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Post by Pleonast on Feb 9, 2012 15:05:46 GMT -5
Merestil Haye is dead. guiri was Cabal (recruited from Town). scathach was a Witch and is now a Zombie. And septimus is now alive!
It is now Day Five. It will last no longer than Tue Feb 14, 12 noon PT.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 15:14:10 GMT -5
Well, we should have some interesting news from septimus. So, who offed you? And does a resurrected Coroner get information about the players who died while he was dead?
Vote: peeker
Also of note is that Guiri was recruited by the Cabal. Recruitment is not a listed power of the Cabal. I'm really curious to see the secret power that allows them to both recruit AND to power-steal.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 15:14:43 GMT -5
Not going to vote to End Day, because there are too many questions that need answers.
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Post by septimus on Feb 9, 2012 15:28:21 GMT -5
So, I'm back from the dead! Sorry to see you go, MHaye, but thanks for my own life. On Night Three, I enchanted Septimus. That is all. *slow clap* Given your Avatar image, I thought it might have been you, Drain Bead, who raised me from the dead. Especially since my sins seem to have been absolved, all seven. I did receive one Coroner's report (on Night 3). guiri's corpse had been profaned unspeakably. But I finally got one reveal from Pleo about a Night-time death. Septimus is ... the Town Coroner! Family and I are going on holiday this weekend, leaving the computer behind, so expect no comment from me for 3 days (unless I visit Internet Cafe). And so, although I'm way behind in understanding the game, I'll leave a tentative vote: Vote: peeker
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 9, 2012 15:40:50 GMT -5
So who killed you? (Assuming witchdoctor enchantment is what happened here.)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:41:25 GMT -5
Well, we should have some interesting news from septimus. So, who offed you? And does a resurrected Coroner get information about the players who died while he was dead I'm pretty sure that he could have been brought back to life by a Vampire, too...so I wouldn't put full faith in anything he says since he could be scum now.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:43:06 GMT -5
Anyway, I propose a full, mass claim from everyone toDay.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:43:16 GMT -5
I can make a list, if you like.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 9, 2012 15:43:36 GMT -5
From the rules: septimus, do you know who killed you? Do you want to share with the rest of the class? As for the other overNight news...I'm still trying to process the implications... on preview: I'm pretty sure that he could have been brought back to life by a Vampire, too...so I wouldn't put full faith in anything he says since he could be scum now. Where do you get the idea that the Vampire could bring anyone back to life? I see nothing that even hints at that in the rules.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:46:45 GMT -5
Oh, and thanks for not trying to kill me, Cabal/Wolves. We actually chose to investigate last night, not protect.
I got another Town result. I'll keep the results to myself for now, but I may reveal both yesterDay's and toDay's result later on pending a mass claim.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:48:49 GMT -5
Where do you get the idea that the Vampire could bring anyone back to life? I see nothing that even hints at that in the rules. Well, that's how the Vampire's have always worked in Conspiracy, I thought. You're right, it doesn't say so in the rules (just checked them now). I never read the rules of the Vampire this game since I assumed that's how it always worked with that role.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 9, 2012 15:52:03 GMT -5
Oh, and thanks for not trying to kill me, Cabal/Wolves. We actually chose to investigate last night, not protect. Since when does the Cabal have a kill?
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 15:53:37 GMT -5
So I just realized that part of our Mason conundrum might have been due to the fact that Guiri got recruited at some point early in the game. If that were the case, the Cabalists would know he was a Mason and they could have just been faking circle-checking one another.
I looked back to see when the first mention of guiri was in the Mason circle. It was N3, when Suburban Plankton told us that he was a Mason. Then Boozy confirms guiri but denies Jan. peeker denies Boozy and Jan. Hoopy then steps in and confirms Guiri AND Jan. Guiri responds to Hoopy's post to confirm it, but he only officially quotes the one line of the post that deals with him.
I think I conclude from this that guiri got recruited sometime before N3. We woke up with guiri dead the following morning, so we won't get any more out of him. So I have to look at last Night and see who checked whom.
Hoopy confirms both Boozy and Burb. Burb confirms Hoopy and charlie, who investigated him. Boozy confirms Hoopy and charlie. charlie confirms Burb and Boozy. Bill refrains from confirming anyone.
Of the Masons, the one I believe the most is Boozy, because he denied Jan, which I wouldn't expect him to do if he were fellow Cabal. The one I believe the least is Hoopy, because he confirmed Jan, and because the almost-certainly-recruited-by-that-point guiri agreed with him. I'm a tweener on Burb--he's gotten a lot of confirmations, but he was the first to call guiri out, which he would have known if he were Cabal. Bill and charlie seem on the outside of this so far--if they're really Masons, I'd suggest one re-check Hoopy toDay and the other Burb.
What do you all think? My head hurts.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:55:01 GMT -5
Oh, and thanks for not trying to kill me, Cabal/Wolves. We actually chose to investigate last night, not protect. Since when does the Cabal have a kill? Why are you asking this? We don't know what they have. For all we know, they could have the power to kill. They had the power to kill in a previous game, IIRC.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 15:55:05 GMT -5
And to put my money where my mouth is...
Vote: Hoopy
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:58:10 GMT -5
I agree with DB about trusting Hoopy the least. I think he's lying about the Mason claim. I don't trust Suburban Plankton's claim that much either.
I'm more apt to believe the claims of Boozahol and Bill.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 15:59:30 GMT -5
So, mass claim time?
I think the remaining wolves will want to ignore this/me in fear of not having a place to hide, which is why I'm going to keep pressing it.
The other two Witches support a mass claim, by the way.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 9, 2012 16:02:54 GMT -5
Since when does the Cabal have a kill? Why are you asking this? We don't know what they have. For all we know, they could have the power to kill. They had the power to kill in a previous game, IIRC. It just seemed odd...you didn't say "thanks for not trying to kill me, Vampire/Wolves", which would have made perfect sense considering those are the two roles that are known to have killing powers (not counting the Vig, who shouldn't be targeting a claimed Witch in the first place). I just wonder why your mind went to "maybe the Cabal have a Secret Killing Power to go along with their Secret Recruitment power and their Secret Impersonation power", instead of "I'm glad the Vampire didn't kill me"
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 16:26:46 GMT -5
So, mass claim time?I think the remaining wolves will want to ignore this/me in fear of not having a place to hide, which is why I'm going to keep pressing it. The other two Witches support a mass claim, by the way. I think, if I'm not mistaken, that our unclaimed are: Ed Colby Nanook Me Hirka (who won't be claiming) Inner Stickler Sister Coyote CatInASuit deon (again, won't be participating) You can confirm two off of this list as Town, so that gets us down to 7 people, some of whom are Town, some Wolves (anywhere from 2-4 based on past games, and I'd guess the lower number), at least one Undead that we can be sure of--I'm beginning to wonder about the relative lack of NKs and what that means about us having a Vampire--and possibly a Cabalist or two, although I'm guessing most those are hiding among the claimed Masons. Only five people will actually be participating in this mass claim, since hirka and deon are goners at this point. The one problem I see with doing a mass claim is the lurkers, and specifically if they're some flavor of Scum. I really suspect that either we don't have a Vampire, or one or both of the lurkers are Vamps. If BOTH lurkers are Scum (let's say one's a vamp and one's a wolf), the mass claim essentially exposes the remaining Town without making Scum risk too much. And here's the final problem. If, as I suspect, the remaining Cabal is hiding amongst the Masons, we should probably resolve that issue before outing the last Witch. We're lucky in that they probably DON'T have a team kill, but they can advance their goals greatly by letting the other Scum kill off the Witches and hiding in the Mason pool as we try to figure out what the F is what. I'm honestly undecided as to whether the risk outweighs the rewards at this point. I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 16:27:46 GMT -5
Burb, what are you suggesting by that? Are you trying to hint that Idle is Undead?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 16:31:19 GMT -5
Why are you asking this? We don't know what they have. For all we know, they could have the power to kill. They had the power to kill in a previous game, IIRC. It just seemed odd...you didn't say "thanks for not trying to kill me, Vampire/Wolves", which would have made perfect sense considering those are the two roles that are known to have killing powers (not counting the Vig, who shouldn't be targeting a claimed Witch in the first place). I just wonder why your mind went to "maybe the Cabal have a Secret Killing Power to go along with their Secret Recruitment power and their Secret Impersonation power", instead of "I'm glad the Vampire didn't kill me" Because, as we have already established, I didn't know the Vampires kill for good in this game. I thought they only killed when they turned someone else into a Vampire.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 16:33:39 GMT -5
I think, if I'm not mistaken, that our unclaimed are: Ed Colby Nanook Me Hirka (who won't be claiming) Inner Stickler Sister Coyote CatInASuit deon (again, won't be participating) You can confirm two off of this list as Town... Actually, one of the town reads I got could be the head wolf...unless I'm missing something? Like I said, I think Wolves are the least likely to agree to a mass claim at this point. You a Wolf?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 16:35:30 GMT -5
Burb, what are you suggesting by that? Are you trying to hint that Idle is Undead? Yeah, I have no idea where he's going with that either. I think he's just trying to smudge subtly in case he wants a reason to vote for me later. How would I know Scathach was a Witch if I wasn't a Witch myself? Or that Pollux was a Wolf? Those would have had to have been pretty lucky guesses.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 16:49:33 GMT -5
I think, if I'm not mistaken, that our unclaimed are: Ed Colby Nanook Me Hirka (who won't be claiming) Inner Stickler Sister Coyote CatInASuit deon (again, won't be participating) You can confirm two off of this list as Town... Actually, one of the town reads I got could be the head wolf...unless I'm missing something? Like I said, I think Wolves are the least likely to agree to a mass claim at this point. You a Wolf? I suppose if one of your investigations is of someone who is a Freemason who has yet to claim Mason, it should be VERY suspect.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 9, 2012 16:51:18 GMT -5
Vote: Suburban Plankton
I don't like that post against Idle--I don't see the point in questioning Idle--he's proven himself in ways that I don't think he could have faked. Combine that with the Mason kerfluffle and I think we've found ourselves yet another Cabalist.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 17:00:48 GMT -5
Vote Peeker
I'm good with voting for Hoopy and Suburban too, though..but I think Peeker should be main priority.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 9, 2012 17:09:13 GMT -5
Actually, one of the town reads I got could be the head wolf...unless I'm missing something? Like I said, I think Wolves are the least likely to agree to a mass claim at this point. You a Wolf? Except the alpha wolf was outed as dead last Night, I think it was. And just for the record? I'm (almost) always against a mass claim, and you know that. Or should, we've played enough together. Plus, I think Drain has a point about not outing the other Witch until the Cabal situation is straightened out. I'm good with vote: peeker, though.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 17:24:18 GMT -5
Except the alpha wolf was outed as dead last Night, I think it was. You're making the same mistake that I did (at least, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was a mistake and not just playing stupid ) It's the Omega Wolf that shows up as town, not the Alpha.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 17:25:41 GMT -5
Omega Wolf is still out there (just checked the player list).
That could be one of the investigative Town results (that we got).
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Post by BillMc on Feb 9, 2012 17:37:14 GMT -5
Umm BillMC - you forgot to claim any results??? Sorry, I could have sworn I had attached my result. "Hoopy Frood is a Freemason." From Guiri's flip it appears recruitment rather than impersonation is in play - or possibly both. Which basically means that the mason handshakes don't hold any water.
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