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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 7:02:19 GMT -5
Post by supermel on Jun 12, 2012 7:02:19 GMT -5
Great work Hal! Vote annem, vote end of day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 7:11:05 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jun 12, 2012 7:11:05 GMT -5
Vote annem
Vote End Day Early
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 7:57:01 GMT -5
Post by annetastic on Jun 12, 2012 7:57:01 GMT -5
Nice one on the investigating Hal vote: Annem
vote: End Day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 7:57:33 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jun 12, 2012 7:57:33 GMT -5
Vote Annem Vote End Day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 8:04:49 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jun 12, 2012 8:04:49 GMT -5
Vote annem
I won't vote for end of day until we hear from Pleonast.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 8:08:42 GMT -5
Post by cassipietz on Jun 12, 2012 8:08:42 GMT -5
vote annem
Agreed with Archangel I don't want day to end until we hear from Pleo
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 8:26:03 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 12, 2012 8:26:03 GMT -5
yes, i'm also waiting for Pleo's result.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 9:07:12 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jun 12, 2012 9:07:12 GMT -5
OK. I am the remaining Mason.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 10:16:46 GMT -5
Post by cassipietz on Jun 12, 2012 10:16:46 GMT -5
OK. I am the remaining Mason. LOL for those that didn't catch that earlier
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 11:05:44 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 11:05:44 GMT -5
Texcat is lynched. She was.... Scum This is good. Finally we lynch scum based off our reasoning. You still haven't explained why you're voting for texcat, except "she didn't make a claim". Is that the whole of your case against her? You're skimming: vote texcatfor 1) lack of a credible role claim. and 2) to prevent last-minute vote shenanigans that would result in my lynch. A forced vanilla claim is not a credible role claim. And preventing Day-end vote shenanigans to protect a Detective is a good use of a Detective's vote. Got here just in time to vote. I wasn't sure I was going to make it home from work in time to do so, but I did This whole scenario with Meeko and Pleonast stinks. I am extremely suspicious of Pleonast because of the early claim, the way they play, and they refuse to investigate someone that they say they know is scum. Investigating Meeko could gain some credibility for pleo, but since he refuses to do so I really wonder if he is even able to investigate. Vote: Pleonast A last-minute vote to bring a Detective within in one vote of the scum who's leading the count--this is the vote shenanigans I was worried about. I'm sure scum would not vote to tie me or bring me to the lead, because it'd be too obvious. But to bring to within one? That's definitely something scum would do. Furthermore, there's the false " Pleo must not be able to investigate since they don't investigate Meeko". Let's repeat again: scum can fake an investigation. If I'm lying about investigating players, it's because I'm town and not a Detective. And finally, crys seems to be very concerned about my credibility. Why? Because I'm a lynch target if my credibility is too low? My credibility doesn't matter--once I'm Night-killed, everyone will know I'm being truthful. And we'll have a nice set of confirmed town among players who're not doing much, which is much better than guessing or waiting for them to be subbed (giving a free pass to any scum among them). Oh, my updated results: N1: supemel is town. N2: dottiebob is town. Which means the new michelehunter is town, if my notes are correct. N3: - N4: jlrinmke is town. N5: jerelijah is town. So, vote crysfor 1) bringing a Detective to one vote of being lynched. 2) using logic that means the player they're voting for must be town. 3) being very concerned about a claimed Detective's credibility. Agreed on this. Pleo, I do believe I owe you an apology (if you are detective that near lynch must have been incredibly frustrating). Eh, I don't mind being lynched (I've been lynched as a power role before) as much as the terrible arguments being used to justify it. I'm going to die sooner or later anyway, and a lynch confirms my investigations just as much as a Night kill. I'd rather make the scum do it instead of wasting a lynch, though. YAY for a scum kill...now this makes me rethink Pleo as Textcat voted for Pleo last minute to tip the vote... The vote was 9 to 6 with two hours left when Texcat moved her vote. In the case where Pleonast and Texcat are both Scum, by then it was pretty clear a Scum was going down. Wouldn't it be very logical for these Scum to vote each other, hoping for Town cred? Yeah, I don't think the texcat vote means much. Scum will vote for anyone, especially when they're about to be lynched. I think the other late votes are important. I think gnarlycharlie and cathi are more likely to be town because of their votes. And I'm pretty sure crys is not. That's the bad news...the very bad news, actually. Losing a doc sucks hard-style. The good news? Investigation successful, buh bye, scum. Vote AnnemCouldn't you give us a day or two to make players develop cases? Now we'll just get a bunch of me-too-ing players and little discussion. unvote crysvote annemfor being scum. For the record, I also think crys and Meeko are scum. I was totally ready to rejoice after Day came, and now it's suddenly bittersweet. Huh? Can you explain this comment? Because it my emotions ran the opposite: sadness when the Day came from losing a Doctor and then some happiness on seeing scum exposed.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 11:14:22 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 12, 2012 11:14:22 GMT -5
Vote: End of Day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 11:27:58 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 12, 2012 11:27:58 GMT -5
with Pleo's result i now
Vote: End of Day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 11:31:09 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jun 12, 2012 11:31:09 GMT -5
I was totally ready to rejoice after Day came, and now it's suddenly bittersweet. SO glad annem finally got some much needed attention, thank you Hal! Vote annem [/color] Any thoughts on how we should proceed?[/quote] Yeah... I agree with Pleonast, this needs explanation. The start of Day means dead Townies. Starrirain, what were you ready to rejoice about?
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 12:09:18 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jun 12, 2012 12:09:18 GMT -5
Thank you Hal!
Vote: Annem Vote End Day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 12:42:07 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jun 12, 2012 12:42:07 GMT -5
Vote to end Day.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 12:48:19 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jun 12, 2012 12:48:19 GMT -5
I was totally ready to rejoice after Day came, and now it's suddenly bittersweet. Huh? Can you explain this comment? Because it my emotions ran the opposite: sadness when the Day came from losing a Doctor and then some happiness on seeing scum exposed. I was totally ready to rejoice after Day came, and now it's suddenly bittersweet. SO glad annem finally got some much needed attention, thank you Hal! Vote annem Any thoughts on how we should proceed? Yeah... I agree with Pleonast, this needs explanation. The start of Day means dead Townies. Starrirain, what were you ready to rejoice about? We lynched scum yesterDay, and I was pretty excited about that as I've been talking about texcat since D3. And now toDay another of my 3 suspects from D3 flips scum. Maybe I shouldn't have been so excited about the flip, but I was a lil proud of myself (note this is my first game, texcat was my first scum lynch, other than endhoot, whom was given to us by Hal). We found 2 scum and lost 2 power roles. Though I consider 2 scum a good find, the loss of the doctor has made me worry, and I am never happy to lose Town, hence the bittersweetness I describe. If you want to FOS me for that, that's your call, but I think most are finding this Day bittersweet, no? If you're wondering about me asking how we should proceed, well, again, I am new and was merely asking for thoughts and suggestions.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 13:18:20 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jun 12, 2012 13:18:20 GMT -5
Huh? Can you explain this comment? Because it my emotions ran the opposite: sadness when the Day came from losing a Doctor and then some happiness on seeing scum exposed. Yeah... I agree with Pleonast, this needs explanation. The start of Day means dead Townies. Starrirain, what were you ready to rejoice about? We lynched scum yesterDay, and I was pretty excited about that as I've been talking about texcat since D3. And now toDay another of my 3 suspects from D3 flips scum. Maybe I shouldn't have been so excited about the flip, but I was a lil proud of myself (note this is my first game, texcat was my first scum lynch, other than endhoot, whom was given to us by Hal). We found 2 scum and lost 2 power roles. Though I consider 2 scum a good find, the loss of the doctor has made me worry, and I am never happy to lose Town, hence the bittersweetness I describe. If you want to FOS me for that, that's your call, but I think most are finding this Day bittersweet, no? If you're wondering about me asking how we should proceed, well, again, I am new and was merely asking for thoughts and suggestions.[/quote] Ah. Rejoicing about Texcat. That makes sense, thank you.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 13:26:32 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 12, 2012 13:26:32 GMT -5
Looks like I'm a bit late to the party...
vote annem vote End Day
I'm not normally a big fan of ending Days early, but it seems unlikely we're going to accomplish much if the let this one drag out.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 14:04:00 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jun 12, 2012 14:04:00 GMT -5
Thanks Hal Great job looking at Annem As I said yesterday I was really getting a bad vibe from her and she was going to be my main target. And props to you -- it was your comments that got me to investigate her. That's good for a couple of townie points.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 15:53:07 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 12, 2012 15:53:07 GMT -5
Thanks Hal Great job looking at Annem As I said yesterday I was really getting a bad vibe from her and she was going to be my main target. And props to you -- it was your comments that got me to investigate her. That's good for a couple of townie points. High Five to Hal, I appreciate the props! I really like this game, it's a lot of fun I'm worried about ToNight. *sigh* 3 dead doctors isn't a good thing at all. Good luck all! *sings Kumbaya* I pretty much disagree with you Starrirain, how many more doctors can we possibly have. Without protection our other known Powers are in deep trouble
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 15:54:38 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 12, 2012 15:54:38 GMT -5
Looks like we're (unofficially) at 14 for EoD.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 16:01:18 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jun 12, 2012 16:01:18 GMT -5
Updated List of players alive at this point. Adding investigation information, and other information
2. Pleonast- claimed detective 3. gnarlycharlie 5. Suburban Plankton 8. CatinaSuit 9. Archangel 11. Cathi 13. jlrinmke- investigated town by Pleonast 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel- investigated town by Pleonast 21. dizzymrslizzy 22. crys 24. annetastic 25. wombat99 27. Silver Jan- mason 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 30. Septimus- claimed mason 32. JustBeingGinger 33. Total Ulla 34. Inner Stickler. 36. aleetha 37. susanmurphy 38. richbeckman 39. Patricia 40. cassipietz 41. Colby11- investigated town by Hal 42. guiri 43. jerelijah- investigated as town by Pleonast 45. mistde 47. Hal Briston- detective 48. Michelehunter- investigated town by Pleonast 50. LadyRogue 51. Starrirain 53. annem- investigated scum... Tough luck this time 56. Suits101 58. Paranoia 60. Oldred- investigated town by Hal
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 16:10:01 GMT -5
Post by cassipietz on Jun 12, 2012 16:10:01 GMT -5
vote end day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:01:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 12, 2012 17:01:02 GMT -5
Annem - 23 votes (Hal Briston, michelehunter, dizzymrslizzy, meeko, starrirain, richardbeckman, crys, patricia, cathi, gnarlycharlie, LadyRogue, Silver Jan, Septimus, Colby11, CatInASuit, Supermel, wombat99, guiri, annetastic, Archangel, Pleonast, PhoenixPhyre, Suburban Plankton)
End Day early votes: 15 of 16
PLEASE NOTE: ONE MORE VOTE TO END DAY EARLY WILL END DAY AUTOMATICALLY, WITHOUT WARNING (other than this one)
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:08:44 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 17:08:44 GMT -5
Updated List of players alive at this point. Adding investigation information, and other information 2. Pleonast- claimed detective 3. gnarlycharlie 5. Suburban Plankton 8. CatinaSuit 9. Archangel 11. Cathi 13. jlrinmke- investigated town by Pleonast 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel- investigated town by Pleonast 21. dizzymrslizzy 22. crys 24. annetastic 25. wombat99 27. Silver Jan- mason 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 30. Septimus- claimed mason 32. JustBeingGinger 33. Total Ulla 34. Inner Stickler. 36. aleetha 37. susanmurphy 38. richbeckman 39. Patricia 40. cassipietz 41. Colby11- investigated town by Hal 42. guiri 43. jerelijah- investigated as town by Pleonast 45. mistde 47. Hal Briston- detective 48. Michelehunter- investigated town by Pleonast 50. LadyRogue 51. Starrirain 53. annem- investigated scum... Tough luck this time 56. Suits101 58. Paranoia 60. Oldred- investigated town by Hal Okay, let's see how we're doing, assuming annem is scum and dead. At the end of Day Six, we'll have 36 players left. Of those, I call 10 "confirmed" (2 masons, 2 detectives, 6 investigated town). That leaves 26 "unknown" players, of which some number are scum. After each cycle, in the worst case, we lose 3 town (1 mislynch, 2 scum kills*). Let's say there's S scum left. That means there's 36-S town. After M mislynches, there'll be 36-S-3M town. We lose (plus or minus a half cycle) when 36-S-3M == S. Which means we have M == 12-(2/3)S mislynches. We're down 6 scum. The mislynch number, depending on the number of starting scum is: 18 initial scum => 12 "now" => 4 mislynches left 17 initial scum => 11 "now" => 4 2/3 mislynches left 16 initial scum => 10 "now" => 5 1/3 mislynches left 15 initial scum => 9 "now" => 6 mislynches left 14 initial scum => 8 "now" => 6 2/3 mislynches left 13 initial scum => 7 "now" => 7 1/3 mislynches left 12 initial scum => 6 "now" => 8 mislynches left Those scum are hidden among the 26 "unknown" players. Let's say there's only 6 scum now (initial 12 scum hypothesis). Then there's 20 townies in the unknown group, and the 8 mislynches in this case means we can make 8 mistakes before losing. That means we have to decide that 12 of the unknown group are town without lynching them. If there's 12 scum now (initial 18 scum), then there's 14 townies in the unknown group and we have 4 mislynches to spare. Which means we have to decide that 10 of the unknowns are town without lynching. I'm sure you're eyes are glazing over at this point so the bottom line is this: we need to start deciding who is town. I'm not hopeful we're going to get any more confirmations from us Detectives. Voting for who you think is scum is our first duty. And discussing who you think is town is our second. It's hard to trust others, and we can be wrong, but once you're dead, having a record of who you thought is scum and who is town is very important. *I don't see any evidence they have more than two kills per Night now. If they do, things are much worse than what I'm estimating here.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:15:15 GMT -5
Post by cathi on Jun 12, 2012 17:15:15 GMT -5
Since we have both Detective reports and no one seems to be interested in dragging things out any longer: Vote: end of day
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:18:49 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 17:18:49 GMT -5
OK. I am the remaining Mason. Silver Jan, can you confirm this? Not that I think septimus is lying, but there's no need to leave any uncertainty at this point.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:34:28 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 17:34:28 GMT -5
And we'll have a nice set of confirmed town among players who're not doing much, which is much better than guessing or waiting for them to be subbed (giving a free pass to any scum among them). Or you know, investigating people playing the game. YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. I would like for all of the people Pleonast investigated to offer their opinion on his investigations.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:42:59 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 17:42:59 GMT -5
For the record, I also think crys and Meeko are scum. I guess we know who you will be investigating tonight and tomorrow night.
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DAY SIX
Jun 12, 2012 17:45:22 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 17:45:22 GMT -5
And we'll have a nice set of confirmed town among players who're not doing much, which is much better than guessing or waiting for them to be subbed (giving a free pass to any scum among them). Or you know, investigating people playing the game. Ok, Meeko, so what's your plan for dealing with the players who aren't participating? Do you plan to lynch them all? Do you plan to give them all a pass (same thing as waiting for a sub)? Flip a coin? I'm doing something about them. What are you doing?
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