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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:09:07 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 16:09:07 GMT -5
I was referring to previous games where I'd voted you early on and you flipped scum. Apart from the most recent game we've played together, it seems you're always scum. Mahaloth is always scum? Really? No, not always, for example he wasn't in the last game. Did you read the post you quoted?
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:11:54 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jan 16, 2012 16:11:54 GMT -5
Vote Boozahol
Vote GingerI don't support voting for people who make distracting posts. I see other votes for peeker, but based on something. Except Catinasuit, who just voted all of us. vote CatinASuitVoting all of us is, to me, a way to look like having a vote out there but not really. I see you unvoted three people, but still. So you voted for Boozahol for what reason? At least I gave a reason to vote for Peeker In fact I am pretty sure that in all your posts you don't ever mention Boozahol. I was not asking you to support me by any means, but is that a reason to vote me? Vote Mahaloth
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:12:13 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 16:12:13 GMT -5
It's just two right now. You have to remember* that they can get more by resurrecting the dead. This post makes me curious. I interpreted colby's post as a hypothetical on whether 2 active undead would be at a disadvantage. (And when I say active, I mean actual players a la Vampires/Necromancers, as Zombies don't really affect the playing field apart from the win condition.) But the "right now" portion of your post makes it seem like you're not talking hypothetical. Care to explain? Still curious? No vote?
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:26:26 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 16:26:26 GMT -5
Cabalists, OTOH, are always eager for Lynching as long as they're the meek unlikely-to-be-lynched sort. They are happy to see a Town Power go down. Actually, cabalists really only want to see the witches go down. They need to work with town to kill off the undead and wolves, since both town and cabal need the other two factions dead to win. Also, (barring secret roles) lynching cabal is only required for town to win if at least two witches are dead. Otherwise, the entire cabal can be living and town can win once undead and wolves are dead. And witches are pretty much unlynchable. Would you say that Cabal are the lowest priority for Town right now?
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:28:42 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 16:28:42 GMT -5
My apologies for getting in late, having sum pc problems this week, will catch up on the game by tomorrow and play along :-) How's that catch up going?
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:42:00 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jan 16, 2012 16:42:00 GMT -5
Don't forget, if you have an active Day power, you need to PM me your target before the end of the Day. That's in about 22 hours. Check your role or PM me if you're unsure about your power.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:44:13 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 16:44:13 GMT -5
Okay, just going back and making a few comments on some things before my role claim. First is Hoopy's reasoning for voting for me (which was the first vote I got): [/color] For another nonsensical statement. If you are a wolf or cabal, the other wolves and cabal would know whether you are telling the truth or not, because you wouldn't be. And if you are town, they know you aren't a member of their respective faction, so they would know you are more apt telling the truth than you aren't. [/quote] I had replied to this with this post: How is it nonsensical? Seems to me the definition of WiFoM is trying to figure out what others would do when they have a choice about something. Unless I'm wrong about that? So, let me sum up: -I say that I asked Pleo to make me town and give me a specific role. I then say that he did both of these things. -I make mention that the above is WiFoM for everyone else (since Pleo might not have given me the role that I asked for--it's only everyone elses' guess whether Pleo would do that or not). -You vote for me when I try to explain it better to someone else. That really doesn't make a lot of sense. You have very weak reasoning. ...and I must say again: I think this is one of the weakest, most ridiculous reasons for voting for someone. Seriously, you're either very misguided town, or you're scum looking for an easy kill. You are the person I'm most suspicious of right now, because you don't really have a good reason for voting for me other than just making up a really lame reason. I feel this is anti-town and that you were trying to get an early bandwagon going. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And then there's this whole steaming pile of crap from Janet: Vote Idle ThoughtsI find that he is really pushing the fact that he is Town I made a request to Pleonast to be Town (since I don't like being scummy roles) and lo and behold, I am Town, although I know that accounts for fuck-all right now. Take it as you will. This is the second time he says he is Town, it’s as if by saying it enough times it becomes fact. Now for number three Because it seemed relevant to the discussion? People were talking about if they requested a role and if they got it. Why wouldn't I weigh in with my own experience? Non-Town don't know whether I'm telling the truth or not (or other Town for that matter). Of course some Non –Town would know whether you are telling the truth or not, it’s only Town that doesn’t know what you are. [/quote] Janet, I really like you as a person, but I have to say, as a mafia player, you're not all that good. For one, you're a CONSTANT "Me too-er". It's like you can never have your own original thoughts, you can only say what others have already said. You've done this in many past games... ..for two, you don't even know what you're talking about some of the time. You make posts that make no sense, you often have to be told or explained something over and over and over, five, six times (and even then, you still don't get it sometimes). For three, you're all over the board. You switch your votes like the winner is the person who switches votes the most. All of this isn't just in this game, I've noticed it in a lot of games. I don't think it means you're scum..I just think it means you're bad at playing mafia. Take the quoted post above. You're basically voting on me because I said I'm town. Uh, yeah. What else am I going to say?! I mean, what do you want me to say? I haven't done a single thing wrong in saying I'm Town, yet you use that for a reason to vote. That's a reason even weaker than Hoopy's reason. I don't really believe you know what the heck you're talking about or the logic behind it, I think you're just voting because "Ooh, shiny button! And I need a vote..so let's just vote on this guy for stupid reasons". Seriously, voting for someone just because they say they're Town? That's just foolish. Again, I don't think it's because you're scum, though... As in, I'm not suspicious of this vote the way I am with Hoopy, because I think it comes more from just not being used to how to play mafia yet rather than a cunning scum plan. Hopefully I'm not hurting your feelings by typing all this..like I said, you're a good friend and I like you as a person (and I think you're very smart and clever)...but man, playing with you is like pulling teeth sometimes, heh. Not that I'm any better. I'm sure many members would liken playing with me like pulling teeth, so again, don't feel bad. -------------------------------------------------------------------- So that all leads me to my claim. I'm a Witch.Town may actually lose this time. I mean, a Witch is forced to claim on Day One. And don't tell me I'm not "forced" to. I'm tied at 8 or 9 with the most votes and Day ends tomorrow..I'd say that was pretty much in the hot spot for being lynched. Not to mention I'm not going to be online much for the rest of today or early tomorrow, so no better time than the present to claim. I don't blame anyone for voting on me due to the misread (on thinking there were 2 undead confirmed), but that's really what happened. I thought Colby (and Ed) were saying it was confirmed (where they got it from, I didn't know...I assumed it was somewhere in the rules that I missed---Lord knows I've missed things in the rules before---but I figured if two people were confirming it, it was probably the case). I now (too late) realized it wasn't confirmed, that it was just one of the things they were saying COULD be the case. However, a few things: In all the Conspiracy games that I remember, there's always been two Undead to begin with. For those of you thinking it was a slip: Uh, how and why? If I were Undead, I wouldn't be sure of how many Undead there were. Hell, if I were ANY faction, I wouldn't be sure. So how in the hell could me saying there were two undead in the game be perfect info? No faction knows how many undead there are in the game, as far as I know (now). I'm telling you, it wasn't a slip. It was just dummy Idle Thoughts thinking Colby and Ed were confirming there were 2 undead. Anyway, have at it.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:47:54 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 16:47:54 GMT -5
So anyway, going back to the "Asking Pleonast for role requests". I asked to be Town. Barring that, I asked to be a Witch specifically, if it was available/open.
My history of Conspiracy has been: Witchdoctor, Traveling Priest, Vicar, and Cabalist. Witch was a role I had never been before and have always wanted to try out. Hence why I asked Pleo to make me one if he could.
And he did.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 16:53:44 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 16:53:44 GMT -5
Unvote Idle
Vote Mahaloth
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 17:14:16 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 16, 2012 17:14:16 GMT -5
@ Idle, actually you have upset me. In the last game we played together you were scum and you went after me then too so I don't give a flying fuck what you say your role is now.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 17:20:38 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jan 16, 2012 17:20:38 GMT -5
I had the weirdest feeling a little while ago that you were going to claim Witch Idle. I have no idea where it came from.
Unvote: Idle Vote: Mahaloth Vote:
Back to my next most suspicious person.
Oh and regarding your comment about Town losing because a Witch claimed Day 1? For shame sir, for shame. Last game, which you were in Mr. I'm a Scotman oh wait I'm not, had TWO witches claiming Day 1. Town somehow managed to win that one.
Scathach, it was either the last Conspiracy or the one before that. There were 2 necromancers and 2 vampires. The Undead secret power was that each Vampire knew the name of one of the Necromancers, presumably in the hopes that they would avoid killing them like happened in an even earlier Conspiracy.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 17:21:13 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jan 16, 2012 17:21:13 GMT -5
Weird. Not sure what happened there.
Vote: Mahaloth
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 17:28:44 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 17:28:44 GMT -5
@ Idle, actually you have upset me. In the last game we played together you were scum and you went after me then too so I don't give a flying fuck what you say your role is now. Exactly. Because you're a bad mafia player. If you were a good mafia player, you'd know it was stupid to keep your vote on a claimed Witch. The chances are greater that I'm telling the truth since I have a possible TWO OTHER PEOPLE that could back me up...so claiming Witch would be kind of dumb for scum to try this early. Not that they haven't done it or wouldn't ever try it... but why would you take that chance that I could be telling the truth? A person good at mafia would most likely change their vote unless they have SERIOUS and STRONG and GOOD reasons for keeping their vote in place. You're just holding your vote in place because of anger/being upset now. You can't let your being upset cost you the game (if you're Town---but who knows? Maybe you aren't).
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 17:30:41 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 17:30:41 GMT -5
You don't think I've ever been upset at others comments or actions in this game? Hell, I'm probably the person MOST been upset, in the past, due to comments/actions. Just ask anyone who has ever played with me in a ton of games.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 17:53:46 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 17:53:46 GMT -5
I think SilverJan is great fun to play with. The chances are greater that I'm telling the truth since I have a possible TWO OTHER PEOPLE that could back me up...so claiming Witch would be kind of dumb for scum to try this early. Would it really be that dumb if you were going to be lynched anyway?
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:04:24 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 18:04:24 GMT -5
I don't disagree. I think it's fun to play with her, too, overall. But damn, voting for someone for the reason that they said they're Town? I'd think that was a crappy reason if ANYONE used it. I think it'd be dumb on the basis that I don't think it would work. Obviously all three Witches would know the person is lying, so that'd probably be three for sure votes after the claim (if they weren't voting already). So yeah, I think it'd be dumb to attempt...that's just me, though, YMMV. If I were scum hoping for another day and saw I was in the lead with votes, I'd claim something like Vicar or Witchdoctor. Those are powerful roles (in my opinion) and nobody else would know if you were or weren't telling the truth.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:04:32 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 16, 2012 18:04:32 GMT -5
@ Idle, actually you have upset me. In the last game we played together you were scum and you went after me then too so I don't give a flying fuck what you say your role is now. You don't care that he's claimed witch? According to the rules, it seems like there needs to e 3 witches who are aware of each other if any exist. Every game so far has had 3 witches. I suppose it's possible to start with just 2 or even 4, but 1 doesn;t make sense, so he's somewhat like alconfirmable mason at this point. Vote: Silver Jan
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:06:28 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 18:06:28 GMT -5
@ Idle, actually you have upset me. In the last game we played together you were scum and you went after me then too so I don't give a flying fuck what you say your role is now. You don't care that he's claimed witch? According to the rules, it seems like there needs to e 3 witches who are aware of each other if any exist. Every game so far has had 3 witches. I suppose it's possible to start with just 2 or even 4, but 1 doesn;t make sense, so he's somewhat like alconfirmable mason at this point. Vote: Silver Jan [/color][/quote] Says the person still voting for me, as well.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:12:46 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 16, 2012 18:12:46 GMT -5
You don't care that he's claimed witch? According to the rules, it seems like there needs to e 3 witches who are aware of each other if any exist. Every game so far has had 3 witches. I suppose it's possible to start with just 2 or even 4, but 1 doesn;t make sense, so he's somewhat like alconfirmable mason at this point. Vote: Silver Jan [/color][/quote] Says the person still voting for me, as well. [/quote] heh heh I was getting there. Unvote: Idle thoughts
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:14:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 16, 2012 18:14:26 GMT -5
I don't disagree. I think it's fun to play with her, too, overall. But damn, voting for someone for the reason that they said they're Town? I'd think that was a crappy reason if ANYONE used it. I think it'd be dumb on the basis that I don't think it would work. Obviously all three Witches would know the person is lying, so that'd probably be three for sure votes after the claim (if they weren't voting already). So yeah, I think it'd be dumb to attempt...that's just me, though, YMMV. If I were scum hoping for another day and saw I was in the lead with votes, I'd claim something like Vicar or Witchdoctor. Those are powerful roles (in my opinion) and nobody else would know if you were or weren't telling the truth. However, votes you got afterwards could be telling if you weren't a Witch... Also forcing a witch to counterclaim is better than just dying.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:16:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 16, 2012 18:16:13 GMT -5
<snipped> heh heh. that's three or none. i think i have two more. but crap 5 or 6 of 25 confirmed on D1 seems fucking odd. i need to run the numbers for a bit.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:17:48 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 16, 2012 18:17:48 GMT -5
Yes, but again, I'm the sort of player who thinks it'd be dumb of Witches to counterclaim a false claim...so I wouldn't have expected that to work.
Thus, if you look at it from my mindset's point of view, I'm telling the truth.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:19:00 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 16, 2012 18:19:00 GMT -5
please no other witches say shit untill we knock this around a bit.
and i ain't a witch for the fools.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -5
@ Peeker, you've confused me. What numbers do you need to run?
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:22:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 16, 2012 18:22:48 GMT -5
Yes, but again, I'm the sort of player who thinks it'd be dumb of Witches to counterclaim a false claim...so I wouldn't have expected that to work. Thus, if you look at it from my mindset's point of view, I'm telling the truth. gd, idle i am inclined to believe you but this kind of simplicity is not real helpful. a fucking not town false claiming witch to suss other witches out is perhaps beneficial to your, if you are lyning, team but it fucking helps others even more. jeebuz, even you aren't that myopic.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:24:01 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 16, 2012 18:24:01 GMT -5
neta: and sorry folks. but if we are going back to grade school it might be helpful for some of the crowd to just be real basic.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:28:06 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 16, 2012 18:28:06 GMT -5
@ Peeker, you've confused me. What numbers do you need to run? this one pisses me off. vote guiri[/color. c'mon dude you know the score if idle is telling the truth. to suggest otherwise is duplicitous at best. to approach it the way you are is a fucking expedtion that, while i would like to engage in, is one that others may be unprepared for. that's the only prayer that non town for a long term victory.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:34:28 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 16, 2012 18:34:28 GMT -5
please if idle is telling the truth don't other witches say shit. you'll have to trust me on this one. i'll be back to explain why but i've got to take little little to piano lessons so am short on time.
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:39:01 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 16, 2012 18:39:01 GMT -5
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Day One
Jan 16, 2012 18:53:05 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 16, 2012 18:53:05 GMT -5
So, having read through the Day, I'm coming away with this:
Boozy's vote on peeker. For being disruptive. Now, where peeks is occasionally hard to follow, he's a lot less disruptive than other folks I can think of; and he's usually a pretty darn good player -- accurate, if hard to parse, in his arguments.
Vote: Vote: peeker
Also, I have to agree that I'm a little baffled by Idle's certainty about the number of undead; he could be assuming based on there only being two undead roles in the role list but it seems to me there have been multiple instances of roles in all the other Conspiracy games, including Necromancers and Vampires, so "two" doesn't seem a safe assumption unless the shifting numbers from other games somehow calculate out to that.
That said, I'm not ready to vote Idle based on that.
Guiri, I'm not going to vote for you at the moment, but how do you figure knowledge of the starting number of Undead is unlikely to be a Town power?
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