need new careers: Bill as CIA recruiter, Guiri as a stage actor (or criminal mastermind ). Special congratulations to Sister Coyote for a great game, by far the best Mafia game I've played yet. A big razzberry to myself. Give me credit for one thing: I didn't self-protect last Night even though I figured Scum would target me, because I figured I was a liability to Town. In fact, I'd already decided to try to Lynch storyteller, had I lived. (Sorry, story. )
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Post by guiri on Jun 18, 2011 8:11:09 GMT -5
Congrats to Town and Bill, well played!
@ Sister, I had a lot of fun, thanks. I'm sorry for dragging the game on despite having no hope of winning, I owed it to my team to fight till the end. Last Night I intended to stay up to switch my vote at the last minute but I was too tired after my travels...
@ Meeko, yeah, bussing you didn't work out, I'm sorry you were so upset.
@ my fellow scum, not being able to talk during the Day certainly hurt but we were up against an amazing array of players and powers (2 killing roles, 3 investigative roles, 3 protective roles, a back-up Doc, a JOAT, and an unkillable 3rd party!). Even though we NK'd the Cop and Vig early on, we were still unlucky between the N1 no-kill, Metallic being investigated N1 and N3, targetting the scotsman, Lightfoot being vigged and me being investigated N4, and no sample VT PM (with formatting) available before the mass claim D5!
BTW, how did CIAS die? Lightfoot didn't have a kill of his own so whose power did Gnarly use?
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Post by Archangel on Jun 18, 2011 8:58:27 GMT -5
Bill, it looks like you've found your own special niche for staying alive for a decent amount of time. Instead of town, you have to be third party who converts to town.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 18, 2011 10:07:10 GMT -5
BTW, how did CIAS die? Lightfoot didn't have a kill of his own so whose power did Gnarly use? i used Lightfoot's ability. it didn't matter if it was used or not. i could use practically any power once.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 18, 2011 10:08:18 GMT -5
One conclusion that came out of a semi-recent game was that, if a Town player has a one shot mass roleblock, it is correct for them to use it on Night 1.
That is even more true for a power that blocks kills but leaves other roles unaffected. By using it, you stunt the development of the Mafia's gameplan. It also adversely affects serial killers, while ameliorating the problems caused by Townie Vigs.
So congratulations to Colby11 for an action that, although motivated primarily by the desire to see Day 2, caused his sides enemies to stumble.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 18, 2011 10:12:49 GMT -5
BTW, how did CIAS die? Lightfoot didn't have a kill of his own so whose power did Gnarly use? i used Lightfoot's ability. it didn't matter if it was used or not. i could use practically any power once. I think Guiri's meaning is that Lightfoot didn't have a killing power per se; he had the power to ensure the Mafia kill went through blocks. I'm not sure Sister C thought of it that way, but I do.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 18, 2011 10:52:48 GMT -5
i used Lightfoot's ability. it didn't matter if it was used or not. i could use practically any power once. I think Guiri's meaning is that Lightfoot didn't have a killing power per se; he had the power to ensure the Mafia kill went through blocks. I'm not sure Sister C thought of it that way, but I do. in SisC's version, it allowed Lightfoot to kill protected players or scotsmen. good point about Colby's move. nice one, Colby. great game too , Bill.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 18, 2011 11:35:52 GMT -5
Lightfoot had her own kill, it just couldn't be used at the same time as the Scum kill, is how I thought of it.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2011 12:59:08 GMT -5
It was a good game, loved the colour.
Guiri remained firmly in my "unknown" list till my demise - you are damn good at being scum.
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Post by special on Jun 18, 2011 13:11:59 GMT -5
great game Sister. I enjoyed watching most of it spoiled thanks to the Scum. And well played by everyone. I really did enjoy following along. Usually, after I'm killed, I rapidly lose interest in a game. Not this time.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jun 18, 2011 13:21:07 GMT -5
One conclusion that came out of a semi-recent game was that, if a Town player has a one shot mass roleblock, it is correct for them to use it on Night 1. Generally yes. But there are exceptions. Me using my mass-block in Arkham on Night 2 ended up setting in motion a chain of events that allowed town to win it. Granted, I chalk that up to nothing more than dumb luck rather than any particular insight on my part, but had Rysto's Harley Quinn Investigator been recruited by Santo's Joker Day Serial Killer that night (For those who aren't familiar with the game, Harley was town-aligned alignment detective with an unknown negative: Upon investigating Joker, Harley would defect to him and they'd form a SK/Detective PFK team), we never would have had some key investigations come out. Of course, never mind the fact that I blocked Rysto night 1 as well. (After being spoiled, I developed my dislike of overeager role-blockers. Mainly because I was one in the first game I ever played.)
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Post by LightFoot on Jun 18, 2011 13:48:20 GMT -5
FUn watching after my demise as well. guiri you lasted longer than I thought you were going to. The times I glared at the computer screen and said WTF
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 18, 2011 18:30:38 GMT -5
Congratulations Town! I was personally almost completely useless, but I'll gladly ride everyone else's coattails guiri, you played a fantastic game. I never really had you pegged as Scum; it was more the case that everyone else was cleared on some fashion, so you had to be Scum by process of elimination. SisC, this was one of the best games I've played yet. It was a blast right to the very end. Thank you!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 18, 2011 21:10:33 GMT -5
SisC, this was one of the best games I've played yet. It was a blast right to the very end. Thank you! You're welcome, and all y'all keep making me blush with your praise.
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 19, 2011 11:32:35 GMT -5
First off, thanks Sister Coyote for the awesomely fun game
Second off, thanks everyone for the praise for me using the night block ability that I had. I figured that the first chance that I had, I should use it, so that it wouldn't go to waste... Sad that I died, but at least I helped everyone out in the end
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 19, 2011 12:20:39 GMT -5
One conclusion that came out of a semi-recent game was that, if a Town player has a one shot mass roleblock, it is correct for them to use it on Night 1. That is even more true for a power that blocks kills but leaves other roles unaffected. By using it, you stunt the development of the Mafia's gameplan. It also adversely affects serial killers, while ameliorating the problems caused by Townie Vigs. So congratulations to Colby11 for an action that, although motivated primarily by the desire to see Day 2, caused his sides enemies to stumble. I think that using the NK block in my case was the right thing to do, because of the fact that none of us knew what we were doing, plus we would of lost at least 1 town, so I figured that the best thing to do was to block everything...
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 19, 2011 12:23:21 GMT -5
Guiri- you played awesomely!
Moley, I hope that the role you had is retired and never used again.
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Post by Renata on Jun 20, 2011 20:17:31 GMT -5
I had a lot of fun watching along with this one. It was a creative setup, with some superb play on both (all?) sides. Very entertaining.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 22, 2011 19:36:20 GMT -5
Guiri- you played awesomely! Moley, I hope that the role you had is retired and never used again. Hehe, I hope that you are right about my role and half the other roles in the game. Was still a lot of fun to be part of the craziness though!
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