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Post by guiri on May 22, 2012 1:18:59 GMT -5
Farewell Septimus v1.0, Gadarene and MichelleHunter v1.0. Great job Hal! Good riddance Lianne and LaurieRN. Welcome Septimus v2.0, starrain v2.0 and MichelleHunter v2.0!
The hammer feature exists because discussion tends to die out once there's an obvious lynch candidate. My preference is to let the Vig(s) attempt to deal with endhoot toNight and use toDay to try to find another scum. Sure, we might mislynch but we'll have posts, cases and a voting record to analyze in later Days. If we simply go with an endhoot lynch, there'll be little information to be gained from toDay and there's no guarantee another scum will be killed toNight.
Alternatives include: - waiting till discussion dies out before voting end day - holding a second "pretend" lynch vote - ending the Day ASAP and moving on with the game
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Post by Colby11 on May 22, 2012 1:34:00 GMT -5
Vote Endhoot, and Vote to End Day
Best to get rid of a scum now rather than later.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 22, 2012 1:53:40 GMT -5
Endhoot - 20 votes (JustBeingGinger, Susan K Murphy, kagemoto, Suits101, michelehunter, meeko, Mahaloth, texcat, wombat99, dizzymrslizzy, crys, richardbeckman, jmj697mn, annem, cassipietz, cathi, supermel, jlrinmke, Silver Jan, colby11)
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 22, 2012 2:16:00 GMT -5
I am not yet 100% persuaded by Hal's claim that he is one of the detectives, I can't see any valid reason why Hal would lie about this. I'm short on time for the next two days, but I have to comment on this. If Hal is Mafia, he's trying to buy trust. Assuming Hal is Mafia-aligned, just for a moment, his accusations will be true. He doesn't need a Detective's result to know who is Town and who is Mafia; he already knows all the Mafia, and anyone not on that list is Town. He's sacrificing two of his colleagues for Town cred. He won't be wrong about anyone he accuses at this point, because it's too early in the game. (As a side benefit, he's going to tie up the protective powers of some number of Doctors leaving the killing field with less protection.) Ok, now that I've presented the case for the persecution, it's something we can afford to wait on for a while. Let Hal build a list of players he's cleared, and publish them at a time he feels right. By his choices we shall judge him.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:07:54 GMT -5
I want to know how the scum are guessing dead on who our power roles are. They are 4 out of 6 of their kills have been power roles. Only 2 of them gave off definite tells. Posting as I read - others might have asked about this comment - but would you (if not) care to elaborate?
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:10:24 GMT -5
Guys, if MicheleHunter (sorry, Michele, read you totally wrong!) takes out Laurie and she flips scum, it's better for the vig to take out Endhoot. If everyone just votes Endhoot because of the investigation today's voting record will be pretty meaningless/useless. As an alternative we can also lynch Endhoot but request that people post who they'd be voting for otherwise. Unless we mis-lynch the vig...
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:17:44 GMT -5
Wow, we lost a doctor and a mason in the same night - these scum are either very clever or very lucky, or perhaps a combination of the two. At least one of them went down as well. Didn't Ed mention Scum-gloating in this game?
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:20:58 GMT -5
I do agree that just because this is an easy vote does not mean that we should stop hunting for other scum. Looking forward to hearing what you find on that hunt
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:25:08 GMT -5
The more I think about this - what *is* the advantage of lynching Endhoot now? She is confirmed scum, she's not hurting anything by remaining in the game for the moment. The point is that we seem to have a lot of dead townies every morning. One reason for this could be that some Scum-roles have the power to preform an extra kill (other than the "normal" Scum NK). So we should get rid of all Scum we find as soon as possible because they might be the ones with the extra kill.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:29:40 GMT -5
I can't see any valid reason why Hal would lie about this. I'm short on time for the next two days, but I have to comment on this. If Hal is Mafia, he's trying to buy trust. Assuming Hal is Mafia-aligned, just for a moment, his accusations will be true. He doesn't need a Detective's result to know who is Town and who is Mafia; he already knows all the Mafia, and anyone not on that list is Town. He's sacrificing two of his colleagues for Town cred. He won't be wrong about anyone he accuses at this point, because it's too early in the game. (As a side benefit, he's going to tie up the protective powers of some number of Doctors leaving the killing field with less protection.) Ok, now that I've presented the case for the persecution, it's something we can afford to wait on for a while. Let Hal build a list of players he's cleared, and publish them at a time he feels right. By his choices we shall judge him. But in a game that might have more detectives this could cost Scum 3 players if Hal were to be investigated (which might be a good idea, actually). Still after Ragnarok anything is possible, I guess...
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 3:31:32 GMT -5
Read all and think with all the subbing we should allow the Day to last as long as possible to give the "new" players time to catch up.
Also Vote Endhood
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Post by septimus on May 22, 2012 5:39:11 GMT -5
I'm back. (My name is Septimus and I'm a Mafiaholic.) I do apologize on behalf of Septimus v1.0 for the worthy patients he did not Protect. Blame guiri ( ) for my missing BillMc Day 1 since guiri provoked my #325 ("In my experience, there is no scum-hunter better than BillMc, when he is Town") which I thought might lead the other Doctor(s) to protect Bill. And frankly, I never considered Protecting myself: Experienced players who've seen me in action before know that, as Town, I'm usually one of Town's worst enemies. Anyway, the Vig is doing better than us at identifying Scum, so I'm happy to take the easy pickings for the Lynch: Vote: endhoot
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Post by guiri on May 22, 2012 5:43:19 GMT -5
Thanks Septimus, don't apologize though, you may still have prevented a kill N1. Did you protect me last Night too?
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Post by septimus on May 22, 2012 6:00:11 GMT -5
Thanks Septimus, don't apologize though, you may still have prevented a kill N1. Did you protect me last Night too? I'm not sure what the rules are on Septimus V2.0 reporting on the actions of Septimus V1.0 (though knowing him like a brother I suspect you and Bill were his top choices). But, let me answer back with another question: Were you expecting to be Scum-killed? ... or Vig-killed?
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Post by guiri on May 22, 2012 6:06:21 GMT -5
Yes, I seem to have become the standard N1 or N2 scum target in recent games.
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Post by aleetha on May 22, 2012 6:40:32 GMT -5
Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me.
Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum.
Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts.
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Post by Archangel on May 22, 2012 6:51:18 GMT -5
The more I think about this - what *is* the advantage of lynching Endhoot now? She is confirmed scum, she's not hurting anything by remaining in the game for the moment. The point is that we seem to have a lot of dead townies every morning. One reason for this could be that some Scum-roles have the power to preform an extra kill (other than the "normal" Scum NK). So we should get rid of all Scum we find as soon as possible because they might be the ones with the extra kill. That makes sense. Nevertheless, I still think people should go on record as saying who they would vote for if not Endhoot.
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Post by aleetha on May 22, 2012 6:51:41 GMT -5
I suggest that the Vig take out one tonight and we lynch one. I could go for a Endhoot lynch. Vote EndhootVery good job Hal!!! BUT just because we have some what confirmed scum, does not mean we stop searching for scum toDay and look at our other suspicions. Confirmed Scum? Did I miss some posts about this? would someone enlighten me about it
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Post by guiri on May 22, 2012 6:55:23 GMT -5
Hal Briston has claimed detective and has two results: Laurie RN and endhoot are both scum. MichelleHunter used her crazy town power to kill Laurie RN, who flipped scum, and so endhoot is next. Michelehunter, might I suggest you take out either Laurie Rn or Endhoot? Since, ya know, they're both scum? Oh, by the way, I'm a detective, and it would appear I'm a damn good one. Two-for-two on my scum investigations so far! (Errr, and I'll probably require a little doc protection from here on out)
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 22, 2012 7:00:23 GMT -5
I want to know how the scum are guessing dead on who our power roles are. They are 4 out of 6 of their kills have been power roles. Only 2 of them gave off definite tells. Posting as I read - others might have asked about this comment - but would you (if not) care to elaborate? 4 power roles were killed at night (supposedly by scum) 6 players have been killed at night. 4/6 of them were power rolls? 2 of the 4 that died gave off tells (Francesca, and Michelehunter) So they guessed 2 other power rolls on their own. I'm guessing that they were all killed by scum and not by another Town Power Roll.
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Post by starrirain on May 22, 2012 7:21:48 GMT -5
aleetha, back on p1 of D3, Hal came forward as a detective and outted 2 scum he'd investigated. Our crazy townie (michelehunterv1.0), who was NK'd in N2, got to pick someone to take with her, confirming one of Hal's suspects (Laurie Rn) as SCUM. As an aside, I'd like to add that I fully believe Hal's claims. It seems early, and the scum are doing well enough, why would they need or want to start offering up sacrifices? At this point in time, I have 8 suspects on my list toDay. Forgive me that I've not had a chance to gather evidence since my last post. Sleep happens occasionally. And finally...what's with the slackers??! I see Roosh says on the 12th that he forgot about the game and would post back in a few days...this was about 10 days ago. Not trying to single him out as there are several who've not been posting since D1 (sharon and annette to name a couple). It really makes it harder to hunt scum with the lurkers about, ntm these people could be townies with important roles. I think they all deserve a good POKE!
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Post by kagemoto on May 22, 2012 7:50:39 GMT -5
Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me. Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum. Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts. aleetha, you raised endhoot's reason to vote for you in Day 2: lurking, but you did not explaining it. It seems natural that if you were NOT lurking, you would have at least explained a little bit, but you didn't. Were you indeed lurking in Day 2?
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 22, 2012 7:53:09 GMT -5
<snip> And finally...what's with the slackers??! I see Roosh says on the 12th that he forgot about the game and would post back in a few days...this was about 10 days ago. Not trying to single him out as there are several who've not been posting since D1 (sharon and annette to name a couple). It really makes it harder to hunt scum with the lurkers about, ntm these people could be townies with important roles. I think they all deserve a good POKE! annette has been subbed for with Suits101
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Post by Susan K Murphy on May 22, 2012 7:55:07 GMT -5
For the newbies, perhaps we might have a discussion about when is the best time to claim for the various roles? Masons and detectives in particular. I see no reason for Doctors, vanilla, Crazies, or Vigs to ever claim. Or perhaps some instructions on breadcrumbing? Yes please Vote to End Day [/color] And if I wasn't voting endhoot for the obvious reasons (well, for the reason that I do believe Hal), I'd probably be voting wombat99 for this: Good grief. My instincts have been all wrong. I was ABSOLUTELY sure michelehunter and Gadarene were both scum and had cooked up the whole crazy townie thing together. Not to mention saving lianne at the last second and I was pretty sure laurie rn was town too. Kicking myself right now. All a bit wide-eyed and innocent for my liking!
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Post by starrirain on May 22, 2012 8:09:11 GMT -5
-bleached- Wow, we lost a doctor and a mason in the same night - these scum are either very clever or very lucky, or perhaps a combination of the two. At least one of them went down as well. Vote: endhoot since it certainly looks like Hal's telling the truth. There better be a doctor left to protect this valuable detective. I agree with Ullz on the scum gloating here, but it's the part I've bolded that worries me most.(Hooray for my first quote!!!) This strikes me as more of a threat than a fellow townie being concerned. Of course townies want Hal to stay intact, but this last sentence is definitely keeping you on my naughty list. Yes keeping, you were already there. annem also just so happened to be on both mislynch wagons, as dizzy pointed out in an earlier post. Going over annem's posts, the lack of content there is astounding. I understand many are new, but I am too, so I'm not seeing that as an excuse here. Seems like annem is trying to blend in just under the radar. Thoughts anyone?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 22, 2012 8:09:57 GMT -5
Vote: endhoot
i'm kinda torn about voting to end the Day. usually, i would prefer discussing even if a person is a sure lynch. however, i've really had a hard time catching up so i worry about being buried under more posts.
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Post by starrirain on May 22, 2012 8:10:18 GMT -5
<snip> And finally...what's with the slackers??! I see Roosh says on the 12th that he forgot about the game and would post back in a few days...this was about 10 days ago. Not trying to single him out as there are several who've not been posting since D1 (sharon and annette to name a couple). It really makes it harder to hunt scum with the lurkers about, ntm these people could be townies with important roles. I think they all deserve a good POKE! annette has been subbed for with Suits101 thank you rich, I missed that one lol
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Post by Total Ullz on May 22, 2012 8:27:04 GMT -5
2 of the 4 that died gave off tells (Francesca, and Michelehunter) I would say two of them that you seem to think gave tells. We can't know for sure. Also there might have been tells from others you and I both missed. Personally I am pretty sure I might have seen something that might be described as a breadcrumb by one of the others. But then again it could be my imagination playing WIFOM with my head
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 22, 2012 9:25:01 GMT -5
Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me. Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum. Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts. Really? ? Why does that NOT make her scum? So take out the information that we almost have a confirmed SCUM on our hands. Explain why that is not scummy behavior?
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Post by Silver Jan on May 22, 2012 9:32:50 GMT -5
Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me. Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum. Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts. Confirmed Scum? Did I miss some posts about this? would someone enlighten me about it These two post just scream scum to me, didn't you read the beginning of the Day? So I know where my vote would be if it wasn't on Endhoot. BTW this isn't even a FOS or a smudge, it's a straight forward accusation.
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