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Post by Colby11 on Jul 22, 2011 13:49:36 GMT -5
Thought that I would put a discussion in for those of us who have been killed one way or another...
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Post by special on Jul 23, 2011 2:12:35 GMT -5
Thought that I would put a discussion in for those of us who have been killed one way or another...[/quote now if we could just see the Night Actions hint hint
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Post by texcat on Jul 23, 2011 8:56:33 GMT -5
After Guiri led the charge on Trepa, and wasn't interested particularly in Colby, I was totally convinced he was scum. It's probably just as well that I'm dead. And the rabids! It looks to me that all of the PMs, including fubbles and the scum, use rabid only as an adjective, not as a noun or collective noun for the scum. Another todo about nothing? Pinkies is the Doc! And there are only 4 scum. Not at all what I was expecting when I got back here. The good news about Pinkies being the Doc is that the scum probably won't kill him for a long, long time. The bad news.... I'd like to see who fubbles is investigating. Is there any theory on who to investigate? I'm not sure that I have ever been an investigator. Is it better to investigate people likely to be lynched in an effort to prevent a mislynch? Or better to investigate someone who is likely to still be around at the end game?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 23, 2011 11:20:24 GMT -5
Who to investigate depends on the gamestate. Trite but true. As a Cop, so long as I remain hidden I'll probably try and build a list of players I know are Town, then claim and reveal at once. Judging the time to claim depends on a lot of factors. They include: - - The size of the unconfirmed pool.
- The number of players in the unconfirmed pool that you can clear.
- The level of suspicion on you.
- How likely you think it is that a killer will choose to target you Overnight.
- Whether you can help lynch a Mafiate or other threat to Town.
Basically, leave it as late as possible (so as to shrink the unconfirmed pool as much as possible and maximise the number of investigations) while avoiding both the lynch and Nightkills. To that end, a low level of suspicion on you is probably a good thing. So long as the Mafia think they've got a chance of getting you lynched, they're more likely to leave you alone; but as soon as they get a sniff of your role, you'll be dead. Investigating players you're suspicious of works better as the game progresses. By then, you're likely to have burned a few mislynches, and there will be some level of interaction between the subject and everyone else to lead to other Mafiates (if they're guilty). I deliberately didn't claim on Day 2 of Alice mafia, even though my N1 investigation was of a mafiate. I waited until the player I knew was Mafiate was one of the lynch candidates. It was a bit early for my tastes - I'd have preferred to wait until the next Day.
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 23, 2011 12:29:38 GMT -5
We know that Archangel was investigated, since she was cleared on Day 3. So, there is 1 more investigation out there.
Special Ed- I agree, but so far the scum have been killing at night. No action from the viglante, but I think that Ginger (the vig) might kill Captain out of frustration.
Personally, I would think that our cop should reveal as he gets more info when his life is in danger, but right now either action is truely fine with me. I wasn't trying to be scummish in that aspect of my play, I was just giving my honest opinion, since the cop was protected by the doctor.
texcat, you weren't on my list, but I just went with what the group wanted to do. Sorry to cut your game short.
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Post by texcat on Jul 25, 2011 9:12:27 GMT -5
WTF? Deni = Town? ?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jul 25, 2011 13:00:33 GMT -5
Yeah, how does that work? All scum are vanilla. Did you send fubbleskag a wrong result?
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Post by special on Jul 25, 2011 15:12:17 GMT -5
I was just coming in here to ask the same question.
Is this Meeko's mistake of fubble's?
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Post by special on Jul 25, 2011 15:25:55 GMT -5
if he'd investigated deni earlier, then the Vig would have had a shot at her. Captain inkies might still be alive. (Though maybe he would) Also, Deni might not have been able to swing the vote over to me, though. Though Deni was the second place vote getter, so what really would have happened is a mystery.
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Post by texcat on Jul 25, 2011 21:25:30 GMT -5
Huh. Meeko appeared to give a vote count. I presume he saw the questions here and in his PMs about Deni=town? So I am guessing that it must be fubbles' mistake. Ugh. Looks like it might be the doom of town.
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Post by special on Jul 26, 2011 1:58:15 GMT -5
Huh. Meeko appeared to give a vote count. I presume he saw the questions here and in his PMs about Deni=town? So I am guessing that it must be fubbles' mistake. Ugh. Looks like it might be the doom of town. yeah, because there's no way Deni won't make it to 3 handed, and the other 2 will vote for each other. It's really game over for Town.
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Post by special on Jul 26, 2011 3:38:09 GMT -5
well, not that it matters now, but I wonder if it was part of a master plan by fubble to see how people reacted....more likely he just messed up
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Post by texcat on Jul 26, 2011 7:22:10 GMT -5
I can't wait to hear from fubbles. The comment from storyteller about a godfather was probably the most suspicious. It certainly looks PISish.
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Post by guiri on Jul 26, 2011 16:57:52 GMT -5
Oh well, here I am... I enjoyed being VT for a change. Thanks for a fun game Meeko!
I hated the case against Trepa, a crappy way to find scum and an even crappier way to mislynch but it just seemed to fit: the PIS, the mod confirmation, the slip about different animals, the VT claim that matched mine but didn't fit with his comments, sorry Trepa.
FWIW the case against Moody just got stronger and stronger too, he was clearly not VT, was defended by Colby (well done!), seemed aware that there was no N0 communication, smudged left, right and center, who'd have thought he was a mason? The 31 point post was my frustration that he was getting no votes. I was convinced that Archangel was Town and couldn't see why no-one else was seeing what I was seeing (ahem).
What did Ginger and Pinkies do N2? I hope she didn't try to vig him, failed and then tried again N3. As he survived N2 I hoped he was either the Vig or the Doc. If he was the Doc, he self-protected and hopefully the Vig got the message and wouldn't try again. If he was the Vig, obviously he wasn't going to vig himself but would have become a target for scum.
At least I saw scumminess in Deni, before the vote switches, and CIAS, although his early bus threw me off and will buy him a little time. I hope their lack of participation wasn't a ploy. Gnarly's delay in voting Colby D2 caught my attention but I'd have glossed over it given his D1 vote - another good play.
I hope Fubbleskag's error was a ploy, I can see the logic in unsettling Deni's scum buddies and focusing Town's attention on the Day's lynch as long as he corrected himself before Dusk so the Vig had a clear shot. We'll hear toMorrow I suppose.
Participation has picked up a bit although Archangel hasn't come back yet.
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 3, 2011 1:10:40 GMT -5
So, do you guys think that scum has a chance of winning this game?
Personally, I think it all depends on whether CIAS gets lynched or not. That is the largest target, but all of the unconfirmed town are pretty suspicious, so scum could win, depending on the lynches and night kills.
So go scum!!
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 5, 2011 13:08:57 GMT -5
I definitely think scum could win, I should have kept my vote on CAIS
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 8, 2011 7:16:14 GMT -5
Meeko - you could have diplomatically sidestepped the issue by stating vig kills happen after the mafia kills.
However I don't think you stated that anyway so at this point I'd say the next logical step would be concurrent power activations. something like roleblockers first - doctors - than kills and everything else. that sort of thing.
Right now you're getting yourself into a quagmire of "oh god what do" that'll get the players focused - and angry - on you while the game takes a backseat.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 8, 2011 12:21:22 GMT -5
Meeko. don't get yourself into a tizzy about what the players think, it is your game after all, what you do is Law . I am really enjoying your game, or I was until I was mislynched lol, seriously, it's a good game and you should be proud of yourself. Stop stressing, you are doing a great job. BTW, my mate Deni won't tell me who the other scum are . Actually she won't cos I don't really want to know, I am still following the game closely and have to bite my tongue (fingers) not to say anything. Once again Meeko, your game is great and I would love to play another one that you envisage.
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Post by special on Aug 8, 2011 13:56:17 GMT -5
Meeko. don't get yourself into a tizzy about what the players think, it is your game after all, what you do is Law . I am really enjoying your game, or I was until I was mislynched lol, seriously, it's a good game and you should be proud of yourself. Stop stressing, you are doing a great job. BTW, my mate Deni won't tell me who the other scum are . Actually she won't cos I don't really want to know, I am still following the game closely and have to bite my tongue (fingers) not to say anything. Once again Meeko, your game is great and I would love to play another one that you envisage. you're in the spoiled thread and you don't know who the Scum are?
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 8, 2011 14:00:23 GMT -5
« Reply #15 Today at 12:58pm » Today at 5:26am, Meeko wrote: The difference in time was over 10 hours. I would love to know how a dead porcupine can shoot quills 10 hours later. It's extremely nonstandard to have realtime effects to night actions. They usually resolve at dawn. I can't remember the last time I was in a game where I had to beat another poster or my action wouldn't be carried out. Even if the appropriate posters know, it puts an added stress on them because they must race to get a night action in rather than spending the night to analyze the situation. Remember, that's the whole point of a night of a prescribed length. The Night Actors have that time to decide who to target. With your method, Night should simply end once all appropriate night actions are in. And anyway JBG sounds like she wasn't aware of an additional time constraint beyond the end of Night. I really agree with this though, I live in a totally different time zone to most of my fellow players and to be subjected to a time constraint would really upset me. If I had that role I might have to be awake at 4 am to put my comment in, soooo sorry for you (and me by the looks of things) I cannot do that. I agree with the players, all kills should be at the same time cos it isn't "real" time anyway. A night is NOT 48 hours. Sorry if I sound harsh but that's how I feel, ask Moody or Deni what I went through as a Mod XOXO
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Aug 9, 2011 8:21:32 GMT -5
Yeah well...
I didn't shoot to kill Cap on Nght 2, my thoughts were that with CAP in the game it was more people for the doc to hide in, plus it was really just ED calling for him to be NKilled. I choose not to kill. I vig'd him on Night 3, cause I really thought his actions were scummy. That was one of my reasons for taking my vote off him and placing it on ED (sorry!).
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 9, 2011 14:23:01 GMT -5
Yep, I am an idiot and I don't know who the scum are, please spell it out to me!!!!
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Aug 13, 2011 16:16:47 GMT -5
Yep, I am an idiot and I don't know who the scum are, please spell it out to me!!!! Gnarlycharlie is the only remaining scum. IF the rest of Town cannot figure out who is scum by the voting, it is clear as day at this point. At least I think it is knowing that Gnarly is Scum.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 14, 2011 11:14:06 GMT -5
Yep, I am an idiot and I don't know who the scum are, please spell it out to me!!!! Gnarlycharlie is the only remaining scum. IF the rest of Town cannot figure out who is scum by the voting, it is clear as day at this point. At least I think it is knowing that Gnarly is Scum. Be careful. Graveyard Bias can be blinding on that note.
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Post by CatInASuit on Aug 15, 2011 3:46:31 GMT -5
Well that was a fun game to play in, well done Meeko. I honestly wish I had had more time to enjoy it.
I think I'm getting better at being scum, I actually survived until Day 6, although I wonder if it would have been different if I had voted for colby on Day 2 instead of SubPlank.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 16, 2011 17:38:01 GMT -5
I think at this point the scum may very well win the game.
Interesting.
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Post by CatInASuit on Aug 17, 2011 3:48:25 GMT -5
If you want to know how much chance I thought we had of winning, I'll point out I didn't even realise we had no win con until Day 6.
Meeko, have you considered speeding the Days up with fewer players around?
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Post by guiri on Aug 17, 2011 4:02:24 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie's D1 and D2 votes on Colby seem to be sufficient to keep him alive in preference to Inner, Story and probably Suburban however if anyone goes back to look at Suburban in any detail, his vote record is much stronger:
Suburban D1: Voted Trepa 5th D2: Voted CatInASuit 3rd, was voted by CatInASuit and Colby as the alternative lynch candidate to Colby D3: Voted Special Ed 2nd D4: Voted Deni 1st, before mod reveal, unvoted after cop claim, revoted after mod reveal D5: Voted CatInASuit 1st D6: Voted CatInASuit 3rd D7: Voted Storyteller
They have to notice how both Colby and CatInASuit voted Suburban in an attempt to save Colby, not a very good strategy if Suburban is also scum, especially given CatInASuit's confusion.
I'm not seeing them lynch GnarlyCharlie before Storyteller, is the game really going to end on a 1 on 1 with a random tie breaker??? That would suck.
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Post by CatInASuit on Aug 17, 2011 4:51:42 GMT -5
They have to notice how both Colby and CatInASuit voted Suburban in an attempt to save Colby, not a very good strategy if Suburban is also scum, especially given CatInASuit's confusion. I would just like to make it clear here and now, I was not trying to save colby and would happily have bussed him. I honestly thought I had seen SubPlank making a major error and jumped on it. If I hadn't misread his post, I would have voted colby. Just shows what a lack of time can do.
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Post by guiri on Aug 17, 2011 5:10:03 GMT -5
I would just like to make it clear here and now, I was not trying to save colby and would happily have bussed him. I honestly thought I had seen SubPlank making a major error and jumped on it. If I hadn't misread his post, I would have voted colby. Just shows what a lack of time can do. I understand but would you have jumped on a scumbuddy Suburban for the same error in preference to your other scumbuddy Colby who was about to be lynched?
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