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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 15:59:13 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jan 12, 2012 15:59:13 GMT -5
It's a bright sunny morning in the quaint little town. But that's all about to change, a perhaps justified lynch mob seems to be forming...
It is now Day One. The Day will end at the latest on Tue Jan 17.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 16:53:28 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 12, 2012 16:53:28 GMT -5
Ok, just so everyone is clear on this, the only role reveals we trust are the ones that Pleo posts, what 2 Days later? Not any reveals that happen immediately upon lynching. Those are suspect.
Also, last game some devious meta-gamers decided that based on his previous track record of asking for wolf roles, Ed was probably a wolf and decided to lynch him. Turns out they were right. My question is: dare we bet on red again?
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 17:06:29 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jan 12, 2012 17:06:29 GMT -5
Was this before Ed's new play style? Regardless, it seems like a pretty feeble reason to bet on red to me, but something to keep in mind.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 17:12:01 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 12, 2012 17:12:01 GMT -5
Way before.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 17:20:39 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 12, 2012 17:20:39 GMT -5
Ok, just so everyone is clear on this, the only role reveals we trust are the ones that Pleo posts, what 2 Days later? Not any reveals that happen immediately upon lynching. Those are suspect. Not quite. Pleo's timetable has two reveals. The first reveal is the dead player's faction - Town, Werewolf, UNdead or Cabal - and comes one full Day and Night after the player's death. The second reveal comes two full Days and Nights after the player's death, and reveals the player's role - for example Detective, Alpha Wolf, Necromancer or Cabalist (assuming that there is no differentiation within the Cabal, which was the case in C2, C3 and C4). These two reveal s are trustworthy. Any other (including results announced by the Coroner, if there is one) could be meddled with. Also note, if a player is to be resurrected, it will happen at the time their faction would be announced, and the faction will not be announced. I wouldn't assume a player who asked for Wolf last time will ask for it again. They might have done, though.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 17:42:10 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 12, 2012 17:42:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't assume a player who asked for Wolf last time will ask for it again. They might have done, though. So you're saying that Ed either did or did not ask for a Wolf role? I suppose at this point that's probably as good a basis for a vote as any other though, isn't it?
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 17:53:02 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 12, 2012 17:53:02 GMT -5
That is a bit wishy-washy, isn't it?
What it comes down to is that there is no basis for either answer; although it's certain that Ed either did or did not ask for a Wolf role, we have no way of knowing which one right now.
So it is no basis for a vote at all.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 18:09:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 18:09:23 GMT -5
Ok, just so everyone is clear on this, the only role reveals we trust are the ones that Pleo posts, what 2 Days later? Not any reveals that happen immediately upon lynching. Those are suspect. Also, last game some devious meta-gamers decided that based on his previous track record of asking for wolf roles, Ed was probably a wolf and decided to lynch him. Turns out they were right. My question is: dare we bet on red again? heh. I've learned my lesson. In the first game I played (C3), I didn't ask for a role and was given Alpha Wolf. I made a mess of it. (think..Ed & Meeko) I wanted to make good, so I asked for it in the second game I played (C4). And, for the record, there was some discussion about people picking roles like me and storyteller, but I don't think anyone took action based on it. In that second game, I was investigated by the witches on Night 1 and then reported on by an outed witch. So I don't think any metagame came into play. I don't think I played poorly. In fact, I just read my Day 2, and I think it was half-awesome for an outed Wolf. I will admit that I set a list of preferences that included every single role in the game. I will also tell you that I even listed Zombie above and Wolf role, telling Pleo that I would rather be already dead than be a wolf. I won't post that list, but I do find it interesting that I didn't get my 1st or 2nd choice. Not that you'll have any reason to believe me, but there it is.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 18:31:22 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 12, 2012 18:31:22 GMT -5
I will admit that I set a list of preferences that included every single role in the game. I will also tell you that I even listed Zombie above and Wolf role, telling Pleo that I would rather be already dead than be a wolf. I won't post that list, but I do find it interesting that I didn't get my 1st or 2nd choice. Not that you'll have any reason to believe me, but there it is. Oooh... is this is like one of those logic puzzles? 1. Ed would rather be a Zombie than a Wolf 2. Ed did not get his first or second choice 3. ...if only I could think of a third item for this list...
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 12, 2012 18:38:59 GMT -5
I will say that I have played in (I think) three Conspiracy games, and never once did I make a role request. I prefer randomness.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 18:50:03 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 12, 2012 18:50:03 GMT -5
I made a request to Pleonast to be Town (since I don't like being scummy roles) and lo and behold, I am Town, although I know that accounts for fuck-all right now. Take it as you will.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 19:08:30 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 12, 2012 19:08:30 GMT -5
Whatever you say, you dirty cabalist.
(Look, I try not to hold grudges, but really, I'm a very petty person.)
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 19:27:54 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 12, 2012 19:27:54 GMT -5
I will say that I have played in (I think) three Conspiracy games, and never once did I make a role request. I prefer randomness. This is my first game of conspiracy I've played. And I didn't make a request, preferring randomness as well.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 20:19:17 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jan 12, 2012 20:19:17 GMT -5
I don't think I've played in any of these conspiracy games, unless I died very early. I've never played in a game that allowed "requested" roles. I rather figured Pleo just asked for requests, analyzed what people wanted them, and then mixed them all up kind of randomly, anyway. Or even put people in the opposite of what they request just to watch it play out.
In the past games, did he actually give out the roles that were requested?
I made zero request for a specific role as well, by the way. I prefer to just let whatever happens, happen.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 20:50:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 20:50:23 GMT -5
I don't think I've played in any of these conspiracy games, unless I died very early. I've never played in a game that allowed "requested" roles. I rather figured Pleo just asked for requests, analyzed what people wanted them, and then mixed them all up kind of randomly, anyway. Or even put people in the opposite of what they request just to watch it play out. In the past games, did he actually give out the roles that were requested? I made zero request for a specific role as well, by the way. I prefer to just let whatever happens, happen. When I made my request in C4, I requested: 1. Alpha Wolf 2. Cabal 3. Scotsman 4. Magician I got Alpha Wolf.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 21:05:44 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 12, 2012 21:05:44 GMT -5
I will admit that I set a list of preferences that included every single role in the game. I will also tell you that I even listed Zombie above and Wolf role, telling Pleo that I would rather be already dead than be a wolf. I won't post that list, but I do find it interesting that I didn't get my 1st or 2nd choice. Not that you'll have any reason to believe me, but there it is. Oooh... is this is like one of those logic puzzles? 1. Ed would rather be a Zombie than a Wolf 2. Ed did not get his first or second choice 3. ...if only I could think of a third item for this list... 3. Ask Opal?
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 21:35:53 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 12, 2012 21:35:53 GMT -5
I haven't the foggiest. I didn't really pay attention to how closely people's roles matched up with their requests.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:03:49 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 22:03:49 GMT -5
I will admit that I set a list of preferences that included every single role in the game. I will also tell you that I even listed Zombie above and Wolf role, telling Pleo that I would rather be already dead than be a wolf. I won't post that list, but I do find it interesting that I didn't get my 1st or 2nd choice. Not that you'll have any reason to believe me, but there it is. Oooh... is this is like one of those logic puzzles? 1. Ed would rather be a Zombie than a Wolf 2. Ed did not get his first or second choice 3. ...if only I could think of a third item for this list... Zombie isn't really a role you choose in this game. Necromancers create Zombies from the already dead people.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:11:03 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 12, 2012 22:11:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't assume a player who asked for Wolf last time will ask for it again. They might have done, though. So you're saying that Ed either did or did not ask for a Wolf role? I suppose at this point that's probably as good a basis for a vote as any other though, isn't it? bout as good as saying you could be undead, cabal, wolf or townie. fuck, i've got a three in four chance of it being good for town.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:11:36 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jan 12, 2012 22:11:36 GMT -5
Oooh... is this is like one of those logic puzzles? 1. Ed would rather be a Zombie than a Wolf 2. Ed did not get his first or second choice 3. ...if only I could think of a third item for this list... Zombie isn't really a role you choose in this game. Necromancers create Zombies from the already dead people. And from this, we can surmise that Burb is likely not a Necromancer. Fat lot of good that does us, of course. But it's an interesting potential data point.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:17:55 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 12, 2012 22:17:55 GMT -5
I made a request to Pleonast to be Town (since I don't like being scummy roles) and lo and behold, I am Town, although I know that accounts for fuck-all right now. Take it as you will. my limited experience (and probably more anecdotal than provable) is that pleo does a fair job of matching requested roles with actual roles. now having said that the only thing this does is help folks that know other folks (i.e. cabal and wolf). they will be able to compare requested roles, if any, and actually assigned roles and be able to determine whether pleo is following precedent or whether we are in uncharted waters. regardless sharing your requested role can only be beneficial to two of the three sets of bad guys (non town).
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:19:45 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 12, 2012 22:19:45 GMT -5
Zombie isn't really a role you choose in this game. Necromancers create Zombies from the already dead people. And from this, we can surmise that Burb is likely not a Necromancer. Fat lot of good that does us, of course. But it's an interesting potential data point. Actually, I was merely repeating Ed's own words: I will admit that I set a list of preferences that included every single role in the game. I will also tell you that I even listed Zombie above and Wolf role, telling Pleo that I would rather be already dead than be a wolf. So either Ed listed among his choices a role that he cannot possibly be assigned, or he's not being entirely upfront with us. Shocking thought, isn't it? Yeah, I could have said that, but I knew somebody else would go there
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:20:39 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 12, 2012 22:20:39 GMT -5
Zombie isn't really a role you choose in this game. Necromancers create Zombies from the already dead people. And from this, we can surmise that Burb is likely not a Necromancer. Fat lot of good that does us, of course. But it's an interesting potential data point. dangerous fucking assumption. burby[/c] can be a doofus but is also as slippery as a greased pig.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:21:16 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 12, 2012 22:21:16 GMT -5
ebwop:
burby damnit.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:35:07 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 22:35:07 GMT -5
So either Ed listed among his choices a role that he cannot possibly be assigned, or he's not being entirely upfront with us. Yes, I asked for a role I couldn't have above wolf. I really really really didn't want to be a wolf. I told Pleo that I'd rather be dead than be a wolf.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:39:13 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 22:39:13 GMT -5
regardless sharing your requested role can only be beneficial to two of the three sets of bad guys (non town). Wolves might be able to figure things out. Cabal might be able to figure things out. Undead really need to figure out their teammates, don't they? As for Town, it could help a freemason. The witches can talk with each other. Witchdoctors might really benefit from knowing a role. Anyone would benefit from figuring out the Vampires. Hell, just about everyone can benefit in some way from figuring out who other players are.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:40:48 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 22:40:48 GMT -5
Didn't we have a game once where a non-player started the game as a Zombie? I seem to remember Hoopy being a Zombie even though he wasn't playing.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:47:40 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jan 12, 2012 22:47:40 GMT -5
Yes, I asked for a role I couldn't have above wolf. I really really really didn't want to be a wolf. I told Pleo that I'd rather be dead than be a wolf. You asked for a role you couldn't have above wolf? What do you mean?
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:53:03 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jan 12, 2012 22:53:03 GMT -5
I find it strange that there seem to be a lot of people who say that they didn't request anything specific, and yet Ed claims he did, and did not get his first or second choices. I am assuming that someone is not telling the truth here. I trust Pleo when he said he would accomodate choices as best he could. So, if Ed is telling the truth, there are obviously some people who also requested Ed's first and second choices, and either we have not heard from them, or they are fibbing. Or, Ed is fibbing about his choices and/or role.
For myself, I did not request any specific role or faction, but instead, said there were a few roles that I did not want to have.
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Day One
Jan 12, 2012 22:57:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 12, 2012 22:57:14 GMT -5
Yes, I asked for a role I couldn't have above wolf. I really really really didn't want to be a wolf. I told Pleo that I'd rather be dead than be a wolf. You asked for a role you couldn't have above wolf? What do you mean? Here's the end of my request list to Pleo
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