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Post by Pleonast on Feb 2, 2012 15:05:03 GMT -5
guiri and septimus are dead. JustBeingGinger was a Freemason. scathach was Town. JustBeingGinger is now a Zombie.
It is now Day Four. It will last until Tue Feb 7 at the latest.
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Post by special on Feb 2, 2012 15:22:11 GMT -5
Vote: peeker Vote: Silver Jan
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 2, 2012 15:30:58 GMT -5
Vote: peeker [/color] Vote: Silver Jan [/color]
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 2, 2012 15:39:39 GMT -5
Vote: peeker Vote: Silver Jan
No real need to discuss that one.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 2, 2012 15:51:54 GMT -5
Unvote: peeker
To avoid a tie.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 2, 2012 15:55:32 GMT -5
Vote Jan.
I'm fine with voting Peeker as well and will do so if it looks like there will be a mix up/tie of votes.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 2, 2012 15:58:07 GMT -5
The Witches got a Town read during our investigation last Night. Since everyone and their mother thinks I should have waited on the info, I will this time.
However, I think it's getting to the point where a mass role claim might be beneficial to Town.
What's everyone think?
I could even do the order up, if you want.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 2, 2012 16:00:41 GMT -5
The other witches agree with me that a mass claim would be good about now, by the way.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 2, 2012 16:23:28 GMT -5
Vote: Silver Jan
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Post by Nanook on Feb 2, 2012 16:32:26 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why Jan over peeker? Peeker seems more likely to be disruptive to the rest of the game than Jan is.
A mass claim seems like a reasonable idea, though I'm not sure Today is the best day for it since it appears we pretty much have a consensus lynch set up already.
Vote: peeker
I don't have a problem moving it if people would prefer Jan though.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 16:37:53 GMT -5
So the assumption Today is that some faction has a Secret Power that allows them to appear as a Freemason for a single Day/Night, and that peeker and Silver Jan used that Secret Power on Days 1 and 2, respectively. That makes perfect sense, though it is basically a duplication of the Cabal Secret Power from the last game.
Another possibility is that some faction has a Secret Power that allows them to alter all investigative results on another player for a single Day/Night. It's just a gut feeling, but find this idea more attractive than the idea of recycing an ability from the last game. If this is the case, then that faction might have used their ability on Day 1 to cause peeker to appear as a non-Mason, and again on Day 2 on Silver Jan.
Using such a Power initially on peeker would have made perfect sense, as you would expect multiple Freemasons to investigate peeker after his Day 1 claim. And on Day 2, Silver Jan was the only other claimed Mason alive at that point, so it's not a huge stretch to think they would target her.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to differentiate the two scenarios without killing either peeker or Jan and seeing how they flip. If my thought on the Secret Power is correct, I think it points more strongly toward peeker being innocent than it does toward Jan. If I'm not correct, then they both look guilty. Combine all that with Jan's odd flip-flop on peeker's identity, and her complete silence last Night, and I think she's the best target for Today.
vote Silver Jan
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 16:39:55 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why Jan over peeker? Peeker seems more likely to be disruptive to the rest of the game than Jan is. See my previous post for my answer to this very question.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 2, 2012 16:54:05 GMT -5
My thinking was twofold. Jan got a lot of not-Mason results last Night, and peeker is easy to tune out.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 2, 2012 17:08:54 GMT -5
Eh, I guess a tie would be bad. I'll go along with lynching Jan, not for any particular reason other than that peeker's annoyingness is kinda fun when nobody's being swayed by it.
unvote: peeknizzle[/color]
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 2, 2012 17:10:41 GMT -5
However, I think it's getting to the point where a mass role claim might be beneficial to Town. What's everyone think? I could even do the order up, if you want. I'm completely in favor of this.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 2, 2012 17:12:01 GMT -5
Wow, do you guys even think out of the box?
I am a new player and you all want to kill me.
THINK, there are 4 factions!
Who the hell do you need to kill to win?
I have accepted the fact that I will be killed but for goodness sake, look at the big picture after I am dead.
It's my very first conspiracy game and most of you are looking for Scum versus Town, WRONG!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 17:18:26 GMT -5
Does anyone want to speculate on the 'extra' death last Night? NO? OK, then I'll go first. I can think of four possible reasons: - An extra kill from a Secret Power
- A Vampire kill
- A Vigilante kill
- Either guiri or septimus were not actually Town, and one of them attempted to kill a Vampire
A Vig kill seems quite unlikely since both of the dead were presumed Town. Either of the next two options makes sense, but both beg the question "Why was there only one death each of the two previous Nights?" The last option is a possibility if septimus was really a Werewolf. It would have been trivial for him to have correctly identified all three of our lynch vicitims if they were all fellow Wolves, and just plain bad luck on his part if he chose the wrong target last Night. But why would the wolves have chosen their false-Coroner to perform their kill? And if they were forced to, wouldn't he have picked another of the claimed Masons? Unless of course, he did... Are there any other explanations?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 17:20:07 GMT -5
Wow, do you guys even think out of the box? I am a new player and you all want to kill me. THINK, there are 4 factions! Who the hell do you need to kill to win? I have accepted the fact that I will be killed but for goodness sake, look at the big picture after I am dead. It's my very first conspiracy game and most of you are looking for Scum versus Town, WRONG! You're not that new any more. Who would you have us lynch instead?
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Post by special on Feb 2, 2012 17:23:03 GMT -5
Does anyone want to speculate on the 'extra' death last Night? NO? OK, then I'll go first. I can think of four possible reasons: - An extra kill from a Secret Power
- A Vampire kill
- A Vigilante kill
- Either guiri or septimus were not actually Town, and one of them attempted to kill a Vampire
A Vig kill seems quite unlikely since both of the dead were presumed Town. Either of the next two options makes sense, but both beg the question "Why was there only one death each of the two previous Nights?" The last option is a possibility if septimus was really a Werewolf. It would have been trivial for him to have correctly identified all three of our lynch vicitims if they were all fellow Wolves, and just plain bad luck on his part if he chose the wrong target last Night. But why would the wolves have chosen their false-Coroner to perform their kill? And if they were forced to, wouldn't he have picked another of the claimed Masons? Unless of course, he did... Are there any other explanations? No way would a Vigilante shoot either what appears to be a Coroner or a Witch claimed Town Freemason! Not even Peeker would do that. If I had to guess, it was a Kill hoping to muddy the Freemason issue for another Day.
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Post by special on Feb 2, 2012 17:23:25 GMT -5
So the assumption Today is that some faction has a Secret Power that allows them to appear as a Freemason for a single Day/Night, and that peeker and Silver Jan used that Secret Power on Days 1 and 2, respectively. That makes perfect sense, though it is basically a duplication of the Cabal Secret Power from the last game. Another possibility is that some faction has a Secret Power that allows them to alter all investigative results on another player for a single Day/Night. It's just a gut feeling, but find this idea more attractive than the idea of recycing an ability from the last game. If this is the case, then that faction might have used their ability on Day 1 to cause peeker to appear as a non-Mason, and again on Day 2 on Silver Jan. Using such a Power initially on peeker would have made perfect sense, as you would expect multiple Freemasons to investigate peeker after his Day 1 claim. And on Day 2, Silver Jan was the only other claimed Mason alive at that point, so it's not a huge stretch to think they would target her. Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to differentiate the two scenarios without killing either peeker or Jan and seeing how they flip. If my thought on the Secret Power is correct, I think it points more strongly toward peeker being innocent than it does toward Jan. If I'm not correct, then they both look guilty. Combine all that with Jan's odd flip-flop on peeker's identity, and her complete silence last Night, and I think she's the best target for Today. vote Silver JanOnly guiri (Town by Idle) got a Mason result on peeker D1 and Jan D2. So that would have to be reversed. And then others got not mason results on peeker on D2 and D3 and no Mason has claimed to have had either peeker or Jan attempt to handshake with them D3. Here's what the masons have claimed. Peeker: D1: Shook Ed - Fail D2: Shook Boozy - Failed; Confirmed Jan's s Shake D3: Shook Jan - Failed Jan: D1: Shook Ed - Fail D2: Shook Peeker - Success D3: no claim Guiri: D1 Shook Peeker - Success D2: Shook Jan - Success D3: Shook Boozy - Success; Confirmed Suburban's Shake; Confirmed Hoopy's Shake Suburban: D1:Shook Peeker - Success D2: D3: Shook guiri - Success JustBeingGinger: D1: Shook septimus - Failed Boozy: D1: D2: Shook peeker - Failed D3: Shook Jan - failed; Confirmed guiri's shake Hoopy: D1: Shook Peeker - Success D2: Shook Jan - Success D3: Shook guiri - Success gnarlycharlie: D1: no Shake D2: Shook Peeker - Failed D3: Shook Jan - Failed; Confirmed a Shake by AWOL Bill Bill: D1: D2: Shook Peeker - Failed D3: Did I leave someone off? Anyway, a conclusion: Assuming that Cabal have the power to imitate Freemasons, it is possible that Peeker did so on Day 1, Jan did so on Day 2. That confirms all of the results given aside from their own. Also, since guiri got multiple Masons confirming him, if he flips Cabal, then he used the Power D3. If he flips Town, then it is still possible that Boozy, Hoopy or Suburban are cabal. However, with Idle's investigation it is very very improbable that he flips Cabal. Therefore at least 2 of the 3 are Freemasons. Other masons who really have only provided results that can be faked: Bill (unlikely since he blew the whistle on Peeker) and gnarlycharlie. Unfortunately, Boozy, Suburban and Hoopy all fall into this category as well. So: masons: JustBeingGinger Guiri Possible masons: Bill gnarlycharlie Boozy Hoopy Suburban Unlikely Masons: Peeker Jan
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Post by special on Feb 2, 2012 17:23:49 GMT -5
Wow, do you guys even think out of the box? I am a new player and you all want to kill me. THINK, there are 4 factions! Who the hell do you need to kill to win? I have accepted the fact that I will be killed but for goodness sake, look at the big picture after I am dead. It's my very first conspiracy game and most of you are looking for Scum versus Town, WRONG! Willing to claim Cabal and help us find the Undead?
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 2, 2012 17:31:32 GMT -5
The Witches got a Town read during our investigation last Night. Since everyone and their mother thinks I should have waited on the info, I will this time. However, I think it's getting to the point where a mass role claim might be beneficial to Town. What's everyone think? I could even do the order up, if you want. I would be very happy to do a mass claim. I thought this game would be a breeze, how wrong was I? Would you like my Pm now?
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Post by special on Feb 2, 2012 17:37:49 GMT -5
The Witches got a Town read during our investigation last Night. Since everyone and their mother thinks I should have waited on the info, I will this time. However, I think it's getting to the point where a mass role claim might be beneficial to Town. What's everyone think? I could even do the order up, if you want. I would be very happy to do a mass claim. I thought this game would be a breeze, how wrong was I? Would you like my Pm now? A Mass claim might not be needed until morning with a sure lynch, but since you're our #1 lynch target, how about that PM.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 2, 2012 17:39:18 GMT -5
well at least i know who the vamp is. two deaths last Night. i blocked gnarley on N1 and N2. two deaths last Night when i blocked ed.
and with that folks an insta lynch on me and jan results in an undead victory.
jeebuz, ed[/b] you get a kewpie doll kind of. i mean you are damn close but you still lose going down this path. plus some of your conclusions are not right. although, i am impressed on the proximity to truth.
oog on
yaknow i just give ed shit primarily because he pisses me off since he is a better player than i am. and that feels like losing a sprint to an amputee.
[oog off]
vote gnarly. he ain't mason, he ain't cabal. and now we get an extra death. so he's our vamp. i'd like to slow the killing down and then go nec hunting.
plus let me and jan hang around. we might offer up some more interesting tidbits.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 17:42:26 GMT -5
well at least i know who the vamp is. two deaths last Night. i blocked gnarley on N1 and N2. two deaths last Night when i blocked ed. and with that folks an insta lynch on me and jan results in an undead victory.
jeebuz, ed [/b] you get a kewpie doll kind of. i mean you are damn close but you still lose going down this path. plus some of your conclusions are not right. although, i am impressed on the proximity to truth. oog onyaknow i just give ed shit primarily because he pisses me off since he is a better player than i am. and that feels like losing a sprint to an amputee. [oog off] vote gnarly. he ain't mason, he ain't cabal. and now we get an extra death. so he's our vamp. i'd like to slow the killing down and then go nec hunting. plus let me and jan hang around. we might offer up some more interesting tidbits.[/quote] Just to make sure I correctly parse this bit of peeker-speak: You are claiming that you and Jan are both Cabal?
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Post by special on Feb 2, 2012 17:43:01 GMT -5
well at least i know who the vamp is. two deaths last Night. i blocked gnarley on N1 and N2. two deaths last Night when i blocked ed. and with that folks an insta lynch on me and jan results in an undead victory.
jeebuz, ed [/b] you get a kewpie doll kind of. i mean you are damn close but you still lose going down this path. plus some of your conclusions are not right. although, i am impressed on the proximity to truth. oog onyaknow i just give ed shit primarily because he pisses me off since he is a better player than i am. and that feels like losing a sprint to an amputee. [oog off] vote gnarly. he ain't mason, he ain't cabal. and now we get an extra death. so he's our vamp. i'd like to slow the killing down and then go nec hunting. plus let me and jan hang around. we might offer up some more interesting tidbits.[/quote] This has some legs, because we still have too many Masons, even if one of Hoopy, Suburban or Boozy is Cabal
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 2, 2012 17:46:09 GMT -5
I would be very happy to do a mass claim. I thought this game would be a breeze, how wrong was I? Would you like my Pm now? A Mass claim might not be needed until morning with a sure lynch, but since you're our #1 lynch target, how about that PM. 07. Freemason - Silver Jan You are a Freemason, a member of the Town. Each Day you may check if one other player is also a Freemason. If the target is a Freemason, both of you will be informed of the discovery. Otherwise, no effect. Read more: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=pmview&view=1&id=42506#ixzz1lGdMWQ1j
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 2, 2012 17:47:42 GMT -5
So with the evidence that cabal are faking mason, we might want to do another circle shake, particularly since no masons are really confirmed at this point based on Ed's analysis.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 17:48:30 GMT -5
So we have Silver Jan as the presumptive lynch.
Then we have peeker claiming that he and Jan are both Cabal.
Then we have Jan still claiming that she's a Freemason.
Something doesn't add up here.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 2, 2012 17:49:38 GMT -5
So with the evidence that cabal are faking mason, we might want to do another circle shake, particularly since no masons are really confirmed at this point based on Ed's analysis. Another circle shake? I wasn't aware we had done a first one.
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