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Post by Chronos on Apr 21, 2012 22:17:37 GMT -5
A thought: All these Packrat folks do know that a Mafia game takes a couple of months to play, right? I'd hate to see a bunch of folks join only to drop out after a week when they realize what they're getting in to.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Apr 21, 2012 22:24:10 GMT -5
If I am not too late, I would like to participate. But I have no idea concerning the what or how of Mafia games.
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Post by Colby11 on Apr 22, 2012 1:20:07 GMT -5
Basic rules... I would think that Chris would post something soon, but for those who are concerned about what they are getting themselves into, here is the jist of it
Mafia is divided into two teams, Town and Scum. Town usually outnumbers Scum (for example, in a game with 30 players, there will be 5 to 6 players who are on the scum team). Scum have the advantage of talking to each other, and knowing who the other scum are, while Town does not (with the exception of a few roles, like masons who are Town players who can talk to one another and know that they are Town).
Each cycle is broken down into a Day cycle and a Night cycle. During the day, everyone can talk, and one player will be selected to be killed, by voting for who they think is scum. All players, both Town and Scum, votes. At the end of the Day cycle, the player with the most votes is killed, and their team is revealed ( example- Colby was lynched, and he was a member of Town).
At night, Scum decide on a Town player that they want to kill. Town does have powers that can block this kill. Also, judging by what Chris said, there will also be roles that investigate a person's team, as well as Town players who can kill.
At the end of the Night phase, all who were killed are revealed, as well as their team.
Town's objective is to kill all Scum players, while Scum players only try to outnumber Town players.
I think that is a basic set of rules for everyone to look over.... Anyone, feel free to add anything to this
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Post by patricia on Apr 22, 2012 8:21:38 GMT -5
Ok - I'm in sounds like fun
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Post by cassipietz on Apr 22, 2012 8:58:04 GMT -5
I join
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Post by Meeko on Apr 22, 2012 9:07:51 GMT -5
while Town does not (with the exception of a few roles, like masons who are Town players who can talk to one another and know that they are Town). There has been some contention on this. Apparently being a Mason simply means that someone else knows you are town. Masons may or may not get their own off board communication*. * Certain groups of players get a second message board and URL to communicate on. Scum most often, if not all of the time will get an "off board" board. Masons will as well, on occasion. There have been games with more than two factions, but I don't think that will be the case here. It would kinda kill the game aspect, if I am town, and I see the two (or more) of you guys in the corner whispering....... Which also brings up another point. There is no communication with other players outside of the game. Everything you say or do must be on a board. As I hammer these clarifications out, it dawns on me that nearly everything I am saying does, from time to time have exceptions based on how complex the game is. I'm assuming that the above rules I've stated won't be changed, given this is a intro - newbie friendly game. Not sure if the newbies play Magic: The Gathering, but in case they do, Mafia follows the Magic Golden Rule, which paparphrased is "These rules work, unless something else says they don't. If there is conflict, the thing saying they don't work is controlling." If you've ever played those logic puzzles where you have to figure out certain details about a given population; "Suzy lives in the red house, and can see the dog and it's owner across the street" And then you know that Suzy doesn't own the Dog, but has the red house... and that the Dog owner must have a house colored somethng other than red.... And "The dog and the cat live next door to each other" And you go back and forth to eliminate and deduce who owns what house, and what pet, where on the block. Mafia is kinda like that. -Kinda. You have opinions and feelings about how the game is going, and you should state them. Just, be aware that your statements will then fuel other statements and opinions..... Rinse Lather Repeat.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 22, 2012 9:11:49 GMT -5
There is also a bunch of etiquette that is more or less expected.
If we were already playing, It would be expected for me to state that I " Snipped " part of Colby's quote.
Context, and lack of Context, things that just don't look right, and things that make other things just don;t look right, WILL occur.
There are a few more examples, but I think the best way to work with them, will be as we encounter them in the wild. That is, as they occur in the game.
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Post by allyjayne on Apr 22, 2012 9:23:03 GMT -5
can I join please?
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Post by Meeko on Apr 22, 2012 9:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 22, 2012 12:39:27 GMT -5
OOG ( and we aren't in it yet anyway) @ Meeko I love logic puzzles [geek handshake]
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Post by amyliz421 on Apr 22, 2012 16:19:46 GMT -5
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Post by jerelijah on Apr 22, 2012 22:34:16 GMT -5
I'm in
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Post by Meeko on Apr 22, 2012 23:59:16 GMT -5
OOG ( and we aren't in it yet anyway) @ Meeko I love logic puzzles [geek handshake] It over simplifies it, but that IS mafia, right?
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Post by Colby11 on Apr 23, 2012 0:56:52 GMT -5
Figures that I would leave some rules out.... Thanks Meeko
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Post by special on Apr 23, 2012 10:41:00 GMT -5
OOG ( and we aren't in it yet anyway) @ Meeko I love logic puzzles [geek handshake] It over simplifies it, but that IS mafia, right? of course, some of the information given out is false. And most of it isn't clearly stated as fact. And very little of it can be trusted. So there is a lot of interpretation going on.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Apr 23, 2012 10:49:18 GMT -5
This sounds very interesting. I am actually looking forward to it. So when does it start? Does our knowledge of the start depend on our checking this thread daily, or...
Who decides who is in Town and who is scum?
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Post by Meeko on Apr 23, 2012 11:07:17 GMT -5
This sounds very interesting. I am actually looking forward to it. So when does it start? Does our knowledge of the start depend on our checking this thread daily, or... Who decides who is in Town and who is scum? Once the game starts proper, you will receive your role (character). As Idle is the Moderator for this game, he will give you the information you require then. Your role then has further instructions and alignment. From this, you can ask the mod a question AND if needed, recevie information as "word of mod"Questions to the mod are usually in Green, so that the Mod can find them easier. Items that come down as word of Mod are 100% Gospel Truth. As it were. With the [hopefully] now expected Caveats : 1. Assuming this is a newbie friendly game, I assume questions can be asked. It would kinda defeat the purpose of the game, and it's presentation / invitation if you guys couldn't ask questions. 2.There is an off shoot of Mafia games that have been termed "Gastard" Except with a B. [Let's not use the word, in case you have filters that flag on that word.] In those types of games, everything gets thrown out the window. Again, I doubt that this game will employ the caveats.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 23, 2012 11:10:43 GMT -5
It over simplifies it, but that IS mafia, right? of course, some of the information given out is false. And most of it isn't clearly stated as fact. And very little of it can be trusted. So there is a lot of interpretation going on. Mafia can not work without deductions. Logic puzzles, of the type I was trying to describe can't event exist without deductions. Yes, Mafia by the set up needs one team [Scum] to misrepresent. KNOWING this before the game starts, you can then use that to further your deductions, not take away from them.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 23, 2012 11:23:29 GMT -5
This sounds very interesting. I am actually looking forward to it. So when does it start? Does our knowledge of the start depend on our checking this thread daily, or... Who decides who is in Town and who is scum? A few of the players are also playing the Batman / Arkham game. We could be waiting for that game to end. [It's been going on for a while now, and a lot of the players have died in the game already. This to say of the 30 startying players, we are already down to 6 players left] Also, Mafia games require a certain number of players before they can start. There is a complicated [relative] formula that must* be met for a game to work. This formula would require a certain number of players at start. Daily participation would probably be nice. Granted that is not going to happen for a few players, and that's ok too. The game works best when the game is active. If players aren't active, the pieces of the puzzle, as such, can't come together. It is not uncommon for players to outright ask other players direct questions to other players. Chronos : Would you agree? @specialed: Do you still have that "I Heart Meeko" sweater you said you had, over at Giraffes? Bolding of other players names helps, especially if you want that player to see the question. *Or at least should. This is the goal, and a few games do not meet this benchmark, and are Unbalanced. The Debated on How to balance a game and what metrics to give it, would fill it's own thread, and that thread is not this one.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 23, 2012 11:25:24 GMT -5
In other news, I can't type today. If a letter looks out of place, but a letter next to it on the keyboard would suffice, please make the substitutions as needed. yhamk you bery muvh.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 23, 2012 11:28:04 GMT -5
I need to go, and I'm not one to cover this, but could someone else please do the entire "Always preview your post" and "Editing is a scum tell" topics?
Hrrm.
Ed?
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Post by Chronos on Apr 23, 2012 11:49:44 GMT -5
Yes, the Town players (the good guys, the folks who aren't Mafia) are trying to figure out who is or isn't Mafia so they can lynch the right people, and asking other specific players questions (like "Why did you cast that vote?", or "What are your thoughts on <third player>?", or "Why is your behavior different in this case than in this very similar case earlier in the game?") is one way of trying to figure that out. The players who are Scum (or Mafia or Werewolves or whatever, the bad guys) already know who each other are, and so don't need to figure things out, but they'll still usually ask questions like this, because they're trying to look like they're Town, and Town asks questions like that, so they do too.
Don't take it personally, by the way, if someone accuses you of being Scum, or of lying, or the like: That's just the way the game is played. Most accusations turn out to be incorrect, and some are even deliberately incorrect (a Scum accusing a Townie trying to get them lynched). It's no more personal than someone tackling you in football, or capturing your pieces in chess, except that, since most people don't know who each other are, it can also come from one of your teammates.
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 23, 2012 14:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Apr 24, 2012 8:57:55 GMT -5
Snipped And very little of it can be trusted. So there is a lot of interpretation going on. Wait wait wait. Very little of the information in the game can be trusted? I can't reconcile this with the fact that, for most games, a VAST majority of the game is Town. What am I missing here, Ed? If you are going to start the game, no trusting anyone, you are going to find a lot of false positives in your scum hunting, methinks. Which could explain everything. You don't trust me very much, do you? How do you already know my alignment for this game, when I haven't even gotten my Role?
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Post by Paranoia on Apr 24, 2012 18:01:03 GMT -5
I'll IN - hopefully I'll have my new computer by time this starts.
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Post by melissashort on Apr 24, 2012 21:58:21 GMT -5
count me in
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 25, 2012 12:55:51 GMT -5
Gaaa...cannot decide.
My crap play in Batman II made it clear to me that I should head back into retirement, but...this setup sounds so damn intriguing. Let's call it a definite maybe.
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Post by lauriern on Apr 25, 2012 13:02:44 GMT -5
Hi Chris, I was finally able to reigster. I'd like to join the game if it's not too late & there's still room.
Laurie Trzcinski (PackRat)
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Post by special on Apr 25, 2012 19:46:47 GMT -5
Snipped And very little of it can be trusted. So there is a lot of interpretation going on. Wait wait wait. Very little of the information in the game can be trusted? I can't reconcile this with the fact that, for most games, a VAST majority of the game is Town. What am I missing here, Ed? If you are going to start the game, no trusting anyone, you are going to find a lot of false positives in your scum hunting, methinks. Which could explain everything. You don't trust me very much, do you? How do you already know my alignment for this game, when I haven't even gotten my Role? You can't trust it because you don't KNOW if it's true or not. It could be true, it could be false. Hense, you can't trust it. I mean, I could make 100 dinners and only poison 10 of them. Would you trust those odds well enough to eat one of them?
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Post by Meeko on Apr 25, 2012 20:59:27 GMT -5
You can't trust it because you don't KNOW if it's true or not. It could be true, it could be false. Hense, you can't trust it. I mean, I could make 100 dinners and only poison 10 of them. Would you trust those odds well enough to eat one of them? Yes, I would take 1:10 odds.
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