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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 12:36:13 GMT -5
<oog> Idle Thoughts - Grow up. </oog> So I need to grow up for being mad and upset at a mix up that is unfair to both me and Town?
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 15, 2007 12:51:14 GMT -5
<oog> Idle Thoughts - Grow up. </oog> So I need to grow up for being mad and upset at a mix up that is unfair to both me and Town? Idle, they don't know anything about that yet. But now they will. Due to a spectacular convergence of missing PM's an early end of Day and a miscommunication between Mods...Idle was killed by mistake. He blocked himself last Night, he should be alive. SO, we are putting him back in the game. For all the scum out there who are about to go for our heads because he is now 100% mod confirmed 2 things: 1) Idle will not have his full Doc powers, seems Simon was badly injured by his near death experience and he just isn't the doctor he once was. He only protects 50% of the time. 2) You got Dio as a freebie. I think that this is a solution that preserves the balance of the game and is more or less fair to everyone. Kat and I would like to apologize for the mistake, we are human, we will try to do better in the future. Thanks all, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Day, already in progress.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 12:54:28 GMT -5
Thank you, mods.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 13:06:41 GMT -5
Wooohoo! We got our Doc back!
Errrr...no hard feelings about the whole "trying to kill you" thing?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 13:11:30 GMT -5
Hahaha
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 13:17:41 GMT -5
Well I, for one, am quite pleased about the way things have turned out.
--Idle's townliness is no longer in question. If I'd never made the attempt on his life, he'd have very likely be lynched tonight. Now he's basically unlynchable and can just keep himself protected overnight. --I no longer have a power that I clearly cannot be trusted with. --The source of that power and its effects on other nighttime death tolls can be debated.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 15, 2007 13:17:47 GMT -5
<oog> Idle Thoughts - Grow up. </oog> So I need to grow up for being mad and upset at a mix up that is unfair to both me and Town? In a word - Yes. You don't have to respond to quotes like that, but you did. Yes, you probably are better player than some of the other players out there. However, a better man will not rub other people's noses in it or start boasting. Learn to win gracefully and lose with dignity. Especially remember point #1. IT IS ONLY A GAME and should be treated as such. And please remember that there are a lot of people playing this game for fun, not just yourself. Ok, enough moralising, back to the game. NAF/Kat - Thank you for the update. Hopefully we can now continue as usual. So Idle Thoughts, you're looking really scummy, why shouldn't we lynch you ;D
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 13:22:06 GMT -5
Well, good a time as any (and yeah, I got permission for this--I actually got permission for it last Night, before this mix-up even happened so had I lived through the Night still as an unknown, I would have had this to use for my defense) to say that I'm the one that Dio PMed that Night. He PMed me with my name "Dr Tam, I presume?"
At the time, I was leery of this. For a few reasons. 1. Because I was aware that nobody should be PMing anyone in this game about things in this game, and 2. That he was doing so gave me a vibe that he was trying to get confimration from me to see if he was right. This struck me as shady. I didn't know what to think, to be honest...but that's all moot since I PMed NAF and Kat telling them what happened. Dio did too, not too long after, realizing he might have made a mistake. In his defense, I don't think he knew he wasn't allowed to since it was said somewhere that players may PM each other as long as they don't quote role PMs?
Anyway, back to the story. So I made a post in the short lived Day Four that I was going to point out to all of you (again, on this Day, had I lived and not had my name/role/side told) that I feel would have gotten some of the heat off of me. It is post number 32 in that topic (Day Four). Note how I said in that post "So you're told the actions AND names of the people?"
Nobody seemed to catch it. I put it out there but nobody seemed to see it and think "why would IT assume this?" For that I'm not sure if I am lucky or unlucky or what but at the time I was certainly confused since I knew I was that power role he had found the Night before (Night Three) and I now KNEW he knew my name. Hence, my question asking him if he's told the names.
But anyway, I guess that's all pointless now. Maybe it would have gotten some of the heat that was on me off come toDay had I lived and I wouldn't have had to role claim, but we'll never know.
Still, there's that info for you that explains Dio's mod kill.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 13:22:38 GMT -5
Now he's basically unlynchable and can just keep himself protected overnight. Whoops -- not as good a situation as I thought. I just reread NAF's post and noticed the "now only have 50% protection" bit. Crap.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 13:24:07 GMT -5
So I need to grow up for being mad and upset at a mix up that is unfair to both me and Town? In a word - Yes. You don't have to respond to quotes like that, but you did. Yeah, I know. I couldn't help it based on what I was feeling and still feel, although it's waned some. I'll make a topic in meta gaming about it later. I still need to catch up on this Day from the beginning, but first I'm having dinner. But I'll say it in that topic and I'll say it here too.... dnooman, I'm sorry. Very.
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Post by Blaster Master on Oct 15, 2007 13:31:48 GMT -5
Due to a spectacular convergence of missing PM's an early end of Day and a miscommunication 'twixt Mods...Idle was killed by mistake. He blocked himself last Night, he should be alive. SO, we are putting him back in the game. How poetically ironic. In M3 you're accidently saved, in Firefly, you're accidently killed. Indeed, the universe doth balance itself in time.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 15, 2007 13:46:10 GMT -5
So Idle turned out to be only partly dead. And he can now go on the 100% Confirmed Town list. (Poor guy, so scummy he ended up being investigated AND vigged!)
= Updated Claims List =
- Full Claims - CatinaSuit: Wash (Vanilla) Dnooman: Sherriff Bourne (Vanilla) Mad the Swine: Hector Sanchez (Mason) Roosh: Inara Serra (50% Bomb) whatthefrak: Zoe (50% Bodyguard) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies: Fanty (Mingo-specific vigilante) Idle Thoughts: Simon Tam (Mod-Confirmed, 50% Doc)
- Claimed Crew - sinjin/nesta (also claimed some sort of power) hockeymonkey (also investigated by Diomedes as sleeping on Night 3) mhaye
- Others of Note - panamajack (claimed to be attacked Night 2) Yattara/zeriel (investigated by Diomedes as sleeping on Night 2) The Easter Bunny (Hal Briston's mysterious Night 1 visitor) Hal Briston (claimed one-shot vig, used on Idle Thoughts)
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 14:57:59 GMT -5
Wow, why so down? We got two scumbags, after all, and our chances of lynching scum are higher. This keeps jumping back at me -- did you mean "We got one scumbag", or am I missing something? By my count, drain is the only scum we've caught so far.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 15, 2007 15:00:05 GMT -5
Wow, why so down? We got two scumbags, after all, and our chances of lynching scum are higher. This keeps jumping back at me -- did you mean "We got one scumbag", or am I missing something? By my count, drain is the only scum we've caught so far. I thought the same thing, until I realized she was including Greedy Smurf as well.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 15, 2007 15:02:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Greedy Smurf is dead. By whose hand is still unknown, but a dead scum is a dead scum.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 15:08:50 GMT -5
Ahh, gotcha -- I didn't realize he was falling under the heading of "scum". I was classifying him as "other" on my spreadsheet, hence the confusion. Okiee then. Carry on.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 15, 2007 16:30:42 GMT -5
Most of these nightkills are probably the result of well-meaning, albeit misguided, crew. This is the only thing i disagree with. My feeling is that Scum might be getting 2 night kills or something perhaps to that effect. Because BOTH Storyteller and Blam were killed together. This to me... feels like more than a coincidence, that 2 different groups would target 2 people QUITE linked to one another for death upon the same night, without accidentally picking the other one. Like... if ST died, and then Blam died, or something like that, I'd toss it off. But the fact that they both died together... makes me wonder. Because someone had to pick then one of the two, and someone on another group had to pick one of the two, and each of the scum groups had to arrive at a different consensus and each picked the opposite person than that of the other group. To me it seems too complicated. I want to Occam's it and just say that they were both killed together perhaps by 1 group that has perhaps 2 killing abilities now? Like maybe this "one shot vig" Easter bunny gave one kill to a Scummy person as well? and thusly we arrived at this state of things? If so, I'd HIGHLY hope the Easter Bunny stop just handing out killing tools like candy. Or at least give them to the Confirmed guy now.... Btw, Welcome back Idle, I had a feeling you were either on my side or really sycophantic scum. Glad to know fer sure. Bad Pedantic Gangster Thug Baby! Guns are bad, mmkay?
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 16:56:42 GMT -5
Bad Pedantic Gangster Thug Baby! Guns are bad, mmkay?
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 15, 2007 17:14:35 GMT -5
Like maybe this "one shot vig" Easter bunny gave one kill to a Scummy person as well? and thusly we arrived at this state of things? Ouch...never considered that before. Yeah, giving the scum what would be tantamount to a bonus nightkill would be a very bad thing indeed, and it would explain quite a lot.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 15, 2007 17:25:54 GMT -5
BTW, Idle, would you be willing to confirm or deny that you protected someone on Night Three? I think it'd be helpful to know whether the singular death on Night Three was a result of a Doc protection or not.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 17:44:16 GMT -5
Yes, you probably are better player than some of the other players out there. However, a better man will not rub other people's noses in it or start boasting. And just how was I doing that, huh? People were saying "He knew exactly what DB was. He must have perfect knowledge". I didn't have it and you all know that now. So what could I have said then? Obviously people were wrong in thinking "Nobody could ever be that good to get everythign right"...so what I did was give examples of times I've done this in past games. It wasn't boasting. It was TRYING TO DISPELL heat against me that claimed I had perfect knowledge when I didn't. Anyway, back now and caught up, mostly. Well, to this post.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 17:46:56 GMT -5
Btw, Welcome back Idle, I had a feeling you were either on my side or really sycophantic scum. Glad to know fer sure. Snipped. Thanks. This mean that you and dnooman won't find me suspicious anymore when I namedrop your names for people I feel are Town? : p
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 15, 2007 17:53:14 GMT -5
BTW, Idle, would you be willing to confirm or deny that you protected someone on Night Three? I think it'd be helpful to know whether the singular death on Night Three was a result of a Doc protection or not. I protected storyteller that Night because, while it was Night Three technically, it was only the second Night with scum killing someone. And since I felt story was Town (yes, that early I felt it), I figured the scum would try to kill him off on the "second Night" since it seems to be tradition to kill him off on second Night of scum killings. Another reason I found Dio so suspicious: I never once protected him at Night (being as I didn't believe him fully). Yet he kept surviving the Nights. I found this suspicious in itself that, if he was what he says was, why the scum weren't trying for him.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 15, 2007 19:54:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. I couldn't help it based on what I was feeling and still feel, although it's waned some. I'll make a topic in meta gaming about it later. I still need to catch up on this Day from the beginning, but first I'm having dinner. But I'll say it in that topic and I'll say it here too.... dnooman, I'm sorry. Very. Water under the bridge man. Sorry if I was the salt in your wound. Man, I'm starting to feel like Towlie here. I have no idea what's going on. Has there ever been a more confusing game of Doper mafia?
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Post by dnooman on Oct 15, 2007 19:59:12 GMT -5
Btw, Welcome back Idle, I had a feeling you were either on my side or really sycophantic scum. Glad to know fer sure. Snipped. Thanks. This mean that you and dnooman won't find me suspicious anymore when I namedrop your names for people I feel are Town? : p Anyone who has risen from the dead gets carte blanche IMO. You should change your title to Lazarus. ;D
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Post by dnooman on Oct 15, 2007 20:08:57 GMT -5
Dnoo, why don't you look at the people I'm questioning. What are YOUR thoughts upon those figures? Well, I don't have much at all. I agree that Pygmy's predeliction to hammering could be a bold scum move that could be explained away with "we NEED a hammer else we don't lynch". While this is true, it's odd that one person has taken it upon themselves to do the deed so many times. Mhayes lack of voting has me feeling uneasy as well. I'm most worried about Zeriel and Captain Klutz though. I wouldn't accuse either of lurking, but I sometimes forget they're playing, no read at all on them. That could all be me though.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2007 21:09:06 GMT -5
I am back...catching up now
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2007 22:12:35 GMT -5
Jesus H. Christ I'm gone two part days and two full days, and I come back to what reads like the lovechild screenplay of Nora Ephron (Sleepless in Seattle, You've Got Mail) and M. Night Shyamalan, what with all of the tears, the laughter, the sudden, shocking, and viscerally jolting plot twists. I need to read things over a couple more times, I think, but I can offer some day late and a dollar short hindsight. If I had at least described my hair-brained scheme involving Dio a few days ago, maybe he would've realized that PMs between players were a no-no, as that was one of the (many, many) places where the idea fell apart (it would've required PMs between players...I know...dumb idea...which is why it didn't get farther than between my ears, where I thought it would do less damage) but now I see its public discussion and dismissal as a way of possibly preventing at least some of the carnage that has befallen us (and Dio, specifically). While I can now scratch multiple people off of my "Possibly Mingo" list, that's because they're dead and had nothing to do with me utilizing my power last Night. The Mods have decreed that written somewhere in the fine print is a statement of "must be present in order for any target feeling-up to occur".
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 15, 2007 22:49:41 GMT -5
well. I wanna get things started, so I'll vote for someone on my scum list: Vote PygmyRunner
I think it's personally a very bold scum move the way it allows you to bypass most suspicion by ALWAYS voting with the Majority at the end, and always adding a late vote in that wouldn't "look like scum piling on" if you consistently do it. Also, yes, I know you said you offered to do it, but why not just vote for the guy when you FIND him suspicious? I disliked the double Hammer, but now the Triple Hammering just takes the cake....
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Post by Parzival on Oct 15, 2007 22:57:35 GMT -5
What a crazy night. RIP, BlaM and Story.
You know, even before I read Hal's explanation I was kind of thinking there was a fair shot Idle had been vigged.
So it looks like story and/or Blaster getting scum-killed is a switch from the previous 'squeaky clean' pattern someone mentioned before.
If Hal's mention of 'collective vigging' by granting powers is the case, I hope that anyone else who is town and used this power will come forward. I sincerely hope that it wasn't offered to any scum either (note that Hal is not necessarily cleared just because he had the power).
I'm inclined to believe that the Vigilante-cum-Easter-Bunny (I'll call him Frank) has the option to either grant a kill, or perform it themselves. I think that function of the role makes some sense given the existence of a scum roleblocker, and would also work to explain what has happened :
N1: Frank visits Hal, no kills N2: Diggit killed, Greedy killed [Alliance/Frank?], PJ attacked (by Frank/Greedy)? N3: zeriel killed, Frank visits someone else N4: FCoD, atarus killed (by Frank/his second apprentice?) N5: story, BLaM, Idle killed (one by Hal)
Of course, this sequence can also be explained without any of that, given that we have one or two protective roles as well. But it is useful to know this - thanks, Hal (even if you did guess wrong — but the way Idle looked it's easy to see why you did it.) Luckily the price was not so steep as it could have been.
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