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Post by RoOsh on Oct 16, 2007 16:15:34 GMT -5
WAIT. YOU KNOW WHO IT IS? *head slap* I thought we were just sitting here wasting time just WIFOMing.... I'm for it.... Unless others chime in, Hal, and you're getting the message/hint that you shouldn't reveal it from them. But I don't see the harm in letting us know, and then maybe they'll explain what they've been doing. Because I would like to know more, but the longer they refrain from revealing themselves, the more I think they have something to hide. But that's just my opinion. Would others care to chime in?
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 16:24:58 GMT -5
I've gone back and forth about it for a while now, and I figured, eh, why not. I'm basically just Vanilla now anyway. Well...here I am. I am the Easter Bunny.More specifically, I am Jubal Early, Bounty Hunter. My alignment is Crew. Night One, Caerie D investigated Hal Briston. My power is a one-shot ability that only affected Hal's role. I tried investigating on Nights Two and Three, but they returned useless results.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 16:25:23 GMT -5
WAIT. YOU KNOW WHO IT IS? Woah woah woah...sorry if I was unclear -- I know a character name and a role name -- not a player name.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 16:26:01 GMT -5
More specifically, I am Jubal Early, Bounty Hunter. And that would the exact info I have...
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 16:28:00 GMT -5
Hal Briston : Is there any reason why your night visitor was could not be scum instead of town? I've no proof that the EB could be scum, but as others have mentioned, that'd take mods who seriously hate the town's guts and want to make us weep. As to the EB making a reveal, I'm seriously torn. Yes, my story would be confirmed, but not my side, so it wouldn't give me any direct benefit (unless the EB stated specifically that he could only give his power to townies, but I can't see that being a restriction unless the EB were scum). I'm also curious as to why no one else has come clean about kills they've made. I just assumed that once I spilled the beans about the EB, a couple others would slowly raise their hands and admit "Errr, yeah, I killed so-n-so...sorry 'bout that..." Finally, anyone have any good reasons either for or against me revealing the EB's character name and role? I think it would help. If for no other reason than to allow others who've had notcurnal relations with leporidaes to confirm they've had knowledge of the same leporidae and we know there's just one EB running around instead of a whole bunch of them(they breed like rabbits you know). The more we can find out about this ruleset we're playing under, and a loose cannon like a bunny handing out vorpal weapons specifically, the better off the town is. Enjoy, Steven
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 16:29:04 GMT -5
My power is a one-shot ability that only affected Hal's role. Wait...can you clarify that? It's a one-shot ability that only affected the first person Caerie investigated? It's a one-shot ability that only affected the first person Caerie decided would get the ability? It's a one-shot ability that only affected my role, specifically?
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 16:34:51 GMT -5
Dotchan did you ever try to investigate panamajack? I'm still seeing holes in piecing together the actions that have been happening at night.
Enjoy, Steven
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 16, 2007 16:35:23 GMT -5
It's a one-shot ability that only affected my role, specifically? If it's that, then who the hell is Hal, that only Jubal can work with him?
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 16:39:00 GMT -5
My power is a one-shot ability that only affected Hal's role. Wait...can you clarify that? It's a one-shot ability that only affected the first person Caerie investigated? It's a one-shot ability that only affected the first person Caerie decided would get the ability? It's a one-shot ability that only affected my role, specifically? It was a one-shot ability pertaining to your role.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 16:40:34 GMT -5
Dotchan did you ever try to investigate panamajack? No, I have never investigated panamajack.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 16:46:50 GMT -5
<snip> It was a one-shot ability pertaining to your role. I'm confused. If it only pertains to Hal's role, why did you investigate on subsequent nights? Or does it only pertain to Hal's type of role, say, for example, that Hal is a... I dunno, cook on board the ship (somebody who knows the flavor help me out here...), it would work with on another cook. Or, an even better scenario, it would only work with crewmembers? Also, did you chose not to investigate on Nights 4 and 5?
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 16:50:26 GMT -5
Wait...can you clarify that? It's a one-shot ability that only affected the first person Caerie investigated? It's a one-shot ability that only affected the first person Caerie decided would get the ability? It's a one-shot ability that only affected my role, specifically? It was a one-shot ability pertaining to your role. I'm still lost here. How did you investigate on subsequent nights if your power was a one-shot? As ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies has a power which can apparently only affect one of us I can believe you would also, but does this mean Hal has a role which is shared by others and you are looking for more so you can give them pointy sticks and turn them loose to wreak havoc as well? We know Hal isn't a Mason, what other groups could we have other than town and scum? Is Hal a Reaver? Are you some sort of Reaver enabler going around giving those psycopaths pointy sticks so they can kill us all? Enjoy, Steven
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 16:54:48 GMT -5
It was a one-shot ability pertaining to your role. Bwuh? Ok...to further break down what pygmy just asked, is it a one-shot ability that could only be granted to my specific character, or a one-shot role that could only be granted to vanilla crew?
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 16:58:03 GMT -5
It was a one-shot ability related to Hal's character.
I did not know this at the time, so I experimented with investigating people to see what effects I might or might not have. On Night 4, I asked the Mods directly, and they confirmed that my affect on Hal was a unique occurance.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 17:03:46 GMT -5
It was a one-shot ability related to Hal's character. Well then, let me be the first to say: Huh.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 17:04:35 GMT -5
That just seems... odd. Why would they not have told you right away? Cookies said it was very clear who she was looking for. I realize it's her twin and all, but, I would think that would be something included, especially since, since it relates to a specific character, there would be some flavor included as to -why- you were looking for that person. And it seems to me that if you investigated on Night 2, when you sent Kat your role PM, that she'd reply, "No, silly rabbit, Trix* are for kids**."
*handing out a kill **only worked with Pedantic Jerkwad Gangsta Thug Babies.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 16, 2007 17:07:07 GMT -5
What pygmy said.
Plus, helluva shot, picking your quest target right outta the gate.
I reiterate: Huh.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 17:12:22 GMT -5
Pygmy: I didn't expect the Mods to tell me, so I decided to experiment a bit. I thought my role would be more useful than a character-specific investigation (because the wording of the investigation result on Hal didn't suggest that I gave him any kind of ability).
Hal: Technically, Caerie D picked that investigation target. She didn't leave any notes as to why she chose you.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 17:13:04 GMT -5
What pygmy said. Plus, helluva shot, picking your quest target right outta the gate. <snip> Don't worry, Hal, I was going to say that second part, too, but I wanted to be sure you were able to get a word in edgewise.
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 17:16:16 GMT -5
Oh, and while I'm here.
Vote Rugger, Pygmy
Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action.
Enjoy, Steven
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2007 17:37:58 GMT -5
I've gone back and forth about it for a while now, and I figured, eh, why not. I'm basically just Vanilla now anyway. Well...here I am. I am the Easter Bunny.More specifically, I am Jubal Early, Bounty Hunter. My alignment is Crew. Night One, Caerie D investigated Hal Briston. My power is a one-shot ability that only affected Hal's role. I tried investigating on Nights Two and Three, but they returned useless results. So you're having us believe that CaerieD just happened to affect Hal's role and nobody elses' and that she just happened to get him on the first try? <snip> It was a one-shot ability pertaining to your role. I'm confused. If it only pertains to Hal's role, why did you investigate on subsequent nights? Huh. Along with the question I raise above. This sounds weird. Just sounds like too many coincidences. Dunno what to think.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 16, 2007 18:03:58 GMT -5
I'm still of the belief that a mass role claim might help us out a scum or two. We'd almost have to get a duplicate name claim right? That would narrow it down to a 50% shot. Of course scum could claim some phoney vanilla non-canon name, but at least we'd be forcing a lie out of them that we can analyze.
The fact that Pygmy doesn't want us to do it based on the grounds that it wouldn't help, makes me want to do it even more, as I'm growing increasingly suspicious of him.
I've already made my full claim, and I'd like to hear any strong objections to a mass claim. I'm not saying that everyone has to role claim fully, but at least a name claim would provide something to go on. Yes, even a good guy name can be scum (Kaylee), but I can't think of anything we have to lose. The scum already know who we are, and I can't imagine that we have too many more pro-town power roles left even. So, what say yous guys?
Oh, also Vote Pygmy. This is based on the tri-hammering and a general feeling that we are not on the same team.
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 18:04:10 GMT -5
So Idle Thoughts, did you ever protect panamajack?
Enjoy, Steven
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 18:09:35 GMT -5
NO NO NO! Mass name claim is BAD. It doesn't prove anything(as Kaylee(nee drain bead) showed) and the precedent has already been set that at least SOME of our power roles, Mal (nee atarus) and Dr. Tam (nee Idle Thoughts), DO correlate to major characters. A mass name claim just narrows the field for the scum to shoot into because they know which of the major characters are scum. And I fail to see why you (nee dnooman) think there must be an overlap? Why couldn't scum claim with their actual character names?
Enjoy, Steven
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2007 18:10:37 GMT -5
I go off to a meeting and all the interesting things happen. I don't think we've been caring about such PM nuances for a while now, but is it possible that the "Alliance crew/citizen" individuals vs those who did not have the confusing "Alliance" facets to their PMs might indicate who Jubal could or could not slip knives to? Jubal was hunting Simon and River for a reward that was being paid out of the Alliance coffers, from a color point of view.
If it really is Hal and only Hal who could receive the gift vs a potential pool of people (even if the gift could only be given once), the former pings my BS-o-meter much more than the later.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 16, 2007 18:18:11 GMT -5
NO NO NO! Mass name claim is BAD. It doesn't prove anything(as Kaylee(nee drain bead) showed) and the precedent has already been set that at least SOME of our power roles, Mal (nee atarus) and Dr. Tam (nee Idle Thoughts), DO correlate to major characters. A mass name claim just narrows the field for the scum to shoot into because they know which of the major characters are scum. And I fail to see why you (nee dnooman) think there must be an overlap? Why couldn't scum claim with their actual character names? Enjoy, Steven To assume that a mass claim is bad, is to assume that we still have hidden pro-town power roles right? What makes you think that there are more? I think that there is a high liklihood of an overlap simply because we were given a relatively short list of canon names in the primer, and we've already seen a good number of the major names. IIRC we've yet to see anyone claim River, Zoe, and Jayne. Who's to say whether they're good guys or bad in this game? I KNOW that if there are two people that claim the same name, we've found at LEAST one scum. This closed setup is a bitach because anything can happen without warning, but I think if we don't change our tactics soon, we're boned.
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Post by mtgman on Oct 16, 2007 18:20:17 GMT -5
It was a one-shot ability related to Hal's character. I did not know this at the time, so I experimented with investigating people to see what effects I might or might not have. On Night 4, I asked the Mods directly, and they confirmed that my affect on Hal was a unique occurance. This is critical. Did they say "unique"? As in one and only one, period?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 18:20:28 GMT -5
<snip> The fact that Pygmy doesn't want us to do it based on the grounds that it wouldn't help, makes me want to do it even more, as I'm growing increasingly suspicious of him.<snip> When did I say I didn't want to do it? I never expressed any preference on way or another. What I said was: <snip> It's already been proven "good" names can be scum. What do you hope to do with the information gathered? You even knew it was a bad idea when you posed it, saying: <snip> Hate me for saying it, or even thinking it, but I'm pondering the efficacy of a mass role claim ATM. The scum have us over a barrel. We need perfect lynches in order to survive. <snip> Emphasis mine.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 16, 2007 18:25:27 GMT -5
It was a one-shot ability related to Hal's character. I did not know this at the time, so I experimented with investigating people to see what effects I might or might not have. On Night 4, I asked the Mods directly, and they confirmed that my affect on Hal was a unique occurance. This is critical. Did they say "unique"? As in one and only one, period? Yes. The effect on Hal was a one-shot occurrence.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 16, 2007 18:32:04 GMT -5
This is critical. Did they say "unique"? As in one and only one, period? Yes. The effect on Hal was a one-shot occurrence. What about the effect it might have on somebody else?
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