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Post by annem on Jun 1, 2012 14:43:22 GMT -5
I haven't had a lot of time to read this week (working backstage at Titanic, the Musical, which opens tonight, so lots of rehearsals to go to), but I've been trying to keep up.
As I've been catching up today, I've been looking at voting either Meeko or LadyRogue. Both have been quite vocal and defensive, and the way Meeko was badgering the mod bothered me, but I don't really see much of an actual case for lynching him. The case against LadyRogue, as summed up earlier by kagemoto, seems reasonable to me, so I will
Vote: LadyRogue
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Post by guiri on Jun 1, 2012 15:24:36 GMT -5
So, here's my version of the vote count...
Unofficial Vote Count
texcat (5): Guiri[4], Meeko[46], Suits101[73], septimus[106], cassipietz[153] Meeko (5): texcat[49], septimus[54-106], mahaloth[55], patricia[128], Pleonast[157], amykb[168] LadyRogue (5): dizzymrslizzy[26], SilverJan[42], cathi[110], Pleonast[157-157], kagemoto[169], annem[210]
dizzymrslizzy (3): LadyRogue[112], wombat99[201], TotalUllz[206]
Pleonast (1): oldred[59] wombat99(1): SusanKMurphy[101] gnarlycharlie (1): Archangel[174]
Non Voters (22): gnarlycharlie, SuburbanPlankton, CatInASuit, jlrinmke, phoenixphyre, MHaye, supermel, crys, annestastic, JustBeingGinger, InnerStickler, jmj697mn, aleetha, richbeckman, allyjayne, jerelijah, mistde, HalBriston, michelehunter, Roosh, starrirain, Paranoia
That's a three way tie with just hours left in the Day. I'd prefer to see Texcat lynched and I note she hasn't posted in 3 days, since she became the lynch leader, laying low. That reminds me of richard, no comment or response to my #132? No vote?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 1, 2012 15:34:11 GMT -5
That's a three way tie with just hours left in the Day. I'd prefer to see Texcat lynched and I note she hasn't posted in 3 days, since she became the lynch leader, laying low. That reminds me of richard, no comment or response to my #132? No vote? I'd really prefer to see Meeko or LadyRogue hang, and I'm tempted to switch my vote from Meeko back to LadyRogue to see it happen. Furthermore, the cases against texcat seem extremely weak to me. But the disappearing when under pressure bothers me so I'm not inclined to save them. I'll keep my vote on who I think is most scummy. In any case, close votes like this are often very usual for discerning motives for votes.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 1, 2012 15:36:26 GMT -5
I forgot to remind that I won't be online over the weekend. Plus, I'm on-call for jury service next week, so I'm likely to be out at some point.
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Post by supermel on Jun 1, 2012 15:51:31 GMT -5
So, here's my version of the vote count... Unofficial Vote Counttexcat (5): Guiri[4], Meeko[46], Suits101[73], septimus[106], cassipietz[153] Meeko (5): texcat[49], septimus[54-106], mahaloth[55], patricia[128], Pleonast[157], amykb[168] LadyRogue (5): dizzymrslizzy[26], SilverJan[42], cathi[110], Pleonast[157-157], kagemoto[169], annem[210] dizzymrslizzy (3): LadyRogue[112], wombat99[201], TotalUllz[206] Pleonast (1): oldred[59] wombat99(1): SusanKMurphy[101] gnarlycharlie (1): Archangel[174] Non Voters (22): gnarlycharlie, SuburbanPlankton, CatInASuit, jlrinmke, phoenixphyre, MHaye, supermel, crys, annestastic, JustBeingGinger, InnerStickler, jmj697mn, aleetha, richbeckman, allyjayne, jerelijah, mistde, HalBriston, michelehunter, Roosh, starrirain, Paranoia That's a three way tie with just hours left in the Day. I'd prefer to see Texcat lynched and I note she hasn't posted in 3 days, since she became the lynch leader, laying low. That reminds me of richard, no comment or response to my #132? No vote? I also voted for ladyrogue a few posts back.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2012 15:56:02 GMT -5
From the initial setup of the game: Underlining added. The moderator told us that a "person", and not "persons", was killed. Of course, the moderator has since recanted and said that the information is not applicable to the game we're playing. But there is no indication of that in the post, so it was very reasonable to assume that moderator's instructions actually applied to this game. Wrong. 1. That is not from the initial set up of THE game. That is a standard, general "How to play mafia" rules post. It has nothing to do with this (current) game. 2. I didn't recant anything. As I've already said above and before, that is a vanilla "how to play mafia" post. It is not specific to my game. It just gives the bare bones of what it entails.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2012 15:58:37 GMT -5
After today, please leave the vote counting to me.
I know I was busy for most of this (game) Day, but that will not happen again. Only reason it happened in the first place is because I was away Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday for Memorial Day (visiting relatives)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2012 16:00:08 GMT -5
LadyRogue (6): dizzymrslizzy[26], SilverJan[42], cathi[110], Pleonast[157-157], kagemoto[169], annem[210], Supermel texcat (5): Guiri[4], Meeko[46], Suits101[73], septimus[106], cassipietz[153] Meeko (5): texcat[49], septimus[54-106], mahaloth[55], patricia[128], Pleonast[157], amykb[168]
dizzymrslizzy (3): LadyRogue[112], wombat99[201], TotalUllz[206]
Pleonast (1): oldred[59] wombat99(1): SusanKMurphy[101] gnarlycharlie (1): Archangel[174]
DAY IS OVER IN 11 HOURS (exactly)
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Post by septimus on Jun 1, 2012 16:00:41 GMT -5
I've been looking over Day 2 and see #38, in which Lianne throws a smudge at LadyRogue: Was this Scum bussing Scum as a ploy? But Lianne was almost lynched Day 2; that dizzymrslizzy was voting for lianne and that LadyRogue didn't vote at all would seem to be points in their favor. OTOH, dizzy was snuggling lianne very closely that Day until suddenly voting her. My vote against texcat is based in part on her asking our Detective why he didn't claim earlier, though she is experienced enough to know that delay was best. But perhaps her question was rhetorical, hoping for a discussion that would help other Detectivess' strategy. In short, I'm not sure any of the frontrunners are Scummy. I'm hoping texcat is Lynched and flips Scum in part to assuage my ill-formed suspicions against her accuser.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 1, 2012 16:13:15 GMT -5
1. That is not from the initial set up of THE game. That is a standard, general "How to play mafia" rules post. It has nothing to do with this (current) game. 2. I didn't recant anything. As I've already said above and before, that is a vanilla "how to play mafia" post. It is not specific to my game. It just gives the bare bones of what it entails. Well, when a moderator puts stickied threads in a forum for a game, one of which is labeled "how to play", it's reasonable to assume that it applies to the game in that forum. Especially when there's no indication that the post is about mafia in general not the specific game.
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Post by guiri on Jun 1, 2012 16:18:17 GMT -5
In short, I'm not sure any of the frontrunners are Scummy. I'm hoping texcat is Lynched and flips Scum in part to assuage my ill-formed suspicions against her accuser. I'll bite. What? You're referring to me, right? In summary, I started the game as a pfk who voted texcat D1, killed lightfoot N1, voted lianne D2, killed lianne D2, voted texcat D3 but recommended leaving endhoot for the "vig", killed wombat N3, was killed by scum N3, and is now voting texcat D4. What will Texcat's flip tell you about me?
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Post by septimus on Jun 1, 2012 16:23:11 GMT -5
What will Texcat's flip tell you about me? If she's Scum I'll be more confident you're Town. Sorry to keep insinuating you might be Scum just because you're clever. Please take it as a compliment. ;D
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 1, 2012 17:03:43 GMT -5
I really would like LadyRogue to come back and defend herself, and just open up as to her thought process here. I feel bad she's the vote leader ATM because all I was trying to do was get her to open up and share her thoughts. I have no clue if she's just being Anti-Town or postively scum. *sigh*
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Post by starrirain on Jun 1, 2012 17:30:05 GMT -5
Thoughts for toDay (ROFL I posted this hours ago, but I wasn't logged in, so please forgive if there's anything that's already been covered) 1. Congratulations JGB! 2. I wish everyone would cut Idle a lil slack, he's been excellent with keeping up til toDay and stated after toDay he will be back to normal, and he's not the only one who's been sporadic toDay, myself included. Let's have a lil faith. Sure the idea that this was a 'simple' game was slightly misleading considering we had a PFK (I didn't even know what that was til after the fact). But from what I've learned so far, it seems calling a mafia game 'simple' to begin with is a complete contradiction, I can't see how any of these games would be simple. LOL 3. Welcome back Pleo. Sorry you were under the weather and I hope you're feeling much better now. I'm finding your long posts a lil hard to keep up with, (must be the noob in me haha) though I understand why you did this and appreciate you taking the time to catch up in detail. To your first point towards me, how is it not useful to investigate a claimed power role? Right now, it is simply just that, a claim, with nothing or no one to back it up. We should all just believe anyone who makes a power role claim and never give them a second glance? Not me To your second point, not crazy nor conflating, but thanks for the attack, I will try not to take it personally. I suppose it is a nice deflection though, if you can make others believe I am crazy, then my case against you isn't much but babbling from a crazy person. I did read your posts, several times in fact before posting mine , and even said you've voted and pointed fingers, but I really still can't see anything in the way of making cases, other than your obvious contempt for Meeko. Sure you've been voting and arguing, but I find it more than strange that such an experienced player as yourself hasn't voted for or even so much as cast suspicion on any scum to this point. (as an aside, you forgot to mention your D2 vote on dizzymrslizzy, not saying this means anything as it doesn't to me, just wanted to throw it out there so it wasn't overlooked) 4. Vote Leaders Meeko ~ I don't see the case here. Meeko strikes me as town, frustrated as others have said, but I've not seen anything here that makes me think he is scum. Texcat ~ I still believe texcat is scum. I made my case against her in D3 (I still have catching up to do there as well) I read her post earlier toDay objectively (the 'one of you' being one of the masons) But that doesn't change the rest of my thoughts on her being scum. I will get back to this soon I hope. (as I get time to go back to D3) LadyRogue ~ While I don't approve of the 'tude and lack of content here, I do think they are most likely town. I understand we need people to relay their thoughts to us, but a mislynch is a mislynch no matter how much lack of content was provided, so I can't really see the benefit to lynching someone who is more than likely town because they obviously aren't getting the game. Unless it's better for the town to weed out those not providing insight? Anyone shed some light on this? dizzymrslizzy ~ I'll admit to having my doubts about her, but this was earlier in the game with not much to go on but simply defensive behaviour that seemed scummy at the time. I've since changed my mind and believe her to be Town, and I can't see a good case on her. 6. Now! Back to annem, my D3 vote. Where are you??! I posted a reply to your D3 comment, and you came back to vote end day, and have yet to resurface. (I've not yet had the time to catch up on the rest of D3 as I said, but I did check in on my vote for the Day naturally) Get yo scummy bootay back here and answer my questions, pretty please! The fact that you were quick to defend yourself at first, then only came back to end Day and didn't bother replying to me a second time really rubs me wrong. I am straight up calling you SCUM and all you do is come back and end Day, no arguments, no defense, no suspects, nothing since? So, I will call you scum AGAIN in hopes you will try to explain your actions, and because I think you are of course. Vote annem
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Post by texcat on Jun 1, 2012 17:36:11 GMT -5
In short, I'm not sure any of the frontrunners are Scummy. I'm hoping texcat is Lynched and flips Scum in part to assuage my ill-formed suspicions against her accuser. I'll bite. What? You're referring to me, right? In summary, I started the game as a pfk who voted texcat D1, killed lightfoot N1, voted lianne D2, killed lianne D2, voted texcat D3 but recommended leaving endhoot for the "vig", killed wombat N3, was killed by scum N3, and is now voting texcat D4. What will Texcat's flip tell you about me? You have been calling for my death since early on Day1, and yet you had 3 opportunities to kill me and did not do so. Why is that? I can understand Septimus2.0's concern.
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 1, 2012 17:44:39 GMT -5
While this is my first time playing this game online the game we play with cards is not like this at all. We do not have discussions but just vote on who we think is "mafia" based on guesses so I really hope I don't get lynched today seeing as I am a "townie" but if it happens. Unfortunately it will just be one more step towards a victory for the scum.
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 1, 2012 18:11:27 GMT -5
I'm lost totally here there is too many personal attacks on game play and our poor mod to make heads or tails out of some of the posts. I'm going with my initial gut on this one
vote dizzymrslizzy
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 1, 2012 18:27:08 GMT -5
So um let me see:
Wombat99, TotalUllz, and Michellehunter Care to share a reason as to your votes against me other than a "gut" reaction. I've been quite vocal in this game, surely if you think there is a case against me you could find something besides just a feeling because I'm vocal.
LadyRogue you came back.......but still you didn't say anything except that "you are town" Do you not think anything?
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Post by aleetha on Jun 1, 2012 18:37:11 GMT -5
While this is my first time playing this game online the game we play with cards is not like this at all. We do not have discussions but just vote on who we think is "mafia" based on guesses so I really hope I don't get lynched today seeing as I am a "townie" but if it happens. Unfortunately it will just be one more step towards a victory for the scum. We are in D4 already. I wonder why you keep saying that game card mafia and keep grumble about how different it is with this game. I noticed you have told us about it since D1. is it newbie scum play, just like kagemoto said? I also have read all your posts and I find what kagemoto and Silverjan said make a clear line. vote LadyRogue
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 1, 2012 18:39:39 GMT -5
While this is my first time playing this game online the game we play with cards is not like this at all. We do not have discussions but just vote on who we think is "mafia" based on guesses so I really hope I don't get lynched today seeing as I am a "townie" but if it happens. Unfortunately it will just be one more step towards a victory for the scum. We are in D4 already. I wonder why you keep saying that game card mafia and keep grumble about how different it is with this game. I noticed you have told us about it since D1. is it newbie scum play, just like kagemoto said? I also have read all your posts and I find what kagemoto and Silverjan said make a clear line. vote LadyRogueSomeone posted it in a comment today and I was just responding to it.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 1, 2012 19:08:48 GMT -5
Dusk is about 5 hours off. At this point the leading lynch candidates are Lady Rogue (6), Meeko (5) and Texcat (5). Of these three, the one I am least convinced of is Texcat. She came under early pressure for asking a question in a way that awakened suspicions, but those suspicions did not withstand even a cursory scrutiny of the circumstances. Guiri's case on Texcat makes me uneasy, not least because when he made the case he wasn't Town. I can't bring myself to trust that until we know whether Guiri's reincarnation can be trusted. The main case on Meeko seems to be his throwing of suspicion anywhere. See Hal's analysis in D04.053; although Hal doesn't think Meeko is Mafia-aligned, he still sets out the general feeling. Texcat has already voted Meeko on the grounds of Meeko's poorly justifed vote on her, and this is followed by Septimus and Mahaloth. Pleo's vote for Meeko is for hyper-defensive attitude and a failure to make positive cases. Amy agrees. The early votes on LadyRogue seems to be based on around low participation, and refusal to do what she sees as "cluttering up" the thread with repetition of things others have said. There are valid reasons for not making unnecessary posts - if all you're doing is repeating other people's points you come across as "me-too"-ing all the time. You have to strike a balance between not making unneccesary clutter and not participating at all. Cathi, in D04.110, points out that Lady Rogue will often turn up and respond when voted for. (LadyRogue made the very next post, responding to Cathi.) Kagemoto ( D04.169) says Lady Rogue has only really interacted with Dizzymrslizzy, and has used arguments that could be used against her. Supermel then voted in D04.208, quoting Kagemoto's vote post and saying "me too." annem ( D04.210) and aleetha ( D04.228) also echo Kagemoto. My impression of LadyRogue is that she has said very little, at least during the time that I've been playing the game, and what she has said has been focussed on excusing her behaviour (whether low posting or not voting) and I find myself in sympathy with what she's saying; I had a vote not count in a recent game because I posted it on the hour, and the rules said the Day ended exactly at the top of the hour. It's frustrating when it happens. At this point, I have no clear suspect (there's still too many people for me to be able to get a handle on everybody) but, of the three vote leaders, I find Meeko marginally more suspicious, primarily because of his flat dismissal of what is a good argument by Patricia in D02.577, declaring that " Think is not reason," but failing to deal with the three reasons that Patricia offers to justify her belief that Meeko is Mafiate. Vote: Meeko
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 1, 2012 19:48:11 GMT -5
Confirm the time for End of Day, please?
9 pm AZ time = 3 hours 15 min from now
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 1, 2012 20:08:19 GMT -5
This game sure got hard in Day Four. Day One was hard since there was so little to go by. But that there was so little to go by made it easier. The past two days there have been more obvious choices. But today, there is little to base a vote on despite pages of votes to look through. Guiri makes an interesting case against Texcat. I find it hard to accept that not understanding the humor in a written post is a scum tell. Some people just have trouble with that (including me). (And I find it ironic that while Guiri is using the inability to understand the joke against Texcat, he understands Susan Murphy's vote against him to be a joke ("seems to have made a joke vote") when Susan apparently meant it seriously since she never changed it). At the same time, I am not sure it is a lack of understanding humor that is at the heart of Guiri's case. I keep going over Guiri's post here: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1918&page=9#92385 because I feel like I am not fully understanding something. and Texcat's questions to Hal ("Hal, a fine job, but could you tell us why you waited until Today to announce your results? It seems you could have prevented a mislynch Yesterday?") seem odd coming from an experienced player. Meeko still raises my hackles, but I admit that "anti-town" is the word his posts bring to mind, not "scum". On the other hand, I do not feel I have the experience at this game to really be sure of the difference (beyond the obvious that scum should be lynched and anti town vanilla town is still town). Meeko, that last post of yours brings Hamlet to my mind...I do not know my Shakespeare well enough to explain that, but it does. LadyRogue seems to be around, but laying low. I'm not sure what the late vote means. If one is trying to lay low, then casting a late vote is bad strategy. I still think Pleonast is skating by with this power claim, but maybe he has been protected all along. Finally, someone made the argument that lynching low information players was better than lynching high info players since high info players would supply more info given another day, this makes sense to me (I hope I understood it!). So, I go with the low info player. I think the late vote was a mistake and unintentional, but even taking that away, the low profile of someone who seems to be around is enough for me today. Vote: LadyRogue
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2012 20:32:26 GMT -5
LadyRogue (8): dizzymrslizzy[26], SilverJan[42], cathi[110], Pleonast[157-157], kagemoto[169], annem[210], Supermel, aleetha, richardbeckman Meeko (6): texcat[49], septimus[54-106], mahaloth[55], patricia[128], Pleonast[157], amykb[168], MHaye texcat (5): Guiri[4], Meeko[46], Suits101[73], septimus[106], cassipietz[153]
dizzymrslizzy (4): LadyRogue[112], wombat99[201], TotalUllz[206], michelehunter
Pleonast (1): oldred[59] wombat99(1): SusanKMurphy[101] gnarlycharlie (1): Archangel[174] Annem (1): Starrirain
DAY IS OVER IN 2 and a half hours
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Post by Meeko on Jun 1, 2012 20:43:56 GMT -5
MHaye commented on this post, in part on a post by Patricia;
Meeko - for the last time I voted for you because I think you are scum 1. you are very worried about WHY I voted for you 2. you are very worried about me starting a BANDWAGON against you. 3. in short you are very worried about YOU - which is scum tell
I thought I defended against these.
1. Town should be worried about a Mislynch. 2. If you are already admitting to it being a bandwagon, I'm not sure I need to respond to it. 3. I can't get out of "Me" enough for this game, Mafia AT LARGE, or in the Real World. Perhaps I should start up a religion or a belief system, I could call it yoga or budhism or something. [[I'm saying that Pat is faulting me for being human. I don't see why I get any special treatment on this one.]] It MIGHT be a scum tell, but I know it's a Meeko Tell, and a Human Tell.
I was thinking about Pat earlier today. The fundamental problem here, is that it's all opinion based. It's all circumstantial, with no hard evidence. There are weasel words in it and everything. Despite what I offer, I have to wonder what the right answers are, in the realm of Defense, if those are the charges against me. I should reject each reason based on it's premise outright.
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 1, 2012 21:30:33 GMT -5
While this is my first time playing this game online the game we play with cards is not like this at all. We do not have discussions but just vote on who we think is "mafia" based on guesses so I really hope I don't get lynched today seeing as I am a "townie" but if it happens. Unfortunately it will just be one more step towards a victory for the scum. We are in D4 already. I wonder why you keep saying that game card mafia and keep grumble about how different it is with this game. I noticed you have told us about it since D1. is it newbie scum play, just like kagemoto said? I also have read all your posts and I find what kagemoto and Silverjan said make a clear line. vote LadyRogueAnd exactly what clear line did they make?
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Post by crys on Jun 1, 2012 21:32:58 GMT -5
Okay..I have been furiously reading everything up from today to try and get caught up. I worked 60+ hours this week. Kagemato made a good case on LadyRouge and so I don't miss the vote I am going to jump on that band wagon. However if this turns out to be a mislynch again I will have to re-examine who else voted with me on that one.
Vote: LadyRogue [/color]
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 1, 2012 21:35:30 GMT -5
So um let me see: Wombat99, TotalUllz, and Michellehunter Care to share a reason as to your votes against me other than a "gut" reaction. I've been quite vocal in this game, surely if you think there is a case against me you could find something besides just a feeling because I'm vocal. LadyRogue you came back.......but still you didn't say anything except that "you are town" Do you not think anything? It's not because you are vocal. Nothing wrong with being vocal. It's my gut feeling plus my reasons for voting for you on Day1 still stand - I thought that you were too interested in how scum kill; you said in your confirmation post that you had a hard time being online on weekends (presumably scum time); and you were overly defensive. Granted, it's not a lot, but I can justify voting you more than I can anyone else at this point.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 1, 2012 21:42:14 GMT -5
It's not because you are vocal. Nothing wrong with being vocal. It's my gut feeling plus my reasons for voting for you on Day1 still stand - I thought that you were too interested in how scum kill; you said in your confirmation post that you had a hard time being online on weekends (presumably scum time); and you were overly defensive. Granted, it's not a lot, but I can justify voting you more than I can anyone else at this point. Just to address this a bit. I didn't presume that weekends were scum time. I thought Day was during the actual Day and Night was during you know nighttime hours. I didn't realize that a Mafia Day lasted several physical days. And I already addressed your "interested in how scum kill" comment on D1. As a new player in a game, I like to know how things work, and If I remember correctly I was more asking about how the Doctor worked. Just general intrigue on how the game is played. It's a null tell considering I've never played before.
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 1, 2012 22:00:37 GMT -5
Okay..I have been furiously reading everything up from today to try and get caught up. I worked 60+ hours this week. Kagemato made a good case on LadyRouge and so I don't miss the vote I am going to jump on that band wagon. However if this turns out to be a mislynch again I will have to re-examine who else voted with me on that one. Vote: LadyRogue [/color] [/quote] At the rate the bandwagon dizzymrslizzy got going is moving you will be doing alot of re-examining as this day is steamrolling towards a mislynch.
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