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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 19:52:39 GMT -5
Did you just not actually read the rules for this game at all, or are things not already sufficiently confusing for you? As I've already said, the Cabal had a killing power in a previous game. For all we know, they could have one this game, although if they do, it's probably a "only use once" type of thing. And that's the way Vampires worked in previous games, so no, I didn't read the exact description of Vampire. I still don't understand how I could be ANYTHING other than a Witch. You give the example of "Well, Guiri wasn't what he said"...but see, that's because he was RECRUITED by the Cabal. It'd be kind of sucky if the Cabal could recruit the Witches considering they need them dead to win. So that'd be pretty damn game-breaking to set it up that way. So what's that leave? I'm Undead? How did I know Pollux was a Wolf, then? Lucky guess? Or that S was a Witch? Another lucky guess. Okay, how about Wolf? Well, then I'd know that Pollux was a Wolf already...but that still leaves the question of how I knew S was a Witch. Seriously, there should be ZERO doubt by now that I'm really a Witch. Sure, you could have worries that I was recruited somehow, but HOW would that make any sense? If it was possible to recruit a Witch (by ANY faction), that would screw the rest of the Witched royally, since I could just GIVE THEM UP and tell the scum teams who they are. So you're reaching. Very far. Extremely far. And I think it's because you're scum.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 19:57:31 GMT -5
Um, Ed..what are you talking about? You're not the last Witch.
Vote Special Ed
Juuuuuuust kidding! Unvote Special Ed
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Post by Nanook on Feb 9, 2012 20:03:08 GMT -5
I'll claim. I was thinking of doing it Today anyways.
I'm a Detective. I have jack and shit for results to share. The first two Days(D2 and D3), when we had one kill each Night, I got this.
Same again after, different name.
D4, I got a result. Said result was that texcat killed septimus.
Based on my results, I believe 100% that septimus was the Town Coroner. Both because of who killed him, but more important because my results match his reports regarding what happened to the corpse. I also think my results give us some more information.
My theory is that N1 and N2, when we had one kill, the Wolves choose not to kill at all. There's actually a lot of good reasons for this if you think about it. There's a lot of risk to them killing in the early game. It speeds up the Undead win con, they can target the Vamp and die, they can target a self protecting Witch Doctor, and/or they can be outed by Detective investigations. Lot of risk, easy to see them deciding not to chance it. Also, it points to Peeker being full of shit in regards to gnarly and the Cabal "block" being the reason for no kills.
I think my results also points to the Undead secret power. I'd bet that it's that the Vamp kill causes the target's corpse to be unable to be effected by other abilities. That is, no Coroner investigation, no Detective results(not that there would be ones anyways), and most importantly from the Undead standpoint, I'd be willing to bet no Vicar blessing. This seems like the type of secret power that would be useful for Undead, since it advances their win condition nicely, especially early where in this game we would have had basically no zombies if it didn't exist, and it helps sow confusion which also helps what is basically a SK.
Vote: peeker
As I said Yesterday, dude has only one goal at this point. And that's to cause as much chaos and confusion as he can. Keeping him alive is only going to cause issues as people give any credence to the bullshit he spins.
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 20:13:04 GMT -5
OK, so tell me about your secret power, peeker, and I'll reconsider my vote. i fuck like ron jeremy and cook like julia child. I think you got that backwards
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 20:20:17 GMT -5
Updating 1. Sister Coyote 2. Inner Stickler 3. colby11 4. Drain Bead 5. CatInASuit 6. hirkatbawa 7. deonWitches Idle Thoughts Mr Special Ed Detective Nanook Masons Hoopy Frood BillMc Boozahol Squid gnarlycharlie Suburban Plankton Coroner septimus - Killed Night Three - Alive Day Five Cabal peekercpa Dead Wolves mahaloth - Lynched Day One - Zombified Night One - Wolf - Werewolf texcat - Lynched Day Two - Zombified Night Two - Wolf - Alpha Wolf Pollux Oil - Lynched Day Three - Wolf Dead Town Witch scathach - Killed Night Two - Town - Witch - Zombified Night Four Mason JustBeingGinger - Killed Night One - Zombified Night Three - Town - Freemason Witchdoctor Merestil Haye - Killed Night Four Dead Cabal guiri - Killed Night Three - Cabal (was Town) Silver Jan - Lynched Day Four
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 20:21:48 GMT -5
Since I doubt it matters much anymore, the two TOWN INVESTIGATIONS over the last two days were CatInASuit and Nanook.
So they're either both Town, or one is Town and the other is the Omega Wolf.
Or, with all the Mason/Cabal/Recruitment stuff going on...I suppose both could be Cabal?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 9, 2012 20:29:39 GMT -5
Then who was blocking Septimus' reads on night kills? Since no one can do that shy of a secret power. And I can't see town doing that. So if the wolves secret power is a bonus kill, that leaves undead or cabal. So are you suggesting the necro can mask coroner results. Seems kind of an odd power for a non-killing role. Wolf secret power. How did it time out with the Alpha killing? was N3 masked or not? texcat, the Alpha Wolf, was lynched on Day 2. There was only one kill that Night. It was Night 3 that had an 'extra' kill. That Day's lynch was Pollux Oil. But it's possible that Pollux was the Omega Wolf, and that's where the Secret Power was associated.
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Post by Nanook on Feb 9, 2012 20:31:13 GMT -5
Three Cabal recruitments would be stupidly powerful. One time I can see, multiple would be ridiculous.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 9, 2012 20:32:12 GMT -5
Scratch that. Pollux was just a Wolf; that was revealed last Night.
But it doesn't seem that the 'extra' kill was associated with the Alpha Wolf kill, unless it was delayed.
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 20:44:38 GMT -5
Scratch that. Pollux was just a Wolf; that was revealed last Night. But it doesn't seem that the 'extra' kill was associated with the Alpha Wolf kill, unless it was delayed. Pollux's role won't be revealed unti toNight
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 9, 2012 21:19:38 GMT -5
So, imagine a game that starts with 1 Cabal who can recruit Masons. And 8 Masons? Jan Ginger guiri Boozy Hoopy Suburban gnarly Bill It's Day 5. Peeker could have already recruit 4 Masons. He would be the real threat. Quite scary. That really doesn't seem possible. Recruitment mechanics are the sort of thing that can sway one player. If the Cabal could recruit any one of 8 players, and eventually all of them, they'd wildly outweigh the Town, unless the Town started with tons of players. I mean, we know that there were at least 3 Wolves to start with, and one Undead. Plus, one more of either one of those (because people are still dying at night). How would this game be balanced for all four sides if there weren't at least one more of each faction, given the strength of this super-Cabal? And if that was the case, where would that leave the Town, whose masonry works as a method to directly destroy the Town's greatest weapon: the lynch?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 9, 2012 21:21:51 GMT -5
Scratch that. Pollux was just a Wolf; that was revealed last Night. But it doesn't seem that the 'extra' kill was associated with the Alpha Wolf kill, unless it was delayed. Pollux's role won't be revealed unti toNight Right. He was lynched Day 3, his Faction was revealed Night 4, but his Role won't be revealed until Tonight. So I was right the first time. Pollux might have been the Omega Wolf, and that could explain the extra kill on Night 4. Unless, of course, he was a Cabalist Wolf-Mason
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 21:27:30 GMT -5
So, imagine a game that starts with 1 Cabal who can recruit Masons. And 8 Masons? Jan Ginger guiri Boozy Hoopy Suburban gnarly Bill It's Day 5. Peeker could have already recruit 4 Masons. He would be the real threat. Quite scary. That really doesn't seem possible. Recruitment mechanics are the sort of thing that can sway one player. If the Cabal could recruit any one of 8 players, and eventually all of them, they'd wildly outweigh the Town, unless the Town started with tons of players. I mean, we know that there were at least 3 Wolves to start with, and one Undead. Plus, one more of either one of those (because people are still dying at night). How would this game be balanced for all four sides if there weren't at least one more of each faction, given the strength of this super-Cabal? And if that was the case, where would that leave the Town, whose masonry works as a method to directly destroy the Town's greatest weapon: the lynch? Yeah, I was thinking out loud.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 9, 2012 21:31:17 GMT -5
i fuck like ron jeremy and cook like julia child. I think you got that backwards we really need to get a life. because the second i posted that i knew that your response would be exactly that or at least something damn close. ;D
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 21:32:50 GMT -5
I think you got that backwards we really need to get a life. because the second i posted that i knew that your response would be exactly that or at least something damn close. ;D I assumed you were setting me up for the joke, and I just couldn't resist
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 9, 2012 21:40:23 GMT -5
Vote: Vote Peeker
Welcome back septimus!
I am having serious computer issues, may not be back around this Day cycle
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 21:41:39 GMT -5
[/color] Welcome back septimus! I am having serious computer issues, may not be back around this Day cycle[/quote] and you didn't claim? Vote: Colby
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 9, 2012 22:04:54 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot to do this:
vote: Peeker [/color]
Honestly, I'm getting concerned about the necro. But stabbing into the dark is a lot more dangerous than killing a guaranteed nonTown. But I'm thinking that we might have to soon if, for example, a Wolf gets found out.
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 22:16:12 GMT -5
I think you got that backwards we really need to get a life. because the second i posted that i knew that your response would be exactly that or at least something damn close. ;D ya know, if you really wanted to lvie another Day, you'd do everything you could to convince us of who the necro or the Vampire is. gnarly just doesn't seem to be cutting it
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 9, 2012 23:03:00 GMT -5
otay, i'll work on it. at this point the nec has got to be someone other than hirky or deon not in the mason business. i mean if one them is just posting zombie pms and not actually posting that is so all sorts of fucked up that they basically get shunned, at least by me. i mean we've got two cross confirming witches. so by default that kind of gets it down to [/b]nookie[/b], sis, colby or catina just by default.
now i give you my peek logic and i hope i don't piss anyone off. i don't think it's colby just because i don't think he would have lasted this long in a solo role. sis has been unnaturally quiet. maybe that explains the absence of multiple NKs (although i still think gnarlie is something). cat always is an outlier because i have never ever fucking ever gotten a good read on him.
and now we have coca cola man. he's a cagey fuck and plays his cards pretty damn close to the vest. the fact that he is harping on getting rid of me maks me highly suspicious about motivation. now he always gives me shit about my playstyle and that is cool. but based on the current game state his going down the road he is going down leads me to believe that his motivation is other than just not liking me. he knows the math as well or better than most of the folks that play. and he is an analytical shit. so to me vote for me with being distracting as a contributing factor seems "odd".
jeebuz.
i do make sense periodically.
vote nanook
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 9, 2012 23:13:40 GMT -5
and now we have coca cola man. he's a cagey fuck and plays his cards pretty damn close to the vest. the fact that he is harping on getting rid of me maks me highly suspicious about motivation. now he always gives me shit about my playstyle and that is cool. but based on the current game state his going down the road he is going down leads me to believe that his motivation is other than just not liking me. he knows the math as well or better than most of the folks that play. and he is an analytical shit. so to me vote for me with being distracting as a contributing factor seems "odd". Why him over anyone else, though? After all, he's been confirmed town by the witches, which means he's either town or Omega. And it's not as if he's the only one pushing for your lynch. You're an admitted non-town, and you haven't given us a better alternative. Besides, with all witches exposed, and one already dead, we need to take out cabal at this point anyway. Can you elaborate more on what "going down the road he is going down" actually means? 'Cause all I'm seeing is a bunch of weasel words.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 9, 2012 23:14:17 GMT -5
and when i say odd. it's like irrational numbers. like the square root of negative nine being 3i. i mean it's hard to compute but they do serve a purpose. nook is smart enough to understand their functionality even if they exist in a box not of his choosing.
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Post by special on Feb 9, 2012 23:17:03 GMT -5
otay, i'll work on it. at this point the nec has got to be someone other than hirky or deon not in the mason business. i mean if one them is just posting zombie pms and not actually posting that is so all sorts of fucked up that they basically get shunned, at least by me. i mean we've got two cross confirming witches. so by default that kind of gets it down to [/b]nookie[/b], sis, colby or catina just by default. now i give you my peek logic and i hope i don't piss anyone off. i don't think it's colby just because i don't think he would have lasted this long in a solo role. sis has been unnaturally quiet. maybe that explains the absence of multiple NKs (although i still think gnarlie is something). cat always is an outlier because i have never ever fucking ever gotten a good read on him. and now we have coca cola man. he's a cagey fuck and plays his cards pretty damn close to the vest. the fact that he is harping on getting rid of me maks me highly suspicious about motivation. now he always gives me shit about my playstyle and that is cool. but based on the current game state his going down the road he is going down leads me to believe that his motivation is other than just not liking me. he knows the math as well or better than most of the folks that play. and he is an analytical shit. so to me vote for me with being distracting as a contributing factor seems "odd". jeebuz. i do make sense periodically. vote nanook[/quote] worthless he investigated as Town. He could be the Omega, but he's not an undead.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 9, 2012 23:23:07 GMT -5
and now we have coca cola man. he's a cagey fuck and plays his cards pretty damn close to the vest. the fact that he is harping on getting rid of me maks me highly suspicious about motivation. now he always gives me shit about my playstyle and that is cool. but based on the current game state his going down the road he is going down leads me to believe that his motivation is other than just not liking me. he knows the math as well or better than most of the folks that play. and he is an analytical shit. so to me vote for me with being distracting as a contributing factor seems "odd". Why him over anyone else, though? After all, he's been confirmed town by the witches, which means he's either town or Omega. And it's not as if he's the only one pushing for your lynch. You're an admitted non-town, and you haven't given us a better alternative. Besides, with all witches exposed, and one already dead, we need to take out cabal at this point anyway. Can you elaborate more on what "going down the road he is going down" actually means? 'Cause all I'm seeing is a bunch of weasel words. ed asked my opinion. i gave it to him. the normal get rid of peeker because he is blah blah the fucking blah is shit you see early in a game when non town need a fucking nice easy lazy fucking lynch and he is a good enough player not to go down that path. for him to pull this shit now means to me, that he is fucking close to pulling off a steal. if town/wolf/cabal/whothefuckever don't understand that undead are the primary threat at this time with my upcoming lynch then i'm sorry i just can't fucking help. it's simple math. and his results are really kind of convenient.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 9, 2012 23:27:11 GMT -5
Wolf secret power. How did it time out with the Alpha killing? was N3 masked or not? texcat, the Alpha Wolf, was lynched on Day 2. There was only one kill that Night. It was Night 3 that had an 'extra' kill. That Day's lynch was Pollux Oil. But it's possible that Pollux was the Omega Wolf, and that's where the Secret Power was associated. Now who's not reading? We investigated Pollux and found he was a wolf. If he was the Omega Wolf, we'd have gotten a TOWN read.
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Post by Nanook on Feb 10, 2012 0:52:19 GMT -5
ed asked my opinion. i gave it to him. the normal get rid of peeker because he is blah blah the fucking blah is shit you see early in a game when non town need a fucking nice easy lazy fucking lynch and he is a good enough player not to go down that path. for him to pull this shit now means to me, that he is fucking close to pulling off a steal. if town/wolf/cabal/whothefuckever don't understand that undead are the primary threat at this time with my upcoming lynch then i'm sorry i just can't fucking help. it's simple math. and his results are really kind of convenient. You're playing the martyr, poor peeker Town always wants to lynch me card, but it doesn't work when you're NOT TOWN. Since you're, ya know, NOT TOWN, yes I can easily see you sowing confusion and being deliberately obtuse. I don't try to lynch you for this in normal games, but this isn't a normal game now is it? And I would argue my results are really quite inconvenient. I've been about as useful as tits on a bull so far. Unless I'm right about the Vamp at least.
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Post by Nanook on Feb 10, 2012 0:56:24 GMT -5
Also, in case someone is able to find a use for it, I requested two roles at the start of the game, neither of which I received. Witch, which is boring and I mentioned before. And Vampire. Which I didn't get. Someone who is not me should comb back over the early commentary on requesting vs not requesting a role and see if there's something to be had there.
(Ok it might be me, but it won't be me for at least a day. Feel free to do it before me.)
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 10, 2012 5:50:07 GMT -5
Curiouser and Curiouser, I think we have a bad attack of the recruitments. Running through this in order. 1. Guiri recruited by the Cabal - that has to be at least part of their secret power, if in fact, it wasn't the entire amount. 2. Septimus is lying in #3. The coroner gets their report at Dawn for Night Kills. He cannot have received a report for Guiri's death given he was killed the same Night. 3. By the rules, septimus has to be able to name his killer unless a secret power has been used. If that is the case, then it is very unlikely septimus is town anymore. 4. Mass Claiming - given the certainty of peeker's lynch today I would have much preferred to be clamiing tomorrow because it would possibly force NK's to hit the unknown pool again. 5. Idle Thoughts - please stop getting flashbacks to Conspiracy 1. Also, I think you have proven you are a Witch. Now all you have to do is play pro-town. 6. Nanook claims texcat (lynched Day 2) killed Septimus (killed Night 3). If that is the case it is the Wolf secret power. If it is not, it's someone trying to cover up being a Wolf. Seriously, the Alpha Wolf can come back from the grave to kill someone? If that is the case, then I would bet on septimus being recruited not just killed. 7. Pollux Oil is just a Wolf. If he was the Omega Wolf, then the Witch result on him would be Town. If Pollux Oil does come back as the Omega Wolf, we lynch Idle Thoughts tomorrow 8. Vote: peekercpa 9. I am Town.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Feb 10, 2012 6:09:51 GMT -5
[quote author=peekercpa board=consp5 thread=1850 post=86944 time=1328846580 i don't think it's colby just because i don't think he would have lasted this long in a solo role. [/quote]
i think Colby's gameplay has changed since we last played together. he's become more confident. he played pretty well as an SK in the Geeb recently. i'm not going to give him a pass. he's been pinging me this whole game. since most everyone else has claimed, i think he's not Town.
Vote Colby
Vote peeker
though i will unvote if Colby becomes a viable lynch.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 10, 2012 6:15:21 GMT -5
otay, i'll work on it. at this point the nec has got to be someone other than hirky or deon not in the mason business. i mean if one them is just posting zombie pms and not actually posting that is so all sorts of fucked up that they basically get shunned, at least by me. i mean we've got two cross confirming witches. so by default that kind of gets it down to nookie, sis, colby or catina just by default. Tsk, tsk, tsk peekercpa - you forgot to mention drain bead in that list of yours. Let's look at what we have shall we. Known Deadtexcat - Wolf - Alpha Wolf mahaloth - Wolf - Werewolf Pollux Oil - Wolfscathach - Town - Witch JustBeingGinger - Town - Freemasonguiri - Cabal RecruitUnknown DeadSilver Jan - suspected Cabal Merestil Haye - suspected Witchdoctor ClaimsHoopy Frood - Freemason BillMc - Freemason Suburban Plankton - Freemason Boozahol Squid - Freemason gnarlycharlie - Freemason peekercpa - Cabal Idle Thoughts - Witch Special Ed - Witch septimus - Coroner Nanook - Detective CatInASuit - Definitely Town but not telling you what yet. Unknowncolby11 Drain Bead Sister Coyote Absenthirkatbawa Inner Stickler deon I believe you will find your Necromancer, and Vampire if they exist, in the pool of three unknowns. The annoying thing is that we will have to kill the three absent people to make sure of this game in case any are absentee Cabal or Wolf. Along those lines Vote: colby11 Vote: Drain Bead Vote: Sister Coyote I am almost tempted to leave peekercpa alive and go for the unknown pool. If the Cabal can recruit more than one person, then this game is borked. A one Night mimic of Freemason powers and a single freemason recruit would be a strong but viable Cabal secret power.
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