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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 13, 2012 11:20:33 GMT -5
If we have a vampire, are the wolves doing no killings at all? We've already determined that the one extra kill we've had was done by a dead guy. If we have a vampire, it's gotta be a lurker, don't you think? Well either the Wolves have decided not to kill this game due to early losses and the kills are purely the vampire or... The Wolves secret power is to prevent identification of the body and the undead special power is to use a Zombie to perform an NK. However, if that is the case, there is absolutely no point in there being a detective in this game, as they could never get a result, so Nanook has to be the Omega Wolf, and that deon or hirka are a vampire if one exists. Actually, given that we have never seen two zombies on one Night by now, I would be amazed if there were two Necros given the lack of apparent vicar activity. Given what we have seen of the secret powers, the only balance for the undead is to have a vampire alongside. However, as there has only been one kill per Night it is highly unlikely there are two Vampires. So Occam's razor: wolves playing safe vs shiny secret power-a-rama from two scum sides and a hidden vampire and no detective. I'll go with no obvious Wolf Kill.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 13, 2012 11:44:35 GMT -5
Regarding the three Warlocks:
Drain Bead claimed in Post 5D-90 enchanted peeker Night 1 enchanted septimus Night 2 enchanted Suburban Plankton Night 3 enchanted Idle Thoughts Night 4
Sister Coyote claimed in Post 5D-99 enchanted Merestil Haye Night 1 enchanted BillMc Night 2 enchanted Idle Thoughts Night 3 enchanted Special Ed Night 4
Inner Stickler claimed in Post 5D-110 enchanted nobody, as he was not active
peeker had claimed Mason on Day 1 Idle thoughts claimed Witch on Day 1 septimus claimed Coroner on Night 1 BillMc claimed Mason on Night 2 Suburban Plankton claimed Mason on Day 3 Idle claimed that scathach was a Witch on Night 4 Merestil Haye claimed Witchdoctor on Night 4 Special Ed claimed witch on Day 5
Drain enchanted the claimed Mason on Night 1, the claimed Coroner on Night 2, another claimed Mason on Night 3, and a claimed Witch on Night 4.
SisC enchanted an Unknown on Night 1, one of 3 claimed Masons (and the one who had announced that he would be absent perhaps for the rest of the game) on Night 2, the claimed Witch on Night 3, and an Unknown (who has since claimed Witch ) on Night 4.
Drain's play is pulled straight from the Textbook. SisC's on the other hand, requires some thought to understand. It seems that she didn't trust peeker's claim...she protected the absent Bill over a number of other options, and she did not protect Idle last Night after he revealed the fact that one of the Witches had already been killed.
IMO, SisC is the most believable of the claims, because I think this fits her playstyle ("don't believe anyone, anytime, about anything, until they're dead"). While I can't find fault with Drain's play, it's so 'by the book' that it's really hard to say it was 'good play' either. And of course, Inner Stickler can't be judged by his play at all.
Since I think there isn't more than one Warlock at most,
vote Drain Bead vote Inner Stickler
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 13, 2012 12:12:52 GMT -5
If we have a vampire, are the wolves doing no killings at all? We've already determined that the one extra kill we've had was done by a dead guy. If we have a vampire, it's gotta be a lurker, don't you think? Well either the Wolves have decided not to kill this game due to early losses and the kills are purely the vampire or... The Wolves secret power is to prevent identification of the body and the undead special power is to use a Zombie to perform an NK. However, if that is the case, there is absolutely no point in there being a detective in this game, as they could never get a result, so Nanook has to be the Omega Wolf, and that deon or hirka are a vampire if one exists. Actually, given that we have never seen two zombies on one Night by now, I would be amazed if there were two Necros given the lack of apparent vicar activity. Given what we have seen of the secret powers, the only balance for the undead is to have a vampire alongside. However, as there has only been one kill per Night it is highly unlikely there are two Vampires. So Occam's razor: wolves playing safe vs shiny secret power-a-rama from two scum sides and a hidden vampire and no detective. I'll go with no obvious Wolf Kill. I agree with you the we have only one Necromancer, or if there is a second that it must be one of the three inactive palyers (including Inner Stickler in this group as he has been inactive up until Today). Regarding the Night Kills, you're saying that the Vampire is responsible for all of the kills except for septimus? And that septimus was killed by the Alpha Wolf as a delayed-kill Secret Power? If that's the case, then we have both a Necromancer and a Vampire among the active players...which suggests that either hirkatbawa or deon might be the Vicar? Or am I still completely befuddled here?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 13, 2012 12:28:34 GMT -5
A point to consider here...the Alpha Wolf is not a 'static' role in this game; that is, it is a role that is passed down from Wolf to Wolf in order of prominence.
So if the Wolves' Secret Power is that they get an extra Kill whenever the Alpha Wolf is lynched, we still may see another when and if we lynch the 'new' Alpha.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 13, 2012 12:40:53 GMT -5
Secret powers have never been inherited in the past conspiracy games, so it would be a first if true.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 12:45:50 GMT -5
The Undead want me dead a lot more than you do. <snipped> that's the whole point ed. and outside of a lynch i have no way of killing you so why you want me dead is about perplexing to me while you don't seem to be prepared to go after someone who might kill you. just seems counter intuitive. No. You miss my point entirely. I want the Vampire dead You want the Vampire to kill me. You have no incentive to allow me to figure out who the Vampire is until one more witch is dead.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 12:49:54 GMT -5
Secret powers have never been inherited in the past conspiracy games, so it would be a first if true. On my phone so it is difficult to check, but I believe a previous wolf power was passed down
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 13, 2012 13:19:27 GMT -5
Secret powers have never been inherited in the past conspiracy games, so it would be a first if true. It doesn't look like any of the Secret Powers being suggested here are direct duplications of previous Powers. Going by the game history that Ed posted back on Day 1: The Wolves had: A single recruitment in C1 A mass block in C2 A power-steal in C3 An extra kill by the Alpha Wolf immediately following any Wolf lynch in C4 The Undead had: A single Vampire recruitment and a single Necromancer protection in C1 A Necro ability to automatically zombify a dead Vampire in C2 Awareness of the identities of other Undead in C3 Attacks on Necromancer redirected to Zombies in C4 The Cabal had: Investigation block, Protection Block, Mass redirect in C1 A single Night Kill in C2 One Redirect per Cabalist in C3 Knowledge of role distribution and a one-Day/Night impersonation of any role for each Cabalist in C4 The Wolf 'extra kill after the Alpha Wolf is lynched' is similar to, but weaker than, their C4 Power. The Cabal impersonation is somewhat similar to part of their C4 Power, but in each case that is only part of their Power. The Undead 'desecration of corpses' Power is completely new. All of which means that we might have the non-Town Secret Powers identified...or we might not.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 13, 2012 15:24:00 GMT -5
I would like to request a full claim of what roles everyone requested. More demand than request, but still. Sure, I never requested any role.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 13, 2012 16:42:02 GMT -5
I didn't request any role.
I was willing to give DB the benefit of the doubt, because I see no reason to assume there wouldn't be duplication of one or more roles, including Warlock (though I still don't believe we have as many Masons as it would appear...). And, in fact, I'm still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
IS, on the other hand, makes me go o.O
Vote: Inner Stickler
I am comfortable with my vote where it is on peeker as well.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 13, 2012 18:34:11 GMT -5
Depends how you look at it -- "Kill X and you die too" is a fairly good protection - it's a really poor trade for the scum (in general). The enchantment is only active for the night it is cast. How do scum know who to avoid?
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 18:34:48 GMT -5
Vote: Hoopy Frood Vote: hirkatbawa Vote: gnarlycharlie Vote: Inner Stickler Vote: Sister Coyote Vote: Suburban Plankton Vote: Boozahol Squid Vote: deon
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 13, 2012 19:02:43 GMT -5
Gee, thanks, Ed, and here I was protecting yo' butt, too.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 13, 2012 19:06:31 GMT -5
IS, on the other hand, makes me go o.O I was one of the last people to claim and you think my scummy brain decided that jumping into the warlock pool was the smart choice? Not claiming one of the as yet unclaimed roles like magician or vigilante? I'm either really ballsy scum or really dumb. I'm certainly not the former, so I must be the latter. Thanks.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2012 19:50:39 GMT -5
Magician and Vig are pretty much impossible to fake, though. And there's no reason I can think of why a Vig wouldn't have struck either Peeker or Jan. That leaves Warlock, and if you argue well enough it'll keep you alive for a few cycles.
Yes, I realize that all the same claims can be made about me, but I can't help the role that I got.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 19:56:30 GMT -5
Let me ask a question for all of our Warlocks:
If you were Undead, which Townie role would you fake claim and why?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 13, 2012 20:31:00 GMT -5
Magician and Vig are pretty much impossible to fake, though. Au contraire, a magician would be ridiculously easy to fake. I am still alive, therefore I have not been attacked. All I needed to do was compile a list of proxies and I'm golden. Should I be attacked and my ruse discovered, it would be of little importance as I would be dead and not in danger of the lynch any more. When I say I haven't been here, I mean I haven't been here. A vig would have no reason to strike at Peeker or Jan if the vig doesn't know he should have. I could quite plausibly be either of those roles for all you know. But alas, I am not. Ed, I suppose the magician or the vicar. (No one has claimed the vicar, have they? That's another role that I could have tried that would have bought me a cycle or two, since the real vicar appears to be nonexistent or unaware.) Probably the magician, it's a harder role to vet.
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 21:16:12 GMT -5
Magician and Vig are pretty much impossible to fake, though. Au contraire, a magician would be ridiculously easy to fake. I am still alive, therefore I have not been attacked. All I needed to do was compile a list of proxies and I'm golden. Should I be attacked and my ruse discovered, it would be of little importance as I would be dead and not in danger of the lynch any more. When I say I haven't been here, I mean I haven't been here. A vig would have no reason to strike at Peeker or Jan if the vig doesn't know he should have. I could quite plausibly be either of those roles for all you know. But alas, I am not. Ed, I suppose the magician or the vicar. (No one has claimed the vicar, have they? That's another role that I could have tried that would have bought me a cycle or two, since the real vicar appears to be nonexistent or unaware.) Probably the magician, it's a harder role to vet. wrong answer. Can we lynch this guy, please?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 13, 2012 21:20:12 GMT -5
Do I get the honor of an explanation?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Feb 13, 2012 21:25:00 GMT -5
I would like to request a full claim of what roles everyone requested. More demand than request, but still. no requests for me. [/color] Vote: hirkatbawa [/color] Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color] Vote: Inner Stickler [/color] Vote: Sister Coyote [/color] Vote: Suburban Plankton [/color] Vote: Boozahol Squid [/color] Vote: deon [/color] [/quote] ---------------------- is it possible that Cabal can recruit more than once?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 13, 2012 22:14:10 GMT -5
Feel free to kill one of us toNight, scum, we'll be investigating, not protecting. : )
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Post by special on Feb 13, 2012 22:39:59 GMT -5
Feel free to kill one of us toNight, scum, we'll be investigating, not protecting. : ) you lying sack of shit. I don't want to die toNight.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 13, 2012 23:03:47 GMT -5
well it seems apparant that one of the warlocks is lying (duh). i kind of would hope that either our nec or a wolf live there. but yet i remain the vote leader. go figure those apples.
unvote all
vote draino vote inner vote sis[/color
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 13, 2012 23:06:38 GMT -5
fuck a duck.
vote draino vote inner vote sis
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Post by septimus on Feb 14, 2012 2:35:15 GMT -5
I do NOT think we should Lynch Inner Stickler. Call me gullible if you wish, but I agree with him that the only plausible explanation for his "suspicious-looking" claim is that ... it is true. Here are the role preferences I sent to Pleo: 1) Coroner 2) Scotsman 3) Warlock 4) FreeMason 5) Wolf 6) Witch 7) Cabalist (Since I'm suspicious even when Town, Coroner -- a self-confirming role appropriate for early reveal -- seemed best for me. )
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 14, 2012 4:58:59 GMT -5
well it seems apparant that one of the warlocks is lying (duh). i kind of would hope that either our nec or a wolf live there. but yet i remain the vote leader. go figure those apples Surprisingly enough, I find myself in agreement with our scummy Cabal member. The cabal are not a problem at this time, the undead now are. It is highly likely the Vampire and Necro are in the group of: Drain Bead - Claimed Warlock Sister Coyote - Claimed Warlock colby11 - no claim Can we get one of these people lynched please? I will point out that although Inner Stickler has also claimed Warlock, he hasn't been around to play so the chance of him being Undead is small, although it is quite possible he is scum. If I had to pick two, I would say Drain Bead and colby11 were the undead. Just for note, with pretty much all the town revealed, if both a vampire and wolf start NK'ing, we are going to run out of town players far quicker than we can lynch scum. In reality, we need the Vampire dead toDay.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 14, 2012 5:28:23 GMT -5
The cabal are not a problem at this time, the undead now are. It is highly likely the Vampire and Necro are in the group of: Drain Bead - Claimed Warlock Sister Coyote - Claimed Warlock colby11 - no claim Can we get one of these people lynched please? I will point out that although Inner Stickler has also claimed Warlock, he hasn't been around to play so the chance of him being Undead is small, although it is quite possible he is scum. If I had to pick two, I would say Drain Bead and colby11 were the undead. Just for note, with pretty much all the town revealed, if both a vampire and wolf start NK'ing, we are going to run out of town players far quicker than we can lynch scum. In reality, we need the Vampire dead toDay. I would agree with that. While we have two witches alive, the cabal is no threat to a town victory - yet we still have the bulk of folk voting for peeker. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Day Five VotesWith 17 living players, 9 votes are needed to lynch. Votes as of Post 159: 10 votespeekercpa: Drain Bead (1), septimus (3-126), Idle Thoughts (25), Sister Coyote (26), Mr Special Ed (32), Hoopy Frood (54), Nanook (62), colby11 (75), Boozahol Squid (77), CatInASuit (87-130), gnarlycharlie (88), Inner Stickler (110). 5 votescolby11: Mr Special Ed (76), gnarlycharlie (88), CatInASuit (89), septimus (113), BillMc (114). Inner Stickler: BillMc (114), Drain Bead (115), CatInASuit (130), Suburban Plankton (151), Sister Coyote (159). 4 votesSister Coyote: CatInASuit (89), Drain Bead (102), septimus (113), BillMc (114). Drain Bead: CatInASuit (89), BillMc (114), Hoopy Frood (149), Suburban Plankton (151). 2 votesSuburban Plankton: Drain Bead (24) Mr Special Ed (38). 1 voteHoopy Frood: Drain Bead (14). Nanook: peekercpa (79), Suburban Plankton (96-101). hirkatbawa: septimus (113). deon: septimus (113). CatInASuit: Suburban Plankton (96-101), BillMc (114), Drain Bead (132-138). 0 votesMr Special Ed: Idle Thoughts (61-61). peekercpa will be lynched with these votes.
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 14, 2012 6:29:06 GMT -5
Something did just occur to me to ask.
Pleonast: how many zombies are there?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Feb 14, 2012 6:57:51 GMT -5
i'm currently voting for peeker and Colby.
i'm willing to unvote peeker to lynch Colby. however, if no other wagon challenges peeker's i'd rather lynch him than have a no-lynch.
i must admit that i feel paranoid about Cabal's recruitment power. is it possible they can recruit more than one?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 14, 2012 7:15:46 GMT -5
The only people who could answer that are cabal and I imagine they have little interest in sharing the limits of their power.
I'm not dead set on a peeker lynch but I agree that a no lynch is worse. Vote: colby
I will try to stop in again before the end of the Day but odds are I won't have a chance.
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