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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 15, 2012 16:10:13 GMT -5
Two kills. Go
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Post by cathi on Jun 15, 2012 19:26:14 GMT -5
Suck it! That did not go as well as it could have.
Okay, back to N4 Vote: Oldred.
And Vote: SilverJan.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's worth trying for Hal again until we get another Doctor. Thoughts?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 15, 2012 19:27:54 GMT -5
Silver Jan 1 Oldred 1
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 15, 2012 20:05:03 GMT -5
Well, we have a problem. There is still a Doctor. It seems reasonable that the Doctor would continue to protect Hal, the last remaining Detective.
Unless the Doctor figures we would figure that and protects someone else....
If I'm the Doctor, I'm continuing to protect Hal.
So I think we kill a couple of people that might be the Doctor.
We know SilverJan is a Mason and Idle has stated that no one holds two roles simultaneously, so we know that SilverJan is NOT a Doctor.
Since this situation means there were four Doctors to begin with. Yet we were able to kill all three targets the first two nights. Two out of three targets the third night and two out of three targets, including a Doctor the next two nights...
I think the remaining Doctor is either a new player or a player that was not participating and has been subbed for.
Guiri, Colby11, wombat99, JustBeingGinger, Suits101, LadyRogue, and MichelleHunter are all players who have subbed in.
I'm not ready to vote yet.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 15, 2012 22:28:12 GMT -5
[navy] Result #22 on May 8, 2012, 3:40pm annetastic [/navy]wrote:
This seems like the kind of post that has revealed other roles....
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 15, 2012 23:03:01 GMT -5
I don't see any reason why Hal should lie at this point, he already gave us one confirmed scum and he did give Michele a choice of who to kill. Well done Hal.
Scum do seem to be picking up on Town Power roles, don't they. I wasn't sure of Lianne until she posted at Night, even then I wasn't totally sure but I felt something was off with that. It will be interesting to see if there are any scum on the Michelle71 wagon, especially those votes at the end when players were trying to save Lianne. Yep, there is still a lot to think about.Well on that note I have read through 10 pages of this day (whew!), the vote for today now seems rather obvious to me. Not so obvious is why this happened: Guys, Silver Jan is a mason.
I know because I'm one, too. only because did not think the object of the game was to be fish in a barrel jumping up and saying "shoot me shoot me" but maybe I am wrong. <snip> That last sentence is kind of knowing for someone who claimed on Day One to be clueless. I would guess having a power forces learning and understanding quicker than not.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 15, 2012 23:40:58 GMT -5
Consecutive posts from phoenixphyre on Day Seven(!): could I also ask how the whole Doctor thing works? does the doctor know who is being attacked, get a list of possible targets, or do they just submit a name? But the fact that she waited until Day Seven for such a post lends a lot of credibility to the posts.
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Post by cathi on Jun 16, 2012 0:17:55 GMT -5
If having a power forces learning, then Dizzy should be on our radar. She jumped right in and has been playing hard from the start, and seems to have a great grasp on the game for a newbie.
I like Rich's observation that SilverJan canNOT be a Doctor; are you suggesting we not kill her in order to increase our chances of finding a Doc?
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Post by cathi on Jun 16, 2012 0:23:46 GMT -5
Hal was protected N5 & N6. To me, this says there is a Doctor firmly in Hal's camp who is re-protecting him. So--is this person experienced and knows Hal is the most important Townie around right now? Or is this person new and doesn't know who else to protect?
I remember someone saying the Detectives would be Town's most valuable assest...going to go look for who said that.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 16, 2012 0:26:49 GMT -5
Guiri, Colby11, wombat99, JustBeingGinger, Suits101, LadyRogue, and MichelleHunter are all players who have subbed in. snipped. we need Hal dead. in order to do that, we need to kill the remaining Doctor. I agree that we don't bother with anyone who can't be a doctor (like Hal or SilverJan) until we wipe out the Doctor. With those two being the only other Powers claimed, it might be difficult, as we don't want to wipe out too many of the unknowns, which will make it more difficult for us to hide. I think oldred might be worth a vote, though it was almost self-sacrificing when he made that Doctor comment. the new MicheleHunter doesn't seem like a Doctor to me, but I didn't get any vibes from Kagemoto, either. I could see LadyRogue being a Doctor, though there's not much to go on. I don't see anything to suspect wombat of, either. I lean toward a new person being the remaining Doctor, but don't know where to start going through those...
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 0:33:23 GMT -5
<snip> I think oldred might be worth a vote, though it was almost self-sacrificing when he made that Doctor comment. <snip> When did oldred make a Doctor comment?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 0:42:10 GMT -5
If having a power forces learning, then Dizzy should be on our radar. She jumped right in and has been playing hard from the start, and seems to have a great grasp on the game for a newbie. I like Rich's observation that SilverJan canNOT be a Doctor; are you suggesting we not kill her in order to increase our chances of finding a Doc? Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. We must kill Hal soon, and we almost certainly need to kill the Doctor first. I had not yet looked at dizzymrslizzy, but everyone should be looked at.
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Post by cathi on Jun 16, 2012 1:06:30 GMT -5
I did a quick skim for the quote I was looking for and didn't see it right off. A few things did ping me and warrant further research, but I'm tired and going to bed. If anyone (Rich, you seem to like research!) sees something worth digging and wants to work on it, here's who/what I saw.
1. Starrirain v.2 (D03.179 & 180) She FULLY believes Hal and jumps on annem's Doctor remark. 2. Paranoia (D03.174) quote: "I seriously doubt Hal won't be protected tonight" 3. Wombat99 v2 (D04.156 & 159) She's looking for another Detective to claim & seems to have some confusion/knowledge of protectees...and when Rich notices says, "Never mind"
And btw, I voted for Oldred because of his/her D01.156 reference to self as a "lowly Townie" AND she's Hal-confirmed Town: two-fer!
I'm sure I'll be dreaming Mafia tonight. See you in the morning!
When does Night end, please?
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 16, 2012 8:16:11 GMT -5
<snip> I think oldred might be worth a vote, though it was almost self-sacrificing when he made that Doctor comment. <snip> When did oldred make a Doctor comment? here: hmmm,I will chip in again ... I would actualy like it if Hal could investigate pleo .I had doubts on him earlier and still do with his list of `confirmed`players ,because I have been suspicious of some of them also ,yet they according to pleo all come out as town ? Im still unsure also of archangel . lucky scum dont know who else could be a town doctor
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 10:40:36 GMT -5
Night ends Sunday at 5 pm, Arizona time.
If you Google "What time is it in arizona" the first result will be the current Arizona time.
Oldred's comment is interesting. How would she even know there still was a living Doctor? The most recent result had been two night kills by scum including a Doctor. Even if one assumes that scum had three kills, the dying Doctor's protection would still have worked that night.
On the other hand, if Oldred is the Doctor, why on earth would she make such a statement? It is insane.
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Post by cathi on Jun 16, 2012 11:32:02 GMT -5
@amy, thanks for finding the Oldred/Doctor quote.
For me, one vote is staying firmly on Oldred. In the absence of other firm-ish suspects, I will Unvote: SilverJan and Vote: Colby11. Although I'm kinda leaning toward Paranoia atm, and Starrirain is moving down on my list as I continue to read.
@rich, thank you for the time of Night end.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 13:05:29 GMT -5
Between the
"lucky scum dont know who else could be a town doctor"
and the
"hehehe unlike me a lowly townie"
comments, I agree that Oldred is as good a target as any.
Vote: Oldred
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 13:24:50 GMT -5
I do not know how trustworthy the "last log in Date" is* on the user profiles but Paranoia has not logged in since June 10.
Night Six ran from the 12th to the 14th, so it would have been difficult for Paranoia to protect someone that Night.
I would argue that we should not kill Paranoia Tonight.
*mine updates every time I load a page!
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 14:23:17 GMT -5
Colby11 was given his current role at the beginning of Night Four. During Night Four he posted: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1950&page=1#94707He later claimed that he was just trying to draw Scum fire away from other Town who might have a power role, which is kind of what it looked like at the time, but...... If his new role was a Doctor and he did not have time to go back through and consider who to protect, then this would be a quick way to use his power: protect himself and try and draw the fire.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 14:27:12 GMT -5
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 16, 2012 14:42:42 GMT -5
Night ends tomorrow at 5pm
Oldred 2 Colby11 1
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 16, 2012 15:43:09 GMT -5
I can't guarantee I'll be back before the end of Night (my HS Reunion is tonight and with Father's Day being tomorrow in the US, it's a busy day), so I'll vote now.
Vote Oldred, just in case those comments did mean something.
I'm good with Colby, as he's confirmed Town and all, might as well try for him, I doubt he's protected.
Vote Colby
no hard feelings if you guys decide to all to other people. With only 3 active Scum, I'm not sure how things are going to go anymore.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 22:08:22 GMT -5
I've reviewed all of Starrirain's post since she received her second identity. I do not see any thing there to make me think she is a Doctor.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 22:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 23:12:25 GMT -5
I also do not see anything in Wombat99's posts to indicate Doctor.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 16, 2012 23:16:12 GMT -5
Vote: Oldred Vote: Colby11
I'm voting now just in case I can't get around to a vote tomorrow.
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Post by cathi on Jun 17, 2012 1:03:02 GMT -5
Rich, I'm an idiot (again). The Day#s are correct, but when I looked again I found that the post numbers refer to the number they popped up in my search, not on the Day. Seriously, there are WAY too many details, I can't keep track. I feel grateful that I'm able to make all these mistakes in the safety of Scumville, since I would surely be lynched in Town. Thank you ALL for your patience!
Looks like it will be Oldred & Colby11, so I'll probably let things go as they are since activity will be slim to none tomorrow. I'll try to check in just in case there are any earth-shattering developments.
Happy Father's Day!
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 17, 2012 16:01:54 GMT -5
general question that may have been answered before... when a Detective "investigates" someone, and the result is Doctor, do they know who is a Doctor, or do they just know that the person it Town? I understand why it would be the Detective's prerogative to only disclose that he knows they're Town, but does/can he know more than that?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 17, 2012 16:51:14 GMT -5
general question that may have been answered before... when a Detective "investigates" someone, and the result is Doctor, do they know who is a Doctor, or do they just know that the person it Town? I understand why it would be the Detective's prerogative to only disclose that he knows they're Town, but does/can he know more than that? My understanding is that a Detective only learns Town or Scum and nothing else. Idle, does a Detective learn more than just Town or Scum, like info about power roles?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 17, 2012 18:32:07 GMT -5
Nah, they just get told town or scum.
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