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Post by guiri on Jan 27, 2012 4:37:43 GMT -5
Meh, I ask because there's a 4th possible explanation for the claims and counterclaims...
Peeker and SilverJan have a power similar to the Cabal in C IV, they can imitate any other role in the game for one cycle only. It's possible that Peeker used the power Day 1, when he made his claim, to be able to handshake successfully with any real masons and then SilverJan used it on Day 2 to handshake with the real masons after her claim N1...
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Post by guiri on Jan 27, 2012 4:38:51 GMT -5
also, I'm a Freemason. i sent a handshake to peeker and this is what i got: Gnarly, when did you attempt to handshake with Peeker? Who did you attempt to handshake with the other Day?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 27, 2012 4:40:22 GMT -5
Boozy's claim make less sense than Peeker's and his and flip flop is comparable to Jan's: Peeker claimed Day 1. Anyway, I too am a freemason. On Day1, following his claim, I asked about Peeker, and the result was:On Day 2 I asked about SilverJan and the result was: As for the current claims and counterclaims, I can think of three explanations: - Boozy and Bill are not masons but are trying to leverage Jan's confusion to get Peeker and Jan lynched or Nked, seems quite risky - there are two separate groups of Freemasons who are unable to cross-confirm, seems somewhat game breaking given the rules - Peeker had the power to imitate a Freemason on N1 only and so passed my handshake but failed successive ones, is plausible but would imply 5 masons (Jan, Ginger, Bill, Boozy, and me) and failed handshakes with Boozy, Bill and Jan yesterDay SilverJan, who did you attempt to handshake with yesterDay? Can you post your PM with the result? This is my PM why does your quote have two players, guiri and peeker? Freemasons can only try to handshake with one player at a time and therefore get one result per attempt.
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Post by guiri on Jan 27, 2012 4:41:51 GMT -5
why does your quote have two players, guiri and peeker? Freemasons can only try to handshake with one player at a time and therefore get one result per attempt. But she'd also be notified if any other Freemasons attempt to handshake with her.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 27, 2012 4:43:14 GMT -5
also, I'm a Freemason. i sent a handshake to peeker and this is what i got: Gnarly, when did you attempt to handshake with Peeker? Who did you attempt to handshake with the other Day? i attempted on D2. no attempt on D1 since i misread my PM and thought handshaking was a Night action.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 27, 2012 4:45:50 GMT -5
why does your quote have two players, guiri and peeker? Freemasons can only try to handshake with one player at a time and therefore get one result per attempt. But she'd also be notified if any other Freemasons attempt to handshake with her. did you handshake with Silver Jan then?
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Post by guiri on Jan 27, 2012 4:46:20 GMT -5
For completeness sake, the Cabal secret power was: Stanislaus' comments on imitating Freemason: And Renata's response:
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Post by guiri on Jan 27, 2012 4:48:07 GMT -5
But she'd also be notified if any other Freemasons attempt to handshake with her. did you handshake with Silver Jan then? Yes. On Day 2 I asked about SilverJan and the result was:
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 27, 2012 4:48:29 GMT -5
This game is just getting stranger and stranger. I asked if Peeker was a Mason on D2, I got 2 results so I assumed that guiri must have checked me out but as I said, it was late and I was rather confused at the time.
If you look at my post #55 in the N0 thread, you will see that the 1st letter at the beginning of every row spells mason and Ed seemed to have picked up on that and I think he actually did.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 27, 2012 4:50:57 GMT -5
For completeness sake, the Cabal secret power was: Stanislaus' comments on imitating Freemason: And Renata's response: are these quotes from an earlier game? very informative. if the Omega wolf scans Freemason, does that mean s/he can handshake?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 27, 2012 4:53:09 GMT -5
Unvote Silver Jan
leaving the office now so i'll probably be back hours from now. hope things clarify then.
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Post by septimus on Jan 27, 2012 5:12:26 GMT -5
... possible explanation for the claims and counterclaims... Peeker and SilverJan have a power similar to the Cabal in C IV, they can imitate any other role in the game for one cycle only. This has the ring of truth. For one thing, gnarlycharlie's claim, made under no pressure, would make little sense otherwise. We could start Lynching the fake Masons: we might confirm the truth right away, as Coroner power seems to work on the Daily Lynch, just not on the Night Kills. But, since the fake Masons (presumably Cabal) are no immediate threat, zapping Pollux the Wolf makes more sense. guiri, do you plan on asking about peeker again toDay? That would prove your hypothesis with no immediate need for blood-letting. Meanwhile, I'll cooperate with those who want a better schedule: Vote: Pollux OilVote: End of Day
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Post by CatInASuit on Jan 27, 2012 5:15:06 GMT -5
Hello and welcome to bizzaro world.....
Counter claiming witches and counterclaiming masons, whatever next.
Masons first: Does anyone else think the Omega wolf might have got a secret power to, for one Day, secret handshake as a mason.
I sense another round of handshaking toDay, and thinking about it, we should be able to work out a method to cover all the claimed masons and get the results toNight before any of them die and hopefully give us a lynch candidate for tomorrow.
Witches: I did consider that Idle Thoughts and Pollux Oil were on the same side. But then they would both have to be wolves.
The ultimate test for them though is to name the first witch who dies as one will likely occur. Until that point, I'm fine with leaving the pair of them to swap barbs. FTR, I;m more inclined to believe Pollux Oil than Idle Thoughts.
Of course, they could both be lying and are both on different scum sides trying to gain credit by not being the dead scum Witch which is lynched.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jan 27, 2012 6:15:22 GMT -5
Rollcall of mason claims
Day 1: Silver Jan - Ed - Not Mason peekercpa - Ed - Not Mason guiri - peekercpa - Mason Ginger - Septimus - Not Mason Boozahol Squid - unknown gnarlycharlie - no attempt BillMc - Unknown
Day 2 peekercpa - unknown Silver Jan - peekercpa - Mason gnarlycharlie - peekercpa - Not Mason guiri - Silverjan - Mason Boozahol Squid - peekercpa - Not Mason BillMc - Unknown
Unknown Day BillMc - peekercpa - Not Mason
I am surprised that certain people only appear to have one claimed result and not two.
Details please people, details.
7 masons. Big party indeed. However, from the rules there are no duplicate Freemason parties seperate from each other.
How about this from a handshake circle.
Silver Jan handshakes boozahol squid boozahol squid handshakes gnarlycharlie gnarlycharlie handshakes guiri guiri handshakes BillMc BillMC handshakes peekercpa peekercpa handshakes SilverJan
Result to be delivered toNight and then we do another handshake on Day 4.
If it is Cabal trying it on, the Undead and Wolves will be steering well clear of these people and none of them will be dying overNight as it will probably net us several scum in one go.
A secret power which gave the permanent ability to act as a freemason would be, quite frankly, gamebreaking.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:38:34 GMT -5
First of all, it was late and I was tired and I totally misread my PM. However I did find out another Mason and I am not prepared to out them yet as they apparently haven’t outed themselves yet. With this odd information that I received I just immediately jumped up and down and assumed the worst. no. This is a lie. You stated that peeker lied. Then peeker told you to re-check your PM Then you stated that you misread your PM. At no point did you even hint that you investigated anyone else. You are lying. Why haven't you posted your PMs from Pleo? You can redact the names.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:40:42 GMT -5
- Boozy and Bill are not masons but are trying to leverage Jan's confusion to get Peeker and Jan lynched or Nked, seems quite risky - there are two separate groups of Freemasons who are unable to cross-confirm, seems somewhat game breaking given the rules - Peeker had the power to imitate a Freemason on N1 only and so passed my handshake but failed successive ones, is plausible but would imply 5 masons (Jan, Ginger, Bill, Boozy, and me) and failed handshakes with Boozy, Bill and Jan yesterDay SilverJan, who did you attempt to handshake with yesterDay? Can you post your PM with the result? Holy crap Is it possible that ginger was a Seer and not a freemason? All I recall her is saying that someone (was it septimus?) wasn't a freemason. A Seer would know that.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:41:28 GMT -5
Obviously posting as I catch up When did you get this PM?
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:43:17 GMT -5
For completeness sake, the Cabal secret power was: Stanislaus' comments on imitating Freemason: And Renata's response: An Omega wolf scans as: Town to Witches Freemason to a Seer and NOT a freemason to freemasons as I recall.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:44:47 GMT -5
This game is just getting stranger and stranger. I asked if Peeker was a Mason on D2, I got 2 results so I assumed that guiri must have checked me out but as I said, it was late and I was rather confused at the time. If you look at my post #55 in the N0 thread, you will see that the 1st letter at the beginning of every row spells mason and Ed seemed to have picked up on that and I think he actually did. No, I only responded to being called harsh.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:46:07 GMT -5
Hello and welcome to bizzaro world..... Counter claiming witches and counterclaiming masons, whatever next. Masons first: Does anyone else think the Omega wolf might have got a secret power to, for one Day, secret handshake as a mason. I sense another round of handshaking toDay, and thinking about it, we should be able to work out a method to cover all the claimed masons and get the results toNight before any of them die and hopefully give us a lynch candidate for tomorrow. Witches: I did consider that Idle Thoughts and Pollux Oil were on the same side. But then they would both have to be wolves. The ultimate test for them though is to name the first witch who dies as one will likely occur. Until that point, I'm fine with leaving the pair of them to swap barbs. FTR, I;m more inclined to believe Pollux Oil than Idle Thoughts. Of course, they could both be lying and are both on different scum sides trying to gain credit by not being the dead scum Witch which is lynched. Or do you just want to know when the witches are going to lose their double powers?
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 27, 2012 7:49:26 GMT -5
First of all, it was late and I was tired and I totally misread my PM. However I did find out another Mason and I am not prepared to out them yet as they apparently haven’t outed themselves yet. With this odd information that I received I just immediately jumped up and down and assumed the worst. no. This is a lie. You stated that peeker lied. Then peeker told you to re-check your PM Then you stated that you misread your PM. At no point did you even hint that you investigated anyone else. You are lying. Why haven't you posted your PMs from Pleo? You can redact the names. I didn't investigate anyone else and I haven't said that I did!
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Post by CatInASuit on Jan 27, 2012 7:57:56 GMT -5
Or do you just want to know when the witches are going to lose their double powers? This from the person who wants to kill one of them. Better not get it wrong or we are down a Witch now rather than later. Besides with the delayed reveal, it doesn't have to be done on Death, but can be done just before Pleonast's reveal which is much later.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 7:58:07 GMT -5
no. This is a lie. You stated that peeker lied. Then peeker told you to re-check your PM Then you stated that you misread your PM. At no point did you even hint that you investigated anyone else. You are lying. Why haven't you posted your PMs from Pleo? You can redact the names. I didn't investigate anyone else and I haven't said that I did! Yes, I've caught up now. I do want to repost your Night 2 posts and ask you to comment on why you said what you did, OK? Bloody Hell, Peeker was a lying shit!!! I am so upset, I am devastated, first Ed and Then Peeks. Crap I need my bed. Note to self, don't trust anyone"!! What do you mean "Interesting?" I trusted someone and he so let me down, I wish I could vote now. Bloody Hell, Peeker was a lying shit!!! I am so upset, I am devastated, first Ed and Then Peeks. Crap I need my bed. Note to self, don't trust anyone"!! huh? i don't know what the fuck you are inferring because it is contrary to information that i have received. don't know what the fuck ed has to do with anything whatsoever. pleo this is all part of my claim and is in no way related to any strategyOh my word, how could I misread a PM, not ever but ask Chris, I am an idiot and a Fool and I have to apologise to the twit ( it's an "s" not "Z") but anyway Peeks is a good oke, MY Bad, I love that saying cos it is so new to me. ~~~~~~~~~ and, one final question, are you stating that you've found another Mason who isn't peeker or guiri?
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 8:00:01 GMT -5
If we have 2 mutually exclusive groups of masons, I'll be seriously pissed as the rules seem to forbid that.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jan 27, 2012 8:09:55 GMT -5
If we have 2 mutually exclusive groups of masons, I'll be seriously pissed as the rules seem to forbid that. The only way it would be possible would be if one set had the Town Secret power. But if that was the case, it would have to be clear as part of the Secret power that that was the case.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 27, 2012 9:33:15 GMT -5
I was busy last night, so it looks like I'm late to join the party.
I am a Freemason.
In Day 1 in investigated peeker, as it seemed to be the obvious thing to do. I was told I then asked if there was any way that my result could have been falsified, and was told
As I just mentioned, I am a Mason. Unfortunately, I am also an Idiot, and I kept thinking that mine was a Night ability instead of a Day one, and so I failed to use it at all on Day 2. Thus I have no more information to impart.
I've got to head off to work now. Hopefully when I get there, this will all make more sense (but I doubt it).
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Post by CatInASuit on Jan 27, 2012 9:36:23 GMT -5
Oh for the love of........
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 9:44:26 GMT -5
Let's see if I have this correct:
01. Mr Special Ed NOT mason 02. Hoopy Frood 03. BillMc Mason 04. colby11 05. texcat - Lynched Day Two - zombified Night Two Wolf 06. Nanook 07. Silver Jan Mason 08. Drain Bead 09. hirkatbawa 10. gnarlycharlie Mason 11. peekercpa Mason 12. Pollux Oil Witch/Wolf 13. Inner Stickler 14. Sister Coyote 15. CatInASuit 16. Suburban Plankton Mason 17. septimus Coroner 18. scathach - Killed Night Two 19. Boozahol Squid Mason 20. JustBeingGinger - Killed Night One - Town (Mason?) 21. Merestil Haye 22. guiri Mason 23. Idle Thoughts Witch/Cabal 24. mahaloth - Lynched Day One - Zombified Night One - Wolf 25. deon
That means 7 masons id Ginger was one.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 9:46:12 GMT -5
sorry, I didn't color guiri, that means 7 or 8.
I beleive a full mason claim is in order. With all results.
And I think we start lynching from the non-Mason pool
Unvote: End Day
There's too much we need to get through toDay.
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Post by special on Jan 27, 2012 9:47:02 GMT -5
I still want Hoopy Frood killed. He's very likely Cabal.
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