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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 25, 2011 11:12:14 GMT -5
Hi, I'm Rick Rothman and welcome back to Wedlock as we rejoin our contestants in the compound and I have to say that overnight we had some action.
Judging by the mess that our cleanups squads had to deal with, it appears that a couple of the huts are now pretty sticky having been redecorated overnight in hint of person.
Linda, show us the details.
The scoreboard comes up and two more faces are shown with crosses through them. Both the new borders are in blue.
Guiri was a member of the Blue Team
Silver Jan was a member of the Blue Team
Thank you kindly Linda, and there we have it folks two more of the Blue Team are down.
So, we shall see what happens today. Let's go over to the compound for the latest shots...
Day 2 Ends on Wed 30th at 20:00 GMT
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 11:20:49 GMT -5
Sister Coyote BillMc Special Ed scathach moodymitchy deni colby11 JustBeingGinger GnarlyCharlie Inner Stickler sinjin storyteller Drain Bead Caerie Pollux Oil Archangel Lightfoot PWIAG paranoia sachertorte
mahaloth lynched Day 1 deon, tag Lynched Day 1 Silver Jan NKed Night 1 Guiri NKed Night 1
20 alive/4 dead 3 town/1 scum
I think we can safely eliminate the possibility of each player being linked to an opposing alignment.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 11:22:27 GMT -5
Also, while it's possible that all four dead players were vanilla, I'm starting to think that we're getting alignment flips but not role flips.
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Post by guiri on Nov 25, 2011 11:25:26 GMT -5
Go Blue Team!
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 11:27:09 GMT -5
vote paranoia, in case I don't make it to toMorrow. Someone please go back and look at his post history, it's essentially nothing. I noted this earlier but couldn't talk due to fluff nights. I really hate posts like this because if you're actually in danger of a night kill, this is about as subtle as a boot to the face and if you're just a vanilla townie or something it makes you look like a drama queen. I assure you, if you had just left a vote for Paranoia with a comment that you want to review him the next day, if you turned up dead, someone would have picked up the torch.
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Post by Colby11 on Nov 25, 2011 11:45:24 GMT -5
Well, it seems that the collars DO work like we thought.... I was afraid of that....
Talking about the Night Kill, I think that Guiri was targeted as the night kill, and Silverjan was their partner. I say this because now the top 3 vote getters from Day 1 are now all dead, which is something that scum wouldn't want to do.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 11:59:57 GMT -5
Mahaloth (8): guiri [150], Pollux Oil [197], moodymitchy [216], Inner Stickler [218], gnarlycharlie [225], Drain Bead [226], storyteller0910 [231], scathach [233] Silver Jan (3): Caerie [163], sachertorte [180], Special Ed [193] Deon (3): JustBeingGinger [172], Lightfoot [181], Archangel [189], colby11 [221] Sister Coyote (1): Paranoia [38], Special Ed [146] Special Ed (1): moodymitchy [124], Sister Coyote [151] Caerie (1): Silver Jan [165] Sachertorte (1): Silver Jan [6], Deon [209] Archangel (1): JustBeingGinger [212] paranoia (1): sinjin [237] Inner Stickler (0): Drain Bead [115] Sinjin (0): Guiri [119] colby11 (0): sachertorte [128]
Well, colby, it would have worked either way. Unless lynches trigger collars but NKs don't and one or the other was the target of a third party.
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Post by Silver Jan on Nov 25, 2011 12:03:18 GMT -5
Good Luck Blues!!!!
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Post by sinjin on Nov 25, 2011 12:04:06 GMT -5
Well that's a bummer Jan and Guiri . And once again Jan was just being flakey Jan.
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Post by Colby11 on Nov 25, 2011 12:18:59 GMT -5
Really we have no clue based on the color. I guess it would be possible that we do have a vigilante, since Silverjan (the 2nd highest voter) is dead... I think either one could be true in this case.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 25, 2011 12:19:24 GMT -5
vote paranoia, in case I don't make it to toMorrow. Someone please go back and look at his post history, it's essentially nothing. I noted this earlier but couldn't talk due to fluff nights. I really hate posts like this because if you're actually in danger of a night kill, this is about as subtle as a boot to the face and if you're just a vanilla townie or something it makes you look like a drama queen. I assure you, if you had just left a vote for Paranoia with a comment that you want to review him the next day, if you turned up dead, someone would have picked up the torch. Given that we are all linked to another player and might get our heads blown off thru no fault of our own I thought it was expedient to be firm about my feelings. Further, I am not assured at all that if I had simply voted for Paranoia at end of day that someone would pick up the torch the next day. I refer you back to the last game on this board, which you and I both played, where town never looked back at the vote record. It was like every day was ground hog day with a couple of missing town. BRB with Paranoia's post history Day 1.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 25, 2011 12:49:59 GMT -5
In Paranoia's own word, there's a lot of "nattery" here, but no real substance.
vote Paranoia
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 25, 2011 13:15:40 GMT -5
Well I'm glad my thoughts on mahaloth paid off. It was interesting to read through and see how the mahaloth bandwagon took off.
It seems like we are going to lose two people every Day and Night. That's kind of a bummer, and this makes the game, in all probability, very very short. There's also a very slim margin for error here.
I'm going to take a look at the Silver Jan and Deon bandwagons that started before mahaloth's. Archangel's vote is the one that sticks with me the most (part of my eyeing the lurkers) since it was basically a me too without any other substance.
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Post by moodymitchy on Nov 25, 2011 13:33:29 GMT -5
Well if we are to assume that the 2 Night kills were as a result of one SCUM action... it shows that they are prepared to risk losing one of their own in order to get the numbers down.
But having said that. Surely for them there would come a point where (if they now how many are on their team).... they would know for sure that by placing a NK request would definitely mean that they would kill one of their own to...
Or is my thinking just off on that one?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 25, 2011 14:57:32 GMT -5
we are ignoring the possibility that NKs don't kill the linked player. it could have been an NK and a vig. Jan is usually thought as scummy so would have been a reasonable choice for a vig. guiri would then be the NK.
i think scathach brought up the idea first. NKs and vig kills can be considered 'manual' kills while collar deaths are 'automated.'
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 25, 2011 15:01:50 GMT -5
Well that sucks about Guiri and Jan. I have to go read the colour or rules to see if a NK triggers the collars or a lynching does in order to figure out if a 3rd party took out jan.
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 25, 2011 15:18:01 GMT -5
I'm no longer super keen on lynching CaerieD or Sister Coyote. CaerieD's clarification makes perfect sense to me. Sister Coyote I mainly want to lynch because Silver Jan is treating her differently than she treated me, which is insane of me. Obviously, Silver Jan should go first under this reasoning as my suspicion on Sister Coyote hinges on Silver Jan being scum. Silver Jan is still up in the air for me. I had her solidly in the Town column on Friday, but today things look so very different. I hate this. Special Ed is looking tasty today as well. His posts appear to be deliberately unhelpful. This isn't necessarily indication of scum and is possibly an artifact of his "new style," but I don't like it and I want to lynch him for it, if only to convince him to stop. I'm going offline soon and won't be back until just before end of Day (if at all). We are in a bit of a time crunch. I'll be offline for pretty much the rest of the Day and we haven't even had enough pressure on one player to force a claim yet. I doubt we will have a claim by the time I go offline. I'll try to get online early tomorrow to move my vote if necessary, but who knows what my inbox will have in store for me in the morning. Unvote: colby11 [/color] Vote: Silver Jan [/color][/quote] I want to talk about Caerie and Scath right now. Most of her posts seem helaciously back and forth on Jan - having her in her "town" reads while suddenly dropping them for no reason and voting Jan. There's also her... thing directed at ed asking him for an explanation for his Sis C vote, going something along the lines of "I don't see it can you explain why you're voting her?" There is also the bit where she was preoccupied with claims and not enough pressure for them and whatnot - I'm not sure how claims factor into if someone is suspicious or not, and his stance on Ed basically comes out as "I don't find them scummy but I would lynch them anyways just because it's annoying." Which... is a policy lynch more than lynching for scum, and policy lynches usually are the thing hammered over someone's head by scum. Caerie's posts directed at Silver Jan accusing her of trying to derail conversation. This... is a pretty easy accusation to make, and as long as someone comments on something else other then the main topic of discussion or commenting on how you don't like what's dominating the discussion at the time. It just feels like a push for an easy lynch and I want to lynch her for it. So currently those two are my top suspects. Vote: Caerie
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 15:18:29 GMT -5
CIAS has already said that a lynching will activate the wedlock collars as long as no impediment exists and has refused to comment on the effects of NKs. For the time being, until I see evidence that a vig exists, I'm assuming that NKs trigger the collars as well.
Pollux, I'm trying to decide if four kills a day makes a spllitting power more or less likely . I guess the only way we'll know is if we lynch someone and only one person goes.
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 25, 2011 15:19:30 GMT -5
EBWOP: and by scath I mean sachertorte.
too many similar s names to look at folks aaaah.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 15:20:46 GMT -5
Paraoia, what's the significance of the Sach quote in your post? Or do you mean that Caerie and Sach are your two top suspects rather than Caerie and Scath?
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 25, 2011 15:21:15 GMT -5
BEAT YOU TO THAT yeah.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 25, 2011 15:38:15 GMT -5
Well that sucks about Guiri and Jan. I have to go read the colour or rules to see if a NK triggers the collars or a lynching does in order to figure out if a 3rd party took out jan. Asked and not answered Day 1:
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Post by Caerie on Nov 25, 2011 16:05:09 GMT -5
Caerie's posts directed at Silver Jan accusing her of trying to derail conversation. This... is a pretty easy accusation to make, and as long as someone comments on something else other then the main topic of discussion or commenting on how you don't like what's dominating the discussion at the time. That's not quite what I said. I don't get particularly worried about votes against me, since other townies are going to be as in the dark and likely to make mistakes as I am, but for clarification purposes "derailing" wasn't my main concern, though I do mention it: Eh, maybe it's just townie flailing, but Silver Jan is still pinging my scumdar. I haven't seen much of substance in her play except what seems like attempts to derail conversation, so this is the best I've got for Day 1. She just wasn't saying much that made any sense. It was, like I said, verbal flailing. She turned out to be town, and died, which is really unfortunate. It doesn't magically make her previous posting history any less weird.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 25, 2011 16:12:29 GMT -5
Do we assume the pairings were randomly chosen prior to the game's beginning?
We know it's not the top 2 voted.
We know there are some red/blue pairings ( or can surmise such)
IF there is a Vig (or some other extra killer) then the Night Kills don't tell us much.
IF there are blue/blue pairings then it stands to reason that there are red/red ones too ( or I could be all wet)
the 2 IF's above could cancel each other out too
@ storyteller re: your comments about my vote and explanation on Deon since we ran out of Day for me to reply What I posted was the sum total of Deon's posts, I read it the way I read it. My post was being composed while JBJ posted her vote ( I was not aware of same at the time I was composing)
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 25, 2011 16:14:24 GMT -5
Well that sucks about Guiri and Jan. I have to go read the colour or rules to see if a NK triggers the collars or a lynching does in order to figure out if a 3rd party took out jan. Asked and not answered Day 1: The lynchee's collar will be activated on lynch. My ego's fine, but my shoulders could use some work. No comment BTW.[/quote][/quote] Thanks! I didn't think that there was a definite answer to the NK, I just was not sure. For me, I am really leaning towards a NK and a Vig kill. If the collars would take out 2 on a lynch and 2 on a NK, it would be a very very short game. I know that Jan took a lot of heat yesterday over how she was acting.
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Post by special on Nov 25, 2011 19:45:52 GMT -5
Well if we are to assume that the 2 Night kills were as a result of one SCUM action... it shows that they are prepared to risk losing one of their own in order to get the numbers down. But having said that. Surely for them there would come a point where (if they now how many are on their team).... they would know for sure that by placing a NK request would definitely mean that they would kill one of their own to... Or is my thinking just off on that one? are you assuming that the Scum do not know how people are linked?
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 25, 2011 20:13:07 GMT -5
Well if we are to assume that the 2 Night kills were as a result of one SCUM action... it shows that they are prepared to risk losing one of their own in order to get the numbers down. But having said that. Surely for them there would come a point where (if they now how many are on their team).... they would know for sure that by placing a NK request would definitely mean that they would kill one of their own to... Or is my thinking just off on that one? are you assuming that the Scum do not know how people are linked? I don't know about mitchy, but I am leaning that way myself
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Post by special on Nov 25, 2011 20:57:49 GMT -5
are you assuming that the Scum do not know how people are linked? I don't know about mitchy, but I am leaning that way myself and using what as evidence?
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 25, 2011 21:28:43 GMT -5
I don't know about mitchy, but I am leaning that way myself and using what as evidence? Taking into consideration all the info we have so far It's just the way I am leaning Mr Ed
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 25, 2011 21:33:54 GMT -5
I dunno about Ed, but until I see a dead scum and a dead townie some morning, I'm in worst case mode and assuming scum know who they're connected to.
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