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Post by AmyKay on May 14, 2012 20:09:50 GMT -5
This confused me a lot. At first, I read it as you were calling me naive and trying to play innocent. But you were really agreeing with me, and the "you" refers to michelehunter, right? YES! LOL I was agreeing with you Ed and calling out Michelehunter! I'm sorry, I said it earlier today I've got a sinus infection and my head is spinning. dizzymrslizzy said earlier TODAY that she's got a sinus infection... I don't see any post like that... unless she said it on the secret scum boards... unless I missed a post in her past?
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Post by lianne on May 14, 2012 20:12:44 GMT -5
Gosh this is a lot to take in. 4 people gone already. The post that bothered me in the night was this one Guys it seems odd to me that 14 people all vote for one person, and there are 15 scum. Hypothetically if one doesn't vote or is inactive, then shouldn't we start with that lynch as to avoid a second mislynching? That's what I will be basing my votes on. How does laxrules know there are 15 scum??
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 20:15:58 GMT -5
Gosh this is a lot to take in. 4 people gone already. The post that bothered me in the night was this one Guys it seems odd to me that 14 people all vote for one person, and there are 15 scum. Hypothetically if one doesn't vote or is inactive, then shouldn't we start with that lynch as to avoid a second mislynching? That's what I will be basing my votes on. How does laxrules know there are 15 scum?? Check day 0 I think it is. Someone posted that a quarter are scum and continued to say 1/4 of 60=15. Looking back I was enlightened as to how unlikely it is for the scum to all vote the same. But it's my first game so im learning.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 14, 2012 20:23:24 GMT -5
YES! LOL I was agreeing with you Ed and calling out Michelehunter! I'm sorry, I said it earlier today I've got a sinus infection and my head is spinning. dizzymrslizzy said earlier TODAY that she's got a sinus infection... I don't see any post like that... unless she said it on the secret scum boards... unless I missed a post in her past? TODAY as in This Calendar Day not in DAY 2. From the NIGHT 1 thread late last night (I thought it was after I woke up, but it was from last night): I went off Post #660 in Day 1. Rich, I'm going with your list, except Elizabeth, kimpyle, and melissa dropped out of the game.... and mistde was just added, so I didn't include them on my list. The other 3 I missed their vote....sorry. My head is all cloudy from being sick all weekend, so I blame it on that. Nyquil & pillow here I come!
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 20:27:58 GMT -5
Day 0 page 3 middle of page. Sorry I misunderstood this as law.
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Post by AmyKay on May 14, 2012 20:31:58 GMT -5
dizzymrslizzy - sorry. I understood the calendar day part, but only looked at today, not last night. hope you feel better!
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Post by special on May 14, 2012 20:33:32 GMT -5
I'm going to see how these votes play out and I might re assess my strategy. Can someone look at supermels post on page four of night one and share their opinions. I don't want to seem so narrow minded. HJere was my initial comment on it: I feel dumb i voted off town now and had i been able to get online- i am not sure if i would have changed my vote when it was made clear scum were not communciating on day time on their boards. . I honestly i really like this game and i am suprised... it is harder than i expected and i am anxious to see how more things will play out. Can scum communicate by PM's during the day when their secret board is closed?We have a term called Scum gloating. We use it most often when a Town player gets lynched or NK'd and they go "Shucky Darn, I'm so sorry." While on the inside they are gleeful. or did you mean this comment? The reason i was asking, if you go back and look to my reasons to vote off starrian was that i someone had wondered if some of her posts had changed slightly due to suspected feedback from other scum.. then idle said that the scum boards were closed during the day after i voted. I am told to go with my gut- and i find the communication of the scum to be of interest in trying to figure who might be scum and i other than bother idle by PM I can't ask questions any other way. i have never played a round of this game before and don't understand everything, i hope every question i ask does not make me on the chopping block It was an innocent question and i am unsure how that would make me a suspect.
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 20:37:05 GMT -5
I'm going to see how these votes play out and I might re assess my strategy. Can someone look at supermels post on page four of night one and share their opinions. I don't want to seem so narrow minded. HJere was my initial comment on it: We have a term called Scum gloating. We use it most often when a Town player gets lynched or NK'd and they go "Shucky Darn, I'm so sorry." While on the inside they are gleeful. or did you mean this comment? The reason i was asking, if you go back and look to my reasons to vote off starrian was that i someone had wondered if some of her posts had changed slightly due to suspected feedback from other scum.. then idle said that the scum boards were closed during the day after i voted. I am told to go with my gut- and i find the communication of the scum to be of interest in trying to figure who might be scum and i other than bother idle by PM I can't ask questions any other way. i have never played a round of this game before and don't understand everything, i hope every question i ask does not make me on the chopping block It was an innocent question and i am unsure how that would make me a suspect. [/quote] I meant the first but really both seem to me like fabricated bs. So I'm staying my way for a little.
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Post by lianne on May 14, 2012 20:42:32 GMT -5
Gosh this is a lot to take in. 4 people gone already. The post that bothered me in the night was this one How does laxrules know there are 15 scum?? Check day 0 I think it is. Someone posted that a quarter are scum and continued to say 1/4 of 60=15. Looking back I was enlightened as to how unlikely it is for the scum to all vote the same. But it's my first game so im learning. Hmm. Not totally convinced. I am also suspicious of LadyRogue, who popped up at the end of Day 1 too late to vote and then again at the end of Night 1 - was she rushing to vote on the Scum boards in the same way? And wombat99 who said But at least one townie will be killed at the end of Night, shouldn't we share our observations in case we are the one killed? when we didn't know that more than one person was going to die. And thirdly, SpecialEd for starting the votes which resulted in starrirain's death...
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Post by Meeko on May 14, 2012 20:55:41 GMT -5
Given the sheer numbers, I was expecting a body count to start off day 2.
I was also expecting not to be here, given my, performance on Day 1.
That being said, we move on.
And moved on we have. It looks like we already have a vote leader / bandwagon and a few other cases going on already. I think you guys have picked up the game, and are running with it.
Someone asked if we could quote Day 1 into Day 2. I would hope so, that is exactly what we need to do, in order to play Mafia well. Cases need to build, and you can't build the second floor, without the first. You can't build the third, without the second [and therefore first] floor.
I need to re-read day 2 already, because I think there is a good case in here already, I'm just not sure where.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 14, 2012 20:55:47 GMT -5
I am also suspicious of LadyRogue, who popped up at the end of Day 1 too late to vote and then again at the end of Night 1 - was she rushing to vote on the Scum boards in the same way? YES, I noticed that too, but I wasn't ready to call her out on it yet. And wombat99 who said But at least one townie will be killed at the end of Night, shouldn't we share our observations in case we are the one killed? when we didn't know that more than one person was going to die. Nice one I missed that completely. Wombat hasn't sat right with me since his initial targeting of me. I didn't really have anything to go on but a gut feeling, but my Gut is really aching with him. And thirdly, SpecialEd for starting the votes which resulted in starrirain's death... Another interesting one. Special Ed has early on started an early vote bandwagon first on Starrirain, and now on Michelehunter. Gaderine (sp) was also in early on the Starrirain lynch. I'll be interested to see where he ends up after this vote. I also find it odd that neither one was targeted by Scum. Both have been uber helpful to us newbies....I would imagine the scum team would rather us newbie town players be confused rather than let them continue to "help".
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 20:59:55 GMT -5
I am also suspicious of LadyRogue, who popped up at the end of Day 1 too late to vote and then again at the end of Night 1 - was she rushing to vote on the Scum boards in the same way? YES, I noticed that too, but I wasn't ready to call her out on it yet. when we didn't know that more than one person was going to die. Nice one I missed that completely. Wombat hasn't sat right with me since his initial targeting of me. I didn't really have anything to go on but a gut feeling, but my Gut is really aching with him. And thirdly, SpecialEd for starting the votes which resulted in starrirain's death... Another interesting one. Special Ed has early on started an early vote bandwagon first on Starrirain, and now on Michelehunter. Gaderine (sp) was also in early on the Starrirain lynch. I'll be interested to see where he ends up after this vote. I also find it odd that neither one was targeted by Scum. Both have been uber helpful to us newbies....I would imagine the scum team would rather us newbie town players be confused rather than let them continue to "help". [/quote] That's really good thinking Dizzymrslizzy. Idk how the odds are that both and maybe even meeko are all scum. I feel almost lulled into a false sense of security about Ed. Still. Supermel slipped up and I'm staying still.
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Post by lianne on May 14, 2012 21:03:47 GMT -5
And thirdly, SpecialEd for starting the votes which resulted in starrirain's death... Another interesting one. Special Ed has early on started an early vote bandwagon first on Starrirain, and now on Michelehunter. Gaderine (sp) was also in early on the Starrirain lynch. I'll be interested to see where he ends up after this vote. I also find it odd that neither one was targeted by Scum. Both have been uber helpful to us newbies....I would imagine the scum team would rather us newbie town players be confused rather than let them continue to "help". Yes it was the fact SpecialEd seemed to be rallying us all into a 2nd bandwagon which alerted me - and you have a good point when you say it's odd that Scum didn't kill him off.
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Post by AmyKay on May 14, 2012 21:07:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I feel about Ed making a lot of sense so far this game to me. We weren't on the same page like this in Little Mermaid when we were both Town, Ed. Then again, we were both scum in Arkham, and if I had been Town there I'm not sure I would have felt you were making a ton of sense in that game either. Bottom line: I think you've been really cogent and incisive so far. Hope you're on my team. Samesies. laxrules017 jumped on that a bit quickly. But the bigger issue, I think, is the cute “samesies” instead of adding on anything else – like laxrules just wanted to blend in and be on “the good team.” Probably a bit novice of an assessment, but given lianne’s suggestion about laxrules knowing a specific scum number, it might add to the case?
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Post by Meeko on May 14, 2012 21:12:57 GMT -5
Older Players: Am I as hard to understand as michelehunter and laxrules?
If so, I apologize.
I would like to vote for one or the other of them. If only I could understand them.
It can't be a slip of pis if they are town, now can it? Benefit of the doubt until I can figure this out.
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 21:13:04 GMT -5
Well as this is my first game I'm still trying to figure things out. Can I ask a question? You say I'm scum but how can you assess that based off of me pointing out an obvious slip up by Supermel. I assure you I am town. But a noob town at that.
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 21:15:37 GMT -5
Sorry if I don't know your lingo to facilitate communication. And I am quick to point out when I like someone's point. I guess according to Amy that's incriminating. Sorry for complementing your ideas Ed.
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Post by special on May 14, 2012 21:17:52 GMT -5
Well as this is my first game I'm still trying to figure things out. Can I ask a question? You say I'm scum but how can you assess that based off of me pointing out an obvious slip up by Supermel. I assure you I am town. But a noob town at that. Oh, well since you assure us of your Towniness, we should stop suspecting you, eh?
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Post by jmj697mn on May 14, 2012 21:17:57 GMT -5
Another interesting one. Special Ed has early on started an early vote bandwagon first on Starrirain, and now on Michelehunter. Gaderine (sp) was also in early on the Starrirain lynch. I'll be interested to see where he ends up after this vote. I also find it odd that neither one was targeted by Scum. Both have been uber helpful to us newbies....I would imagine the scum team would rather us newbie town players be confused rather than let them continue to "help". Yes, this. BUT, maybe they are trying to come off as super helpful so as to throw us townies (and newbies) off track.
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Post by LadyRogue-II on May 14, 2012 21:18:37 GMT -5
I am also suspicious of LadyRogue, who popped up at the end of Day 1 too late to vote and then again at the end of Night 1 - was she rushing to vote on the Scum boards in the same way? YES, I noticed that too, but I wasn't ready to call her out on it yet. That's funny because you pointed it out on NIGHT ONE and I responded. I voted however I had an error and it finally posted AFTER Chris closed the day out. I work as a property manager and am trying to fix a problem complex. I have only been at this site for 3 weeks and instead of my normal 5 hour days I have been in my office as many as 8 and dealing with issues on site after my office hours.
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Post by AmyKay on May 14, 2012 21:20:06 GMT -5
hey, I saw 2 or 3 cases of other players getting suspicious on Day One when somebody chimed in quickly on something with only a short response. Someone later explained why that's seen as scummy, so I was just pointing out that laxrules had done that, too. I don't actually know if it's normally indicative, as I'm just as new as you. :-P I just remembered it was an eleventh hour thing and when lianne made a suggestion, I realized it fit in, too.
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Post by LadyRogue-II on May 14, 2012 21:20:37 GMT -5
Ugh!! Stupid quote thing .... apparently I ended up with my typing in the quote bracket!!
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Post by laxrules017 on May 14, 2012 21:21:44 GMT -5
Well as this is my first game I'm still trying to figure things out. Can I ask a question? You say I'm scum but how can you assess that based off of me pointing out an obvious slip up by Supermel. I assure you I am town. But a noob town at that. Oh, well since you assure us of your Towniness, we should stop suspecting you, eh? If you want.
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Post by special on May 14, 2012 21:22:08 GMT -5
Another interesting one. Special Ed has early on started an early vote bandwagon first on Starrirain, and now on Michelehunter. Gaderine (sp) was also in early on the Starrirain lynch. I'll be interested to see where he ends up after this vote. I also find it odd that neither one was targeted by Scum. Both have been uber helpful to us newbies....I would imagine the scum team would rather us newbie town players be confused rather than let them continue to "help". Yes, this. BUT, maybe they are trying to come off as super helpful so as to throw us townies (and newbies) off track. Your paranoia is commendable. However, let's consider the options: 1. Special Ed is Scum: He's trying to appear super helpful to the new players so they won't suspect him. 2. Special Ed is Town: He's appearing helpful because he's actually trying to help the newer players find Scum. ~~~~~~~~~~~ What the case amounts to is confirmation bias. You assume I'm Scum, and then my actions fit into that preconceived notion. You haven't uncovered evidence that indicates that I'm Scum, you've only uncovered evidence that doesn't prove I'm Town. And the distinction is quite important. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There is no difference in how I might act were I Town or Scum. Therefore, what you've uncovered is a null tell.
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Post by AmyKay on May 14, 2012 21:22:09 GMT -5
and I forgot to use the quotey so that last post of mine should have looked more like: Sorry if I don't know your lingo to facilitate communication. And I am quick to point out when I like someone's point. I guess according to Amy that's incriminating. Sorry for complementing your ideas Ed. hey, I saw 2 or 3 cases of other players getting suspicious on Day One when somebody chimed in quickly on something with only a short response. Someone later explained why that's seen as scummy, so I was just pointing out that laxrules had done that, too. I don't actually know if it's normally indicative, as I'm just as new as you. :-P I just remembered it was an eleventh hour thing and when lianne made a suggestion, I realized it fit in, too.
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Post by Meeko on May 14, 2012 21:23:16 GMT -5
Well I guess it's too late for me to post my suspicions about lightfoot who had 3 people on her list and then voted me when I was supposed to be 3rd on her list. At least one scum died, but a huge loss for town Am going to go back though the posts of Day one and sorry I didn't know we could talk at nights until now Yes, it is too late for you to post your suspicions about lightfoot. Lightfoot had a list of three people. Ok. Lightfoot voted for you. Ok. You were __supposed__ to be third on the list? ...... No go for launch. I feel like we should take a second pass on this one, and spin it back the other way..... that you _should_ be on the list... that you should be lynched, that you are scum. What say you to this, michelehunter? If anyone else wants to help clarify this one for me as well, it would be nice. We got one scum. I think the fact that we got any at all is a good thing. Town die at night, that's pretty much a given. In as much as we put a check on the town deaths last night, it is a good thing, RELATIVELY speaking to what could have been. I feel an excess of smilies here.... that might translate to paranoia or nerves..... It comes across as off. Same for the apology.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 14, 2012 21:25:04 GMT -5
That's funny because you pointed it out on NIGHT ONE and I responded. I voted however I had an error and it finally posted AFTER Chris closed the day out. I work as a property manager and am trying to fix a problem complex. I have only been at this site for 3 weeks and instead of my normal 5 hour days I have been in my office as many as 8 and dealing with issues on site after my office hours. I saw that, what I was waiting to call you out on was the fact that you were too late to vote because of some error, but you had five days to vote. Then you disappear again until the end of night 1 where as a previous poster pointed out could have been a scum tell that you were showing up to post your scum kill vote. And um most of the world works 8+ hour days, but sorry your job is stressing you out so.
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Post by Meeko on May 14, 2012 21:26:04 GMT -5
NETA : To say nothing of the fact that this is a Vineyard of WIFOM as to why Michele would actually need to post anything at all, at that point.
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Post by LadyRogue-II on May 14, 2012 21:32:08 GMT -5
That's funny because you pointed it out on NIGHT ONE and I responded. I voted however I had an error and it finally posted AFTER Chris closed the day out. I work as a property manager and am trying to fix a problem complex. I have only been at this site for 3 weeks and instead of my normal 5 hour days I have been in my office as many as 8 and dealing with issues on site after my office hours. I saw that, what I was waiting to call you out on was the fact that you were too late to vote because of some error, but you had five days to vote. Then you disappear again until the end of night 1 where as a previous poster pointed out could have been a scum tell that you were showing up to post your scum kill vote. And um most of the world works 8+ hour days, but sorry your job is stressing you out so. We play a card game very similar to this and I observe before I pick someone just like I chose to read all the posts and make a decision so I wasn't changing it several times like others chose to do. My job doesn't stress me out, however at times it affects my ability to be online. Add to that the fact that I had to relocate and the only time I have had to unpack is the weekend and yesterday was Mother's Day in the USA and it made my weekend hectic too.
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Post by lianne on May 14, 2012 21:33:34 GMT -5
Another interesting one. Special Ed has early on started an early vote bandwagon first on Starrirain, and now on Michelehunter. Gaderine (sp) was also in early on the Starrirain lynch. I'll be interested to see where he ends up after this vote. I also find it odd that neither one was targeted by Scum. Both have been uber helpful to us newbies....I would imagine the scum team would rather us newbie town players be confused rather than let them continue to "help". Yes, this. BUT, maybe they are trying to come off as super helpful so as to throw us townies (and newbies) off track. Actually busymrslizzy said that in reply to what I said.
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