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Post by wombat99 on May 22, 2012 20:13:48 GMT -5
guiri why were you exhorting people to vote one of the lynch leaders yesterday and pointing out that lianne was ahead by only one vote? wombat, why did you switch your vote? My original vote was for michelehunter #1. My thought process started with the assumption that michelehunter #1 was scum and her claim was untrue. She said she was considering 3 people to take with her when she died (me, dizzymrslizzy, and unknown #3). I also assumed that she made the claim to deflect votes (she claimed right after she went into the vote lead). I started working out who I thought #3 might be and I thought it might be lianne. No hard evidence, really, just that michelehunter #1 seemed to be targeting newbies who weren't exhibiting much scummy behavior. I had gone over all of lianne's posts and I really didn't see it - at least, there seemed to be several better scum candidates than her, so I was puzzled by all the votes on her already. In addition, I looked at who was voting for lianne vs. who was voting for mchlle71. My scum pings (at the time) were stronger on the lianne voters than on the mchlle71 voters. And I would say that guiri added a subtle sense of urgency. He was asking for any more votes for lianne, which - since I was assuming lianne was town - pinged me that lianne was in greater danger of a mislynch.
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Post by jerelijah on May 22, 2012 21:05:03 GMT -5
I am here. I apologize for being MIA. I am in some serious training for a new job WHICH is also my final class to graduate college. I didn't expect it to take all my time.
To be fair I am going to
vote jerelijah until i can catch up
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 22, 2012 21:38:03 GMT -5
How is it that this post from Day One is now by Suits101? I'm pretty sure it was originally by francescaj. I am aware of it (and already knew about it from the start). It's francescaj subbing in again. She just chose to change her name to one she liked better (which is not against the rules)
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 22, 2012 21:58:29 GMT -5
I've now read through all of Meeko's posts since the beginning of Day One through now. Here are those posts: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=meekoOldest posts are on the bottom. That's 109 posts. I believe a generous reading gives the result that seven of those posts actually involve game play (excluding all the crap about Pleonast, which had nothing to do with whether Pleonast was scum or town, but just Meeko's unhappiness with how Pleonast plays the game.) The seven: Starting with the oldest posts, #60 (as numbered in the link above, but the links below are to the post in context.) idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1918&page=22#92788Meeko wonders what the heck oldred was talking about when he brought up scum boards in a nonsensical ending to an otherwise coherent post. #49 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=2#93174This post is in reaction to MichelleHunter#1's post about her suspicions of Lightfoot that she is posting after Lightfoot is killed. At least four people had already put the FOS of Michelle's post and there had been a lot of discussion. Meeko brings nothing new and barely finds anything of substance to say at all. #47 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=3#93187This is a long analysis of a post by Laxrules which is nonsensical enough that it hardly seems amenable to analysis. Meeko gives it a good go, but to what end I know not. #42 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=3#93203This is in response to a question I asked about his analysis of Laxrules (just discussed). He accuses me of smudging him, though that was the furthest thing from my mind when I asked the question (I guess it is not so far from my mind today). I find him to be rather defensive here. #34 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=13#93508More analysis of Michelle Hunter. Probably the highlight of Meeko's posting. #33 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=13#93524Meeko changes his vote to Gadarene, but not for any reason pertaining to Gadarene's role in the game. #15 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=21#93760Meeko puts the FOS on patricia for a slight but real reason. That's it. The other 103 posts are a lot of song and dance with no attempt to play this game (there is a lot of discussion of how the game is played in general and much meta game discussion). So, precious little of substance. Some defensiveness. Oh, and I believe he has cast votes for: Pleonast who's role is still unconfimed. Laxrules who was confirmed town (then unvoted) MichelleHunter 1 who was confirmed town (then unvoted) Gadarene who was confirmed town. And Endhoot, who is scum presumably. Three of his five votes were for confirmed town.
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2012 22:09:32 GMT -5
I've now read through all of Meeko's posts since the beginning of Day One through now. Here are those posts: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=meekoOldest posts are on the bottom. That's 109 posts. I believe a generous reading gives the result that seven of those posts actually involve game play (excluding all the crap about Pleonast, which had nothing to do with whether Pleonast was scum or town, but just Meeko's unhappiness with how Pleonast plays the game.) The seven: Starting with the oldest posts, #60 (as numbered in the link above, but the links below are to the post in context.) idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1918&page=22#92788Meeko wonders what the heck oldred was talking about when he brought up scum boards in a nonsensical ending to an otherwise coherent post. #49 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=2#93174This post is in reaction to MichelleHunter#1's post about her suspicions of Lightfoot that she is posting after Lightfoot is killed. At least four people had already put the FOS of Michelle's post and there had been a lot of discussion. Meeko brings nothing new and barely finds anything of substance to say at all. #47 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=3#93187This is a long analysis of a post by Laxrules which is nonsensical enough that it hardly seems amenable to analysis. Meeko gives it a good go, but to what end I know not. #42 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=3#93203This is in response to a question I asked about his analysis of Laxrules (just discussed). He accuses me of smudging him, though that was the furthest thing from my mind when I asked the question (I guess it is not so far from my mind today). I find him to be rather defensive here. #34 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=13#93508More analysis of Michelle Hunter. Probably the highlight of Meeko's posting. #33 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=13#93524Meeko changes his vote to Gadarene, but not for any reason pertaining to Gadarene's role in the game. #15 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=21#93760Meeko puts the FOS on patricia for a slight but real reason. That's it. The other 103 posts are a lot of song and dance with no attempt to play this game (there is a lot of discussion of how the game is played in general and much meta game discussion). So, precious little of substance. Some defensiveness. Oh, and I believe he has cast votes for: Pleonast who's role is still unconfimed. Laxrules who was confirmed town (then unvoted) MichelleHunter 1 who was confirmed town (then unvoted) Gadarene who was confirmed town. And Endhoot, who is scum presumably. Three of his five votes were for confirmed town. What experience do you have playing Mafia, Rich?
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2012 22:24:45 GMT -5
I have been re reading day 1 and 2 looking for someone to vote for other than ENDHOOT which is leading the vote by a landside atm.
I still not very good at posting quote from other post so I will just give the post # I'm going to vote for Wombat 99 because she is the one who saved Lianne from a town lynch see post # 684 & 686 in Day 2 and then she said in day 3 it was because of who was voting for Lianne seem scummy - which now we know were in fact town. See posts #29 and #150 here in day three Vote: Wombat99
Also if we are sure everyone wants to vote today for endroot (not that I feel we should at this time then
Vote: End day
So we can go on and not be held up till Sunday and then still vote to lynch endroot
PS: Don't worry MEEKO - will be back to voting for you again soon
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 22, 2012 22:27:07 GMT -5
I am here. I apologize for being MIA. I am in some serious training for a new job WHICH is also my final class to graduate college. I didn't expect it to take all my time. <snip> Where ARE your priorities!?!? This is Mafia Games!! Congrats on the impending degree!
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 22, 2012 22:29:53 GMT -5
<snip> What experience do you have playing Mafia, Rich? This is my first game.
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2012 22:31:50 GMT -5
<snip> What experience do you have playing Mafia, Rich? This is my first game. The WOW you provided seems forced / coached. An additional post shortly.
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2012 22:44:30 GMT -5
Oh, and I believe he has cast votes for: Pleonast who's role is still unconfimed. Laxrules who was confirmed town (then unvoted) MichelleHunter 1 who was confirmed town (then unvoted) Gadarene who was confirmed town. And Endhoot, who is scum presumably. Three of his five votes were for confirmed town. The interesting thing here, Rich, is that my Recollection of the Vote records are different. Please correct me if I am wrong here; Day 1: Pleonast - 6 votes (CatInASuit, BillMc, Meeko, cassiepietz, michelehunter, francescaj) You yourself admit that Pleonast is Unconfirmed. Therefore I regard Day 1 for me as no Harm, No Foul.Day 2: Gadarene - 1 vote ( Meeko) I made a recorded vote against Town. This vote was the only vote Gad had, Gad was not lynched. Day 3: Endhoot - 24 votes (Susan K Murphy, kagemoto, Suits101, michelehunter, meeko, Mahaloth, texcat, wombat99, dizzymrslizzy, crys, richardbeckman, jmj697mn, annem, cassipietz, cathi, supermel, jlrinmke, Silver Jan, colby11, Total Ulla, Septimus, gnarlycharlie, CatInASuit, Paranoia) And I believe we are both voting for Endhoot here. I Regard Day 3 for me (and you) as no harm no foul.
Three of his five votes were for confirmed town. I have only made 3 votes. I have made one recorded vote against a confirmed Town.
Let's compare that to yoursDay 1 : starrirain - 13 votes (Mr Special Ed, colby11, Gadarene, septimus, Pleonast, mchlle71, dizzymrslizzy, lianne, richardbeckman, supermel, jmj697mn, annem, ascime) You made a recorded vote against a confirmed Town. Day 2 : Lianne - 8 votes (guiri, Total Ullz, dizzymrslizzy, annetastic, Septimus, richardbeckman, Susan K Murphy, GnarlyCharlie) You made a recorded vote against a scum. Day 3: Endhoot - 24 votes (Susan K Murphy, kagemoto, Suits101, michelehunter, meeko, Mahaloth, texcat, wombat99, dizzymrslizzy, crys, richardbeckman, jmj697mn, annem, cassipietz, cathi, supermel, jlrinmke, Silver Jan, colby11, Total Ulla, Septimus, gnarlycharlie, CatInASuit, Paranoia) And I believe we are both voting for Endhoot here. I Regard Day 3 for me (and you) as no harm no foul. You too have made one recorded vote against Town. I'm not sure what you are trying to say, when you mention that I've voted for a town. The Difference? Your vote on town added to the mislynch. My vote on Gad did nothing.
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2012 22:46:09 GMT -5
PS: Don't worry MEEKO - will be back to voting for you again soon When Vote Back, bring Reasons.
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2012 23:01:48 GMT -5
But Meeko you never like my reasons....lol
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2012 23:10:02 GMT -5
But Meeko you never like my reasons....lol She thinks she's given me reasons....lol
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 22, 2012 23:18:35 GMT -5
<snip> The WOW you provided seems forced / coached. An additional post shortly. WOW???
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2012 23:48:38 GMT -5
Meeko - since I assume (I Know) that you will not be voting against yourself you are the last person I would worry about explaining my reasons too!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 23, 2012 2:23:12 GMT -5
Endhoot - 24 votes (Susan K Murphy, kagemoto, Suits101, michelehunter, meeko, Mahaloth, texcat, wombat99, dizzymrslizzy, crys, richardbeckman, jmj697mn, annem, cassipietz, cathi, supermel, jlrinmke, Silver Jan, colby11, Total Ulla, Septimus, gnarlycharlie, CatInASuit, Paranoia) annem - 2 votes (JustBeingGinger, starrirain) jerelijah - 1 vote (jerelijah) wombat99 - 1 vote (patricia)
End of Day votes: 6 of 23
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Post by Suits101 on May 23, 2012 4:35:00 GMT -5
great eye, richbeckman. It is certainly the same person - the profile shows francescaj is the username for Suits101. could be a sub-in, could be someone trying to get away with a second identity again... I'm subbing in, and told Idle I was changing my nickname, as I was getting friend requests from people I don't know during this game, I don't need new friends. No second identity really, but my previous nickname was too recognizable hence the new f/r.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 23, 2012 4:36:29 GMT -5
Updated and marked up vote counts
Day 1
starrirain (14) - Special Ed (97), colby11 (109), Gadarene (175), septimus (325), Pleonast (560), mchlle71 (579) , dizzymrslizzy (599), lianne (604), richbeckman (624), supermel (648), jm697mn (650), annem (651),ascime (658), Laurie Rn (669) Pleonast (7) - CatInASuit (10), BillMC (13), Meeko (14), cassipietz (117), michelehunter (126), jmj697mn (142-308), dizzymrslizzy (266-364), francescaj (329), jlrinmke (675) dizzymrslizzy (6) - Suburban Plankton (65), wombat99 (198), Silver Jan (330), Paranoia (404), cathi (581), starrirain (596) Meeko (4) - Inner Stickler (28), Pleonast (35-338), Silver Jan (151-330), Laurie Rn (199-669), amykb (203), septimus (206-325), crys (228), annetastic (240) Suburban Plankton (2) - mahaloth (104), texcat (475) guiri (1) - dizzymrslizzy (77-266), Susan K Murphy (150) cassipietz (1) - kagemoto (122), texcat (140-152) Special Ed (1) - oldred (154) annetastic (1) - allyjayne (244) texcat (1) - guiri (243), jmj697mn (308-650) michellehunter (1) - LightFoot (296) lauriern (1) - Hal Briston (361) oldred (1) - phoenixphyre (583) Gadarene (1) - jerelijah (448) GnarlyCharlie (0) - guiri (9-243) wombat99 (0) - septimus (136-206) jm697mn (0) - texcat (152-316) CatInASuit (0) - Pleonast (338-560) septimus (0) - richbeckman (471-624)
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Day 2
mchelle71 (9) - wombat99 (291-328), kagemoto (293), LaurieRN (294), richbeckman (297-300), Gadarene (318), amykb(327), annem (352), crys (414), jlrinmke (419), lianne (677), wombat99 (684) lianne (8) - guiri (143), Total Ullz (152), dizzymrslizzy (157), annetastic (400), septimus(499), richbeckman (600), Susan K Murphy (614), gnarlycharlie (646) michelehunter (5) - Archangel (8-539), jmj697mn (13), mahaloth (15), septimus (319-499), wombat99 (328-684), meeko (370-386), CIAS (449), Archangel (633), MHaye (681) wombat99 (5) - supermel (417), pleonast (456), colby11 (492), phoenixphyre (496), michelehunter (544) meeko (2) - Suburban Plankton (315), patricia (460) Archangel (2) - cassipietz (74), lianne (75-254), mchelle71 (105), phoenixphyre (133-496) dizzymrslizzy (1) - Pleonast (135-135) , Silver Jan (234-244, 430-508) , archangel (567-633), Silver Jan (603) septimus (1) - oldred (260) Gadarene (1) - meeko (386), Archangel (539-567) Lauriern (1) - Hal Briston (398) aleetha (1) - endhoot (556) endhoot (1) - JustbeingGinger (606) Supermel (0) - laxrules017 (5) laxrules017 (0) - meeko (66-370), colby11(85-492) cassiepietz (0) - Gadarene (132-318), pleonast (135-456) mahaloth (0) - pleonast (135-135) Silver Jan (0) - wombat99 (273-291) ladyrogue (0) - Silver Jan (508-603)
I think this is accurate.
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Post by aleetha on May 23, 2012 4:41:58 GMT -5
Hal Briston has claimed detective and has two results: Laurie RN and endhoot are both scum. MichelleHunter used her crazy town power to kill Laurie RN, who flipped scum, and so endhoot is next. Ooppss, I did missed those flipped thingy. I just knew that some roles have that kind of power. I thought the role will be only revealed when the player is lynched. This is totally need to be noted. Ty
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Post by aleetha on May 23, 2012 4:58:38 GMT -5
Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me. Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum. Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts. aleetha, you raised endhoot's reason to vote for you in Day 2: lurking, but you did not explaining it. It seems natural that if you were NOT lurking, you would have at least explained a little bit, but you didn't. Were you indeed lurking in Day 2? not only the Day 2 but also Day 1. I still did not know what to post and which one to vote. I was just too afraid to make mistake. yeah, I do not want to accuse someone as scum and vote her/him with illogical reason in order to participate in the game.
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Post by aleetha on May 23, 2012 5:37:53 GMT -5
Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me. Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum. Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts. Confirmed Scum? Did I miss some posts about this? would someone enlighten me about it These two post just scream scum to me, didn't you read the beginning of the Day? So I know where my vote would be if it wasn't on Endhoot. BTW this isn't even a FOS or a smudge, it's a straight forward accusation. I admit I missed the post about it. Thanks to starrirain and guiri who explained it well. I'll try to stop skimming. So janetsinton, just because I did not understand about Confirmed Scum can make me sound as scum, ha? Totally Genious!
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Post by Suits101 on May 23, 2012 5:47:13 GMT -5
I share your view Kagemoto. Sometimes many people have already written what you wanted to say, so why say it again, right? Should we just reply "I agree" and look like we're in agreement all the time, and show we have no opinion of our own? ... yeah, I do not want to accuse someone as scum and vote her/him with illogical reason in order to participate in the game. That's why you have to read the comments carefully and make your own decision, whatever it may be. That's what participating is about. However I myself do not have many posts to my name. I'm just reading all the posts attentively before jumping to conclusions too quickly.
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Post by aleetha on May 23, 2012 6:15:30 GMT -5
aarrgghh for the typo in my previous post. It's not janetsinton but Silver Jan. It's not Genious but Genius. I wish I can edit it. Seem everybody votes Endhoot. Not me. Although she voted me on second day with lurking reason, I do not think it's enough to make her as scum. Just need more time before decide who to vote. This acting up internet connection does not allow me to track all his(her) posts. Really? ? Why does that NOT make her scum? So take out the information that we almost have a confirmed SCUM on our hands. Explain why that is not scummy behavior? Okay, what I kept in my mind about Scum before got the confirmed one, they would not point someone with a shallow reason. In this point, I made mistake. Second, it seemed that she just pointed me because she got no one to vote. I am pretty sure that she read my statement about lurking at this game in Facebook. So with the purpose of having something to post, she mentioned my name. FYI, just like me and some of player here, she's a Packrater who also joined this Mafia Game because of one contest.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 23, 2012 6:15:48 GMT -5
<snip> The WOW you provided seems forced / coached. An additional post shortly. WOW??? Wall Of Words
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Post by aleetha on May 23, 2012 6:20:43 GMT -5
I share your view Kagemoto. Sometimes many people have already written what you wanted to say, so why say it again, right? Should we just reply "I agree" and look like we're in agreement all the time, and show we have no opinion of our own? ... yeah, I do not want to accuse someone as scum and vote her/him with illogical reason in order to participate in the game. That's why you have to read the comments carefully and make your own decision, whatever it may be. That's what participating is about. However I myself do not have many posts to my name. I'm just reading all the posts attentively before jumping to conclusions too quickly. I think you should do the editing more carefully, the quote that you post is mine not Kagemoto
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Post by crys on May 23, 2012 6:50:23 GMT -5
But Meeko you never like my reasons....lol She thinks she's given me reasons....lol Meeko just because you don't like or agree with her reasons doesn't make them any less valid to her. Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards
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Post by CatInASuit on May 23, 2012 7:01:57 GMT -5
First Off: Vote: End Day It will still take a while to get enough votes to end it anyway. For Day 4: I will likely be voting for Silver Jan - just from looking through the first couple of Days. A couple of things have pinged me: - Comment about keeping an eye on CIAS, which was never followed up.
- Comment about spotting francescaj's slip, why come out and say you noticed it after the fact. You said the scum noticed and NK'd her. How do you know this when it could have been a Vigilante mishit?
- Consistent back and forth voting on dizzymrslizzy
- Comment about the scum taking out town power roles seems very much like scum gloating
- A couple of comments about where scum are likely to be on bandwagons eg, the start of Pleonasts on Day 1, and the end of mchelle71's look diversionary.
I'll be looking at it more toMorrow.
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Post by guiri on May 23, 2012 8:08:42 GMT -5
guiri why were you exhorting people to vote one of the lynch leaders yesterday and pointing out that lianne was ahead by only one vote? That's an interesting representation of my posts, the originals are: Any more votes for Lianne? She in the lead by a single vote. I was voting lianne, I thought she was a better lynch candidate than mchlle71, a single vote lead offered an opportunity for manipulation. Come on, anyone without a vote or a one off, please consider deciding between the lynch leaders. Lianne and mchlle71 were tied on 8 votes each with just a few minutes left in the Day, random.org was about to decide the Day's lynch while there were 6 one-off voters and almost 20 non-voters who could have had a say.
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Post by Hal Briston on May 23, 2012 8:18:03 GMT -5
Since it seems having a fish-in-a-barrel hasn't completely stifled conversation, I'm ok with closing up shop a little ahead of time toDay.
Vote endhoot Vote End Day
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Post by supermel on May 23, 2012 9:16:44 GMT -5
I feel like I have a lot more information now to think on thru night and into next day now. I now vote vote end day early
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