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Post by special on Feb 12, 2012 17:29:36 GMT -5
Could there be no Vampire, but the Necro's power is to use a Zombie to do a killing?
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 12, 2012 18:26:09 GMT -5
That makes sense, but you'd think we'd have more deaths.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 12, 2012 19:34:04 GMT -5
That makes sense, but you'd think we'd have more deaths. and that makes sense, kind of, as well. all i know (or at least will share) is that gnarley was blocked the first two Nights where there was one death. when he wasn't blocked N3 there were two. probably just coincidence. and although i come from the radio station that merely plays one song over and over i just don't understand how town could vote for me since at this point i merely add to their numbers in preventing an undead win.
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Post by special on Feb 12, 2012 19:47:50 GMT -5
That makes sense, but you'd think we'd have more deaths. and that makes sense, kind of, as well. all i know (or at least will share) is that gnarley was blocked the first two Nights where there was one death. when he wasn't blocked N3 there were two. probably just coincidence. and although i come from the radio station that merely plays one song over and over i just don't understand how town could vote for me since at this point i merely add to their numbers in preventing an undead win. I'm so glad to have someone I can trust on my side. I was worried there for a moment that your win condition might want you to have increased Undead kills, since you know they won't target you. I can see now that I was wrong and you can certainly be trusted to give us useful information that increases your chance of losing.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 12, 2012 20:13:59 GMT -5
and that makes sense, kind of, as well. all i know (or at least will share) is that gnarley was blocked the first two Nights where there was one death. when he wasn't blocked N3 there were two. probably just coincidence. and although i come from the radio station that merely plays one song over and over i just don't understand how town could vote for me since at this point i merely add to their numbers in preventing an undead win. I'm so glad to have someone I can trust on my side. I was worried there for a moment that your win condition might want you to have increased Undead kills, since you know they won't target you. I can see now that I was wrong and you can certainly be trusted to give us useful information that increases your chance of losing. how do you know they won't target me. matter of fact i think they want/need me dead. if someone is blocked and no zombie shows up then bingo the nec has been found n. so yeh, the undead would love to see town lynch me. just removes a threat from their wincon that they don't need to deal with at Night. i mean, certainly, even you can see that. no one can win if the undead does you doofus. so by giving you useful information i kind of push on the chance of me winning. and if one faction can be eliminated that just seems to increase the odds of other factions having a chance of winning. gambler's fallacy perhaps?
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Post by special on Feb 12, 2012 20:34:26 GMT -5
I'm so glad to have someone I can trust on my side. I was worried there for a moment that your win condition might want you to have increased Undead kills, since you know they won't target you. I can see now that I was wrong and you can certainly be trusted to give us useful information that increases your chance of losing. how do you know they won't target me. matter of fact i think they want/need me dead. if someone is blocked and no zombie shows up then bingo the nec has been found n. so yeh, the undead would love to see town lynch me. just removes a threat from their wincon that they don't need to deal with at Night. i mean, certainly, even you can see that. no one can win if the undead does you doofus. so by giving you useful information i kind of push on the chance of me winning. and if one faction can be eliminated that just seems to increase the odds of other factions having a chance of winning. gambler's fallacy perhaps? The Undead want me to die along with Idle. That advances your win condition. The Undead want me dead a lot more than you do. Multiple Night kills also advance your win condition. Killing you might stop a necro block, but you obviously have failed at that so far. You didn't block gnarly last Night, so he's not the Vamp.
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Post by septimus on Feb 13, 2012 1:54:04 GMT -5
With the Necromancer approaching victory, Lynching Cabal should be low priority. In fact, given their strong secret powers (recruiting and disguise), peeker may be the only remaining Cabalist. Even CatInaSuit (likely Omega Wolf ?) might be a better Lynch than peeker, but we know Cat isn't Undead. But who is the Necromancer? I'm inclined to believe Stickler's claim, just because it's implausible. Wouldn't 2nd Detective be much more likely a fake claim than 3rd Warlock? Anyway, we need to think of a smarter Lynch than peeker, so ... Unvote: peekercpa
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Post by BillMc on Feb 13, 2012 3:24:54 GMT -5
Bill, the warlock's enchantment is not a protection, it's an avengement. I don't know about 3 warlocks but 2 warlocks doesn't strike me as being too many given the high likelihood of their ineffectiveness. Depends how you look at it -- "Kill X and you die too" is a fairly good protection - it's a really poor trade for the scum (in general). But septimus confirms nanook's story, so somehow a wolf apparently killed from the grave. Unless the vampire has the ability to detect as someone else as a killer to the detective. But then, why choose a dead role? Or it's a delayed kill like the warlock curse And Bill, if you really want to lynch a warlock, why are you voting all 3? It's not going to end up in one getting lynch, and it's probably a reasonable bet that at least one of them is telling the truth, though I can't see all three of them doing so. At the moment I'm undecided who may be truthful. Not a lot of posts from IS to make that judgement on -- nor SiSC for that matter.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 4:33:00 GMT -5
On secret powers:
Town: As yet, no sight of it
Cabal: Recuit and mimic freemasons
Wolf: Revenge kill according to both septimus and Nanook
Undead: despoil corpse
It appears that we have seen the three scum secret powers in this game
So, anything and everything else should be according to the rules. If Pleonest is handing out two/three part powers to teams, then I would consider that against the rules, which actually state that there is ONE secret power per team.
That should also mean no further misdirection of the witches etc. etc.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 5:24:20 GMT -5
Tsk, tsk admins - playing with profile names.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 5:39:26 GMT -5
Ok, what else.
1. Suburban Plankton - your comment that I voted for the people who had not claimed is incorrect and shows you did not read what I put down. I voted for them because they are the three people most likely to be the Necro and Vampire.
2. Although septimus has confirmed Nanook's result, he could still be a Wolf, who would know who killed septimus. Regardless, he is not undead.
3. Role Claim: I am a Scotsman. Mainly because I wanted to see if I could ever survive until the end of a game.
4. The Warlock role is strictly an anti-Wolf/anti-Vigilante role. Given that we have a Scotsman and a likely detective role in the game, adding Warlocks in would be grossly unfair to the Wolves. I am inclined to think that all three of them are lying.
Vote: Inner Stickler
The flipside is that if we do have a Warlock or two, there is no Detective.
5. Idle Thoughts.: As I stated, the only way to prove yourself was to name a Witch before death reveal. Congrats you did it, you're a Witch now. Until that point, there was no reason to trust you at all.
6. Unvote: peekercpa At this point, the Cabal are not quite the threat that the Undead are.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 5:51:18 GMT -5
My rough guess at the game makeup for 25 players:
Town: 14 3 Witches 7 Freemasons 1 Witch Doctor 1 Scotsman 1 Coroner + 1 other
Wolf: 6 1 Alpha Wolf 4 Wolf 1 Omega Wolf
Undead: 2 1 Necro 1 Vampire
Cabal: 3 - Gets one Freemason recruit 3 Cabal
Extra Claims: 3 Warlock 1 Detective 3 unknown
Makes for interesting reading. If all the masons are valid, I would hazard a guess that there is only one town member left out of all the claimants. Just a matter of working out which ones are Wolves, Undead or Cabal.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2012 7:04:45 GMT -5
If you think all three of us are lying, why vote only for Inner?
You and Sister Coyote's Wolf is showing.
Vote: CatInASuit
I think he's the Omega.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 7:34:46 GMT -5
If you think all three of us are lying, why vote only for Inner? You and Sister Coyote's Wolf is showing. Vote: CatInASuit [/color] I think he's the Omega. [/quote] Careful DB, your undead is showing. I suggest reading #89. And besides, I believe at this point in time we need the undead dead, more than we need the wolves dead. Your vote smacks of desperation to shift focus to someone else.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 7:46:05 GMT -5
I would like to request a full claim of what roles everyone requested.
More demand than request, but still.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 7:46:26 GMT -5
If you think all three of us are lying, why vote only for Inner? You and Sister Coyote's Wolf is showing. Vote: CatInASuit [/color] I think he's the Omega. [/quote] Careful DB, your undead is showing. I suggest reading #89. And besides, I believe at this point in time we need the undead dead, more than we need the wolves dead. Your vote smacks of desperation to shift focus to someone else. [/quote] I must agree with this.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 7:49:30 GMT -5
In the previous game, Pleo set up an order for assigning roles. When your name came up, you got the role that was available and was highest on your list.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 7:51:34 GMT -5
I would like to request a full claim of what roles everyone requested. More demand than request, but still. Oh why not. 1. Scotsman 2. Freemason 3. Cabal 4. Whatever would be the most amusing considering Squid's picks. ;D
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2012 8:59:33 GMT -5
If you think all three of us are lying, why vote only for Inner? You and Sister Coyote's Wolf is showing. Vote: CatInASuit [/color] I think he's the Omega. [/quote] Careful DB, your undead is showing. I suggest reading #89. And besides, I believe at this point in time we need the undead dead, more than we need the wolves dead. Your vote smacks of desperation to shift focus to someone else. [/quote] Sorry, forgot you'd earlier voted for me and Sister. Unvote: CIAS You are right, we do need the Undead dead. That's why I'm voting for Inner and Sis too. I think one is likely a wolf and the other the Necro.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2012 9:01:08 GMT -5
Also, taking into consideration #131, is that a soft claim of Scotsman?
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2012 9:01:38 GMT -5
(And because I forgot to throw this in--I'll reiterate from Day One that I made no request to Pleonast regarding my role.)
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 9:03:40 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot you'd earlier voted for me and Sister. Unvote: CIAS [/color] You are right, we do need the Undead dead. That's why I'm voting for Inner and Sis too. I think one is likely a wolf and the other the Necro.[/quote] Which, of course, raises the question of who you think the Vampire is. Or perhaps you maybe already know that. If you had thought that colby11 was the vampire you would have voted him already. But you haven't and the fact you are only looking for the necro and a wolf, kind of seals it really.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 9:06:27 GMT -5
Also, taking into consideration #131, is that a soft claim of Scotsman? No, I think point 3 of #130 is. Not to mention changing my name to CatInAKilt for a while. Then some bastard mod decided to change it to Ms. Catina Skirt.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 13, 2012 10:05:35 GMT -5
The Undead want me dead a lot more than you do. <snipped> that's the whole point ed. and outside of a lynch i have no way of killing you so why you want me dead is about perplexing to me while you don't seem to be prepared to go after someone who might kill you. just seems counter intuitive.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 10:58:06 GMT -5
Sooooo, I guess general apathy means we are going to lynch peekercpa then?
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Post by septimus on Feb 13, 2012 11:04:07 GMT -5
Unofficial vote counts, with 9 votes needed to Lynch:
10 votes: peekercpa: Drain Bead (1), septimus (3-126), Idle Thoughts (25), Sister Coyote (26), Mr Special Ed (32), Hoopy Frood (54), Nanook (62), colby11 (75), Boozahol Squid (77), CatInASuit (87-130), gnarlycharlie (88), Inner Stickler (110).
5 votes: colby11: Mr Special Ed (76), gnarlycharlie (88), CatInASuit (89), septimus (113), BillMc (114).
4 votes: Sister Coyote: CatInASuit (89), Drain Bead (102), septimus (113), BillMc (114).
3 votes: Inner Stickler: BillMc (114), Drain Bead (115), CatInaSuit (130).
2 votes: Suburban Plankton: Drain Bead (24) Mr Special Ed (38).
2 votes: Drain Bead: CatInASuit (89), BillMc (114).
1 vote: Hoopy Frood: Drain Bead (14).
1 vote: Nanook: peekercpa (79), Suburban Plankton (96-101).
1 vote: hirkatbawa: septimus (113).
1 vote: deon: septimus (113).
1 vote: CatInASuit: Suburban Plankton (96-101), BillMc (114), Drain Bead (132-138).
0 votes: Mr Special Ed: Idle Thoughts (61-61).
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2012 11:08:23 GMT -5
If we have a vampire, are the wolves doing no killings at all? We've already determined that the one extra kill we've had was done by a dead guy. If we have a vampire, it's gotta be a lurker, don't you think?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 13, 2012 11:10:29 GMT -5
I would like to request a full claim of what roles everyone requested. More demand than request, but still. Sure thing, boss. I made no request whatsoever.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 13, 2012 11:13:24 GMT -5
Not to mention changing my name to CatInAKilt for a while. Then some bastard mod decided to change it to Ms. Catina Skirt. I don't know what you're talking about. ::whistles cheerily::
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 13, 2012 11:14:12 GMT -5
Sooooo, I guess general apathy means we are going to lynch peekercpa then? Well, better a lynch of a cabal than no lynch at all. However, I can get behind a warlock lynch. As I said I don't see there being more than one warlock much less 3 of them. It's an untestable claim as well. As for you, you would also be a fine lynch, because you become confirmed upon your first death if telling the truth. And we know you're either truthful or Omega. But as far as the warlocks, if Sis isn't a warlock, I think she's a wolf. If Drain isn't a warlock, I think she's undead. Inner Stickler I have no clue on since he just decided to start playing, and giving him the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't been lurking undead (i.e. sending in actions but not participating in the dicusssion), which in my opinion is an unfair way to play, even if it's not bad strategy from a game theory standpoint, I would say if not warlock he's a wolf as well. Because the wolves only need one person to send in the kill anyway. So him not playing the past few Days doesn't change the gamestate much. So if we go after the warlock's, I say we hit Drain first. Vote: Drain Bead I'm keeping my vote on peeker for now, though, until we actually get enough to lynch drain.
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