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Post by special on Sept 7, 2011 18:31:50 GMT -5
Elizabeth was bored. It was raining and she had no one to play with. It was no fun to visit her grandmother when she spent all her time cleaning and cooking and didn't even seem to think that reading out loud could be fun… she never considered playing a game together… No fun at all. All the books were for small children and all the toys were old and she'd already played with them a billion times. The garden was fun. There were a lot of hiding places and in the back there was a lovely little lake with frogs jumping and flowers growing. It was okay to play there. But not in the rain. When she complained earlier at breakfast, her grandmother had suggested that she could visit Sabrina next door and play with her. Sabrina was 6. What was her grandmother thinking? It would be more like babysitting than playing. In her rage she rushed out of her room and stomped her feet as she quickly made her way to the attic. She would stand no more. And if anyone thought she would just sit and take it - they would be proven wrong. The attic was dark and dusty. But Elizabeth had hidden some candles, a blanket and some apples in a small chest in the corner. The attic was filled with all kind of things, and Elizabeth loved to sit in great-grandfather William's old chair and read books in the soft candlelight. She reached down into the chest to get her blanket and felt something hard. She grabbed it and pulled it out to see what it was. It looked like an old notebook. The cover was all faded away and the pages had turned yellow with age. She open it and started to read: On August 3rd, 1952, Jack Finney took his dog Baboo out for a long walk through the quiet streets of Pleasanton, Ohio.
Since then we have heard nothing from him.She sat down in the chair. Pulled the blanket closer around her body and read on: Baboo is back. But I fear something horrible has happened to poor Jack. Everyone tells me that I am mistaken. But I have this sense that things are going to get worse. And I feel we are all in danger... Day 1 will last, oh, let's give it 4 Days because of the weekend. In all likelihood, future Days will be shorter, as this game is close to a mini. Day will end at about 6 PM Chicago time on September 11th.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 7, 2011 19:50:04 GMT -5
So my grandbaby, Lilster*, goes to a Farsi speaking day care provider and calls alll dogs baboo's because that's what the owner calls them. We were under the impression that Baboo means dog but when I look it up on all the inter-webs translators it does not. What am I missing here?
In other news
vote Peeks for being the last to check in and just because he's such a big Baboo.
*I have pictures and I'm not afraid to show them. RUN AWAY!!!!!
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Post by Paranoia on Sept 7, 2011 20:01:44 GMT -5
I will not flee due to pictures.
I will however Vote: Texcat just 'cause.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 7, 2011 20:03:02 GMT -5
Vote sturmhauke for killin' my d00dz.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 7, 2011 20:17:32 GMT -5
Wow, three joke votes right off the bat?
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Post by texcat on Sept 7, 2011 20:38:47 GMT -5
I don't know anything about Farsi, but in Hindi, Baboo is used as an honorific when addressing old men. In the movie, Gandi, they often addressed him as Baboo. Not that it has any connection to dogs in Ohio or Iran.
And be careful or I'll pull out pictures of my 4 grandchildren.
No vote from me....yet.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 7, 2011 20:42:38 GMT -5
vote story. i've got to get my groove back.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 7, 2011 20:48:49 GMT -5
I don't know anything about Farsi, but in Hindi, Baboo is used as an honorific when addressing old men. In the movie, Gandi, they often addressed him as Baboo. Not that it has any connection to dogs in Ohio or Iran. And be careful or I'll pull out pictures of my 4 grandchildren. No vote from me....yet. i thought baboo was that loveable bear thing that was real cuddly with mowgli. i kind of thought he came across as a pedophile. kind of like the weird uncle that wants you to sit on his lap after he has a couple of bourbons.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 7, 2011 20:54:00 GMT -5
i thought baboo was that loveable bear thing that was real cuddly with mowgli. i kind of thought he came across as a pedophile. kind of like the weird uncle that wants you to sit on his lap after he has a couple of bourbons. Wait a minute my uncles always wanted me to sit on their laps after they had a couple of bourbons. No, never mind, they weren't weird uncles. Just liked to drink bourbon and play with the kiddies.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 7, 2011 20:56:49 GMT -5
Aww, I liked Baboo. ♪The bare necessities, the simple bare necessities of life♫
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Post by Paranoia on Sept 7, 2011 21:38:20 GMT -5
Huh. I always thought he was saying "Bear" in that song.
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Post by Dirx on Sept 7, 2011 22:51:12 GMT -5
Alright, I guess I'll be the first to offer something of substance.
I never saw the first game, and I'm too lazy to go see what happened. So I'll just offer my thoughts as a newcomer.
We have a Nosy Reporter that knows the identities of the 4 other power roles. Given that the reporter can't be recruited, we can trust them to be truthful when confirming any power role claims. Then again, since 3 of the roles can be recruited, our confirmed pool drops down to 2 on Night 1, and those two will almost certainly be high priorities for the scum kill. So, I guess that doesn't really get us anywhere, unless those two are both alive closer to endgame.
Running the numbers, it looks like scum can't win before Night 4--that's with all recruits successful and no scum lynched. Given that there are two unrecruitable roles, and the possibility of sampled targets getting lynched before they turn, this win can be pushed back even further. And that's to say nothing of successfully lynching scum, blocked kills, and delayed recruitments.
As for watching for scummy behaviour... There's no one else for the MPP to interact with Today, so that's out, but they'll likely want to avoid getting any of their recruits lynched just yet. Not too safe bussing a teammate when you're not guaranteed the rest will show up yet, eh? It's not much too look out for, but it's something.
I think this will be a pretty interesting game.
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 8, 2011 1:07:20 GMT -5
So at the moment there is really only 1 scum and 4 potential scum. The MPP can only turn the first one on his list toNight. I hope I have that correct. ToDay is going to be a really hard day because there aren't going to be any scummy people to look for except the MPP.
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Post by Dirx on Sept 8, 2011 1:48:56 GMT -5
So at the moment there is really only 1 scum and 4 potential scum. Where are you getting 4? The posted role description and PM don't give a specific number of recruits.
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Post by guiri on Sept 8, 2011 2:24:18 GMT -5
So at the moment there is really only 1 scum and 4 potential scum. Where are you getting 4? The posted role description and PM don't give a specific number of recruits. What numbers did you run to deduce that scum couldn't win before N4? The original version of this game had the MPP select 4 recruits. There were 17 players.
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Post by Drain Bead on Sept 8, 2011 7:27:06 GMT -5
I'd like to see the math on that, if only because I'm math-impaired.
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Post by Dirx on Sept 8, 2011 11:19:25 GMT -5
What numbers did you run to deduce that scum couldn't win before N4? The original version of this game had the MPP select 4 recruits. There were 17 players. My crude notepade scribblings: d1 14-1 mislynch, recruit n1 12-2 nk d2 11-2 mislynch, recruit n2 9-3 nk d3 8-3 mislynch, recruit n3 6-4 nk d4 5-4 mislynch, recruit n4 3-5
1st number is Town, second is Scum. The numbers are for the start of the cycle they're listed for (so, 15 total players at start of Day 1, then we mislynch, and one gets recruited* so at the start of Night 1, there are 14 players, two of which are now scum). This assumes scum successfully recruits and kills every Night, and all lynches hit town. Coincidentally, there are 4 recruits in this scenario, but that's only because that's when scum outnumber town. I probably would have kept going otherwise. *I'm assuming that since the recruits were picked ahead of time, their recruitment happens at the start of the Night, so that the MPP can then communicate with the first recruit on Night 1 and not have to wait until afterwards. Please correct me if this happened differently in the other game.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 8, 2011 11:29:13 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px; "> Yesterday at 6:38pm, texcat wrote:<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" class="quote" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="100%"> I don't know anything about Farsi, but in Hindi, Baboo is used as an honorific when addressing old men. In the movie, Gandi, they often addressed him as Baboo. Not that it has any connection to dogs in Ohio or Iran.
And be careful or I'll pull out pictures of my 4 grandchildren.
No vote from me....yet. </td></tr></tbody></table> i thought baboo was that loveable bear thing that was real cuddly with mowgli. i kind of thought he came across as a pedophile. kind of like the weird uncle that wants you to sit on his lap after he has a couple of bourbons. That's Ba loo, not Baboo. I thought Sweet Baboo was what Ricky called Lucy (or the other way around). Dirx, I'll say that tentatively I can see where that makes sense.
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Post by sturmhauke on Sept 8, 2011 11:41:19 GMT -5
Vote: vote Drain Bead for being math-impaired.
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Post by sturmhauke on Sept 8, 2011 11:43:07 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm used to the GB custom tags.
vote Drain Bead
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Post by Dirx on Sept 8, 2011 12:04:30 GMT -5
That's Ba loo, not Baboo. I thought Sweet Baboo was what Ricky called Lucy (or the other way around). Dirx, I'll say that tentatively I can see where that makes sense. I think you're thinking of "babaloo," which is something he often sang, though maybe he also used it to refer to Lucy. Idunno. And tentative is good. I have a habit of making really stupid errors when I run numbers like that. In fact, I had to correct one as I posted it, though it didn't change the results any.
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Post by Drain Bead on Sept 8, 2011 12:19:58 GMT -5
vote peeker[/color]
I find it suspicious that nobody's done it yet.
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Post by special on Sept 8, 2011 12:23:33 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm used to the GB custom tags. vote Drain BeadThis tags work here as well, though you need to leave a space the tag and the words. it's because it's a word replacement workaround for the tags.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 8, 2011 13:41:05 GMT -5
[/color] I find it suspicious that nobody's done it yet.[/quote] Actually, the first post was sinjin voting for peeker. I find it suspicious you didn't see that. (Just kidding.) Since the first game had 17 people and the MPP could recruit 4, I'd say we're looking at 4 at most in a 15 person game. So Dirx's calculations look to be fairly correct. If we assume that there are four possible recruits, that means we have a 1 in 3 chance today of lynching either the MPP or a future pod person. Those aren't terrible odds.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 8, 2011 13:45:01 GMT -5
So then I guess the question becomes: who do we think is the MPP, and how do we think they went about selecting their targets? Since the targets are already selected is it worth speculating out loud some options?
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Post by Dirx on Sept 8, 2011 14:13:12 GMT -5
If I were the MPP, I'd pick players whose scum reputations I was familiar with, or who I'd otherwise want on my team. So, 100% metagamey reasons. Failing that, I'd go with more or less random selection. The latter won't help us figure anything out, and the former doesn't do much good unless we really know the MPP in question. I know most of the players here, but I'm familiar with only very few. If that makes any sense.
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Post by Paranoia on Sept 8, 2011 14:20:55 GMT -5
So then I guess the question becomes: who do we think is the MPP, and how do we think they went about selecting their targets? Since the targets are already selected is it worth speculating out loud some options? Actually this is a very good idea. Right now the MPP is looking at trying not to get lynched and hoping his recruits aren't lynched either, so theorizing about who s/he might recruit based on the player and looking at their interactions with said possible recruits would most likely be mighty informative.
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Post by guiri on Sept 8, 2011 15:00:38 GMT -5
So at the moment there is really only 1 scum and 4 potential scum. Where are you getting 4? The posted role description and PM don't give a specific number of recruits. Coincidentally, there are 4 recruits in this scenario, but that's only because that's when scum outnumber town. I probably would have kept going otherwise. @ Dirx, are you accusing Silver Jan of PIS? Your own numbers imply 1+4 scum. This assumes scum successfully recruits and kills every Night, and all lynches hit town. Coincidentally, there are 4 recruits in this scenario, but that's only because that's when scum outnumber town. I probably would have kept going otherwise. I probably would have stopped at 3 although thinking about the original game, there was a lower chance of attempting to recruit a non-recruitable so 4 may well be the case here too. *I'm assuming that since the recruits were picked ahead of time, their recruitment happens at the start of the Night, so that the MPP can then communicate with the first recruit on Night 1 and not have to wait until afterwards. Please correct me if this happened differently in the other game. The MPP was informed of the success of the N1 recruit at Dusk and, if successful, the recruit was given access to the scum board immediately so they could scheme.
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Post by guiri on Sept 8, 2011 15:15:43 GMT -5
So then I guess the question becomes: who do we think is the MPP, and how do we think they went about selecting their targets? Since the targets are already selected is it worth speculating out loud some options? I don't see any harm speculating on possible strategies for selection as a topic of conversation but it's WIFOM, what happens if everyone agrees that Bill would be the optimal N1 recruit? As for strategy, probably a mix of metagaming (of course, since the game hadn't started), as Dirx says, and random choice, just to avoid being too predictable.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 8, 2011 15:29:46 GMT -5
Well, that's just it. As MPP, I might even go with random.org, trying not to skew toward players I figured wouldn't survive Night One. I'm sure metagamey reasons play into it, but do you go for the players everyone seems to have a consensus on? (for example, Guiri, you and Ed would both be on my list of "players who make damn good scum") Or do you instead go for those who have a history of surviving to end game? Or something more Random, or do you avoid players who you know other people think you have a good or bad history with?
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