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Post by cathi on Jun 5, 2012 19:06:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry, LadyRogue.
As for me, I'm obviously not doing a good job of finding scum; my list of people to look at is almost completely dead and/or Town. 2 of my 3 votes were for Town. I'm actually a little afraid to vote again--eurgh!
I'm wondering what people think about Colby11's apparent claim of detective during the night. I also wonder if his "random" vote isn't so random...on the chance he's a detective, I'm tempted to vote for JBG; next on my agenda is reading through JBG's posts to see if there's anything there to support a vote. Unless, Colby11, it really was random?
In the meantime, thoughts?
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Post by annetastic on Jun 5, 2012 19:06:40 GMT -5
sorry I have not been on line for last 2 weeks I have been on vacation but I am now back, I must say I agree with Patricia in post #75 about Meeko I don't have a lot of time at the moment to give my reasons except to say I did vote for him once before and have still not changed my mind so I will go with him for my vote
vote meeko
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Post by Archangel on Jun 5, 2012 20:12:27 GMT -5
I have to note that I missed Hal's post where he investigated Colby. So I'm good with Colby's claim for now.
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Post by texcat on Jun 5, 2012 20:18:43 GMT -5
starrirain My question to Hal was why he did not claim earlier. On Day2 if he had exposed scum, we would have lynched scum. My experience has been that when a detective exposes scum, we always lynch them. If they flip non-scum, then the next lynch is obviously the claimed detective. (Scum generally do not false claim like this, since it is not a very good trade for them.) This has nothing to do with whoever we eventually lynched on Day2. Whether they were scum or not, Hal could have ensured that we did lynch scum by claiming. The point was that we had a sure thing if Hal had claimed. My question to Hal was mostly theoretical, it seemed to me claiming on D2 would have been better than claiming on D3. He never answered, so if I'm detective in the next game, I will claim as soon as I find scum. What I truly do not understand is Colby. If Colby is, in fact, a detective as he claimed last Night, it makes no sense to me for him to give the scum a juicy target without giving the Town any information on his investigations.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 5, 2012 20:36:22 GMT -5
I too don't understand why Colby has disappeared after making his claim last night.
I think the Pleo/Meeko situation is just a big bowl of crazy and I can't make heads or tails out of it.
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Post by oldred on Jun 5, 2012 21:43:05 GMT -5
why, ..I havnt been and checked who if any votes they have placed ,but not seen since day 3 still and then realy only protested at septimus? puting his vote on lianne (who was scum )I found suspicious.catinasuit
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Post by oldred on Jun 5, 2012 21:46:26 GMT -5
vote Catinasuit
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Post by crys on Jun 5, 2012 22:03:53 GMT -5
Ok...after reading everything today Meeko and Pleonast please stop making me crazy! You two remind me of a couple of teenage boys showboating in front of the ladies...anyway moving on.
Quite a few interesting theories running around out there. I read through everything from today, some things twice and my head is swimming right now. There are however a couple of things that stand out to me today.
The biggest one being Pleo's detective claim. I can see Pleo's point about not wasting an investigation on someone he knows is town, however he has said he thinks Meeko is scum. Later on he says that Meeko has stated enough times what he is and he doesn't want to waste the investigation.
I see this whole scenario as Meeko calling his bluff. Pleo could easily make the point by doing the investigation, except for the fact that we really wouldn't know if he actually investigated him or not. Like many have pointed out that confirming town is a form of scum cuddling.
I keep going over what Meeko and Pleo say about and to each other. I get the impression they have played together before and that their personalities and game play styles clash. Because of this part of me wonders if they aren't scum buddies using this to their advantage especially considering that Pleonast refuses to investigate Meeko.
The largest part of me feels that the reason Pleo is not investigating Meeko is because he can't. I could be wrong. My track record proves that I have often been wrong. I'm going to sleep on this and see what develops further before making my vote, but I am re-evaluating the Meeko/Pleonast scenario this week.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 5, 2012 23:19:14 GMT -5
Vote: Pleonast
I just do not buy his surviving the four nights after claiming a power.
It is mighty convenient that the three people he "investigated" all "turned town"...not that the odds were so long, but still convenient. As long as he is verifying town, no one is going to be checking to see if he is right.
I believe he said something about claiming a power giving more wine to scum than to town. My keyboard is drenched in wine reading Pleonast's posts.
He's got all the right answers, but I suspect he has all the right answers on any side of any question in Mafia Games.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 6, 2012 0:57:39 GMT -5
I keep going over what Meeko and Pleo say about and to each other. I get the impression they have played together before and that their personalities and game play styles clash. Because of this part of me wonders if they aren't scum buddies using this to their advantage especially considering that Pleonast refuses to investigate Meeko. snipped. I disagree. I believe that one may be Scum or both may be Town, but I sincerely doubt that they'd go to this great of lengths to gnaw at one another if they're both Scum. just my two cents.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 6, 2012 1:28:23 GMT -5
meant to have this part in previous post as well: And for what it's worth, wanting a "Meeko Free Game" is way more offensive than an offhand joke comment on Pleonast. If you lock into voting me because of who I am as a Person, and not because of my role, then I will have to meet that with an OMGFU vote. snipped so, I've been leaning toward Meeko actually being Town (as opposed to my previous votes for him as Scum). BUT, the "Meeko-Free Game" part pinged me again. If Meeko is Town, he'll likely re-spawn anyway, as I believe there are still some non-players in the game. If he's Scum, however, he won't get to come back, and that goes back to one of the other cases against him - he tries VERY hard to combat each person who wonders if he's Scum... if he was Town, yes, a mis-lynch sucks, but he'd revolve right back on in anyway...
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 6, 2012 2:08:23 GMT -5
snipped bleached Frankly, I think you are scum but even if you are town after your name calling today I for one I'm ready for a Meeko free game Vote MEEKO again Something about this just pings me so until I see something that changes that vote Patricia
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 6, 2012 2:24:40 GMT -5
I too don't understand why Colby has disappeared after making his claim last night. I think the Pleo/Meeko situation is just a big bowl of crazy and I can't make heads or tails out of it. Apologies for not being around. I was busy preparing for an interview that was today. (Fir the record, I think it went good). Reading over to answer any and all questions before my bed calls me
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 6, 2012 2:37:38 GMT -5
Meeko - 2 votes (Mahaloth, patricia, Pleonast, annetastic) Texcat - 2 votes (stairrirain, guiri) Pleonast - 2 votes (Meeko, richardbeckman) JustbeingGinger - 1 vote (Colby11) CatInASuit - 1 vote (oldred) patricia - 1 vote (LadyRogue)
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Post by Archangel on Jun 6, 2012 6:13:39 GMT -5
I'm still going back and forth on this but richbeckman's post reminds me that I have never seen an "investigation" list like this that truly turned out to be a detective.
Vote Pleonast
If I'm wrong I'm sorry but you say the most important use of the detective is to confirm town. If you die and flip town then we have three more truly confirmed town. And I don't think anyone is likely to talk about much else than your claim at this point.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 6, 2012 6:20:00 GMT -5
NETA what I mean about Pleo's investigation list is not that that they all flipped town but that they all flipped town AND had little to no involvement in the major conflicts of the game.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 6, 2012 6:59:47 GMT -5
I too don't understand why Colby has disappeared after making his claim last night. I think the Pleo/Meeko situation is just a big bowl of crazy and I can't make heads or tails out of it. Apologies for not being around. I was busy preparing for an interview that was today. (Fir the record, I think it went good). Reading over to answer any and all questions before my bed calls me But you were around. You took the time to place a random (?) vote on JustBeingGinger instead of revealing your investigation results as expected. I think it is worth noting that JustBeingGinger is an experienced player (probably one who scum would like to get rid of if she is Town) and she is on vacation til the 11th and not around to defend herself.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jun 6, 2012 7:12:21 GMT -5
NETA what I mean about Pleo's investigation list is not that that they all flipped town but that they all flipped town AND had little to no involvement in the major conflicts of the game. Fair point, but I still think Meeko is on his knees just praying to slide through one more Day unlynched. He's scum and we should all be voting for him. However, my suspicion list is 1. Meeko 2. Pleo 3. Archangel
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 6, 2012 7:44:06 GMT -5
Is the only thing confirming Hal as Detective the fact that he gave us two scum? Someone please remind me...
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 6, 2012 7:51:00 GMT -5
42 players remain. We know for certain that at most there will be 3 kills. I think Pleonast might be onto something with the number of scum and the night kill in Day 4. 4 scum have been killed, and it seems that there was only 2 kills last Night. So I want to say that there are 8 scum left. About this time, I am wanting detectives to go ahead and claim tomorrow... Along with whoever I investigate... To all the new players regarding the subs- Usually subs are not brought in this late in the game. I think Chris is just shorthanded, and people who signed up for the PR contest decided to walk out. If you like this game, feel free to keep playing. Soft-claiming Detective, calling for all Detectives to claim, then neglecting to reveal your own "investigation" seems like a very clever scum ploy to me...
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Post by septimus on Jun 6, 2012 7:53:45 GMT -5
I agree that Pleonast is probably Scum. One reason is that he declined to breadcrumb Supermel's Towniness which would require just a simple "quote ... Supermel's comment seems correct" -- an innocuous comment which would be useful if/when Pleo dies and proves to be Detective. I pointed this out to Pleo. He responded that he didn't want Scum to get the benefit of such a crumb. Uhh... Scum already know Supermel is a Town, assuming it's true. And Scum already know that you're a Town Power (assuming that's true) because you told them so Night 0. I've unvoted Pleonast simply because I'm willing to let this play out for another Day or two. What's the hurry if we have other Scum to choose from? Another Day or two will give one of our Detectives a chance to Investigate Pleo (if any think he really is telling the truth after all). Meanwhile, Please ... Doctors: Do NOT waste your Protection on Pleo. All Players: Do NOT Lynch Meeko who is probably Town if Pleo is indeed Scum. So ... Do we have another Scum to Lynch? I think so. Vote: texcat I'm not 100% sure she's Scum but because of the way she was saved from the Lynch yesterDay, that voting record may prove to have very useful information if she is Scum.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 6, 2012 8:09:34 GMT -5
Vote Archangel
This is mainly because of her comments on the game being broken supposedly by Idle confirming the Masons and then forgetting that Lianne was killed at Night. I think that as scum she could quite easily have forgotten that because scum did not kill her, guiri killed her. Right now her vote is on a claimed detective, Pleo, who claimed on N0 and who has claimed early in the last couple of games I have played with him and has been truthful up to now. I know he could be lying this time but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 6, 2012 8:12:28 GMT -5
Is the only thing confirming Hal as Detective the fact that he gave us two scum? Someone please remind me... Yes. (Well, that, and my shiny detective badge, but you can't see that...)
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 6, 2012 8:55:18 GMT -5
Is the only thing confirming Hal as Detective the fact that he gave us two scum? Someone please remind me... Yes. (Well, that, and my shiny detective badge, but you can't see that...) Very shiny indeed. So shiny it blinded me temporarily.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 6, 2012 9:06:57 GMT -5
NETA what I mean about Pleo's investigation list is not that that they all flipped town but that they all flipped town AND had little to no involvement in the major conflicts of the game. Fair point, but I still think Meeko is on his knees just praying to slide through one more Day unlynched. He's scum and we should all be voting for him. However, my suspicion list is 1. Meeko 2. Pleo 3. Archangel So I'm no better than the truly innocent placed in the asylum, proclaiming why things _are_ a certain way, and all of the shrinks have a rock solid defenses against every thing I say. at the risk of smuggling Maha, I thought you got me.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 6, 2012 9:16:10 GMT -5
Mahaloth, Did you not think my ultimatum asking Pleonast to detect me tonight had any weight to it? If he agrees to investigate me, I'll unvote him. Tomorrow based on his results, we will know if he is who he says he is. There is a chance that I won't make it much long beyond that, but again, I'm near death now as it is. At least we get information on Pleonast in this way, and we could get you and others off possible multiple wrong tracks, looking at fellow town, instead of scum.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 6, 2012 9:22:09 GMT -5
Pleonast- want to reveal if you actually have a power, as you suggested on Night 0. Meanwhile, I have no clue who to vote for, so I am voting for my favorite number, 32... Vote JustbeingGingerSeriously on day 5 you have no other suspicions then to just give a random vote on a number. Maybe you figure it is a safe vote since I am not available to play that much. I am still out of town and can not post via my phone. I am using my fiancee's iPad. Catching up on day 4 and now 5...
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Post by Meeko on Jun 6, 2012 9:25:44 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Please ... Doctors: Do NOT waste your Protection on Pleo. All Players: Do NOT Lynch Meeko who is probably Town if Pleo is indeed Scum. hallelujah
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 6, 2012 9:26:35 GMT -5
Mahaloth, Did you not think my ultimatum asking Pleonast to detect me tonight had any weight to it? If he agrees to investigate me, I'll unvote him. Tomorrow based on his results, we will know if he is who he says he is. There is a chance that I won't make it much long beyond that, but again, I'm near death now as it is. At least we get information on Pleonast in this way, and we could get you and others off possible multiple wrong tracks, looking at fellow town, instead of scum. Meeko, maybe my memory is bad, but have you not posted considerable skepticism over Pleonast's Detective claim? I think it funny that you seek confirmation from a Detective you doubt. If you survive the Day and Night and Tomorrow Pleonast claims you returned Town then suddenly Pleonast is OK in your book?
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Post by Archangel on Jun 6, 2012 9:53:41 GMT -5
NETA what I mean about Pleo's investigation list is not that that they all flipped town but that they all flipped town AND had little to no involvement in the major conflicts of the game. Fair point, but I still think Meeko is on his knees just praying to slide through one more Day unlynched. He's scum and we should all be voting for him. However, my suspicion list is 1. Meeko 2. Pleo 3. Archangel Hey Mahaloth. I love you too (which is to say I'd be convinced you were scum if not for the fact you're confirmed). Please elaborate. You think Meeko, Pleo and I are all scum? Or you think depending on how each of us flips it indicates the other are scum? And why do you think I'm scum?
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