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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 19:17:56 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 23, 2012 19:17:56 GMT -5
So I said I'd try to look at other people and possibly get more votes in.
I then realized that I've pretty much put thoughts out there for many of the participants, have already said that for the lynch leaders I'm only voting someone else to guarantee a lynch goes through since I already have pegged the one I think is scummiest, and for the players I haven't really commented on who are participating (e.g. nanook, pollux) they haven't really done anything that seems suspicious to me.
But Boozy kind of sticks out. His vote for peeker was ridiculous, and was his single Day 1 contribution. And his Day 2 participation seems to be nothing but vague statements that don't take a stand on anything. He comments on two cases without really adding anything new to the discussion and mentions that he finally understands the voting procedures. He's a better player than this.
Vote: boozahol squid
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 19:40:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 19:40:23 GMT -5
hey, peeker, I'd go all-in that Suburban Plankton is not Town. care to share oh mr. man of international mystery? I don't show my cards unless someone calls
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 19:41:35 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 19:41:35 GMT -5
Ed, I've cast two votes as you can see by the very vote update you quoted. Yet you only have me listed as casting 1 in your tally list. I have you down as having cast 2 votes.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 19:49:16 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 23, 2012 19:49:16 GMT -5
I have you down as having cast 2 votes. I see that now. Since gnarly and I are voting for each other I reversed our names in his entry, not even seeing my actual entry.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 19:51:57 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 23, 2012 19:51:57 GMT -5
care to share oh mr. man of international mystery? I don't show my cards unless someone calls does calling you full of shit count.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:23:52 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 23, 2012 20:23:52 GMT -5
This is absolutely ballsack reasoning. I'm sorry, but after I was struggling my ass off with lurking/not-around people at the end of Paranoia's game trying to pull a win out for town (that we barely did) I think that lynching an active person solely because they are active instead of inactive is stupid stupid stupid stupid. Inner and peeker both dropped off the face of the earth and lurked/didn't post much in that game and were both scum. I'd much rather have an active person around that can be analyzed through posts they've made in the game, then having to vote and pray at lynch time that a lurker may be scum IF we're basing it solely on activity vs. inactivity. Of course, you're lucky I find texcat suspicious anyway, otherwise I'd really go off on a rant. You either misunderstand or I wasn't entirely clear in the first place: I also like the case/reasoning made against Texcat..so with that added, I feel better voting for him.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:28:39 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 23, 2012 20:28:39 GMT -5
Texcat's a chick.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:29:41 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jan 23, 2012 20:29:41 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm going to vote Texcat[/color] because I'd rather see an active player lynched than a lurker (which I believe a whole scum faction could easily vote for to get out quickly).[/quote] In other words, message to wolves and vampires: shut up and no one will lynch you. Lynch the loud and lynch the active?? I really thought we were better than this.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:32:19 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jan 23, 2012 20:32:19 GMT -5
I like Frood's recent post and Nanook's recent post. Sorry if I appear indecisive, but it seems best just to show the vagaries of my flip-floppish, yet sincere sentiment:
Vote: Boozahol Squid
Unvote: Nanook
Unvote: Texcat
I don't agree the case against texcat is clearly wrong (Nanook seems to assume Wolves have Daytime chat, or are all smart and disciplined), but at present I'm fonder of the cases against the other frontrunners (and feel a slight guilt having raised the texcat case).
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:34:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 23, 2012 20:34:35 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm going to vote Texcat[/color] because I'd rather see an active player lynched than a lurker (which I believe a whole scum faction could easily vote for to get out quickly).[/quote] In other words, message to wolves and vampires: shut up and no one will lynch you. Lynch the loud and lynch the active?? I really thought we were better than this.[/quote] As I said since (I thought I had said in the post you quoted, but I guess not), I already thought you were better because of the case others made...so no, it's not for that reasoning alone.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:41:21 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 23, 2012 20:41:21 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm going to vote Texcat[/color] because I'd rather see an active player lynched than a lurker (which I believe a whole scum faction could easily vote for to get out quickly).[/quote] In other words, message to wolves and vampires: shut up and no one will lynch you. Lynch the loud and lynch the active?? I really thought we were better than this.[/quote] As I said since (I thought I had said in the post you quoted, but I guess not), I already thought you were better because of the case others made...so no, it's not for that reasoning alone.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:41:46 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 23, 2012 20:41:46 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm going to vote Texcat[/color] because I'd rather see an active player lynched than a lurker (which I believe a whole scum faction could easily vote for to get out quickly).[/quote] In other words, message to wolves and vampires: shut up and no one will lynch you. Lynch the loud and lynch the active?? I really thought we were better than this.[/quote] or in other words get loud and proud and proclaim innocence because of the loudness and proudness. heh heh. i ain't voting for you for that specific reason but that doesn't give you a free pass. i am all so sucky at this game. i tend to focus on just a handful of folks at any given time. more than four or five is about all i can handle. but that seems to give me a real good pool to fish around in or ignore. the big danger that we will face in the Days to come are from the undead, imho. this is a weird game in that faction can fucking run away. all they basically need to do is survive. sit back and get all zombiefied. just let crosskills take care of business. that be dangerous.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 20:58:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 20:58:23 GMT -5
I don't show my cards unless someone calls does calling you full of shit count. it doesn't count, but it does hurt my feelings.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 22:42:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 23, 2012 22:42:13 GMT -5
does calling you full of shit count. it doesn't count, but it does hurt my feelings. tough shit. i'll add another vote because it still kind of chaps my ass. vote squid[/color] where's all the bitching and moaning about my disruptivessness about now? oh, wait a minute that was another game. boo hoo. yeh he has been disruptive before. boo hoo. oh fucking no he could be disruptive any time now. boo hoo. oh fuck it, ain't getting no traction i'll just back away REAL fucking slowly. boo hoo. fucking scum. gotcha.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 22:43:36 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jan 23, 2012 22:43:36 GMT -5
Eff. Funerals suck. I've been reading along on my phone, but posting on there is a pain in the ass. So I'm here now, and I'm going to do a massive spew vote post. I'm rereading the game from first post. A lot of this is going to be stream of consciousness. My effort in this game, in case you couldn't tell by now, is going to be a lot of going by hunch and feel. I feel like I've made a lot of cases before that have been correct, and a lot that have been crap, but the ones where I voted based on a tenuous hunch have been right more often than not. So I'm just gonna go with that.
Inner Stickler's first post in the game (actually the first post) gives me pause, because he basically starts out by trying to get the ball rolling on Ed. I feel like it's a strange way to open the discussion, singling out a target (but not voting for him). I will have to keep an eye on Inner as I continue reading.
Another thing I'm doing as I'm reading is looking at the votes of people I am leaning Town or who have been confirmed Town by other players. guiri had an early vote for Texcat on Day One. I know she's a lynch leader now, so it's interesting to see how many people who others have confirmed to be Town are going to end up voting for her as I re-read D1. One interesting thing, though, is that I'm on Texcat's side on the issue that got her the vote--I think that being suspicious of Ed because of his Wolf streak is silly.
Boozahol Squid makes the obligatory vote-for-peeker-because-he's-peeker vote in Post 60 of Day 1. Had I been paying attention, I'd have voted him for it yesterDay--it's one of the easier bandwagons to start, so I get suspicious of anyone who starts it. Same reason I ended up voting for Texcat yesterDay, pretty much. Plus, I don't think peeker was being all that bad at the point in time in which he picked up that vote.
Vote: Boozahol Squid, PI
Reiterating my vote for Pollux for being the first to point out a PIS slip.
Vote: Pollux
Reiterating my vote for Texcat, repeating the same reasons for yesterDay (easy vote on Ed, just like Boozy's easy vote on peeker that I somehow missed), plus adding the vote analysis that has been brought forth during Day 2 by the almost certainly Town septimus. It appears that septimus is now having cold feet, but I like the case.
Vote: Texcat
On to Night 1. septimus claims Coroner, says Mahaloth was a Wolf. Ginger and Jan claim Mason. Ginger claimed to have investigated septimus and Jan and peeker both investigated Ed, none of whom were Masons. I'm highly confused by this. Why would a mason investigate a claimed coroner? Why not investigate peeker and confirm him? I don't get it. Am I missing something? Ginger is dead now, so we're not going to hear an explanation from her, I guess.
I totally agree with Hoopy Frood in Post 39 on Day Two, with the analysis on when the Witches should infodump. I'd also add that Idle should reveal that someone is Town if it appears we're about to lynch them, but that's about the only time I can imagine that a Witch investigation reveal would make sense right now. Otherwise, you're just creating targets for the other factions to aim at or avoid, depending on which furthers their ultimate goal. The reveal of guiri hurts more than it helps. I also feel like Hoopy's reaction to getting votes has been genuine and his criticism of the votes he's gotten generally appears to be valid--especially his reaction to septimus, whose "he's so Townie he might be Scum" vote for Hoopy and then near-immediate unvote would be enough for me to vote for him had he not claimed Coroner. This is just another gut feeling of mine, however. Definite Town lean on Hoopy.
Getting close to the end of Day Two and I still don't have a read on Inner. Did he stop posting for a reason? I need to check the GTBA thread.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 22:46:45 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 23, 2012 22:46:45 GMT -5
does calling you full of shit count. it doesn't count, but it does hurt my feelings. ed. you and i are always on the merry go round from hell. your new self is so much more obnoxious than your old self (my opinion). the blah blah blah the fucking blah i don't want to be a wolf blah the fucking blah just makes me scream: wolfcapiche.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 23:24:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 23:24:16 GMT -5
Why would a mason investigate a claimed coroner? Why not investigate peeker and confirm him? I don't get it. Am I missing something? Ginger is dead now, so we're not going to hear an explanation from her, I guess. Masons have a day power. So the decision to use the power came before septimus' reveal.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 23:32:11 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 23:32:11 GMT -5
it doesn't count, but it does hurt my feelings. ed. you and i are always on the merry go round from hell. your new self is so much more obnoxious than your old self (my opinion). the blah blah blah the fucking blah i don't want to be a wolf blah the fucking blah just makes me scream: wolfcapiche. ok
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 23:34:23 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jan 23, 2012 23:34:23 GMT -5
Well, sorry for me not participating as much as I should be. Just been having a tough few days (along with getting ready for a job interview)
Vote: CatinaSuit
Mass voting for everyone just isn't helping everyone but insuring that someone gets lynched.
Vote: Boozahol Squid, PI
I agree with Drain Bead about his reasoning for voting for Mr. Squid because he voted for peeker.
Speaking of peeker, WTF with the giant WOLF?
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 23:46:59 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 23, 2012 23:46:59 GMT -5
it doesn't count, but it does hurt my feelings. ed. you and i are always on the merry go round from hell. your new self is so much more obnoxious than your old self (my opinion). the blah blah blah the fucking blah i don't want to be a wolf blah the fucking blah just makes me scream: wolfcapiche. (Large size edited out.) The thing is, I disagree with you on that. I honestly can't stand how Ed is playing this thing right now. I'd love to vote him for it. But I got to see as it unfolded the Ed/Meeko game. I saw in real time everything Ed said about it. It's meta, but I honestly believe Ed is not a wolf, and I explained in another post why I doubt he's undead. (Really, if he wanted to be undead, I can't see him picking an undead as his 3rd choice, since there's only two choices for undead anyway.) It could be he's playing WIFOM with it all (i.e. he played so bad as wolf, we'd never expect him actually wanting to be wolf again), in which case kudos to him for completely snowing me on that, but I don't see it. I really do believe him to be town. Which is why it frustrates me even more the way he's been playing this. He's been very anti-town, IMO.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 23:54:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 23:54:14 GMT -5
ed. you and i are always on the merry go round from hell. your new self is so much more obnoxious than your old self (my opinion). the blah blah blah the fucking blah i don't want to be a wolf blah the fucking blah just makes me scream: wolfcapiche. (Large size edited out.) The thing is, I disagree with you on that. I honestly can't stand how Ed is playing this thing right now. I'd love to vote him for it. But I got to see as it unfolded the Ed/Meeko game. I saw in real time everything Ed said about it. It's meta, but I honestly believe Ed is not a wolf, and I explained in another post why I doubt he's undead. (Really, if he wanted to be undead, I can't see him picking an undead as his 3rd choice, since there's only two choices for undead anyway.) It could be he's playing WIFOM with it all (i.e. he played so bad as wolf, we'd never expect him actually wanting to be wolf again), in which case kudos to him for completely snowing me on that, but I don't see it. I really do believe him to be town. Which is why it frustrates me even more the way he's been playing this. He's been very anti-town, IMO. heh You're sounding a lot like storyteller early in the previous game. About how awful my new playstyle was. Before he eventually used it as a case against me. He was Scum. I was Town. Of course, you've got the novel twist in that you actually believe me. So I guess that makes it different. *puts on his Columbo jacket* One more thing..... Why is it that you trust me when I say I got the third role on my wish list? Am I just that trustworthy of a guy?
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 0:40:13 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 24, 2012 0:40:13 GMT -5
Any particular reason this case is more attractive to you than any of the others? Because the texcat case strikes me as a whole lot of supposition without a whole lot of actual cause. For one, we don't know for sure that Maha was a wolf, though it is more likely than not. For another, that kind of massively visible vote switch would have put a big pile of bullseyes on anyone that made it, especially if Maha turned up dead and wolfy later, and for what? To lynch a random person over someone who, while he might survive this day, wouldn't survive another? And really, if the Wolf plan was to save Maha at any cost, which the texcat case requires, why wouldn't he false claim something? Hell, he might have been able to flip votes around onto Idle if he fake claimed Witch. If nothing else, he might have been able to flush out a second one to corroborate Idle's claim. He didn't do any of that. Makes me think the wolves took one look at the way things were going and said, fuck it, he's dead, time to focus on other avenues. And also because I've seen read a bunch of games lately that have been decided by scum basically not playing and never being punished for it and still winning. I know I don't make as many posts as other people, but I try to put as many of my thoughts into each post as I can. I don't understand not playing at all, and when you do play saying nothing. What's the point of signing up in the first place then? That explains quite well why you didn't vote for texcat. Unfortunately, that wasn't the question. Why did you vote for Inner Stickler?
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 0:54:45 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 24, 2012 0:54:45 GMT -5
Am I the only one who's a bit put off by the sudden rush of votes for Boozahol Squid? When I left work this afternoon he had 2 votes; now he's sitting at 7. And it seems that the only thing he's done is to continue to be absent.
Why the sudden interest?
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 1:11:56 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 24, 2012 1:11:56 GMT -5
texcat was a Lynch contender yesterDay, yet drew no votes from anyone who didn't vote mahaloth. Mightn't Wolves have voted texcat if he weren't one of them? [ color=blue] Vote: texcat [/color] [/quote] My recommendation is still to Lynch texcat the Wolf, but multiple votes may be needed just to get any Lynch, so I'll vote some other cases that at least make a little sense. On Day 1, there were several players who cast several votes each, but of these gnarlycharlie, Suburban Plankton, and mahaloth cast no votes on mahaloth or texcat. Assuming mahaloth is Wolf, this casts suspicion on the fore-mentioned. Texcat was in contention for Lynch, though admittedly not close contention. Would Wolves avoid incriminating themselves, or would they have cast 1 or 2 votes on Texcat hoping for another Lynch leader? Since at least 1 or 2 Wolves were casting multiple votes anyway, it sure seems likely texcat would have attracted Wolf votes unless he was himself a Wolf. It was slanderous to call you "texcat the (alleged) Wolf." I apologize. Only I have alleged it, and it's based on no action of your own. Your posts seem good, though relatively few. My suspicion is purely on the idea that some Wolf, seeing Wolf Maha headed for Lynch, would have found a reason to vote you Day 1, when you were almost a Lynch contender. Some of your posts that day could have been interpreted (or misinterpreted) as slipping or anti-Town. That you attracted no such Wolf votes suggests so are you. (Instead could the non-vote be a deliberate WiFom ploy by the Wolves? unlikely, since they can communicate only at Night.) I'm content to Lynch any of the four front-runners right now. I'm happy to hear from you texcat, and would like Sticks, Gnarls, and Sister to post also. Four of the 5 real days are used up already toDay, and only one possible Lynchee is even halfway to the 12-vote Lynch threshold. (I'm not sure texcat is my favorite to Lynch but I feel best voting all suspects, lest we default to No Lynch.) Sorry if I appear indecisive, but it seems best just to show the vagaries of my flip-floppish, yet sincere sentiment: [ color=Red] Unvote: Texcat[/color] I don't agree the case against texcat is clearly wrong (Nanook seems to assume Wolves have Daytime chat, or are all smart and disciplined), but at present I'm fonder of the cases against the other frontrunners (and feel a slight guilt having raised the texcat case).[/quote] Wha??? Does texcat have some pictures of you in a compromising situation or something?
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 1:29:49 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jan 24, 2012 1:29:49 GMT -5
That explains quite well why you didn't vote for texcat. Unfortunately, that wasn't the question. Why did you vote for Inner Stickler? Except it does. I could be clearer though. Basically, in this game, with this lynch requirement, at this point in the Day, votes should be on someone who could actually be lynched. So I looked at the top 4(at the time, now Boozy is up there for some reason that I don't quite get) and worked a process of elimination. I explained why not texcat. The others were all basically non-participatory votes. I choose the person that the most non-participatory and voted for them.
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 2:29:10 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 24, 2012 2:29:10 GMT -5
I hope I get this right, Suburban Plankton and gnarlycharlie didn’t vote for either Texcat or Mahaloth? We now have the coroner’s report that Mahaloth is a wolf, I know the results could have been messed with but that’s all I have to go on for now. If Texcat is also a wolf then it was lose - lose for wolves and it was probably safer for them just to let Mahaloth get lynched. The more I think about this, the more likely it is that Texcat is a wolf otherwise it would have been quite easy for the other wolves to have put Texcat in the lead. I really like Septimus’ argument, I just wonder why he has since changed his mind? I still haven’t got a feel on Suburban Plankton especially as he was the one to put all of Septimus’ comment together, either a clever ploy by a wolf or a Townie that didn’t find Mahaloth or Texcat very scummy. He is voting for Texcat today however so if Texcat does flip scum then I suppose it is a point in his favour.
Vote Texcat
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 3:51:58 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 24, 2012 3:51:58 GMT -5
This is going to have to be a quick post, as I'm off out.
Vote Gnarlycharlie
Basically for the case others have made that when he voted on Day 1 (see D01.218) that he didn't mention the whole Mahaloth bandwagon, as if he wanted it to go away.
I have to say that although I'm not fond of Lynch the Loud, it's a consequence of my belief that, in the early game, Town shoots itself in the foot by lynching nonparticipants and/or lurkers.
They need to be dealt with in the midgame. Whenever that is (it deals from game to game).
Septimus, I don't think my OS is relevant. All that is relevant is that I have long since adjusted the settings to remove things like taskbars from my sight except when I want to see them. Which is not when I'm trying to compose a post to meet a deadline.
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 6:59:41 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jan 24, 2012 6:59:41 GMT -5
Why would a mason investigate a claimed coroner? Why not investigate peeker and confirm him? I don't get it. Am I missing something? Ginger is dead now, so we're not going to hear an explanation from her, I guess. Masons have a day power. So the decision to use the power came before septimus' reveal. Thanks--they were a Night power when I was one. I just assumed they still were. But that still doesn't answer the other question-- peeker claimed Mason during the Day. Both Masons should have been able to target him at that point, right? Or is handshaking an instant power and not one that resolves at the end of the Day? Guess I should go look at the rules to see if that's answered in there.
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 7:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jan 24, 2012 7:23:03 GMT -5
Oh, come on. People are really voting for me because of a Day One vote? Day One, we have no information with which to establish a good candidate, it's part and parcel of the game. There wasn't any sort of developmental discussion with which to pinpoint actual scum, so I'm left with voting based on past history. How is this scummy in any regard, again?
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Day Two
Jan 24, 2012 7:31:39 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jan 24, 2012 7:31:39 GMT -5
vote CatInaSuit Similar to Ed, CIAS doesn't seem terribly interested in who gets lynched. Although his voting is nowhere near as crappy as Ed's, it does seem designed to absolve him of any real responsibility for justifying his votes. We can't ask "why did you vote for XXX?", because his default position is "everybody is guilty". Unless someone presents clear evidence that they are Town, the vote remains. So he has a plausible reason to vote for anyone who is the least bit suspicious (which could be any player at any time). I should add that I find this sort of reasoning just plain bad. Cat's interested in using the lynch, perhaps moreso than in its real effect. Yeah, it's somewhat problematic, but it's an unfortunate necessity of how the game has to work if Town's going to win. While it doesn't establish Cat firmly as pro-Town in my eyes, certainly it does suggest that he's not one of the factions that would rather the lynch does not go off (that is to say, he might be Cabal, which relies on the lynch just as much as the Town does for its wincon)
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