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Post by Parzival on Oct 15, 2007 23:14:21 GMT -5
More on the attack on me.
I really haven't held anything back about it : Someone tried to kill me Night 2 (the first Night of kills). I fought them off. I have no power that would make me resistant to kills, and I am quite sure they intended to kill me, not just scare me.
Based on the role of whatthefrak he guarded Mad that night, IIRC*, and from what Dio said, the Doctor works actively. So I don't think I had a Guardian Angel that prevented the attack; I think it was a plain miss.
If wtf is lying, then it doesn't really matter; either way he wasn't protecting me.
The Alliance missing in this fashion makes little sense. I'm therefore inclined to believe that the person who attacked me was either Greedy, Frank, or yet another killing power (in which case the vig grant to Hal is likely a one-shot deal).
Before Hal explained things, I was thinking that since no one else has mentioned being attacked, that it may have been a power exclusive to Greedy. That, or the killer hasn't missed since then. Night 3 could have been a blocked kill, not a miss, or a miss against scum (who will naturally not share any information).
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Post by Captain Klutz on Oct 16, 2007 7:35:14 GMT -5
I'm most worried about Zeriel and Captain Klutz though. I wouldn't accuse either of lurking, but I sometimes forget they're playing, no read at all on them. That could all be me though. Yes, my posting has been a bit erratic, tending to be in clumps with long gaps in the interim. I don't post much to the Night threads, which may be contributing to my not being very visible.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 16, 2007 9:10:33 GMT -5
I've got substantially the same problem as Klutz, with the side effect that I'm trying to cogitate on all the recent twists today and yesterday, and not really getting anywhere.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 9:36:05 GMT -5
Seems I had more to read than I thought, what with the non-fluffy chatter in last Night and all. Thanks for the heads up on that by the way. Just kiddin... As your collective penance, you will all now be subject to my link of Yosemite pictures. Has the mass-roleclaim conversation fizzled completely? Or is it bound to bubble back up again? I'm decidedly ambivalent yet dubious about the repercussions, but we're in a pickle, so maybe we do need to think outside of the box. At this point, imho, the chances seem about even as to the probability of hitting scum in either the claimed or unclaimed pools that remain. The only difference being, if we go back and put pressure on the already-claimed, what exactly are we expecting to get out of any of them? Any of the townies in The Claimed pool don't have any other information to give up, unless they've been withholding information. While I understand the hesitation for wtf to share his Bodyguard targets, doesn't that basically imply that we are choosing to leave The Claimed alone and concentrate on rooting scum out of The Unclaimed? I know, I'm asking a lot of questions. I'm still trying to catch up and get back into the flow.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 12:04:33 GMT -5
*sniffs her pits* I have luxuriated in a long hot shower to scrub off the tent grime and the smell of campfire, so I can't single-handedly be responsible for how quiet it is in here...
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 12:18:00 GMT -5
I think we're all just kind of in shock the way the past cycle and a half or so has gone down. A couple of my suspicions have been blown out of the water, and I don't really know who I find most scummy right now.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 16, 2007 12:43:41 GMT -5
Ok, Hijacked from dotchan's list. = Updated Claims List = - Full Claims - CatinaSuit: Wash (Vanilla) Dnooman: Sherriff Bourne (Vanilla) Mad the Swine: Hector Sanchez (Mason) Roosh: Inara Serra (50% Bomb) whatthefrak: Zoe (50% Bodyguard) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies: Fanty (Mingo-specific vigilante) Idle Thoughts: Simon Tam (Mod-Confirmed, 50% Doc) - Claimed Crew - nesta (replaces sinjin) (also claimed some sort of power) mhaye - Others of Note - panamajack (claimed to be attacked Night 2) Hal Briston (claimed one-shot vig, used on Idle Thoughts)[/quote] No Claim Captain Klutz dotchanV2 (replaces CaerieD) mtgman Pygmy Rugger Zeriel v.2 (replaces Yattara) Well I reckon we have approx 5 scum out of the remaining 16 which is not good odds. A few questions for people. Hal Briston : Is there any reason why your night visitor was could not be scum instead of town? dotchan: Where did sinjin/nesta claim some sort of power. My thinking on the current remaining players Likely scumpanamajack nesta mhaye mtgman Unlikely ScumPygmy Rugger dotchan Captain Klutz Zeriel Hal Briston Likely CrewCookies Roosh MadTheSwine Dnooman Whatthefrak Known CrewCatinASuit (I am to me ) Idle Thoughts Yes, I have changed my mind on Cookies. I am going to be looking back over my 4 main suspects to work out which one looks scummiest. Idle Thoughts: Time to turn that brain of yours loose and locate us some scum. You got drainbead right, here's hoping you can find us another.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 13:01:13 GMT -5
<snip> Hal Briston : Is there any reason why your night visitor was could not be scum instead of town?<snip> To elaborate on this point, which I think has already been mentioned ( Roosh?), but, is there any mechanism that's keeping the Easter Bunny from handing out kills to scum? I agree that it's a huge coincidence that BlaM and story died on the same night. I've been thinking it might be in the town's best interest for said Easter Bunny to expose themselves*, if they feel information about their role may be helpful. But, then again, as CatinaSuit brings up, if they're scum, they wouldn't have the town's best interest at heart. *Not like that, sickos!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2007 13:09:39 GMT -5
I have bad news, then, for you CIAS. Of all the remaining people, my top two suspects are all of tied for my number one "I think/feel they are the most suspicious" spot. You, yourself, are one of them. The other is someone who you've seemed to convienently leave off your list above, HockeyMonkey. Both of you I've had major suspicions of for awhile now and have made no secret of it. Even after you claimed Wash I expressed misgivngs (and they can be found in the many past Days of game). Really, you're both about equal in my mind suspicion-wise. Hockey for the loads of things I've said numerous times in the past and you for roughly the same things....but with the added bonus of: I find it odd that a character such as Wash wouldn't have a power role of some kind. From what I gather he seems to be a fairly major character in the FF world. Mind you, I'm not familiar with it but playing this game, I learn more and more. Thus far it seems that all the vanilla crew found so far (like Ui being badger and FCoD being a made up name and so forth and so on) are sort of bit players in the FF world. But Wash is a main character, isn't he? And a crew member (on the show). Yet you have no powers? I dunno...but I'm very suspicious of that. It's a coin flip for me right now which of you to vote for, however I'll remain consistant for now and Vote Hockey MonkeyOh and, just forgot about her on your list, hm?
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 16, 2007 13:23:46 GMT -5
Got it, Idle ThoughtsSpotted the mistake. NAF's stilll list has you as deceased, so there are actually 17 players alive and kicking. It is my mistake about Hockey Monkey, she should be under no claim. I have no problems about me being in your top two. Just don't forget to prove it
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 13:30:41 GMT -5
If the Easter Bunny is scum, then the Mods are truly, deeply, evil. Deeply.
How would that even work in any sort of a balanced fashion? To allow the scum to add extra Night kills seems extremely hard to balance. I suppose you could limit the power such that the ability for a single Night kill can be mysteriously provided to anyone other than a fellow scummy? That would infer somewhat that the people selected by the scum to receive the individual kill power(s) would be people who have been very vocal in their suspicions of those who are other than scum, and would also would carry a hefty potential cost to the scum if any of the extra kills ever backfired and happened to be used against the scum. I don't know. It just seems a little too crazy as a power, even with all of the other craziness that we already have up to our ears around here.
Is anyone familiar with such a role in the Mafia canon? It would also be a tough fit in the Firefly canon, though I suppose I could see a scummy Saffron or a Niska operating that way...but then again relying on the canon has now been proven to sometimes be extremely hazardous.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 16, 2007 13:40:29 GMT -5
I'm sorely tempted to do the following:
Call out the giver of knives, easter bunny, whatever, to come forward. If they do not, then I am seriously considering lynching Hal. Gutwise it make the most sense to me, for reasons I'm not sure I can articulate.
I'm less sure about a mass roleclaim, mostly because we already have a LOT of roles out there, and I don't know that I would expect any of the six unclaimed people to come out with much other than "vanilla townie" which would be singularly unhelpful.
I do think we need to be wary of scum hiding amongst the claimed. No one yet pings my scumdar.
I'm also going to vote for Hockey Monkey and FOS CatInASuit on the grounds that I've caught scum using subtle list manipulation before, although no one listened to me then (as one of our GMs well knows. =P)
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 16, 2007 13:42:45 GMT -5
Actually, let's cut to the source on that one. unvote Hockey Monkey vote CatInASuit
While we're at it, can we just start ignoring vanilla townie claims? There's no damn reason for a scum to NOT claim vanilla--it can't be counterclaimed, and we've established that names mean nothing so they have no risk attached to claiming their assigned name. Preemptive FOS on anyone who persists in thinking a vanilla claim means anything other than business as usual.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2007 13:43:43 GMT -5
on the grounds that I've caught scum using subtle list manipulation before, although no one listened to me then (as one of our GMs well knows. =P) I WASN'T MANIPULATING THE LIST! I HAD A LEGIT REASON FOR LEAVING AZ OFF!!! ahem Sorry...been carrying that one around for a while...carry on.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 13:49:01 GMT -5
on the grounds that I've caught scum using subtle list manipulation before, although no one listened to me then (as one of our GMs well knows. =P) I WASN'T MANIPULATING THE LIST! I HAD A LEGIT REASON FOR LEAVING AZ OFF!!! ahem Sorry...been carrying that one around for a while...carry on. This sounds like it was part of M5? Since it was brought up as part of this game, can we get the back story (for those of us who subbed in as scum and didn't feel the need to do anything but skim the first half of the game? ) Umm, never mind, I know darn well how NAF was caught as scum in M5, but I'd still like the backstory.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2007 13:56:31 GMT -5
I WASN'T MANIPULATING THE LIST! I HAD A LEGIT REASON FOR LEAVING AZ OFF!!! ahem Sorry...been carrying that one around for a while...carry on. This sounds like it was part of M5? Since it was brought up as part of this game, can we get the back story (for those of us who subbed in as scum and didn't feel the need to do anything but skim the first half of the game? ) Umm, never mind, I know confound well how NAF was caught as scum in M5, but I'd still like the backstory. Yeah it is a thing from M5, I was just ribbing Z a bit since he brought it up. But since you ask... Short version. Day 1 I made a list of people I thought weren't contributing enough. Zeriel was on it becuase I found his posts to be fluffy, AZ wasn't because even though he had fewer posts then Z I found them to be very weighty and substantive. Z used said list to follow me around for the rest of the game. The fact that AZ and myself were both scum is just an unfortunate coincidence.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 16, 2007 14:10:35 GMT -5
"Is anyone familiar with such a role in the Mafia canon? " -Cookies.
Well, I've seen the Role of mad scientists/gun owners/etc or something to that ilk on MafiaScum, where a player is given anywhere from 3-(up to)18 different Items, and they are told either what they are, or they're just the names without giving any details on what they do. Usually the items can be used by the actual player and they can give a one shot ability of Vig, Doctor, RoleBlocker, etc. The Player may also then have the ability to "pass" the items to another player. This is often used as a means of confirming said player. They would role claim, and then announce they're going to "pass" an item to some established Pro-town person. And if they do so, then they are confirmed to be said role usually.
In most cases I've seen it, the role is Pro-town, as giving that many tools to scum is well... most uncool. But sometimes that role is independent/ within his own small group, and acts in almost an SK fashion due to the fact that he's got all the tools to pull it off.
The guy is basically a "limited" version of a role usually. Like instead of being a Vig, he may be a 3shot Vig. Or a One shot Vig, One shot Doc, One shot Cop. That sorta deal. It varies by what the mod wants to do. And if they're not told their roles, then well... you inevitably end up with someone getting shot accidentally on Day1 or something. Though from Hal's speech it makes it look like the intent of the item was QUITE Clear. So I don't think we're dealing with a confused Scientist here.
We just don't know what he's got left in his arsenal.
**** And to answer the Q to dotchan Sinjin stated she was a player with an Anti-town name, but with a minor Power on Day 1 as a refute to Roosh's Idea v1.0.
How she knew it was ANTI-Town and not just a random town name makes me curious though....
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 16, 2007 14:14:20 GMT -5
Also, I'm actually kinda Suspicious of Dotchan2.0 It's a really weak reason though, you're just not playing like Dotchan would. You're much more subdued, and you've mainly just been keeping lists rather than sharing ideas as much as "The old dotchan" would. Though, yeah, your old playing style DID get you lynched alot, I still don't think that over the course of this games such a change would occur, "you may have learned your lesson" but this just seems to drastic of a change, and makes me think you might have a role that you suddenly want to keep quiet: Aka: SCUM.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 14:27:54 GMT -5
Sinjin's Day One claim has since fallen into the black hole, but she refers to it again here
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 14:34:36 GMT -5
Roosh, did you miss the memo about me getting a (real life) job? I've been participating when I could, poking at the various players I felt suspicious. And I notice that I come across a lot more clearly when I let my thoughts percolate for a few moments.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2007 14:35:12 GMT -5
Got it, Idle ThoughtsSpotted the mistake. NAF's stilll list has you as deceased, so there are actually 17 players alive and kicking. It is my mistake about Hockey Monkey, she should be under no claim. I have no problems about me being in your top two. Just don't forget to prove it Yeah, well..I'm probably dying toNight for real this time.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 14:42:36 GMT -5
Easter Bunny thoughts continued...
If there is indeed a toy-sharing role, is it possible that they can choose to either use the toys themselves or give them away? Is it possible that panama could have been saved by either the Easter Bunny him/herself, or someone who the Easter Bunny had given a blocking/protection power? That might explain why panama knows he was (allegedly) attacked, even though he (allegedly) was not able to protect himself or block anyone, because he was being protected (either directly or indirectly) by the Easter Bunny.
Or it is all a big scummy fib that panama is telling, and by extension Hal's story could be a big scummy fib too. GAH!!!!!
If the Easter Bunny exists, and is pro-town, I am extremely hesitant to have him/her out themselves, but on the other hand it looks like they could possibly confirm multiple players by doing so (assuming lots of things that may or may not be the case).
And of course this all comes with the standard disclaimer that I fully acknowledge and validate the complete autonomy of any proverbial lagomorphs and what he/she chooses to do with themselves.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 14:51:28 GMT -5
<snip> If the Easter Bunny exists, and is pro-town, I am extremely hesitant to have him/her out themselves, but on the other hand it looks like they could possibly confirm multiple players by doing so (assuming lots of things that may or may not be the case). <snip> How do you figure? It would confirm Hal's story, sure. There is no publicly available information that guarantees the Easter Bunny can only give his tidbit to crew. It would not, in any way, confirm Hal as crew. Who are these other players you think could be confirmed in this way?
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 16, 2007 15:12:25 GMT -5
Things I would like to see.
1) Hal Briston's strange benefactor coming forward and giving some explanation.
2) Hockey Monkey explaining why she unvoted me on Day 1 for not looking scummy. I mean I was on all the bandwagons that day except my own. I think the only reason I wasn't lynched was because Roosh managed to convince most people that Wash was vanilla.
BTW: Just for record I am vanilla and it was a deliberate ploy to look scummy. Blame MtS for it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 15:19:02 GMT -5
In my mind, an admittedly optimistic possible scenario to insert into the "(assuming lots of things that may or may not be the case)" part above would be:
1) (Townie) Easter Bunny gives (Townie) Hal a sharp object that allowed him to almost tragically go after Idle last Night.
2) (Townie) Easter Bunny directly interferes to save the life of a (Townie) panama on Night 2.
Though this Easter Bunny fellow grows potentially more and more powerful (and therefor less and less likely) imho, the more I try and link him/her as an entity to some of the unverified testimony that has been provided by others...IF the above optimistic scenario is the case, and I were the Easter Bunny, I would be tempted to out myself for the gain of confirming Hal's and panama's stories.
It is pretty much the only scenario that I would be comfortable outing myself if I were the Easter Bunny.
But all of this is only at one end of a spectrum that on the opposite end includes the possibility that BOTH Hal[b/] and panama are scum who are in cahoots who have made up a vague and mysterious "entity" to both cover their tracks and provide a diversion, or that the Easter Bunny exists but is scum-aligned.
Then there's the whole rest of the middle part of the spectrum where there could be both an Easter Bunny (either scummy or townie) and one or the other of Hal vs panama is blowing scummy smoke with their testimony, or that their stories are not directly related to each other at all.
Then there's the completely paranoid part of me who may not be inclined to believe the Easter Bunny if he/she comes out and ties a bunch of loose ends into a pretty package.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 15:47:22 GMT -5
What about the possibility that one is scum and the other is not?
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 16, 2007 15:52:10 GMT -5
Say, does anyone know what Storyteller and Blaster have been SAYING? In the last couple of days that might have gotten them killed?
I mean, maybe they were onto something, and scum took 'em out? I'd like to check this stuff out further their posts on Day 3/4 at least.....
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 15:52:42 GMT -5
See second to the last paragraph of post #84.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 16, 2007 15:57:40 GMT -5
Bah... Storyteller (just on a quick glance at his last 50 posts)- He's been kinda blah. Just anti-Blaster, Anti-Drain. Neutral to Pygmy on the 3xHammer, and Anti-Idle.
Day 4 was mostly Idle stuff. Day 3 was mostly Drain/Blaster stuff. :sigh: I don't really know if I want to examine it post by post, especially with class coming up for me in about 1 hour or so.... But yeah, If someone wants to look through it, be my guest.
Same with someone who wants to do Blaster.
Idle, you can examine your own reasons for dying, but your murderer has already confessed. Heh.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 16:10:40 GMT -5
Hal Briston : Is there any reason why your night visitor was could not be scum instead of town? I've no proof that the EB could be scum, but as others have mentioned, that'd take mods who seriously hate the town's guts and want to make us weep. As to the EB making a reveal, I'm seriously torn. Yes, my story would be confirmed, but not my side, so it wouldn't give me any direct benefit (unless the EB stated specifically that he could only give his power to townies, but I can't see that being a restriction unless the EB were scum). I'm also curious as to why no one else has come clean about kills they've made. I just assumed that once I spilled the beans about the EB, a couple others would slowly raise their hands and admit "Errr, yeah, I killed so-n-so...sorry 'bout that..." Finally, anyone have any good reasons either for or against me revealing the EB's character name and role?
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