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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 18, 2007 14:04:20 GMT -5
<snip> dotchan said she had no more gifts to give out, so that would mean either we had a third person with a night kill ability on that night or another gift giver helping out with night kills again.<snip> It's entirely possible that Greedy Smurf was able to make his kill before he died that Night.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 18, 2007 14:15:15 GMT -5
Vote count, then I am off to lunch.
5- DotchanV2 (Pygmy Rugger, Capt. Klutz, Roosh, Hockey Monkey, Hal Briston)
2- panamajack (panamajack, CatInASuit) 2- Pygmy Rugger (mtgman, dnooman)
1- CatinaSuit (zeriel) 1- Hockey Monkey (Idle Thoughts)
11 out of 17 votes cast with 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 18, 2007 14:39:20 GMT -5
<snip> dotchan said she had no more gifts to give out, so that would mean either we had a third person with a night kill ability on that night or another gift giver helping out with night kills again.<snip> It's entirely possible that Greedy Smurf was able to make his kill before he died that Night. Not if drainbead was telling the truth and did block Greedy Smurf that night, that should mean that he didn't attack at all. (Yes, I know she was scum ) Day 3. Post 182. Her testimony only fell down when she tried to contradict Cookies and that it would have meant that if she was right we would have to lynch Roosh and Diomedes as well. Of course, this still means we have a blocker which allows panamajack to know he has been attacked without actually having to say whodunnit. It's still too much of a coincidence for me.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 18, 2007 15:06:53 GMT -5
Vote count, then I am off to lunch. 5- DotchanV2 (Pygmy Rugger, Capt. Klutz, Roosh, Hockey Monkey, Hal Briston) 2- panamajack (panamajack, CatInASuit) 2- Pygmy Rugger (mtgman, dnooman) 1- CatinaSuit (zeriel) 1- Hockey Monkey (Idle Thoughts) 11 out of 17 votes cast with 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch panama isn't voting for himself, but I'm voting for him.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 18, 2007 16:18:16 GMT -5
Did Drainbead mention who she blocked btw if ever?
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 18, 2007 16:19:56 GMT -5
and i hope the nonvoters show up and start doing something dammit. This is ridiculous. We shouldn't have to wait till the last 24 hours before a lynch deadline to settle things!
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 18, 2007 16:24:38 GMT -5
Vote count, then I am off to lunch. 5- DotchanV2 (Pygmy Rugger, Capt. Klutz, Roosh, Hockey Monkey, Hal Briston) 2- panamajack (panamajack, CatInASuit) 2- Pygmy Rugger (mtgman, dnooman) 1- CatinaSuit (zeriel) 1- Hockey Monkey (Idle Thoughts) 11 out of 17 votes cast with 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch panama isn't voting for himself, but I'm voting for him. interesting. That makes more sense. Let's try this again: 5- DotchanV2 (Pygmy Rugger, Capt. Klutz, Roosh, Hockey Monkey, Hal Briston) 2- panamajack (Cookies, CatInASuit) 2- Pygmy Rugger (mtgman, dnooman) 1- CatinaSuit (zeriel) 1- Hockey Monkey (Idle Thoughts)
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 18, 2007 16:40:59 GMT -5
Did Drainbead mention who she blocked btw if ever? She detailed it pretty extensively in her role claim. Day 3, post 182.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2007 17:18:47 GMT -5
So, Either Idle Thoughts and whatthefrak are the best blockers in the business, or we have third blocker we don't know about, to go with the third attacker we don't know about or haven't seen since or maybe even drainbead was feeling nice to the town, or another gift giver, but quite frankly it makes no sense at all. Thing is, back when I was a full Doctor I never protected panamajack and I seem to remember whatthefrak saying s/he never did either (I could be wrong on that though).
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 18, 2007 17:41:13 GMT -5
Sorry I've been so quiet. I prioritised spending time with Yattara last week, so my notes are a bit out of date.
I've been following the threads but not making notes. This means I need to go reread from Day 3. *sigh*
I'm trying to shape some ideas about the Jubal / River imbroglio first though. I've just had a wacky idea. Back soon-ish with the post.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 18, 2007 18:03:22 GMT -5
That was quicker than I expected. It's because I need a question answered.
The River/Jubal mess.
Either Hal Briston aka River Tam is Crew aligned, Alliance aligned or self-aligned. Either Caerie.Chan aka Jubal Early is Crew aligned, Alliance aligned or self-aligned.
Caerie.Chan claims that she investigated Hal on Night 1 and found her quarry, deciding not to bring him in, and that's all she wrote.
Hal claims that Jubal Early visited him on Night 1 and left a weapon. He had a single use and decided to swing at Idle Thoughts on Night 5, who just happened to be his character's brother.
The trouble is, the role of Jubal Early has changed hands, and I don't know whether Dotchan has the answer to the question I want answered. I'll ask it anyway.
Dotchan. On Night 1, do you know if CaerieD actually decided not to bring River Tam in for the Alliance, or was it a scripted decision? That is, did Caerie instruct the Mods that if Hal was River, she would not bring her in? Or was the decision to bring Hal in not under her control?
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Post by mtgman on Oct 18, 2007 18:33:21 GMT -5
Did Drainbead mention who she blocked btw if ever? She detailed it pretty extensively in her role claim. Day 3, post 182. Yes, but how much, if any of it can we believe? I'm thinking little to none. Re-examine her claim in light of her role as scum and think "is this what scum would have done?" When I do that I come up with no reason for her to have selected those targets at those times. I'd expect her to block the claimed town investigative role, Diomedes, over and over to both keep info down and to make him look more suspicious and get him lynched. I'm not sure what to make of her actions in this regard, but I'm certainly not going to take her claimed list of activities at face value given the confirmation that she was lying about the most critical piece(being pro-town). Enjoy, Steven
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 18, 2007 18:49:36 GMT -5
She detailed it pretty extensively in her role claim. Day 3, post 182. Yes, but how much, if any of it can we believe? I'm thinking little to none. Re-examine her claim in light of her role as scum and think "is this what scum would have done?" When I do that I come up with no reason for her to have selected those targets at those times. I'd expect her to block the claimed town investigative role, Diomedes, over and over to both keep info down and to make him look more suspicious and get him lynched. I'm not sure what to make of her actions in this regard, but I'm certainly not going to take her claimed list of activities at face value given the confirmation that she was lying about the most critical piece(being pro-town). Enjoy, Steven I agree, which is why I mentioned the possibility that Greedy might have been one of the killers, or panama's attacker, on the first "kill Night". I also just realized, in rereading CatinaSuit's post where he voted for panama, that he didn't that possibility into account. He also didn't take into account that two killers may have targeted the same person. One more possibility, which leads to a question for whatthefrak: If you protect somebody, and it's successful, is there some sort of struggle, and the protectee would see said struggle, and know there was an attack on them, even if they didn't know who was protecting them and who was attacking them?
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Post by dnooman on Oct 18, 2007 21:16:03 GMT -5
Unvote Pygmy Vote Dot
I've seen Dot's virtuous ways previously, but I'm not so sure this time, besides, if we end up with the 9 votes needed to lynch and she's town, there's a very good chance that there are scum on this wagon. If she's scum, kickass!
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 18, 2007 21:24:53 GMT -5
Dotchan. On Night 1, do you know if CaerieD actually decided not to bring River Tam in for the Alliance, or was it a scripted decision? That is, did Caerie instruct the Mods that if Hal was River, she would not bring her in? Or was the decision to bring Hal in not under her control? It looks like that was part of what the mod gave back as a result.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 18, 2007 21:30:58 GMT -5
I concede that there are a handful of possibilities that could potentially explain panama's Night 2 story, and even though I feel somewhat the same with respect to dot, her claim and subsequent follow-ups do strike me as a bit too vague. If the scum learned anything from drain's death, it would probably be to try and err on the side of vagueness with respect to their fabrications, as it was drain's details that contributed to her getting caught.
Unvote panama Vote dot
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 18, 2007 22:14:24 GMT -5
Hey, someone other than pygmy hammered toDay! ;D
And very unsporting, dropping those last few votes on me while I wasn't online to defend myself.
Oh, well. I got good experience playing this time, and lots of notes on How Not To Act as a Power Role Turned Vanilla.
Go Town!
There wouldn't happen to be any sarlacc pits in the Firefly verse, are there? ;D
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Post by dnooman on Oct 18, 2007 22:20:29 GMT -5
Hey, someone other than pygmy hammered toDay! ;D And very unsporting, dropping those last few votes on me while I wasn't online to defend myself. Oh, well. I got good experience playing this time, and lots of notes on How Not To Act as a Power Role Turned Vanilla. Go Town! There wouldn't happen to be any sarlacc pits in the Firefly verse, are there? ;D Um, I count seven votes out of nine needed to lynch. Did I miss something, or did you?
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Post by nesta on Oct 18, 2007 22:20:39 GMT -5
Wait, are you sure it was hammered already? If NAF's count was correct I count you at 7 now, and 9 are needed to lynch.
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Post by nesta on Oct 18, 2007 22:23:12 GMT -5
Ok, dnooman thinks it's 7 too, so I'll go ahead and post what I was just about to post before seeing you thought (or did you?) the Day was over: --- dotchan I want to believe you, really I do. You seem to have a knack for getting lynched, and I worry that once again you are innocent but are just too shiny to ignore. My suspicions and I think many others’ stems from the fact that your role-claim seems to be coming out in bits and pieces and doesn’t quite seem consistent. I have a few questions that maybe you can clear up: First, as far as I can tell you haven’t said anything about your flavor text. Could you summarize what your role PM said about your role and how it applies to this game? Second, you say this: It was a one-shot ability related to Hal's character. I did not know this at the time, so I experimented with investigating people to see what effects I might or might not have. On Night 4, I asked the Mods directly, and they confirmed that my affect on Hal was a unique occurance. You’ve said you / CaerieD were told that you decided not to bring Hal / River in, and were told Hal was River on Night 1, but weren’t told that you had any effect on him or gave him a killing ability. In the post above, though, you say you investigated other players to see what effects you might have. If you only received a River / not-River result and no indication that you had given Hal an ability, what made you think you might have an effect on other players? Third, does your PM actually state that you have a role of bounty hunter, or does that come from the flavor text?
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Post by Gir! on Oct 18, 2007 22:23:16 GMT -5
The Unconfusing of Dotchan Official Vote Count
dotchan (7): Pygmy Rugger, Captain Klutz, Roosh, Hockey Monkey, Hal Briston, dnooman, Cookies
CatInASuit (1): zeriel Hockey Monkey (1): Idle Thoughts panamajack (1): CatInASuit Pygmy Rugger (1): mtgman
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 18, 2007 22:29:54 GMT -5
Oh, I did mis-count. Phew! I live for two more votes at least. First, as far as I can tell you haven’t said anything about your flavor text. Could you summarize what your role PM said about your role and how it applies to this game? The PM said that I was hired to find River, but whether I'd turn her in remained unknown. I first began wondering this when Diomedes claimed to get fuzzy screens on Hal on Night 1. That's when I started to get hopeful that maybe I had a secondary ability (because this was my first time playing a power role and I hoped that I could continue to have some kind of shiny ability after I subbed in). My role states that I am a Bounty Hunter.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 18, 2007 22:31:49 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that Greedy Smurf was able to make his kill before he died that Night. Not if drainbead was telling the truth and did block Greedy Smurf that night, that should mean that he didn't attack at all. (Yes, I know she was scum ) <rest snipped> For one thing, you seem to be all too ready to believe scum, who are highly motivated to lie. Additionally, if you think I'm scum, she would have been casting doubt on my account at a time when I wasn't under suspicion, and to what end? I'm almost inclined to believe that she did that deliberately, to add some confusion to what happened to me. I've found you suspicious before but not quite as much recently, until this. I'm not really bothered by your suspicion of me as I am by what seems muddy thinking on your part. Taking a far-fetched explanation as the basis for your suspicion, while ignoring the simpler explanations at hand, is not good grounds for your vote.
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Post by dnooman on Oct 18, 2007 22:42:28 GMT -5
Dot, please forgive me if I sound rude, but how in the hell did you you think that Cookies had the hammering vote. Seriously, I want to know.
When my neck was on the line, I sure as hell knew what the vote count was. This doesn't seem like you at all. The "crap, I got lynched, see I was town, Go Town!" statement now seems to me to be, well I don't know. Had you actually been lynched, no number of unvotes in the world could have saved you.
With so little activity going on 'tween the last vote count (where you were leading in votes, and therefore had a vested interest in the tally) and Cookies vote, I really can't see any way in Hell that one could confuse the running tally. There were no unvotes during that period, nor were there any votes for anyone else. Seriously, what gives?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2007 22:59:17 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that Greedy Smurf was able to make his kill before he died that Night. Not if drainbead was telling the truth and did block Greedy Smurf that night, that should mean that he didn't attack at all. (Yes, I know she was scum ) You seem to be forgetting something. Or maybe just not mentioning it. Her block could have failed. It wasn't a very high percentage, if I remember. As for GS, maybe his success depended on a percentage too and his failed. If both DBs and GSs failed (or DB was lying and just GSs failed) and GS tried killing PJ, I can see how it might show up as an attack.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 18, 2007 23:03:19 GMT -5
Not if drainbead was telling the truth and did block Greedy Smurf that night, that should mean that he didn't attack at all. (Yes, I know she was scum ) You seem to be forgetting something. Or maybe just not mentioning it. Her block could have failed. It wasn't a very high percentage, if I remember. <snip> Or, the thing that's being "forgotten", as dnooman said, and I alluded too, was that drainbead was scum, and was probably lying.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2007 23:05:24 GMT -5
Anyway, Unvote Hockey and Vote CatInASuit
Again, I find/feel/think both are the most suspicious right now, at least to me, personally. But being as there is already one vote on CIAS, I'll make it two.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2007 23:07:40 GMT -5
You seem to be forgetting something. Or maybe just not mentioning it. Her block could have failed. It wasn't a very high percentage, if I remember. <snip> Or, the thing that's being "forgotten", as dnooman said, and I alluded too, was that drainbead was scum, and was probably lying. I'm confused. Read the part right after where you snipped it. I say myself "Or DB was just lying", hahahaha.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 18, 2007 23:09:33 GMT -5
Yeah, i really don't know what to make of the "Go town" statement. That brings all sorts of WIFOM into this. Ie: do i think you're smart enough of a player to make a WIFOM statement like that to try and trick town? Or were you really that foolish and jumped the gun, and thusly meaning that you haven't been paying attention to the vote count at ALL.... Most Uncool, Dotchan. Most uncool. I refuse to drink this WIFOM, and will stick with my vote. Still haven't told us who you investigated on subsequent nights btw, dotchan..... And what sort of power role turned townie are you calling yourself? "turning River tam in" sounds like you'd turning her in to the alliance. Where in the HELL is that a Pro-Town power Role? Sheesh.... A bounty hunter... basically a townie who can sell out his fellow townie to the alliance? That's not a PowerRole, that's scum to me. Confirming vote Dotchan.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2007 23:17:43 GMT -5
By the way, mods, what of MadtheSwine?
Not that I find it suspicious he's not playing since I feel he's all of confirmed since Night Two but it'd be nice to have another vote around.
He was subbed out of M8, anyone here from him since? : / Hope he's okay.
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