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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 12, 2012 18:02:51 GMT -5
Everyone pounced on Annem.
She was scum.
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It's Night again.
Scum, decide who to kill....power roles, submit your Night actions.
NIGHT WILL END ON THURSDAY AT 8PM (AZ time, which is PACIFIC time)
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 18:07:22 GMT -5
Reposting so it's not ignored. Or you know, investigating people playing the game. Ok, Meeko, so what's your plan for dealing with the players who aren't participating? Do you plan to lynch them all? Do you plan to give them all a pass (same thing as waiting for a sub)? Flip a coin? I'm doing something about them. What are you doing about them?
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Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 18:11:18 GMT -5
Pleonast: What is your plan once I end up dead, and am confirmed town, and you could have done something about it?
What does clearing the lurkers get us?
What does clearing me, an active player get us?
Town can only win games with co-operation. Once you clear me, Town will have my co-operation and will not be afraid to use it.
Once you allegedly clear a lurker, you have less than a hill of beans.
I'm of more value to town cleared, than not.
A cleared lurker remains of the same value.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 18:15:05 GMT -5
Reposting so it's not ignored. Or you know, investigating people playing the game. Ok, Meeko, so what's your plan for dealing with the players who aren't participating? Do you plan to lynch them all? Do you plan to give them all a pass (same thing as waiting for a sub)? Flip a coin? I'm doing something about them. What are you doing about them? Do you plan to lynch them all? Why do you want me to lynch town that is not playing? YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED. YOU COULD BE DOING JACK SHIT ABOUT THEM. Worse, you could be lying about them. I would be doing more, productively, than you at that point. But, I'm Vanilla. So I reject the premise of your question. Why don't you investigate me, Pleonast?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 18:17:55 GMT -5
You're not answering the question, Meeko.
How do you think we should handle the lurking players?
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Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 18:20:44 GMT -5
You're not answering the question, Meeko. How do you think we should handle the lurking players?There is nothing You or I can do about people who refuse to play the game, short of being in the same room as them, forcing them to play the game. Which is against the rules. We can not handle lurkers if we are not Mods. As you are not a Mod, do not attempt to handle lurkers. Investigate those of us that have had votes against us.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 18:22:08 GMT -5
Pleonast: Your turn for mine. Why don't you investigate me?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2012 18:34:27 GMT -5
You're not answering the question, Meeko. How do you think we should handle the lurking players?There is nothing You or I can do about people who refuse to play the game, short of being in the same room as them, forcing them to play the game. Which is against the rules. We can not handle lurkers if we are not Mods. As you are not a Mod, do not attempt to handle lurkers. Investigate those of us that have had votes against us. So we give them a pass, letting any scum among them keep killing us? That does not sound like a winning strategy. By confirming/exposing the town/scum among the lurkers, I'm giving us a way to handle them. Whenever one of them gets sub'd in, we'll have an active, confirmed player. And if I find scum, we won't be giving them a pass to kill us until some sub'd player does something that convinces us to lynch them. That's good. If a newly sub'd player haven't been confirmed, they'll be starting with a blank slate. It'll take a while for us to figure out which team they're on. That's bad. Pleonast: Your turn for mine. Why don't you investigate me? Because we already have many posts from you to judge your team. And most of the active players have formed an opinion about you. We gain little by investigating someone we already have a lot on to work with. And no matter what team your on, mislynching a player who's generated a lot of opinions will be revealing. Much more revealing than lynching someone we have nothing on.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 12, 2012 19:37:32 GMT -5
I would be subbing out lurkers, but I've run clean out of subs right now. Maybe after this next Night I'll have some who can sub back in. They'll be players who were already in the game, though.
But it's either that or face the fact that we're still going to have inactive people.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 12, 2012 20:08:34 GMT -5
I would be subbing out lurkers, but I've run clean out of subs right now. Maybe after this next Night I'll have some who can sub back in. They'll be players who were already in the game, though. But it's either that or face the fact that we're still going to have inactive people. Kagemoto and Mahaloth have had enough, eh?
For what it is worth, I am all in favor of subbing in as eligible candidates are willing.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 12, 2012 20:15:04 GMT -5
Mahaloth couldn't sub back in because he was a Mason (and would know who the remaining Masons were).
Kagemoto was busy after yesterday, so he declined.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 21:24:24 GMT -5
Because we already have many posts from you to judge your team. And most of the active players have formed an opinion about you. We gain little by investigating someone we already have a lot on to work with. And no matter what team your on, mislynching a player who's generated a lot of opinions will be revealing. Much more revealing than lynching someone we have nothing on. Because we already have many posts from you to judge your team. No. The correct answer from you here is; "Because I'm lying scum" And most of the active players have formed an opinion about you. And there is no way a self-professed Detective can make that Fact instead of opinion.
We gain little by investigating someone we already have a lot on to work with. I was not aware that you, or the group at large was at all that fluent in Meeko. Investigating me would remove doubt. And trust me, you have me wrong.
And no matter what team your on, mislynching a player who's generated a lot of opinions will be revealing. Much more revealing than lynching someone we have nothing on. And no matter what team your on, mislynching a player who's generated a lot of opinions will be revealing. So you KNOW I will be a misylnch, but you haven't investigated me. It's a good thing you speak fluent Meeko, because you are going to need to run this by him again. Otherwise, it just sounds like you are saying "Lynching a Town Meeko is for the greater good. It is more just comrade!" Further: Wouldn't be JUST as revealing with a Detective Reveal, INSTEAD of a lynch? Again, these are things a Town Detective wouldn't say.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 12, 2012 21:25:41 GMT -5
How would a Non-active [BKA Lurking] Scum kill exactly, Pleonast?
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 12, 2012 21:36:20 GMT -5
Wow that day went fast, I log and it's already over lol
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 12, 2012 22:07:09 GMT -5
If you two would stop and actually play the game town might be better off,
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 12, 2012 22:18:11 GMT -5
dang. I missed an entire Night AND Day. As I mentioned in the "away" thread, I was unavailable for the most part until today. I started reading last night when I got home and planned to finish up and weigh in "early" in the Day over the events taking place since Friday, but that totally didn't happen, as the Day is already over. I think dizzymrslizzy is probably Town. When you look at her previous posts about annem, I doubt a Scum would "bus" someone that much. I think that this Meeko-Pleo thing has got to end, though reading both of their sides keeps making me question everything else I'm reading and thinking about (particularly the varying opinions on investigating active vs. inactive players!). thank you, CatinaSuit for the updated, color-coded voting record, and Colby for the updated player list. Also, sorry, Colby, about the misunderstanding on Day 5 - I had missed that Hal announced you as Town. I'll be certain to check the list of "confirmed" players before posting suspicions from now on.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 13, 2012 1:13:31 GMT -5
I can confirm that Septimus is a Mason.
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 13, 2012 1:30:53 GMT -5
I think dizzymrslizzy is probably Town. When you look at her previous posts about annem, I doubt a Scum would "bus" someone that much. I think that this Meeko-Pleo thing has got to end, though reading both of their sides keeps making me question everything else I'm reading and thinking about (particularly the varying opinions on investigating active vs. inactive players!). thank you, CatinaSuit for the updated, color-coded voting record, and Colby for the updated player list. Also, sorry, Colby, about the misunderstanding on Day 5 - I had missed that Hal announced you as Town. I'll be certain to check the list of "confirmed" players before posting suspicions from now on. Snipped I agree about dizzylizzy most likely being town. I don't see her being scum and continuly going after Annem. I request this- Hal, investigate Meeko and Pleo can investigate anyone. Or Pleo can investigate Meeko if needed. Or both.... No worries on misunderstandings, though mistakes like that can get you lynched in other games. Make sure to read it all first before posting... Even at 2 in the morning... I say this because I have essentially gotten myself lynched because I didn't read completely before posting
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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 13, 2012 1:51:56 GMT -5
I would be subbing out lurkers, but I've run clean out of subs right now. Maybe after this next Night I'll have some who can sub back in. They'll be players who were already in the game, though. But it's either that or face the fact that we're still going to have inactive people. I am sorry all - I will do my very best to participate more in this game. Please feel free to sub me out if you have a sub that will be able to play more active than me. It's not due to lack of interest in the game - I just didn't have the time to read and follow along. I hope this will be better by the end of this week.
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Post by septimus on Jun 13, 2012 2:45:38 GMT -5
Mahaloth couldn't sub back in because he was a Mason (and would know who the remaining Masons were). I understand this is strictly true. (Self-identifications don't count in the rules.) But we have identified all the Masons. Right, Silver Jan? Please confirm me. You know how suspicious people are of me. BTW, I herewith confirm that Silver Jan is also a Mason.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 13, 2012 3:18:58 GMT -5
Yes, well, now Mahaloth is spoiled, so it's too late. ;D
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Post by septimus on Jun 13, 2012 3:31:47 GMT -5
Yes, well, now Mahaloth is spoiled, so it's too late. ;D And now it sounds like you are confirming me as Mason. (So, nevermind, Silver Jan. )
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Post by Mahaloth on Jun 13, 2012 7:13:32 GMT -5
Kagemoto and Mahaloth have had enough, eh?
Huh? I was willing. I was having a blast.
I'm spoiled now, though, so I definitely can't.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 13, 2012 8:38:50 GMT -5
Yes, well, now Mahaloth is spoiled, so it's too late. ;D And now it sounds like you are confirming me as Mason. (So, nevermind, Silver Jan. ) Septimus, Silver Jan Confirmed you before you asked her to. In post 16. So no worries Idle didn't confirm you
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Post by crys on Jun 13, 2012 8:49:29 GMT -5
Ok since pleonast hasn't been over to the other thread I'm coming here.
I'm going to call you out on this pleo. Investgate me. I don't believe you are a town detective. I think you are scum trying to hide in the flock. Time for you to earn some credibility
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 13, 2012 8:50:55 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts for tonight:
On my look into list: Patricia - She seems way too focused on Meeko when there have been good cases built on other players. She's just always hyper focused on Meeko voting for him 4 out of 6 days. She had one vote with the town on Annem, and then one vote on Wombat, again when we had a perfect lynch on Endhoot.
Amykb is another one who I'd like a little more from. On the Days that she's here she's also been hyper focused on Meeko. For both of these ladies if Meeko flips scum then good for them going on his trail, but I don't get a Scum vibe from Meeko.
On my "I'm confident you are town list" GnarlyCharlie- Gnarly has only voted 4 Days, but all 4 votes are against Scum. I doubt someone would bus that many of their teammates.
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Post by supermel on Jun 13, 2012 9:04:09 GMT -5
great feedback dizzymrslizzy
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 13, 2012 11:36:12 GMT -5
If you two would stop and actually play the game town might be better off, You know, let's take a look at that. My last 10 posts before Night Six: D6.59: question to Meeko. D6.56: asking Silver Jan to confirm septimus. D6.54: analysis of game-state. D6.39: omnibus response to posts from Suburban, crys (including voting for them), Archangel, septimus, Hal and starrirain. D5.225: response to texcat about their claim. D5.223: response to Suburban about texcat's claim. D5.213: response to Suburban about my vote on texcat. D5.204: response to kagemoto about my investigations and a vote switch to texcat. D5.175: response to wombat about their suspicion of Hal and vote on colby. D5.169: omnibus response to Archangel, Meeko, cassipietz, kagemoto, CatInASuit and richbeckman. Now let's look at Meeko's last 10 posts before ToNight. D6.58: response to Pleo. D6.57: response to Pleo. D6.14: response to dizzy about a "certain player". D6.9: response to dizzy about "Detectives". D6.7: voting for annem because "some people" think they won't. D5.237: response to texcat about Pleo. D5.189: response to Pleo. D5.186: response to richbeckman. D5.185: response to Pleo. D5.183: response to Pleo. Now, you be the judge about how well either of us are playing.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 13, 2012 11:44:10 GMT -5
I request this- Hal, investigate Meeko and Pleo can investigate anyone. Or Pleo can investigate Meeko if needed. Or both.... The problem is I'll be surprised either of us survive the Night. (Which is why I'm violating my rule of thumb about not posting at Night.) So the rest of you will have to deal with Meeko yourselves. I'm going to call you out on this pleo. Investgate me. I don't believe you are a town detective. I think you are scum trying to hide in the flock. Time for you to earn some credibility Are you claiming to be scum? Aren't you one of those players who thinks Detectives can only earn credibility by exposing scum?
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 13, 2012 12:16:49 GMT -5
The problem is I'll be surprised either of us survive the Night. Depends -- you're likely safe (assuming you're town), since there's enough suspicion around you for scum to keep you alive. But if there's no more docs, then I'm as good as gone. Actually, if there's no more docs, then there's really nothing stopping scum from offing both of us. Which leads me to think there are more docs left. If we've lost our final protector, then either there are very, very few scum left or this game is very unbalanced. With the number of kills scum get, the town needs docs to keep things on the level. Otherwise, the sheer number of kills each side gets each day leaves town up a creek.
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