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Post by nesta on Oct 30, 2007 14:33:24 GMT -5
I don't have much of a roleclaim. I am Branden Shaw. Loke many others, I am a hardworking citizen of the Alliance who is Crew aligned. Hm. Maybe it isn't a scum tell then (unless you are scum). Unless I missed someone (and it's entirely possible I did since I came in late) no one but you and dnooman have claimed to be citizens of the Alliance, though. For what it's worth my PM didn't say anything about being a citizen of the alliance. I guess this is why everyone gave up on PM meta-gaming. Oh well, I still find Cat scummier than MHaye, so my vote stands for now.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 30, 2007 14:33:35 GMT -5
Would you care to provide a little further information on the hypotheses and things bothering you, that you were right/wrong about.
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Post by nesta on Oct 30, 2007 14:36:33 GMT -5
Would you care to provide a little further information on the hypotheses and things bothering you, that you were right/wrong about. Was that to me? My point is a little moot now that a second person has claimed to be an alliance citizen, but Cat would you mind clearing up if your PM said anything about you being an alliance citizen?
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Post by Death By Irony on Oct 30, 2007 14:40:28 GMT -5
Fortunately the mhaye reread went a lot faster than Cat's...having an accurate scumdar isn't necessarily scummy (look how on point our dearly departed Blaster Master was, way back on Day 1, even! Most of the people he's named in his suspicion list turned up scum), and I'm inclined to believe his roleclaim.
Therefore, on the basis of the (albeit minor) suspicion of Cat I mentioned earlier, vote CatInASuit.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 30, 2007 14:44:22 GMT -5
Since you ask.
When you joined in the Story / BlaM fight overwhether no killing was justified, i had the impression that you and BlaM were shouting at each other over nothing at first. I'd just started a reread when the hammer dropped. Since I could not substantiate the accusation, I decided not to state it. No names, no pack drill, and all that.
The other was Pygmy Rugger's attack on DarkCoolies over what I felt was a very slender "tell". Again, I could not substantiate it. I felt the point was so slender as to not support the accusation.
I decided not to publish that one because I didn't want to discourage people from bringing up that sort of issue in the future, just in case the next one was right.
Since we now know that both of those people were in fact scum, it would appear to be one of those cases where scumbuddies were more sensitive to slight slips on each other's parts. Maybe I should have pointed it out to ensure that the next time it happens, both hypotheses - genuine scum slip and two scumbuddies fighting - are given some thought.
I'm still trying to decide whether you are scummy enough to vote for, or whether to allow the Town to lynch me rather than risk killing off one of the few remaining power roles.
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Post by CatInASuit on Oct 30, 2007 14:44:46 GMT -5
Would you care to provide a little further information on the hypotheses and things bothering you, that you were right/wrong about. This one is for MHaye, as he is promised much and delivered little. A few notes on what he saw/suspected are always useful to help form ideas and work details out. My point is a little moot now that a second person has claimed to be an alliance citizen, but Cat would you mind clearing up if your PM said anything about you being an alliance citizen? Nope, my PM says nothing about being an Alliance citizen, but then I am not an Alliance citizen. I'm the pilot of the Serenity
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 30, 2007 15:44:51 GMT -5
Don't like it, mhaye, and it comes down to two things.
1) The only time the word "Alliance" appears in my role PM is in the win condition -- I win when "All Alliance are dead". If you're Alliance, then it seems to me I need you dead to win.
2) Errrr...damn. Ok, yes, I know, kind of 11th hour for this, but <gasp> yes, I have yet another ability. Suffice it to say that I wouldn't stake my life on mhaye being scum, but I have...well, let's call it "a very good feeling" about it.
Kinda late in the day for a full reveal, but I promise that'll come first thing toMorrow.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 30, 2007 15:54:57 GMT -5
Don't like it, mhaye, and it comes down to two things. 1) The only time the word "Alliance" appears in my role PM is in the win condition -- I win when "All Alliance are dead". If you're Alliance, then it seems to me I need you dead to win. We went through this on Day 1. I am an Alliance Citizen. So is 0to take another still-living roleclaim) dnooman aka Sherriff Bourne. My role PM states I am aligned with the Crew and win when all Alliance are dead. It appears from what some people have said that the PMs of people who have roles from the actual Crew are not "alliance xitizens." NAF did confirm this in Day 1, but it's probably in that black hole... Really? I'm Crew. Your feeling is about as reliable as my scumdar. We've still got 4½ hours. Lay it out?
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Post by nesta on Oct 30, 2007 15:55:09 GMT -5
Hal, wasn't the whole "alliance citizen" thing figured out Day 1 with a Mod clarification that alliance citizen doesn't necessarily equal scum? If not dnooman has some real explaining to do.
And I see you have a magic bag there. Care to give us even a little peek? If you have a good reason I could be convinced to hammer mhaye, but so far I haven't seen anything substantive enough to override my gut suspicion of Cat.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 30, 2007 16:00:52 GMT -5
*bh* *bh* *bh* *bh* *bh* Apparently my proofreading skillz are even more dysfunctional than my scumdar. We went through this on Day 1. I am an Alliance Citizen. So is (to take another still-living roleclaim) dnooman aka Sherriff Bourne. (snip) It appears from what some people have said that the PMs of people who have roles from the actual Crew are not "alliance citizens." Yet more italicised spelling corrections.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 16:13:00 GMT -5
]We've still got 4½ hours. Lay it out? You did your time conversion wrong, we only have 75 minutes left.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 30, 2007 16:18:01 GMT -5
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Dang. Must be the Ibuprofen.
Are you still on Daylight Saving then? That's 10:30 my time and Pacific time is 8 hours behind me.
*Cranks up thinking cap.*
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Post by Parzival on Oct 30, 2007 16:38:25 GMT -5
Hey people, we can't catch scum if you don't vote!
Either way the Day ends soon and I did want to make a comment before nightfall, since none of us knows if we'll be alive in the morning.
Regarding the Vig/second SK thing - I'm pretty sure that there's only one other killer, I'm just not certain which of them it is. A Vig would seem to be the most balancing from the start, but there may be a lot of blocking roles to counter the SK. Looking at the pattern of kills, it's harder to tell. People like diggitcamera and FCoD who didn't have much on them, and only later higher-profile players like storyteller. We did have one scum last night (assuming Klutz was killed by Alliance scum), but it's hard to see from the pattern which way it's pointing.
Hope we all make it through the night.
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Post by nesta on Oct 30, 2007 16:41:51 GMT -5
45 minutes left. Anyone have anything to add? Hal? Anyone thinking of a vote switch? It's getting a little too close to the deadline with a seeming deadlock for my tastes.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 30, 2007 16:50:07 GMT -5
Sorry, I can't do any convincing on this one.
Suffice it to say that I'll do a full reveal in the morning -- town benefits, scum hurts -- but doing it now would be premature.
I find mhaye scummier than CatInASuit, but I can't offer up anything new right now.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 17:07:48 GMT -5
23 minutes left. (based on the timestamp)
Synchronize your watches now.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 30, 2007 17:09:15 GMT -5
The only two people who have not voted are Whatthefrak and I. I'm not about to vote for myself right now. Even if we have to go through this again Tomorrow.
I considered Idle's suggestion that the mods are evil to the core and made the two Masons opposite alignments. I feel it very unlikely because the simplest explanation of the Night 2 kills is that DiggitCamara was killed by the SK, and I don't see the Alliance as being able to give the SK orders in the game.
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Post by nesta on Oct 30, 2007 17:19:56 GMT -5
MHaye, I don't know why you decided not to vote for CatInASuit, but you've basically made it impossible (or very unlikely) for anyone but you to get lynched. I've been trying to decide between leaving things at a deadlock since I find him more scummy than you, but I could be wrong about you, him, or both, and I think we need a lynch Today to move forward.
Hammer drop in 3... 2... 1...
Unvote CatInASuit
Vote MHaye
Here's hoping you are scum.
(Sorry if anyone else wanted to get a last word in, but 10 minutes is too close as it is.)
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 30, 2007 17:21:46 GMT -5
Decisions, decisions...
You won't like what happens.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 17:22:31 GMT -5
ok folks
That's the Day.
MHaye is lynched.
Night comming up, with a very special dusk post by a guest contributer.
Hold tight.
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